Also mental health services.

>>43288971
true but i would say primarily the sex

>>43288969
I was basically asexual as a repper

Why would on transition just because they were Virgins? Besides those who do it explicitly for that reason.

>>43288969
do you think there are trannies not like this?

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>>43288969
st4t it is then

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hi chuddy! here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.

>>43288969
i agree. especially for egg types and reddithons
if you aren't sure if you're trutrans then wanting to kill yourself during and after a sexual experience means you might be one of the small minority of people who actually wants to be female
having sex for the first time is the thing that made me decide i had to stop repping because it was genuinely so terrible to "be the man" during sex

>>43289064
>>43288987
>>43288969
sex isn't really necessary here. if you masturbate your penis, you are not a woman. simple as

>>43288969
Correct. If I'd succeeded in finding a boyfriend as a man, then I wouldn't have needed to become a woman.

>>43289071
>if you masturbate your penis, you are not a woman
this is your brain on agp

>>43289095
let's poll the hons and passoids individually, ask them how much they like to touch their male genitals. the results may shock you!

>>43289121
the ones who hate(d) touching their dicks are the body dysphoric agps, some of whom are hons and the rest of whom believe themselves passoids because they don't know what women look like

>>43289095
>>43289151
how is it a sexual thing to not engage in a sexual act? a lot of trans people want to be seen as cis women in their day to day lives, not just to have sex

>>43289197
Nonparaphilic, mentally healthy humans enjoy masturbating regardless of what parts they have.

>>43289071
How else was I supposed to do it before I learned about anal? I always felt dysphoric about it but got addicted. Almost boiled my dick to stop myself.

>>43289121
John 50 jerked off up to 5 times a day as a coping mechanism for her paralyzing gender dysphoria, you know.

>>43289216
truetrans. it's not about whether you have done it at all, it's about how you feel about having a penis
>>43289218
john50 is a man

>>43289335
I was okay with having a penis. I only got it turned inside out because my boyfriend didn't like it.

>>43289216
Wdym learn about anal? Did you not have the urge beforehand? Instead of using your dick directly, rubbing against things is pretty common.

>>43289071
You realize that women also masturbate, right?

>>43289377
Rubbing it is using your dick either way. I usually prone masturbates where I rubbed it on my hands or bed to get the quickest release before I started to feel awful about it.
>>43289335
Always hated my rape organ. Need to save up for ffs first but srs is the next most pressing surgery.

>>43289355
Based boyfriend. He wants a proper woman and proper women don't have penises.

>>43289664
>penis
>rape organ
So, how many people have you raped with it?

>>43289673
None. Just because it's there designed to rape doesn't mean I'm gonna please it's hideous demands. Only reason I'm glad I didn't boil the fucking thing is because I can turn it into a neo vag. Even if it's not a real vag at least the penis died suffering.

>>43289680
>penis is designed to rape
Yeah, you are retarded. Please boil your penis.

>>43289696
The average man gets a boner when they see a woman's skin, doesn't matter if they're married already and they're not attracted to the woman in the slightest, the penis wants to rape and thunks entirely independently to the brain. Thank God estrogen made my dick flaccid (although I do get horny thinking about men and masculine lesbians).

>>43289713
I hope this isn't true, the thought of this freaks me out, no way this is normal

>>43289713
If you were getting a boner looking at random women, something is definitely wrong with you.
Normal men don't have this.
The only exception would be puberty. Teenagers can get horny as fuck.
It's not the same for adults.

>>43289720
Either they base it off their personal experience as a teenager going through puberty or some retarded propaganda.

>>43289720
I thought I was insane or had too much t, but I look online and nooo, it's apperantly "normal for teenage boys" and "signs of a healthy puberty". My dad even said men will lust after any women dressing scantily. I didn't even want to have sex with or marry a woman and my fantasies were with me as a wife or girlfriend, but my penis thought differently.

>>43289726
I mean I got on estrogen right as puberty was ending (18) but puberty doesn't justify the penis acting like a rape machine.

>>43289736
you need to kill yourself

>>43289741
I had a problem and dealt with it. I wish others would do the same.

>>43288969
I think ftms have been raped too much so you are incorrect

>>43289736
First of all, sexual attraction isn't rape.
Second, how else do you thing animals (and we are animals) decide to fuck? Sexual attraction is normal, especially during puberty. You just fucking control yourself. Eventually it stops being a problem.

>>43289748
"My legs were tired from walking, so instead of letting them rest I cut them off".
I sincerely hope you're ragebaiting me. I refuse to believe that I'm talking to someone so infuriatingly retarded.

>>43289764
There's a difference between being attracted to someone sexually or romantically, and your penis getting a boner when you arent romantically or sexually attracted to any woman.

>>43289778
A penis isn't a necessary organ to someone who doesn't want to be a father. It may be as necessary as a leg to you, it's as necessary as a pimple to me.

>>43288969
Getting laid makes me sad.

>>43289785
The penis doesn't have a mind of its own. It responds to sexual attraction. You can't get a boner without being sexually attracted.
A brain of a teenage boy going through puberty is flooded with testosterone. Some people have less, so it doesn't affect them as much. Some have a lot, and it's making them want to fuck everything that moves. It's normal. You grow out of it.

>>43289788
I should have known that you wouldn't get a basic metaphor.

Who would have known that I'll be explaining basic biology to a grown adult.

>>43289820
I would get a boner despite not wanting to have sex with a woman. Saying "the penis had a mind of its own" was a hyperbole, but that was a fundamental disconnect between my sexual attraction and my boners. I did not want to fuck everything that moves but my testosterone turned on my boner every other minute. It was only after estrogen when my body and sexual attraction became alinged.

>>43289824
I understood your metaphor, your metaphor was just completely misunderstanding my situation.

>>43289858
I can't understand it for you. Puberty is literally your body screaming "OKAY I'M READY TO PROCREATE".
It sounds like you were on the upper end of the testosterone spectrum. Probably estrogen balanced it out, but realistically you should have just had sex instead of being a lonely loser.

>>43289862
No, I understood it quite well.
I'm just saying that it would have passed if you waited longer and/or had sex.

>>43289882
But I didn't want to have sex with anyone then because I hated having sex as a man.
>>43289896
How is waiting for testosterone to do more rape improving my odds of passing? Or increasing my test levels after sex? Chuds are braindead.

>>43289917
pass /păs/
intransitive verb
To move on or ahead; proceed.
"The train passed through fields of wheat."

You're retarded. I'm saying that if you waited and/or had sex, your uncontrollable boners would pass. Meaning that they would stop.

It has nothing to do with your retarded notion of "passing" as a real woman.

you're right, a lot of "gender dysphoria" is just sexual repression

>>43289946
We're more or less cooked as a society.
The only tangible goal in an animal's life is to procreate. That's how you propagate your genes into the next generation, which is how we got here in the first place.
Humans are currently so far removed from this simple idea that a group of mentally ill ones is trying to convince the rest that procreation isn't necessary.

>>43289929
Even if the boners subsided, the receding hairline and body hair, the coarse skin and hair, that would have stayed the same if I hadn't been on estrogen. Can't do shit about the bones without thousands of dollars but you'll take what you can get.

>>43290026
That's a separate discussion.
You called a penis a rape organ. I explained why it's not accurate. You explained where you were coming from. I understood you. You understood me.

The fact that you hate your body is a mental health issue. Seek therapy and do better.
Good luck.

>>43290062
Have you seen the prices for therapy?

>>43290090
I have, unfortunately.
I have also experienced what it's like to look for a decent therapist while your mental health is falling apart.

In your case it's even worse, because many therapists will just affirm your delusions since that creates an appearance of progress without addressing an actual problem.

As I already said in a couple of threads there today, I sincerely feel sorry for you people. You have mountains of mental health issues and end up reinforcing each others delusions as a coping mechanism.

>>43290123
I mean, I don't think I'll be able to become a woman, but I can take estrogen to feel better. If you think that's a delusion I don't care, I'm objectively happier with e than t.

>>43290193
Good for you then.
Do whatever makes you happy. It's your body.

The biggest reason so many people are sick and tired of the trans movement is how obnoxious many of you are, as in:
- Invading female-only spaces
- Competing in female sports
- Teaching children about things they really shouldn't be thinking about this early

One is a safety issue, another is unfair advantage, and the last one is bad for the psychological development.

>>43288969
what if you got laid by a woman when u were a man and u still had to transition

>>43289614
Women stroke their penises?

>>43290226
-if a trans woman looks and is treated like a woman, what's wrong with them going into a female only space like a bathroom. Theyre likely to get harrased in the male one. I'll probably never look better than a twinkhon unless I get enough money for ffs so I won't go into female spaces, but nothing wrong with passoids doing that.
- I wish I had been told about injecting estrogen at 10 or 12. I always hated it's effects on my body even then. It's fine for people to learn about transitioning around the age they learn about reproductive biology anyways.

>>43290275
mmm women stroking their penises

>>43290276
Some radical leftists say that a trans woman doesn't even need to look like a woman, which is absolutely retarded.
Even if you go the "passoid" route, it is very subjective and you can't really define criteria for "passing" without either excluding the vast majority of trans people or allowing literal men into spaces where women are supposed to feel safe. Even if you manage to define criteria, how is it going to be enforced? You can't really put a bunch of facial recognition cameras and allow people into spaces based on that for obvious reasons.

We don't let people drive until 16, have sex until 18, drink until 21. Letting children transition at 10-12 is ridiculous.
Putting a shiny new idea of gender identity in a child's impressionable head will result in a bunch of false positives.
10-12 is when a child starts going through "phases" and questioning everything. You can't have a bunch of rebellious teens start fucking up their bodies only to realize it was only a phase a year later.

>>43290226
nta
>Invading female-only spaces
Women have been invading male-only spaces for a century. It's about time the reverse happens as well.
Even nude gay men's resorts aren't safe from women's harassment. In case you think I'm joking: https://www.metroweekly.com/2023/07/florida-gay-nude-resort-cant-ban-women-judge-rules/
Why exactly are women entitled to XX-only spaces when XYs are not?
>Letting children transition at 10-12 is ridiculous
Letting children drive at 16 is far more ridiculous and exponentially more dangerous for everyone else too.

>>43290332
I would say if they've been on estrogen for over 2 years and have no record of harassment theres a very unlikely possibility they will harm anyone. Besides cis women look ugly too.

Puberty is an irreversible change, and if you applied the "no drinking or sex rule" we should put all kids on puberty blockers. Puberty blockers for questioning kids prevents irreversible changes and allow kids time to mature and decide what puberty they want.

>>43290368
>women invading male spaces
Shouldn't be allowed, just like many other female behaviors that would be considered fucked up if sexes were reversed.

>driving at 16 is dangerous
Sure, but this is a topic for a separate debate. It isn't relevant to the problem of teenagers fucking up their bodies with hormones.

>>43290378
Okay, let me rephrase the last part of my argument.
Who is going to ensure that a trans person walking into a public bathroom has been on HRT for a long enough and doesn't have a record?
The vast majority of trans women that I see look very much male to me. How would a woman know that a man-looking person walking into her space can be there?
The only real solution would be adding the third bathroom to every public space that can be used by trans and non-binary people. That's a whole other can of worms, obviously.

Giving everyone who is "uncertain" puberty blockers would fuck up the natural development of a good chunk of teens. It also doesn't prevent kids from being ABSOLUTELY SURE they want to transition right away, which they would probably regret in the future.
I'm also pretty sure taking puberty blockers isn't as harmless as pressing pause. I haven't looked into that, but there are probably side effects. Multiple large studies on long term effects would need to be happen.
Also, our birth rates are low enough already. It would really be unwise to fuck with puberty in the observable future.

>>43290406
>Shouldn't be allowed
But it is. And nobody cares. In fact you're a "misogynist" if you dare to point it out.
And the law agrees. Judges ALWAYS rule against men-only spaces without exception.
So why exactly should we care about women-only spaces? In 2026, single sex spaces are simply illegitimate. And it's about time women-only spaces get treated with the exact same contempt as men-only spaces have been treated for 50+ years.
Idgaf about philosophy. I care about what is.
>Sure, but this is a topic for a separate debate
No, it's not. It's the exact same debate.
We allow 16 year olds not only to risk death themselves but to also risk killing and harming innocent others by driving. And nobody sees a problem with that.
But boo hoo, suddenly it's a problem a 16 year old might take some hormones for a year and then ends up not liking it.
Zero people died from HRT. Non-zero people died from 16 year olds driving.

>>43290481
Who is going to ensure a man isn't doing that for that matter? Realistically these are social norms and the law is only enforced if another crime has happened. You don't have cops outside of every bathroom.

>>43290481
nta
>Also, our birth rates are low enough already
At least 132 million babies were born in 2025. We're fine, seriously.
>It would really be unwise to fuck with puberty in the observable future
A lot less unwise than letting them drive, eat hamburgers, consume energy drinks, stay on social media, draft them into the military or drugging them up with SSRIs.
Btw, one year of SSRIs on a teenager is far FAR worse than 5 years on hrt.

>>43290482
Abolishing gendered spaces would add a bunch of harassment and assault to the pile of shitty crime we can't deal with.
Judges would still favor women in these cases.
Sexes do need to be separated in places of, let's say, vulnerability.

HRT at 16 isn't nearly as bad as 10-12.

Most people don't get laid until their late teens and by then its too late

>>43289820
>You grow out of it.
I got exponentially hornier by the time I turned 25, couldn't handle it (and other stuffz), so I transed. Now I'm 27 and detransing weeeeeeeeeeeeee

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>>43288969
nigga I ALREADY got laid with a cute guy as a fem gay before trooning out, that didn't help at all and now I'm here, trooning is rarely related to sexual dissatisfaction, it's mainly popular as twinkdeath prevention/reversion

>>43290496
If a man walks into a female-only space, the natural reaction would be to kick him out or at the very least scream for help.
If you, as a woman, see a man invading your space, you know you aren't safe.
Introducing trans women into the equation changes "Man-looking thing must not be in my space" into "Man looking thing might be in my space if they've been on HRT. So, do I ask? What if they get offended. They are easily offended. What if it's not a trans woman but a pervert in a wig? Can I feel safe or should I watch my back?".

>>43290498
The births to deaths ratio has been getting worse for the past two decades. We're really not doing well.

>look at how many bad things we're doing to kids
>that means this other bad thing isn completely fine
Were there studies on SSRIs vs HRT or are you pulling it out of your ass?

>>43290514
>Abolishing gendered spaces would add a bunch of harassment and assault to the pile of shitty crime we can't deal with
That's a lie and you know it.
De facto most gendered spaces have been abolished decades ago and civilization hasn't collapsed.
>Judges would still favor women in these cases.
Yes. Which is why I hold zero empathy for women/afabs as a rule. They deserve less than nothing given how gynocentric this so-called civilization already is.
>Sexes do need to be separated in places of, let's say, vulnerability
Why? Because women say so? Why should anyone give a fuck?
Anon, we are in a world where women sued and won the "right" to be in men's locker room. And that was half a century ago - https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-409-kavanaugh-and-rape-reporting-getting-gritty-women-in-sports-journalism-saving-haida-and-more-1.4839202/40-years-after-winning-the-right-to-report-from-men-s-locker-rooms-melissa-ludtke-still-sees-work-to-be-done-1.4839285
Men's vulnerability is already irrelevant. Why shouldn't women's be rendered the same? I propose that it should. Women's feelings must be deemed what they are: whims and irrelevant nonsense that should be routinely stomped.
>HRT at 16 isn't nearly as bad as 10-12
Glad we can at least agree with that.
Still, we give SSRIs to 12 year olds en masse which is, again, far worse than HRT.

>>43290564
>The births to deaths ratio has been getting worse for the past two decades
Yes, because we've been having way too many children in the past. We're finally balancing things out and that's amazing.
>Were there studies on SSRIs vs HRT or are you pulling it out of your ass?
It's part of the official warning, anon.
>Cases of persistent sexual dysfunction have also been reported globally. One study of SSRIs, SNRIs, finasteride and isotretinoin identified 300 case reports. The majority were associated with SSRIs and SNRIs (218 of 300 cases) with escitalopram, citalopram, paroxetine, sertraline, and fluoxetine accounting for 62% (186 out of 300 cases). Patient ages ranged from 15 years to 66 years with most patients being male (170 males vs 49 females). Duration of treatment ranged from a single dose to more than 16 years. In many cases, sexual dysfunction only presented or became worse when treatment was stopped.
https://www.tga.gov.au/news/safety-updates/updated-warnings-about-persistent-sexual-dysfunction-antidepressants
That's far worse than several years on hrt. Sexual function resumes in under a year when stopping.

>>43290583
I do see where you're coming from on gendered spaces. This would also technically solve the problem with trans people in bathrooms.
The biggest issue is that we'd have to overhaul a lot more than public spaces in order to achieve anything resembling equality.

>whims and irrelevant nonsense
A good chunk of leftist politics is built on whims and nonsense in order to protect feelings.
If we're stomping feelings and whims, minorities like trans people would probably be among the first on the chopping block.

>>43290594
We're have more people dying each year, meaning that the population is aging, meaning that eventually we will run into issues paying social security from existing workforce's taxes. That wouldn't be an issue if we dialed down military spending, but if there is ever a choice between social security and Israel, you know what they're picking.

I know that SSRIs are fucking evil. I don't see how these effects compare to HRT.
What I can say for sure is that we should stop feeding antidepressants to children.

>>43290275
You realize that clit it just a small dick? I've jerked off all my life by rubbing it semi-hard

>>43290644
>meaning that eventually we will run into issues paying social security from existing workforce's taxes
See, I regard that as a very good thing.
Heck, I regard SS (and really all state pensions) as fundamentally evil and immoral. Basic bitch ponzi schemes that should be illegal. Collapsing a ponzi scheme is a good thing.
>A good chunk of leftist politics is built on whims and nonsense in order to protect feelings
I agree. I am also not a leftist. I don't particularly care about trannies' feelings. But I do care of removing women's feelings from all of public policy and preferably public life too.
>If we're stomping feelings and whims, minorities like trans people would probably be among the first on the chopping block
I honestly don't think so. We could stop assuming that the American model is the best. Once we stop assuming that we can start looking at how the rest of the world is doing things. Please notice that non-Angloid countries do not have a tranny derangement syndrome phase even as they also kinda sorta restrict hrt for minors.
We can have non-feelings based policy without being repressive puritans or repressive "progressives". But that can only happen once we admit current Angloid pseudo-culture is shit-tier.
>I know that SSRIs are fucking evil. I don't see how these effects compare to HRT
The biggest long-term negative effects of HRT are infertility and sexual dysfunction. The exact same is true with SSRIs. Except SSRIs' effects are routinely impossible to reverse while the same is not true with hrt. That's the comparison I'm making.
>we should stop feeding antidepressants to children
But we won't, and you know it.
Again, I'm not too interested in philosophy but in what is.
In 2026, we feed SSRIs to 12 year olds, we make it illegal for male-only spaces to exist and we let 16 year olds drive. In this world, restricting hrt on grounds of negative effects or complaining about women's spaces is illegitimate & red herring.

>>43289355
>>43289666
I wish my husband had been more insistent on this. I did get the snip eventually but I postponed longer because I fell for the anti-srs psyops.

>>43290722
Well, none of the potential changes we're discussing are realistic. It's 2026 and we still don't have healthcare.
So if we're talking deep reforms that remove female-weighted shit, we might as well assume that we get decent and affordable mental health services, eliminating antidepressants, school shootings, most of the unhappy self-hating trans people, etc etc.

>>43290378
No. Penis = no female spaces
Imagine a trans woman with a penis in a female changing room would make everyone uncomfortable

Get srs if you want to be a woman. Thats what I did, I did not socially transition until I had ffs, vfs and srs

>>43288969
Idk I've smashed a lot over the years, I'm actually happier with my libido lowered. I'm happy to take care of my bf's needs on demand but I'm happy being horny once a week or so

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>>43288969
manmodder here i tried that and it didnt work, tried to be as masculine as i can, got a gf with plenty of sex,broke up, did another girl, gym work out and be as manly as i can get but eventually lost it and troon out. I should've just accepted myself 14 years ago repped soo long now 24 regretting not being on hrt early. I just hope i get hit by a truck everytime i go outside.

Had sex with women before transitioning and men after, I feel much better and more in live with myself now regardless if the sex (which is way better now to be clear)

>>43288969
doesnt work, makes it worse
.t non-incel