What do you guys think causes someone to have any sense of like, AGP/MEF/Sissy fetish?This is going to probably be a strange and rambling post, but I was doing some thinking in the shower about this stuff and how it applies to myself, and I wanted to see what other people on this website thought.I'm someone who has struggled with this kind of stuff my whole life, and I used to think it made me some kind of faketrans fetishist, but I also realized, I was never interested in normal sex? Ever since I was a kid, my sexuality revolved around some form of humiliation, submissiveness, force fem, sissy shit etc, right? But for me, these fantasies very seldom involved proper sex, even anal sex.So what causes that? What causes someone, even from being a young teen, to prefer to masturbate to the idea of being forced to wear a dress or sissy outfit? Why would he essentially never experience attraction towards the opposite sex?I'm starting to think sissy fetishes are a sort of safe haven for the repressed transsexual mind.Dysphoria and sexuality both emerge stronger during puberty. However, due to the brain structures of a transsexual, they would not be interested in penetrative sex with women*, as it is a typically male form of sex and one that would induce dysphoria and distress.Enter the paraphilias. These fetishes allows transsexuals an outlet for both sexual feelings and alleviating dysphoria by giving them outlet to experience some form of femininity, albeit a strange and sexualized one, which the transsexual brain craves.
>>43292145Aside from the femininity, these fetishes also appeal to one due to submissiveness, forbidden/naughtiness, humiliation etc... These types of fetishes are able to fill that sexual desire in people, often without penetrative sex.Essentially, I think any sort of AGP/MEF/Sissy fetish is caused by wanting a nonpenetrative outlet sexual feelings and gender dysphoria. If lest to fester in a repressed transsexual's mind, I believe these fetishes become more strange and extreme and would account for the odd behavior that is often seen amongst sissy fetishists online.*I will note here, homosexuality could fulfill sexual desires, however for many transsexuals this might not be an option. They might be attracted to men, but due to their social upbringing and culture, homosexuality might never be considered as an option, or it might just never be feasible. Thus, it is not considered a valid option for repressed transsexuals. However, homosexuality could occur higher in transitioned transsexuals. If their brains are more female in structure, an attraction to males would make sense, and being transitioned, they might be more free to experiment with a non paraphilia sexuality.
>>43292145>>43292149Now granted, this is just agpcope wrapped in purple prose to sound more valid than it probably is.I'm not sure if I have a lot of evidence for these ideas, perhaps for my own life, of which I have provided little insight to.>be me>as kid for some reason enjoyed trying on diapers past potty training age>also enjoy dressing in feminine outfits or costumes>about 3rd grade read a book where a boy is scared he turned into a girl>latch onto that idea HARD for some reason>start to wish I was a girl>keep idea buried in my mind>puberty hits>sad as body becomes more male>don't develop attraction to women, despite trying to masturbate unsuccessfully to them>for some reason decide to jerk off to woman in diapers>able to masturbate>for sexuality, spend next few years masturbating to ABDL stuff or sissy stuff, often imagining it was myself>try to repress tranny feelings>forget about tranny feels for a few years>continue strange sexuality>age 18>tranny feels return>get on informed consent HRT>get hard at first HRT appointment kek>take HRT and manmode>strange sexuality continues however>lately not even enjoying that stuff since I'm just tugging my cock or humping something since it feels good while also imaging myself in strange aforementioned scenarios>wondering if I would have had a normal sexuality if I was a woman>wondering if I am like this because I'm not a woman>wondering if I got SRS if I would feel happier and more normal having sex that way
>>43292220And perhaps I am simply an example of an autogynephile male being allowed to transition at a younger age due to an increased ease of access in more recent years.Anyway, what do the netizens of this board think? What are your own experiences with AGP? What do you think causes it?
>>43292145>>43292257Sigh. The following will be all disjointed and whatever comes to my mind. I have a coherent narrative of my AGP written across several dozen screenshotted posts but I'd never fucking find them all.My brain fetishizes submission and that's not exactly a controversial way to start a narrative of AGP. Every time I hit upon a mental image or real image that drives me like unbearably intense horny, the image is something derived from what it would be like to be in the feminine role "assuming the position" either literally or as role in life.Things that have made me feel out of control with horneyness... (and the fact that NOT IN CONTROL itself is something I want to explore so much should be a sign, of innate feminine, sexual orientation) >Wearing girl clothesI just want to wear casual clothes that imitate the girls my heterosexual element is attracted to (when it's attracted to them, it wants to be them. "Why I can't I be that," asked in lust and despair when I look at a pretty girl). I have always wanted to be someone else in some more accepting environment where I could go about my day every day dressed in girl clothes ranging from elegant to casual (even plain shorts, sports bra and tshirt). My brain associates clothes of the female gender with humiliation and it sexualizes humiliation. Some females wear whatever they want but most conform to gender stereotypes and I wish I could feel that feeling kind of silently force femming myself and still be accepted for it. Basically just the experience of waking up and getting dressed as a girl but most importantly going out and having people see you as a girl would be making me horny constantly if I was living that. As a cope I crossdressed under my casual male clothes as often as possible but the time of life for doing that and socializing in a way where it could feel authentic have passed me by. I have many bitter regrets about clothes or situations I didn't get to try.
>>43292510That's rough Nona
>>43292510>>432925352/?Bras are the ultimate form of conforming to gender stereotypes so bras are the item that concentrates my AGP power. "You are a girl, you have to wear a bra." "Okay" --> hnnnnng>Having sex with Guys while Wearing Girl Clothes also known as "sucking cock in a dress"I understand at my core that this is my sexuality. Since I can't inhabit a girl's body and experience sex through it, I want to be admired and explored, touched, undressed, and in submission in various positions by an understanding guy. >This is where it Gets DegenerateI also really, really like to engage with fantasies where I would be experiencing medical humiliation or submission as a female. Getting on the table while doctors watch, being nude in front of doctors, getting sedated. What I think causes it, I don't think we can determine that through process of elimination because we only get one life. We can't experimentally eliminate formative experiences or trauma or then change a gene somewhere so all I like to think is that I was born the way I am, I grew up in the unfortunately dysfunctional way I did, and now I'm here. I can't attribute causation to variables without overthinking.
I've kind of just resolved myself to never being able to square the circle of my sexuality. I've been into feminine clothing, humiliation and hypnoslop since I first hit puperty. I couldn't tell you wether I'm gay, straight or bi, because it varies all the time. But I have never had a desire to live as or to socially present as a woman (although I do have long hair), and I mostly feel fine in my body. I've always been disinterested in having sex (will die a virgin)I wish AGP/MEF in men was better understood. I'd love to know how it's linked to my other issues (ADHD, social withdrawal, etc.)pic related
Interesting I also never had attraction to women (or men). I only get attracted to women when I'm drunk and at a party or social settings. Or maybe in social settings without alcohol. Specially if they're close to me physically or seem to like me, or if I'm feeling confident. Apparently this is called psychogenic erectile dysfunction (ED from psychological causes). But I think AGP plays a stronger role than whatever anxiety or lack of confidence may be causing it. Or AGP being my main sexuality.I'm more of a behavioral AGPer myself. I like listening to girly music, female entertainment, I decorated my room all girly. But I also like crossdressing and being treated as a girl. I guess it's very holistic. I don't think you can just say it's repressed transsexuality since there's tons of guys like me that aren't trannies (including me most likely). I guess it could vary from person to person though, the cause, that is. It could be caused from a lack of arousal from women turning into arousal from one self as woman. Or from a lack of inetrest in penetrative sex. I've also never been interested in it.I don't know I guess I'm brainstorming lmao.
>>43292145I'm cis m agp/mef/sissy. I also pretty much worship women and always have. So I don't view being a woman as negative, I just think that female attire is hot, and I like bottoming and being submissive. Also I was always into hypnosis content so I like the idea of being brainwashed and sissy hypno did it for me the first time I saw it.I've always been girl-crazy and also into guys to a limited extent and have a very high sex drive, so that differs from what a lot of others report here. It's not that I need this to be turned on as much as it's something that frequently turns me more than other things.
>>43292145Something is out of wack early in life causing a snowball effect. All the "perverse" effects are the body wanting to course correct but now working against the inertia.
>>43292145Why is this shit the hottest shit ever to me? Not dressing myself up in it but having some skinny twink and dressing them up like that an dominating the absolute shit out of them. Normal gay shit does nothing to me. It has to be some cute things like pic rel involved
For me it's probably>loving and being sexually aroused by women and femininity>history of repressing my own feminine side because of childhood bullying>being smallish and socially a bit clumsy, not feeling adequate to interact with female sexuality in the male role confidently and freely>feeling inadequacy while still having a need to be worthy of desire, and also kind of not having really a drive to become an alpha male through rigorous workout etc.>history of masturbating to female beauty without really self-inserting as a man in intercourse (at least partially because of a teenage-developed paraphilia for anorexic girls/thinspo, who were in my mind way too pure and almost non-carnal to be ever imagined as objects of penetration instead of objects of worship)>finding an alternative outlet to exploring the sexual feminine through self-inserting as the woman, crossdressing, behavioral and bodily AGP fantasies, feeling also kind of beautiful and hot.But I never want to be viewed as MEF or sissy. When I "am" a girl, I could see myself as submitting and bottoming to a safe and worthy partner, but I am not some ditzy, intoxicated servant of cock, or someone forced or humiliated into femininity. I'm an independent actor who can love, please, care and cuddle and who needs to have all of these done to me too.So I identify as an autogynephilic man or "a man who sometimes would really like to be a woman sexually"
blegh something is wrong with us
I dont know. But for me, the thought of it is far better than reality. Maybe it’s just because I am an unimaginably ugly omegahon ogrebeast and doing anything in my own body is unappealing, but any small pleasure I get from doing some agp shit dissipates very quickly. For example, I bought some thigh highs on amazon (I know lol). It felt good for maybe 15 seconds, then they just felt like long socks. I’ve only put them on a handful of times because it’s just better to imagine it than actually do it.
>>43293790nope im gorgeous and im like this too except it doesnt wear off that fast but fantasy is still more better than reality
>>43292145>>43292149Ngl this is so hot to read. Pity guys wait until they are fifty to act on it.
>>43293964whats a pity is we all act on it with ai now instead
>>43292145It seems like a big part of these stories is that the world surrounding the main character is actively participating in these processes. So meaning is formed among his peers, elders, randoms, etc. There is no time wasted on internal truth because mommy bought you a dress which for your birthday party and she said it matches your eyes so you have to wear it. It's so simple...
>>43294045I certainly agree with that, and I think there is a similar vibe with ABDL stuff to, the loss of control and agency, having to surrender yourself to someone/thing that will love and care for you.Reading these responses, it appears these is a variety of AGP/MEF experiences and lives, it's quite interesting.
honestly after reading this thread maybe Autogynephillia is real after all
>>43292801>since there's tons of guys like me that aren't trannieslike who????
>>43295715just go to any random feminization comic forum or thread
>>43295737yuck sorry too grossed out
>>43294020dont do that
>>43298553ok
>>43292510>My brain fetishizes submissionI don't fetishize it, it's simpler than that. Everyone has a preferred sexual role which along with sexual attraction make up your sexuality. So if you are male, submissive and attracted to women, this creates a conflict because as a straight man you are expected to be dominant and no woman wants to dominate you. But if you were a woman, this conflict would not exist. So you focus your sexual energy into that, which is what gets called AGP. I am submissive and I want to be a woman so I can perform my preferred role. So I can be desired and fucked. It is just a mismatch thanks to the hormonal exposure in the womb.
I love being a frilly little sissy OwO some "men" are just weak and built to submit to stronger alpha men <3it's not gay or trans
i'm probably agp/mef but i really only think it's hot if the tranny in question is perfectly passablelike an agp hon is just a dick wilter
>>43294020this is too sexu to trust to AI
>>43298691dress in kinky dresses
>>43293877>>43293790It only makes sense that the feel fades away, I guess? Nobody goes around hours aroused by simply how they look, that would be kind of... weird? After all, clothes are just fabric and the transformation is never that thorough.But I guess the question one has to ask after the horniness and euphoria fades is, which of these is closer to your thoughts:a) meh, why am I still going around like this as a man in this stupid outfit, it's not even that funorb) why am in this outfit when I look like a stupid man in it, it's not even that funI notice that I blame my body, not the clothes, for the incongruence.
why is AGP so humiliating
>>43301588For me it's a combination of the people who practice it who have no shame or self-control, the fact that it's so unusual, the fact that it's genuinely so confusing and incompatible with a normal bourgeois existence
I think my sexuality got stuck somewhere between autistic cishet and AGP, like i downloaded an update but the file corrupted halfway through. Looking back on my life my sexuality was never really normal. I had zero internal drive to pursue women even though I was attracted to woman on paper. By 16 I was a serious outlier among my friends because I didn't "get" the fundamentals of heterosexual attraction or dating. The internet didn't help, it kind of porn-rotted my brain and I started developing the GIWTWM sensations. However there wasn't a lot of overt cross-gender fantasies like anon describe, just a vague fagginess that permeated my sense of self. If I had to objectively describe what happened to me, I would say I was born a weak heterosexual due to my autistic genetics, and then environmental factors swayed this in an AGP direction as a defense mechanism due to an insecure and un-nurtured upbringing. I have no interest in trooning (not just because of the optics nuke) but because the actual gender incongruence I feel is small and mostly sexual.
>>43303012That's relatable, Anon. How do you cope with the loneliness?
>>43303012>the actual gender incongruence I feel is small and mostly sexual.It's entirely sexual for me. I don't want to be a man when it comes to sex. That's it, that's why I escape into fantasies of being a woman.
>>43292145Either misogyny+humiliation kink or a form of repressing dysphoria. They're pretty easy to tell apart
>>43303697>They're pretty easy to tell apartHow
>>43303114I don't know. I could stomach it when I was in my early 20s but now that I'm older the reality is setting in that I might actually be alone forever and it's getting harder to wake up every morning. I try to fill my time with working out and playing through my backlog but it's just to keep the thoughts away. >>43303119this life sucks I can't believe this is a real thing I'm dealing with. It seems so absurd and stupid.
>>43292145I was dropped on my head as a baby, and it made me a faggot.
>>43292220>wondering if I got SRS if I would feel happier and more normal having sex that wayUsually yes.t. srsoid mef
This thread reminds me why I stop coming here.You guys want to overanalyze everything to process your self rejection. Just wear make-up, shave, wear girl clothes and enjoy. Nobody cares about what you are, what causes it, what label you have. You're just you
>>43303703You either like being a woman because you feel humiliated by it or because you view it as a form of self-love. It's easy to tell for yourself
>>43306576High IQ take.I still occasionally show up because sometimes there's nice people who can be prevented from catching brainworms.
>>43306580>> . It's easy to tell for yourselfHow do another person tell?
>>43306998The site has gone downhill. Every thread is a philosophical/psychological debate about what are the origins of this conditions that are deemed fetishistic. It's annoying. I just want to share with people like me, but the entire catalog is > AGP comes from this and this and it's gross and HSTS are this and this.Who the dick cares? Society will call us faggots no matter what
>>43307361Have you thought about going to a site that reflects your interest. You know Rather than trying to thought police everyone here.
>>43307615Reddit is horrible cult like people. I have tried but haven't found a community that just wanna be happy and be chill and normal
it's just normal female sexuality combined with male socialization. it's effectively an intersex condition warped by modern civilization
>>43307361I like this content on 4chan. Thats why Im posting and reading these comments
>>43292145Idk but it's insanely hot and I wish I had a MEF princess to ravage. I just like thinking of sex with MEF/sissies as an animal dominance sort of deal like you'd see in nature of one male mounting another "male", eliminating them as competition and making them docile and submissive to you by planting your seed inside. It's like this explosive feedback loop of intense passion where I desire to dominate and you crave to be taken and sexually consumed by a dominant male, your male identity and ego fucked in to submission.
>>43308674You know there’s a lot of people who would say this is wildly transphobic, and basically admits a worldview where transition is legitimately sissification of a defeated male… But it’s also really, really hot to imagine being on the receiving end. So I don’t know.
>>43308487Good 4 u
>>43308806I like to think of it as gender-affirming if anything, making you succumb to feminine pleasure and shoot your defeated "male" cum in to the ground while being impaled on a hard cock, fertilizing and mating with you like I want you to bear my child but you can't get pregnant so you just hold my DNA inside of you like a brand of emasculation and sexual conquest, feeling you shiver and quake in the aftermath of your own subjugation as I seize you by the balls and tell you you're not gonna need them anymore
>>43306576i think this thread is somehow all people being gooners, dont think it has to do with brainworms. being gooners cause theyre at least unconsciously turned on by talking about "being into feminization teehee". to another extent it's just interesting to analyze shit. but the vibe isn't self hating one it's like of interest mostly.
>>43308069if a girl woke up in a male body do you think she would be a a Mef agp subby slut or would she act like a fuckboy manwhore
>>43308674>>43308985im ngmi
>>43309093>im ngmiWhy
>>43308985This is pornographic. this is cool
>>43309456being turn on by those postssent me spiraling for a full hour :<
>>43308806nta but some of us transitioned for the fetish. I still see myself as a failed male first. Getting the boy fucked out of me is a regular need.>>43308674>>43308985nta>one male mounting another "male", eliminating them as competition and making them docile and submissive to you by planting your seed insideToo bad doesn't work like that IRL. I had to first feminize myself before attracting a real man. Not that I'm complaining but it would've been hotter to be groomed.>you crave to be taken and sexually consumed by a dominant male, your male identity and ego fucked in to submissionThat's a day ending in -y on my end.>seize you by the ballsanon, I got the snip years ago. If you wanna help a mefy girl, you don't grab her by the balls. You shame her for still having them.
>>43309761I get you.
>>43309866>Getting the boy fucked out of me is a regular need.Yeah I definitely need to do some work on boys for this type of improvement
>>43292145What causes it is possessing a female gender identity. The fuck else do you want us to tell you
>>43311390> a female gender identityWhat is a female gender identity?
>>43311400The psychological gender possessed by the majority of people assigned female at birth
>>43311414>psychological genderBULLSHIT
>>43311414Gender is physical not psychological. Your psychological state is man who likes pretending he's woman. Otherwise you'd be a woman.
>>43303012Highly relatable. I love women but somehow I feel sexually incompatible with them because I have a small penis. Like >>43303119 for me its sexual escapism into a situation where I can thrive and be desired.
