What's the current consensus on enbies? Do you have any particular thoughts or experiences you'd like to share?I've identified as an enby for a few years now, also started HRT, but most people see me as a tranny or a gay guy. I don't think many other people grasp non-binariness very well and it's kinda lonely out here.
>>43316756i see enbies on E or T as mtf or ftm and nontransitioning theyfabs and theymabs as cis
>>43316756Its rly weird, like i don't understand why or how i can even feel this way but i do
enbies get a lot of shit but I think they're fine
>>43316769but what if I'm a nontransitioning hemab on E who likes turtle necks and flowy trousers and wears chucks and is generally just kinda lost and a retard but not unhappy?
i think enbies are winning the long war and all trans people are basically seen as NB now
Medically transitioning? They're cool. The rest come off as posers trying to relate.
>>43316756My opinion on nonbinary people in the wild is low, but my opinion on the concept is high.I think being NB makes more sense than being trans in many cases and nobody every agrees.>Yeah I'm trans yes I believe you need to fit certain criteria to be trans, maybe pretty strict ones, yes I have sex with my genitals, no it makes no sense to identify as something other than male or female because of how we are viewed in society, nonpassers are still trans, you're still trans when you have dysphoria but have been unable to troonI can understand the purist mindset- you're only trans when you transition, you need to have staunch genital dysphoria or else you're faketrans, trans people are only "really" the opposite sex when they pass, etc. But most people don't believe this, I don't completely believe this.I think it's crazy to think that people cannot be an "other". Trannies will say they value many of the aspects of their birth sex, some might even be upset if they lose them, or dislike some aspects of the opposite sex, but nonbinary people must be coping binary trans people who must REALLY dislike all aspects of their sex and NEED aspects of the opposite to be happy.I think most NBs are retarded because I think most trannies are retarded, because most people are retarded.IDGAF if you're on hormones or not I will probably have a lower opinion of you unless I get to know you. Thus, I try to keep my judgements to myself.
>>43316872nobody ever agrees*Hanging myself in public tonight.
Both cissoids and trannies are both so overly attached to their stereotypical gender norms that they cannot stand the concept of being enby, so theyll always despise us.
>>43316883the y was cute and made me smile because i often make that typo myself for no reason too
>>43316797You're a gay manThe end
>>43316883pls don't??but yeah I get what you're saying... I estrange most people just cuz my presentation always varies so wildly, as do my opinions and actions but I just like eccentric stuff (not in the degenerate sense I'm actually quite vanilla and monogamous and in a happy relationship with my bf).Idk I never feel like I fit in even when you account for me being probably a gigasperg the other autists don't really like me... same with the other letters.I s'pose I'm just literally 'queer' altho I don't like that word but it describes me well.
>>43316940Is this your full name?
The issue is that all trans is nonbinary. That's what it means to be trans. A male cannot transition into a female. Simple as.
>>43316979This time I'm really gonna do it.>>43316955Provide some examples of your presentation?I also understand why trannies would hate this explanation, a lot of this has no relation to gender. Although, I think it still does, never forget that women are viewed as machines that have no inner world besides whining. (I don't believe this)
>>43316756They usually don’t even have gender dysphoria. They should legit be viewed as like people who pretend to have any other medical condition for attention
>>43317012And what about the ones that do experience dysphoria? I know i experience it. Plus theres tons of binary trannies who say they dont experience dysphoria either
>>43317000I feel like trannies and cissoids do have an innate sense of gender which is either matched or does not match their current desired presentation / how other people see them.But such a notion seems foreign to me. I have identified as a man and as a woman, but both felt equally constraining.Sometimes I wanna be a bro, other times I'm a gworl. It feels pointles to go through all of this gender stuff only to settle on the other extreme, when, in my opinion, the real message is that all of these preconceived notions are just blatantly oversimplifying what a person actually is and how their unique experiences and preferences shape their behaviour and presentation.
>>43316979>>43317005i copied it from another thread idek what it means lol
>>43317012>The only reason to live your life as something other than your assigned sex is because you are disordered or faking itWhatever man.
>>43317032There is a minority who do experience dysphoria and they should treat it by transitioning, not half transitioning.
>>43317057You gonna stroke that cock tonight tho?
>>43317057Except being seen as a woman makes me feel equally as dysphoric as being seen as a man lmao. Being an enby is a genuine curse as no matter whether i take E or not, ill always be doomed to feel dysphoria in one way or another. meanwhile all you binary trannies have to do is take your pills and all your problems get solved.
>>43317005>>43316979What is supercalifragilisticsadomasochism bullshit
>>43317041you've transcended
>>43317005>Provide some examples of your presentation?I'm not gonna post pics here obv, but I've had all hair lengths between buzzcut and shoulder length, my hair is sometimes slicked back with pomade and a tight bun with bobby pins and sometimes it's totally fuzzy and all over the place.Sometimes I dress in classical male clothing almost suits other times I have kinda cutesy crop tops or athletic fits (I don't wear dresses or skirts tho lol).I have thick gay-coded gold earrings and chains or sometimes earrings with little charms or diamond studs. My clothes range from bland navy blue and grey to pink and orange.I have always loved fashion and I sometimes I spend hours getting ready, trying out new looks, sometimes 10+ outfits before I settle on something.I've got thick nerd glasses, thin round frames, transparent glasses etc...>>43317012I feel like I have some symptoms of gender dysphoria but not all. Like I don't care about my pronouns or most social stuff, but body wise I prefer a more female appearance (I'm lowk anorexic so it's not like I got much fat to (re-) distribute anyways but a little bit more softness does seem to fit me well if I go by the amount of compliments I've been getting before and on HRT)
>>43317086Except for the part where people treat trannies like gay men and pooners like angry lesbians
i think gnc people should sabotage their respective genders from the inside instead of being ghettoised into a new third gender
>>43317121I think that you identifying as an other for this does not discredit other people who are queer or otherwise gnc but I do understand why people think that's retarded. You do you buddy.
>>43316756theymabs: you will get strange looks from me but go off my g, enjoy yourselftheyfabs: mandatory forcefem and "she/her" forehead tattoo (not allowed to cover it)
>>43317141>You do you buddy.I literally cannot do anything else. I always look weird because I overdo my looks even if I try to look normal I'll get carried away and accessorize in some absolutely hideous way. Ergh who care thanks at least for tolerating my weirdness
>>43317133theymabs get treated like gay men and theyfabs get treated like angry lesbians just the same. Atleast binary trannies get to be happy about their bodies
>>43317086This rings very true btwI feel equally uncomfortable dysphoria at both ends of the gender spectrum (if there even exists such a thing - which I would advocate for)
>>43317178WellHere's my fucked takeI think you'll just have dysphoria as long as you have a corporeal form.Of course you'll be miserable.Having a form means being seen and being witnessed and for whatever trauma-induced reason, you hate this.
>>43317178> Binary trannies get to be happy about their bodieslmao
>>43316756Trannies are failed men and nb's are even below trannies.
I'm physically mtf, but consider myself a eunuch. Took some time to come to this conclusion, but my dysphoria is almost entirely with physical traits rather than social roles. I live as a physically feminine gay man with an otherwise masculine demeanor. I describe myself as nonbinary to normie legbutts as describing myself as a eunuch just raises too many questions.
>>43317299I mean I didn't want kids ever since I learned that's an option at like nine years old so the whole default successful family life path just isn't appealing.Nobody chose to be born so I don't get why I should make that decision for someone else and being rich gets boring in its own way (my parents are rich so I know the lifestyle, but they never supported me financially after I turned 18).I want to live a unique life and of course that comes with much disdain from greater society but blindly submitting to norms dictated by a largely retarded populus is, well, retarded in my opinion and not in the way I like my retardation.
>>43317269True. I believe my existence as an enby just isnt compatible with reality. No matter what I do, I can never escape dysphoria>>43317286If theyre passoids, then yes they very much do get to be happy about their bodies. Even hons get to be slightly happy about their bodies to an extent
very interesting thread
