The masc 4 masc crowd is the "you can't block the straight of hormuz, I'll block the straight of hormuz!" of gay rights. Instead of acknowledging that two bearded smelly fat guys tongue wrestling is gross, they doubled down on the gross. That isn't how you win an argument.But to win requires sacrifices. Gays don't want to be told what to like, and that's natural. Having agency is important. Trannies don't want to be men, and I understand. Being a man is being a second class citizen. But hear me out.By masc 4 mascing, gays are just affirming the cishet apartheid system. And by saying "male attraction to a tranny is not gay", you're effectively saying it's wrong to be gay. Many men are attracted to trannies. Most, I would say. Normalizing chaserism is a normalization of homosexual tendencies. And chaserism IS NORMAL. Once this message is driven home, the system will collapse like a house of cards.If you're really a fat bear and you want to cope by only going after other fat bears that's great, just don't say "oh it's not gay to like someone beautiful" because all it does is reinforce the idea that REAL homosexuality is the pursuit of ugliness.In conclusion, we must marginalize masc 4 masc for the sake of human rights. It's not that masculine males don't deserve rights, but we must acknowledge how ugly masculine men really are, otherwise we will be seen as intentionally dishonest.
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>>43344619she's arching her back so much lmao
>>43345995
male attraction to a tranny is gay
>>43346286And there is nothing wrong with being gay
how come we have so many random stupid schizo posts like this >>43344619 appearing in our forum of all places?no other part of this website has such a high prevalence of pure unfiltered autistic dribble, not even /x/, not even /r9k/i swear it would be fascinating if it werent also so miserably depressing
>>43348029Sorry for not posting another screencap from @ActualWoman1488 about a screencap from the Daily Mail article about bearded migrant hamas trannies kidnapping white christian babies to drink their blood as part of their satanic human sacrifice orgies
>>43344619Are you saying the gay of Hormuz needs to be blocked?
>>43344619>by masc 4 mascing, gays are just affirming the cishet apartheid systemMost of your post I just disagree with on the merits (e.g., “masc people are ugly”), but this part I actually don’t understand. Can you help me out?I would think masc 4 masc is the kind of relationship that directly challenges cishet structures, because it can’t be mapped onto them. Notice that masc + fem relationships can and are; normies look at them and think the masc guy is “the man” and the fem guy is “the woman.” So it’s just a redo of cishet relationships, in other words. A masc 4 masc (or fem 4 fem) relationship makes that mapping harder if not impossible, and thus (in my personal experience) cishet people find it more shocking and challenging to comprehend. This is why you get clueless straights asking people in such relationships “but who is the woman and who is the man?” It’s inherently more radical to them. No?
>>43344619Fem is not beautiful. Girls are not beautiful. I'm gay because I like masculinity. Simple as.
>>43348382I completely disagree that it challenges cishet structures, other than by creating a separate, parallel set of structures that still plays by the same rules. Cishet rules are that a masc cis man and a fem cis woman are the most valid pairing (thereby implying that any other pairing is substandard). So, sure, now you've defined another pairing masc + masc, and called it the most valid in the queer space. Still subordinate to cishet, but more gay, and thus more valid, than others, such as fem gay + masc gay (basically fake straight and thus invalid), or fem gay + fem gay (basically fake lesbians, real lesbians are the mathematical inverse of porn lesbians which are fem + fem and thus invalid because that's for the cishet male gaze)tl;dr if your entire identity revolves around rejecting something that cishets asked, that you didn't like, then you haven't really broken free, have you?
>>43346401you have to be a woman to like men
>>43348774its simplerfemininity = weakwomen = baby makersfeminine + no baby making = weak and uselessmasculinity = strongmasculinity + baby making = strong and usefulmasculinity + no baby making = still useful because strength in itself is usefulfeminine male = weak subversionstraight feminine male + babies = raises weak babiesgay feminine male = subverts male gaze that should be directed to baby makers
>>43349797transgenderism is just homophobic conversion therapy + enforcing gender roles
>>43349817yes its a way of consumer markets subsuming useless non reproductive units
>>43349883capitalism is just the economic system of the matriarchy i.e. pitting men against each other to provide the most for a foidpeople can contribute to society beyond reproduction, you are totally brainwashed by the matriarchy we all live under
>>43348774It sounds like your problem then is with hierarchy itself—that masc 4 masc is seen as the “most valid in the queer space.” But your OP was not an attempt to abolish hierarchy between different types of pairings. You merely chose one to put higher up (man and MTF), and one to put lower down (masc 4 masc). You replace one “apartheid” with another and call it abolition?Your tl;dr does not follow from anything else you said, so I’ll address it separately. People who are masc 4 masc aren’t doing it to “reject[] something that cishets asked.” It’s about what they find attractive. I’m not masc, but I find masc men attractive; it’s not exactly hard to imagine that a masc man might feel that same attraction to other masc men. Even if you think it’s strange or perverse, that doesn’t mean it isn’t authentic. Remember, there are people into feet and inflation and furries and so on. Masc 4 masc relationships, by virtue of their inability to map onto hetero ones, do challenge cishets—but that’s a side effect, not the reason gay men pursue them in the first place.
>>43349898none of what you wrote conflicts with what I said
>>43349914gay people aren't useless and don't need to be castrated to fix them
>>43349905Two people with dicks having sex challenges cishets. Gatekeeping gay is just "alpha male" shit that needs to be called out for what it is.
>>43349905trvke op replaced one hierarchy with anotherthe only toxic masc4masc ones have internalized femme phobia that they then project onto others but they are not all of them. plenty of healthy loving masc4mascs. therefore the real issue is the hate
>>43349930I'm not sharing my opinons, just a description of society
>>43349940You need to form smaller hierarchies to fight the larger ones
>>43344619I don’t agree or disagree but I must say that this is an incredible post, OP.
>>43344619masc4mascs will claim you aren't gay even while you are actively sucking a cock, just because the cock is attached to a femboy and not a fat ugly bastard (and if you're also cute, it makes them double-seethe)
>>43351742masc4mascs will say you aren't gay if you shaved your body before getting spit roasted by batman and robin
>>43344619>all of that bullshiti want the straight boys to leave
>>43346197what does this mean
>>43344619trvke
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>>43352540moids share memes like that to larp as sex havers with options "it was her fault i cheated for not arching her back" cringe
>>43344619>Many men are attracted to trannies. Most, I would say.Not according to science. Also most popular trans woman is at spot 500 in popularity in pornhub.. chasers are the bottom of the men, unnormal and unmasculine
>>43349797This must mean that early transitioned trans men are the best of men as they are masculine and can make babies
