Why has gender dysphoria become more common in the last 5-10 years?
it hasn't, but rapid onset autistic trooning has. people who are autistic LOVE crossdressing
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I dont think it has, there are more trans people as transitioning is more accessible and despite what youngsters think being trans is safer and more accessible than ever. back 30 years ago it was just crossdressers because few were even realy aware of hormone transition as an option. You see LGBT/Trans flags everywhere now in progressive cities while even 15 years ago you wouldnt. You 20 somthing yo's dont know how good you've got it even despite current governments. t. 38yo oldfuck
>>43345603Transitioning is more accessible but that still doesnt explain why its happening. At least not entirely.
>>43345561Trans people visibility makes a lot more people understand how they’re feeling better
>>43345634I mean i dont think gender dysphoria is more common. Its just you see the result of it more due to a largely nicer society.
>>43345643But why are they feeling that way? Im assuming you're probably gonna say "oh its just genetic and they cant help it" but im not convinced desu.
>>43345561>make life suck for any male who is subnormal>wow why do some AMABs want to escape being relegated to the underclass?
>>43345666Well what would convince you?
>>43345668Being a tranny is worse than being a cis man
>>43345703No. I wish you'd read my post instead of kneejerking, there's more nuance to it than that. Being a normal/high value cis man>>>>being a trans woman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>being a low value man.
>>43345679My personal feeling is that its a lot to do with the way life has become inaccesibly expensive while the internet has lead to mass levels of isolation, people are able to connect to niche, subcultural categories in ways that were impossible decades ago. I don't think its too absurd to think that theres a lot of lonely, disenfranchised guys who would choose being trans as an escape to the life of being a failed male.
>>43345711As a former low value man, I can assure you that you are wrong. I am still low value, but now everyone treats me like some freakish third thing.
>>43345715You just described transmaxxers lol anyways what i think is that wave in gender dysphorics is because of shit like reddit and tumblr causing a lot of trenders there’s multiple accounts of people who transitioned in 2020 detranning so take that as you will are you trans?
>>43345723Maybe you just don't pass which is a confounding factor. For clarity, I'm talking about trans women who can pass. And even then, trans women at least have community with each other. Low value men don't even have that.
>>43345765i think ppl transition for those reasons but dont think of themselves as transmaxxers though, transmaxxing is just a very cynical way to self identify.yeah im "trans" but i do often think of myself in these terms because i basically had zero value before trooning and afterwards i have niche value as a tranny which makes people want to be around me even as a curiosity. if it was the 80s/90s rn i could have just got a job and bought a house in a few years and probably wouldnt have felt so empty and depressed but i cant know for sure.
>>43345783>And even then, trans women at least have community with each other. Low value men don't even have that.when will autistic men realize they don't need to faketroon in order to have sex with one another and have "community"
>>43345828well they do because they arent gay niggas
>>43345828Probably never cause they’re autstic
>>43345828Unlike female sexuality, male sexuality is fixed and men just aren't interested in other men unless they're wired that way. Only about 1% of men are. This is in contrast to almost all women being pan and 60% of trans women being bi/pan. Dumbass.
>>43345561Environmental endocrine disruptors are making everyone feminine and crazy
>>43345888how do i exploit this to make myself more fem and crazy?
>>43345882They all still look like men and have penises, so maybe they're more gay than they think.
i blame cars and phones like every other social malady . arrested (sexual and etc) development and a broad feeling of helplessness leads to generalized dysphoria and it seems like an easy solution . covid obviously made it worse, because social pressure was a great reason not to that briefly became a nonfactor, long enough for some people to buy in . i don't really blame metoo type feminism . i myself am a genuine female soul though im just talking about yall .
>>43345990You sure type like a middle aged man though
>>43345990Decent argument but>genuine female soul>it's just a homosexual bottomokey doke
>>43345899eat from plastic containers, idkI was memeing mostly, just throwing out a random idea that I had heard.
just got a name for why i feel like shit
>>43345990Why do you blame cars?
>>43345561No one who is full blown trans is transitioning just because of social media. That said there are probably some like, Agenders who are just trend chasing
I think it's a combination of two things. People who do legitimately have gender dysphoria feel more comfortable coming out due to the heightened amount of support and access to transition treatments over the years. However, the majority of people who claim to have this disorder are young people who have been severely misinformed about what being transgender is and just want to fit in with the rest of their friends who have also fallen victim to it.Imagine being an insecure, developing teenager. You hate everything about yourself, including your looks. When you go online to find some answers, you're told this isn't a side effect of normal adolescent development, but rather, it's a sign that you have an incredibly specific mental disorder, and the only way you'll feel better is to change your gender. It's a cop-out, basically. It's mostly girls who get dragged into this because they want to escape the fuckery that comes with being female, but it's not to say that it hasn't happened to boys, either.
>>43346202I do not understand how a girl would think that becoming more masculine will make her feel better about her looks. If all her life her looks are judged as "more feminine = better" (at least that is what I understood by growing up with a cister and hearing the kind of remarks people made at her)? Can you please explain how that works?
>>43345589>Increased cost of livingBut being a tranny is expensive
>>43346216if you intentionally look unappealing and masculine you're more "in control" of any potential harassment
>>43346101my point is there is hardly anyone who is "full blown trans", its always a complex blend of factors.
>>43346233Hm. Interesting. But wouldn't it make sense to stick to "temporary" kinds of ways of being more masculine and/or unappealing, so that when you are alone you get to be as pretty as you can currently be?This is starting to make me afraid that I don't understand cis women :(
it hasn't, like at all. i think true trans males/females are at abt the same level of coming out and trooning. what messed up statistics is ppl who don't medically transition (who r not trans) inflating them and self identifying. i have no stats to back this up tho cuz idc
>>43345634>Transitioning is more accessible but that still doesnt explain why its happeningYes it does lol
>>43346216It varies from girl to girl, since it all depends on the environment they were raised in. A lot of them believe their sex and appearance are less than due to typical insecurity that comes with growing up, as well as social conditioning, sexual assault, harassment, etc. Deep down, they believe that by permanently transitioning, they can escape all of these hardships, rather than learning how to handle them.
>>43345561microplastics
the answer is a mix of:-increased visibility(more young people, especially females going "am I a boy/enby?"-destigmatization of transsexualism/knowledge about what goes into being transsexual is more widely available(wtf does hrt do? what is srs? etc.)-autism(combine this with being gay and you have a group of unusually feminized males in comparison to the normal populous, not a surprise that some of them turn out to be tranners)-social contagion(primarily among trans men/enbies); there is a large subset of "trans" people that are objectively not transsexual in any form or fashion(eg. people with neopronouns, people without any dysphoria, sissies, ftfemboys, a decent portion of enby people, transmaxxers, two spirits etc. I could go on forever)
>>43345561cognitohazard
>>43345561I think like any mental illness increased social awareness has led to more people understanding themselves to have it. We can view sex dysphoria as a spectrum with some people having an extreme amount all the way to people having a moderate amount. The people who used to transition were likely those who had extreme sex dysphoria, similar to how the only people who received treatment for depression had catatonic depression. Nowadays, people know that sex dysphoria and depression exist and thus those who have lived their lives previously in a functional amount of disorder are capable of acknowledging their problem, which they may never have learned about had they lived fifty or so years ago. This argument only applies for trutrans, not nontransitioners. For nontransitioners it's just quirky.
>>43345561microplastics and women are having children at an older and older age, increasing the rate of autism as well (hence the correlation between autism and gender dysphoria)the male sex is also increasingly obsolete as all forms of labour in developed countries are less and less reliant on any of the effects of testosterone or male chromosomes. even warfare is becoming less physically demanding with the advent of drone warfare.i foresee a world of only women and it'll be very cool.
>>43346521I dont want to come off too strong, but this is an argument I've commonly seen used by TERFs and I've never seen any data or substantiation. Do you have anything like that? I just think that reducing this phenomenon to misled girls is sort of cheap when there's so much going on. Additionally I think that if this were correct we would have seen far more attempts by people to divorce from their gender historically which doesn't really seem to be the case.
>>43346521I see. That's sad because the current time is as good as it ever got for women. And somehow it is still bad enough to be willing to inflict dysphoria onto themselves :(Do you think there is any solution to this?
Biological indeterminism.Your body's role is to serve you, not the other way around.Welcome to post-dysphoria world.
>>43347121>Additionally I think that if this were correct we would have seen far more attempts by people to divorce from their gender historically which doesn't really seem to be the case.nta, but do you realize how much more difficult it was to achieve in times where HRT and such did not exist? It shouldn't be surprising that only a few lucky ones did this
>>43345561has it?
>>43345634why not?
>>43347186>Your body's role is to serve you, not the other way around.You are your body, actually. And both should strive to serve the society.
>>43347070not going to happen as, troon in industry male strength isn't going anywhere. I'm of the opinion that we've had different names for what trans is over the centuries and we're just seeing a distilled form of it now. I'm hopeful for non sexist reasons lol
>>43346841I really think so but damn I love polyester (and unfortunately that's a major contributor) and how useful plastics that don't break down in the short term are. I hate it for disposables for the most part but some uses it's still the best option I think. I wonder what it was like back when wood was something that didn't decompose. I don't remember how long ago that was though, maybe humans weren't around yet at the time? I'm too lazy to google it.Maybe we could just develop better filtration or something, and then tell women to avoid plastic when pregnant the way they're not supposed to smoke, drink, do drugs, etc. I dunno.
>>43345561nohalf of the people that troon out nowdays are men who feel unlovable and are trapped by a system that forces them into either becoming a misogynist and a tool to the "conservative" wave or submit to a misandrist onslaught of fourth wave feminism telling them that they are evil by nature and unredeemable.they have no home, and whatever was considered a home in the early 2010s has become either a madhouse for the lobotomized or a real life social panopticon where no honest thought is allowednone of the nu-troons are actually trans or have gender dysphoria, they are a desperate generation of mostly socialy orphaned men
>>43347203100% agree with the hrt but I think there would have been more movement across gendered roles if this were a phenomenon. I know gender hasn't been what we think of it now. we are also talking about a world where women were treated a thousand times worse than they are today so I just assume there would be more incentive to move from a position of low power to a position of higher.
>>43347397>so I just assume there would be more incentive to move from a position of low power to a position of higher.Fair assumption, but I think a lot didn't have the means to try to pull it off. So they stuck with what they had to
>>43345634Transitioning being more accessible == more information about dysphoria == more people identifying that they have dysphoriaI was a dysphoric little shit early in life but never had dysphoria properly outlined to me until I was in my 20s, even though I considered transitioning as a teenager and repped because I thought I was ngmi.
>>43347356top real anon. its never been more ober than now...
>>43347219Can't serve society with crippling dysphoria m8So the body must be forced to one's wishes.
>>43345603It was rough back in the day.I thought traps were just genetically lucky, didnt even know what hormones were
>>43345634>Transitioning is more accessible but that still doesnt explain why its happening.Lmao i laugh at morons.
>>43347219I spit on british society
because people still chafe under homophobia and gender rolesand people noticed that legalizing gay marriage actually did nothing to improve gay social segregation (gays are still shunned implicitly), and I think that made a lot of people desperate and pushed them over the edgetransgenderism is extreme conformity/assimilation
>>43349675People like you always think you're the smartest dont you?
>>43349867>asks question>receives answer >"but that doesnt answer my question"If you want lunatic conspiracy theories confirmed, maybe try mumsnet
>>43345561am i the only person who dates black guys without being weird about it?
>>43345561because it is being socially destigmatizedwhen the catholic church ended its policy of persecuting lefthandedness the number of known lefties quadrupled over the next decadeimagine what would happen if the church would end its persecution of trans people
>>43345589Being a tranny is expensive you window licking retard
>>43345561There's no gender dysphoria involved with heavily promiscuous males who lead a hedonistic party lifestyle. It's all rhetorical nonsense because trannies are first and foremost master manipulators..
>>43345561Remember this bitch trying to convince people she wasn't racebaiting with that one tweet?
>>43347356what should those socially orphaned men do? just accept a miserable unfulfilling life?
>>43349986Black guys themselves are weird about it.A lot are genuinely convinced you'd only date them because of bibisi
I only want to troon because of globalization and decline of culture.
>>43350130Being a tranny is like $100 a month. I hear ertrogen is extremely cheap and orchi cost 2k for lifetime of AA which you could put on credit or payments of like 100 month over 2 years.
>>43350348isnt that repfuel
I don't think it's become more common. I think more people have been able to realize what they have going on, admit it to themselves, come out, and transition. I remember back in like 2005, being the only out trans kid in a school of 3500, thinking about how many people were likely to be some kind of nonbinary/genderqueer (dysphoric or not) or binary trans in a way that could otherwise have been technically livable for years. I thought it would probably be a lot, and that my classmates would probably come out in 10-15 years or so. and they did.Some aspects of our situation in present day were truly surprising to me, but the fact that there's a shitton of out trans/nb people now wasn't not one of them.
>>43350348kinda feel the same way it feels like everyone else is just giving into hedonism but ofc if your particular brand of hedonism involves crossing the gender barrier you still get lynched
>>43352301Rly only 2 ways for aimless young men in 2026. Zoloft zombie normie, KKKiller nazi or cute tranny so mindbroken she/her wants to fellate the Chad xe complained about on incel.is during adolescence.
>>43347219Nah the body is subservient to the mind, its just a vessel for your being, and shall be weld into any form which best suits the mind
>>43352893Thats 3 ways actually but you get my point
>>43345668This makes no sense when you understand that most young transitioning people are ftm and not mtf and it has been so since like 2012
>>43347919But then you fail to serve the society properly.>>43349691lol>>43352937But it is easier to change the mind than it is to change the body. Why go with the more destructive and pointless (as you will never fully get rid of your dysphoria) method?
>>43345589this is just false correlationwhy did god make 99% of people so fucking stupid that ego and animalistic desire can immediately override most people's ability to think
>>43345899inject xenoestrogens directly into the bloodsteam
>>43346225But the idea that you'll get-a top transbian to take care of you-a man to take care of youis the dream of every troonyou spend money to make money because transwomen are sex toys trying to be the bottom male in a relationship
>>43345561has anyone said the cern particle collider yet
>>43345561Hi, 30s trooner here. I've known I was dysphoric since my first peach fuzz mustache came in, but I didn't have the words for it and didn't know it meant I should be trooning out until much later.It seems from my perspective that it's just more people figuring out what dysphoria is an that they have it.
>>43350223what am i supposed to do
>>43345634holy cringetard
>>43353416yeah thisliterally all it took was me reading the wikipedia page for gender dysphoria to be like "oh so that's what I've been suffering from"I knew something was wrong with me, I knew I was depressed, I knew I hated how masculine I was getting, I knew I got along more with girls my age and would inevitably find myself in a class full of girls whenever I got to choose a subject in high schoolI just didn't know what that all meant
>>43349951>lunatic conspiracy theorieshahahaha
>>43353416my first knowledge of trannies came from computer teacher ranting about his friend who came out as a transbian and "why would you turn into a woman just to have sex with women?" (7th grade btw)>32 y/o t.ranny
>>43346216>>43346477An awful lot of females do not care that much about being attractive. they have gotten male attention all their lives and it does not feel that special to them. in fact, in their eyes getting male attention is mostly a negative thing considering the harassment, sexual assault and intense pressure to conform to feminine beauty/behavior standards that comes with it. youll notice a lot of ftms seem to intentionally make themselves as ugly as possible when they transition. get fat, grow pube beards, get a bunch of stupid piercings, stop really taking care of themselves etc. this is usually because they see being a person and being an object of sexual desire as mutually exclusive. they have felt unpersoned by people who want to fuck them their entire lives thus far and want to get as far from that as possible.
>>43353622>why would you turn into a woman just to have sex with women?"Because this is what love looks like
>>43353625>People want to have sex with me? AIEEEEEEEEEE IN GOING INSANE SAVE ME TROONERMAAAN
>>43353625I don't quite understand how that ties into the insecurity thing that was mentioned before? Like, how can someone dislike appearing attractive but at the same time be insecure about not looking attractive enough? Are these two different kinds of ftms grouped into one? I just struggle to understand how it connects into the same kind of person. The only thing I can imagine is someone only wanting to be attractive as one gender or the other, and not both/indifferent but that doesn't sound like what you meant.>they have felt unpersoned by people who want to fuck them their entire lives thus far and want to get as far from that as possible.If this is true, then that is a very hopeless endeavour because everyone is someone's "type".
>>43345561Holy shit is picrel real?
>>43353869> Like, how can someone dislike appearing attractive but at the same time be insecure about not looking attractive enough? Are these two different kinds of ftms grouped into one?i admit it sounds contradictory but by transitioning they think theyre opting out of having to be attractive. in their eyes a fat unattractive woman has no value and they cannot imagine a life as one, they feel like even less of a person than an attractive woman. but a fat unattractive man still has value for his mind and personality and they feel they can exist without hating themselves if they are male. they are escaping comparing themselves to other women. they hate being attractive but at the same time see it as their only societal value. i see why this would be really confusing to an amab because admittedly its very complex and layered, thats why ive been grappling with this fucked up web of feelings my whole life. but ive met many other women and ftms who even if they wouldnt bring it up themselves, say they feel the same way when i put it into words
>>43354102I'm amab abd i understand it perfectly since it's just incel consensus from 10+ years ago.
>>43345561The end of tradition, the problem with the human perspective, especially regarding how we view the future, is that we pretend everyone will remain the same. In Star Trek, for example, we still have the same social institutions and the same needs, except we can fly spaceships.Instead, We are seeing the end of masculinity and femininity in real time. As gender norms break down, identity becomes a personal issue rather than a social one.
>>43354370>play [any game with near-magical future tech and customizable genitals]>there is NEVER an option to play a futalookin' at you, kyberpunç
>>43345561>>43354370Is any of that really true though? Maybe in tumblr land, but when I go outside I see normal men and women like I always have.
>>43345561Because It's like cutting or anorexia, it's a social contagion, and kids are being contaminated with it haphazardly in this morally inverted era.
>>43354402>normal men and women, What constitutes 'normal'? Do they have an obligation to fulfill in order to maintain this status, or are they just dressing and talking as whatever they identify as? Almost all social obligations requiring femininity and masculinity are gone, except for 'prole' jobs like mining and construction. However, even these will eventually be replaced by AI.
>>43354428Pretending that a change in the human psychology, resulting from technological progress is a "contagion" is like opposing the rise of the scribe class because they aren't out there flinging spears at mammoths. It's stupid
>>43345561Back in the middle ages, left handed people were deemed workers of the devil and discriminated and killed.Parents of left handed kids that didn't wanted a better life for the children would teach them to write and use their right hand as their main one in secret.Eventually, when enlightment came and social progress, left handed people were no longer deemed an abomination (though stigma around them still prevails today with products mostly made for righties) and due to this there was a large surge of people who identified as left handed for a certain time period.After that time period ended, the surge stopped and the statistics platued at the new number.TLDR; There's more people in at least 1 type of closet than you'd think
>>43354483>What constitutes 'normal'?Ugh just use picrel as a rough reference>Do they have an obligation to fulfill in order to maintain this status, or are they just dressing and talking as whatever they identify as?I never ask people that so I wouldn't know>Almost all social obligations requiring femininity and masculinity are gone, except for 'prole' jobs like mining and construction. However, even these will eventually be replaced by AI.The obligations are gone but the people I see haven't changed, I wonder what that means? Maybe they dont want to change.
>>43354402society used to be based around incentives that caused men and women to pair up. women are more independant now and thats a good thing, but it also leaves everyone of both genders but especially men feeling shipwrecked. thats why there is a masculinity crisis where men think they need to be gigachad millionaires to attract women when the reality is women just dont need them anymore and only want to marry to have kids, which is a dwindling number as living is more and more expensive and women increasingly prefer their independance over family life. its left a lot of people feeling insecure in their own gender and also opened up the possibility of rejecting their own gender for some people, why hold onto it if it no longer serves its purpose?
>>43354513i remember in pre-k when the adults discovered i was left handed they still reacted badly like something was wrong with me. it was the first time i got that treatment. left handedness is still discriminated against socially not just practically
>>43345561it hasn't. trans is a social trend similar to glam rock of the 80's. notice how many identify as trans instead of the opposite sex. to make a long story short. the amount of people with legitimate gender identity disorder has not gone up so much as many people have likened it to a fashion aesthetic.
>>43354564why is "gender identity disorder" legitimate? psychologists used to say being gay was a mental disorder. was that legitimate also?
>>43354539Forms do not constitute normalcy because fashion and aesthetics change from age to age. That is why people jokingly describe certain individuals as looking like they are from the Middle Ages. Social obligations are gone; these people simply live according to the self-identity they embrace. If they want to change tomorrow, there are no actual consequences. Just because people still play as knights today doesn't mean that being a knight is normal, because knights no longer exist.
>>43354501Jesus fucking christ.
>>43354575The categorization of "being gay" as a disorder was purely negative because it implies that the treatment is to make someone not gay. Same with "gender identity disorder" whose implied treatment was to "make someone cis.""Gender Dysphoria" is a legitimate diagnosis because there's an actual medical need there, which is to transition.
>>43354715nta but you're clearly a chud who treats nietzsche as manosphere self-help (though i think some semen retention would do you good atp)
>>43354739except transition them makes them cis. that's why it's considered efficable. if they're not cis in their body as assigned at birth we can alter the body to make them congruent in sex. that's literally the whole point of transition. to go from a to b. you're not supposed to stay in or identify with the intermediate or transitory period. that's why non-ops don't have legitimate gender identy disorder in the same way a transsexual does.it had a clear diagnostic criteria and treatment path.now, you have claiming gender dysphoria to bully others. people that make no effort to become the opposite sex, but want the same legal protections as those that do.they'll argue genital dysphoria is it's own thing because they don't have gender identity disorder. they want srs because they identify with their sex as assigned at birth. it invidates the argument for medical necessity for treatment as many are more concerned with being beautiful than being cis.
>>43345589>extended adolescenceNo the data shows puberty has been shrinking. Was supposed to start at 18, was 16 150 years ago and it's fallen to 10-12 now. Your physically a grown adult by the time a medival 20 year old was starting puberty.
>>43354807totally disagree, all of life is an intermediate or transitory period in all kinds of ways, its the "destinations" that are illusions that we've invented in order to give us something to grip.identifying with always being inbetween is a way to calm anxiety and accept yourself, its healthy. you are what you actually are, not what you think you are supposed to be. thats a mirage.
>>43354807or maybe the issue is more complicated than you care to believe
>>43354807I wonder how many ‘transsexuals’ got SRS because they felt like they had to, not because they really wanted to.
>>43354825this>>43354841many
>>43354807Transition doesn't make someone cis but it can make the lucky ones pass as cis. You have to be retarded to conflate "passing and stealth" with trying to make someone identify with their sex assigned at birth.
>>43354841a LOT, remember it used to be called a "sex change" because transition was gatekept by cis doctors who saw trannies as medical guinea pigs. now most trannies dont get SRS because they know its barbaric and they just wanna be feminine.
>>43354862It's also expensive (for good surgeons anyways) and waitlists are long and results can be spotty and people hold out for improvements to techniques
the biggest misconception that you idiots can't grasp is that being gender non conforming does not make you trans.queers are cis.non-ops aren't trans, they're just queers.
>>43354102Okay, I think I got it, finally. Thank you for your patience.From how I understand, it is like the gender reversed thing of the "transmaxxer" narrative? Or at least something similar to it.> thats why ive been grappling with this fucked up web of feelings my whole life.So this description is based on your experience?
>>43354841Isn't that just the definition of sex dysphoria though? Noboby really "wants to" cut up their genitals except freaks. Transsexuals do it because they have a need to change sex.
>>43354686To me they are normal because almost everyone looks like that or approximately like that. idk what you mean by the middle ages thinf
>>43345561Women are transitioning into men. There are not much more trans women than there used to be but there are way more ftm and enby afabs
>>43355050 #I mean because of pressure from people like the one I responded to saying you need to have it/pursue it to be trans or a woman, not because they would actually prefer having a neovagina.
>>43355168Nobody ever pressured people to get sex change surgeries. This is such a ridiculois lie that can only exist because of 2010s era transgender politics. What actually happened was that transsexuals demanded to get sex change surgeries and (very few) doctors were empathetic and understanding enough to do it. Then, later, when transgender replaced transsexuals we got these lies that people were being forced to get surgeries but they actually had to fight for those srs pussies, you couldnt be forced into having one if you wanted to.
>>43355206You don’t think people around you, people you consider to be going through the same ordeal, saying over and over “if you don’t want SRS you’re just queer not a woman” qualifies as pressure?
>>43355228that's the whole point of transitioning anon. social conformity. submission to said pressure as women are considered domiciles.
>>43355228Are you feeling pressured? Are you really going to break down and spend thousands dollars for an irreversible procedure with a painful recovery because someone said you are not a woman if you don't? How often does this happen and how sure are you that this is not a hallucination by insane transgender activists?
>>43355261Pressure isn’t always something you feel. We are social animals designed to conform, and I’m probably a lot less horrified by the prospect than I otherwise would be if I hadn’t heard all this trutrans shit.
>>43355228no. there's nothing wrong with being a cis man who likes to play dress up, if you're feeling "pressured" to receive treatment then maybe you don't have any condition that needs treating!
>>43355279In that case, pressure works both ways and its mostly coming from the anti srs girl penis crowd these days
>>43352956>easier to change the mind than it is to change the body"Brainwash yourself and change your entire sense of being" hmm I think I can recall a thing like this being done... yknow, like 70-80 years ago, a lot of the time to those deemed "negative" "antisocial" or "hysteric". Didn't work so well did it?
>>43355285Trans men/women trying to set a strict definition of what it means to be a man/woman will never not be hilarious to me. At least I know we’re stuck in the same sewer
>>43355377man = penis, strong, testosteronewoman = vagina, boobs, estrogenthis is not complex, this is how humans have categorized each other since we've existed :) you are a penis man!
conversion therapy is banned. that's why we try to make the body of the tranny blend in with society's expectations.you're not gunna make a gay straight, but you can make a tranny cis by hacking up it's genitals to something their resembles their self-identified sex.the reality is non-ops don't want to give up the privileges ascribed to their sex as assigned at birth because they're congruent in sex. hence treatment is inefficable for them.
>>43355454The only “privilege” you’re describing is the privilege to not have your pleasure center chopped up. It doesn’t otherwise make much of a difference in how we live our lives.
Always them, always.
>>43355503>pleasure centerwe are not the same. the thing that gives trannies an immense amount of shame you call your pleasure center with pride. you don't get how real ones feel.
>>43354501>technological progressWow. Meat-mâché and medically induced hormone imbalances. Such technology. It can't be a social construct without objective reality because look at all this technology guys.What's that even supposed to mean? Cutting can't be a social construct, it's just we invented these razors, see? A-and the human psychology... blah blah blah retard.
>>43345804That's an interesting hypothesis.Here's the thing though, it's something that you can bury/repress for life, but if you actually ARE trans deep down, it'll resurface regardless of your success.I'm literally in the peak of my life right now and successful both education/job-wise and dating-wise, yet I feel extremely depressed over realizing what "those" feelings were all my life after working through it and letting myself explore shit instead of burying it beneath layers of protection. It's like I've been performing for OTHER PEOPLE and dissociating through the whole thing.I'd imagine it's the same for a lot of people once you realise transgender people aren't a "separate" group, and you might actually be one of them. It's depressing how little agency we have over this shit.I can't function anymore and it's killing me from the inside.
>>43350223unironically, rage against the fading of the light.the greatest trick the tranny wave ever pulled of the last 5 years was convincing everyone in this board that people will accept you for WHAT you are if you bend yourself to fit their standards. this is just a lie, no one will ever be there for you unless you accept to love yourself amid whatever the world will judge you by or whatever they may throw at you. there was a time in wich putting lables on yourself and other was seen as a detriment to human personal development and given that all trannies inveitably end up in the pursue of becoming the same person (not the same kind of person the SAME PERSON, they all end up acting and looking the same as every other tranny) i am willing to say that they were right, labels are ment to fulfill a purpose, a usefull one. men need to be accepted for who and what they are at an early age, its a corny cliché at this point, but its more than we do nowdays.
>>43345561It's a sanctioned outlet for general dissatisfaction and dissociation
>>43345561sometimes i wonder if certain environmental factors have played a role. for example pregnant mothers being exposed to some chemicals with newly increased prevalence 20-30 years ago, fertility medications, birth controls, changes in diet (eg. consuming more kinds of preservatives), etc as a way to affect in utero hormonal sexual develop on top of social changes making it more acceptable and visible.
>>43355641Human civilization and everything around you are social constructs. Retard. The rise of LGBTQ populations is consistently associated with the rise of empires and the civilized world, which is why all first-world countries have legalized gay marriage. Even if you view it negatively, an individual can go through 'meat-mâché' surgeries or medically induced hormone imbalances and still contribute to civilization just like anyone else. In a technologically backward country, this is impossible, as rigid gender roles define everyone's lives.
>>43355899The main problem we have right now are the birth rates (or rather the problems derived from low birth rates such as unsustainable welfare state and "need" for immigration)If we can't find a way to continue our modern enlightened population we will simply be replaced by these backwards savages who don't give a shit about no progress
>>43345561Social contagion and fetishes is driving most of it. The trans community doesn't want to admit it because it delegitimizes them.
>>43355070Appealing to the majority to define 'normalcy' is exactly why I brought up age and aesthetics. It doesn't work because it implies that normalcy is subjective and has no definitive meaning outside of fashion.
>>43354908you're wrong and your argument is pointless
>>43345561has it though? online sure but trans people are still 1-2% of the population, that has not changed
>>43355980that 1-2% figure is only based on medical statistics though. there is no figure for people on diy or closeted.
>>43355931Surrogacy and adoption exist. You can play gender role games all you want, China and Singapore have tried to man up all their boys, and their birth rates remain abysmal. This is a result of post-industrial society. The only populations growing faster than anyone else are societies that pretend to live in the 18th century, like the Amish
>>43345561Because we're in the end times, this always happens. Also Jews.
>>43345634Higher autism rates from late births > porn addiction > social trendt. board certified truth teller
>>43355786esl rant tldr unloved children become lost souls
>>43355899Yes, and "trans" is a social construct that retards are trying to force into existence through censorship and violence. You think it's cool to groom kids into this shit?No thank you. Men are male, women are female, that's all there is to it.
>>43356944do you see feminine males and masculine females as lesser than masculine males and feminine females?
>>43356980No, it's just natural variation. Masculine/feminine traits show a bimodal distribution between the sexes.Do you think they are lesser? And need to troon out to "fix" themselves?
>>43357025you are good then imoi only dont like when people say there men are male and women are female but then they also discriminate against gender non conformity
>>43357053Oh I'm cool with gender nonconformity, it's PATHOLOGIZING gender nonconformity that I have a problem with.
>>43357130same
>>43357130Who draws the line where the pathologization begins?
>>43357130So you realize it's not trannies that are doing that, right? Ideal tranny outcome is OTC HRT for anyone who wants it and then people who need surgery and stuff can get a diagnosis to get it covered.
>>43356944>>43357025>>43357130you are pathologizing the gnc behavior of transitioning, terf
>>43357201>OTC HRT for anyoneFor anyone over the age of 18, yesMinors shouldn't get on HRT unless they have a seriously debilitating dysphoria>people who need surgery and stuff can get a diagnosis to get it coveredIf it can be proven with enough confidence that their quality of life would improve after transition, sure, we can cover thatOtherwise, pay out of your own pocket
>>43357188I don't know what you mean. Where we begin pathologizing is nowhere, there's no illness to fix.
>>43357401HRT for minors is literally the most important need trans people have. It's the difference between being crippled by dysphoria permanently and living a pretty normal life.
>>43357496Okay, but if you're a minor you should get it from a doctor, not from some catboy discord server
>>43357496>HRT for minors is literally the most important need trans people haveDumb shit like this is why trannies will continue to get pummeled in the public eye. You unequivocally state that going after children is your main goal. People don't like that.
>>43358034>You unequivocally state that going after children is your main goalbro you are EQUIVOCATING zoomsties are so fucking ruined by doublethink i stg
>>43358062The fuck are you talking about retard. Equivocating means being ambiguous. I am not. I will state it plainly again. People already accuse trannies of being demonic freaks. Turning around and then admitting your target is children is not a good look.
>>43357401>Minors shouldn't get on HRTeither you make all HRT OTC, including for minors, or you make puberty blockers mandatory for all minors. which would you prefer, nona?>>43357496>HRT for minors is literally the most important need trans people have.literally.
>>43358085...do you want trans kids to kill themselves and always be hons unless they're richshits?
>>43358236>more clocky trannies but safe cis kids>less clocky trannies but more detrooned cis kids with serious health issuesWhat do you think a normal person is going to choose?
>>43358261the cis kids would deserve it for being retarded medical condition appropriators, I don't see any problem there
>>43358236>if you don't do X I'm gonna kms!!Always with this hostage bullshit. Fuck off.
>>43358085>Turning around and then admitting your target is children is not a good lookyou would prefer lying about text that is plainly visibly to everyone in the thread? you are lying, then, about what that other person said. projecting, as well. odious, noxious fucking glowiestein
>>43358285>do your best to groom and brainwash as many kids as possible >uhh it's their fault!Reason #4856 trans optics are bombing.
>>43358345subhuman xitterlicking fedpedo
>>43358329>HRT for minors is literally the most important need trans people haveThat is the exact quote. That is targeting kids. Not only is it targeting kids, the statement means that targeting kids is the most important thing in the trans community.
>>43358361Stay the fuck away from kids, freak.
>>43358372targeting for what exactly? support shown in decades of studies to increase quality of life and reduce suicidality?
>>43358372notice how you SEIZE ON THE AMBIGUITY to make an intentionally false statement, in bad faith? it's because you're a mealy-mouth, equivocating bloatbag
>>43358261what are the rates of detransition and regret?
>>43358382i'm not an endocrinologist you illiterate fucking troglodyte
>>43357130no you're not cool, you're demanding additional needless suffering for gnc youth
>>43355980it has not
>>43358345Only cis people groom other cis people into faketrooning. Trans people don't want any more optics nukes walking around believe me
>>43358391>targeting for what exactly?To get them on hrt and have surgeries while still children. What makes it so egregious is that it's apparently the most important thing in the trans community. To transition kids. There is also the other elephant in the room, which they didn't state but I've seen stated before. That these things would occur with or without parental consent.The ultimate tranny dream. 8 year olds on puberty blockers, transitioned and surgically altered at 10, all legally forced without parents being able to stop it.>>43358392>ambiguityIt's not ambiguous at all.
>>43358462Lol. Essentially every tranny is deeply mentally ill. Pretending they're all rational actors is absurd.
>>43358477you are a schizo acting in bad faith and with a very poor understanding of the English languagego back
>>43358477in your hands, "hrt for minors" becomes "surgically transitioned at 10." like hitler, and all fascists, you take an ambiguity in your enemy's statements, and exploit a public ignorance, to inflate the ambiguity to a lie of massive proportions. but, unlike hitler, you are complacent, and your rhetoric lacks his frenzied, amphetamine-fueled beauty. Bring dich um, Frauleine Chud
>>43358536>stop dropping truth nukes I hate the truth Yeah I bet you do, freak.
>>43358034>going after children>it's a tranny talking about how accessing HRT as a minor was a need Kys
>>43358492you're pretending like it isn't cis people who run the show. go complain to the cis doctors who destroyed the diagnostic criteria for transsexualism and the cis gender abolitionists who leeched off a minority to further their agenda
>>43358261>more clocky tranniesYou mean more people permanently suffering?HRT and medical transition being demystified and normalized would lead to fewer rando cis children siloing themselves into transitioning and would delegitimize detrans grifters because they wouldn't be able to blame "the trans establishment"
>>43358547Literally. These lobotomites don't even know that I think surgery for minors should be MORE restrictive (basically to stop the theyFAB trenders getting mastectomies and then grifting) than they are now, even if HRT should be much more available.
>>43358547No, I've seen trans people talking about it. That's why I bring it up. Further, it's a logical conclusion to this mentally ill charade. If you believe it's for the "greater good ;)" why not surgically transition them at 10? You're just helping. They'll be less dysphoric and be able to adapt into their new gender even better, wowie! Which is also the same logic that I've seen trans people use about legally enforced transition. That it's "helping" the child and it's evil to deny them therefore any parent who would deny them is evil and the government should legally force the transition.
>>43358600holy trvke...
>>43358589>complain about the freak doctors "studying" this shit and actually performing the surgeries and prescribingI do. They should be physically removed.
>>43358601you lack a frontal lobe
>>43358617>stop telling the truuuuth!!Can't stop won't stop.
>>43358605Like, cmon, the vast majority of surgery for trannies is just to counteract unwanted puberty. Bottom surgery is there for those that need it but also deals with a lot of delicate tissue so is best saved for those who don't have as many risks, and it's entirely irreversible. You can detroon hormonally but you can't uninvert your penis.
>>43358600>something must be done to contain these raving LOBOTOMITESbut we are only a masturbation aid for the albanian repper at this point, i fear
