In the UK all the right wing political parties have vowed to abolish all welfare and make trans people illegal
>>43352994Many trans people are also disabled, and vulnerable
>>43352997>Cutting all welfare support in the UK would lead to catastrophic increases in poverty, homelessness, and public health crises, overwhelming emergency services and deepening social inequality. Existing partial cuts are already pushing hundreds of thousands into poverty, with 250,000 more people projected to fall into relative poverty by the end of the decade due to planned reductions, and 50,000 children expected to be newly impoverished
>>43352997>Vulnerable groups would face immediate devastation, including disabled individuals who rely on benefits like Personal Independence Payment (PIP) for basic living costs, mobility, and healthcare access. Critics warn such cuts would erase vulnerable people from support systems, increase dependency on food banks, and worsen mental health, with organizations like Mind stating current reforms "will only serve to deepen the nation’s mental health crisis." The UN has urged the UK to address the negative impacts of existing welfare reductions, noting they disproportionately harm disabled and low-income households.
>>43352994There was literally a thread on here where someone was saying how they cheat the system to the maximum they can. No one minds helping those who need help. But no one wants to be made a fool>>43352765
>>43353014>Housing instability would surge, as many depend on housing benefits to afford rent; without them, evictions and rough sleeping would rise sharply. >Local services like food banks, shelters, and the NHS would face overwhelming demand, increasing long-term public costs despite short-term savings. >Economic activity would decline, as reduced household spending harms local businesses, especially in deprived areas. >Social mobility would diminish, with children facing hunger, poor education outcomes, and long-term barriers to employment. >A two-tier system is already emerging, where new claimants receive significantly less support than existing ones, undermining fairness and dignity.
>>43353022Maybe another 800k net migration would solve this
>>43353017What will happen to you when the welfare net is cut
>>43353032Im not entitled to any benefits as i have savings over the threshold.Id rather the government invested more into job creation and education and less on migration and allowing companies to move workforces abroad. Take P&O fireing all their UK staff and the government did nothing. Or Cadbury being bought by an American company saying no jobs would be lost and then closed down factories and moved to Poland
>>43353061If you were to go blind today, what would happen to you?Do you have enough saved to pay for support for the rest of your life?
>>43352994Holy fucking shit this is amazing. Good job Britain. Gave me another reason to hate them. Besides their cuisine and history.
vote Labour
>>43353070I have a family and friends. There are private charities, guidedogs for the blind for instance. I wouldnt be happy taking money from the state. If someone has no family or money then sure. Thats what the safety net is for.
>>43353087You dont rate apple pie?
>>43352994> make trans people illegalI don’t know about Reform, but the Conservatives said they would maintain gender reassignment as a protected category.
>>43353105No ones going to vote for you kemi
>>43353097I love you brits deeply down. But damn does it always feel like we in America are just so so fucked but seeing europe is fucked too atleast makes me have hope we can all get through the fuckery.But much love from America. Best of luck UK Tranners.
>>43353111LGBT are natural Conservatives
>>43353112the world is kinda fucked. we just deluded ourselves in 2000s things were getting better. things have been getting worse and worse until the collapse
>>43353092You do realise welfare isnt just money given to you. It support workers, care workers, deaf and blind centers. All that would be cut.And your family would have no help. So how would they care for you when they would have to work themselves?
>>43353120You havent mentioned about the many private charities or foundations that exist.Your entire argument seems to be that welfare will disappear when they say it needs to be cut and most people agree with that for reasons such as >>43352765 which you also ignored.I mean the whole thing is pointless anyway im not voting reform, youre not voting reform we're agreed on that at least just different reasons.
reform isn’t gonna remove anti-discrimination laws or make legal gender change not allowed or illegal. they will probably ban DEI and ban trans from military, but nothing earth shattering. i mean everyone freaked out about trump, yet he only did a few things mostly minors snd can all be undo by a dem president
>>43353087People here are like "SHE HAS A ROOF AND FOOD TO EAT IM SO ANGRY!!!"But then they'll complain when masses of the homeless appearand vote for Aktion T4. A significant portion of the electorate want death. I was very sick in hospital before. I got well and my family were very angry at me, they wanted me to die. Thats just how Brits are
>>43353134Sounds like your family is kinna fucked. Mine love me
>>43353127Didnt you read the OP. Private charities would become very quickly overwhelmed and be unable to fill the vacuum left by State support.People are suffering NOW, cutting all Stare support is condemning people to death. Which is what will happen if Reform get in. You live in la la land
>>43353142My family are evil. I regret not cutting contact earlier. They keep trying to make me suicide
>>43353131400,000 trans people have had to leave their homes in America. This level of internal migration is only seen during war
>>43353154>400,000 trans people have had to leave their homes in America.alot of people leave homes for different reasons all the time, often to different ones.
I dont get why people would hate welfare. especially for their natural born citizens. Why the fuck else are you paying taxes if not to support your fellow countryman/woman.Sure theres some lazy fucks. I have family who contribute nothing. but id still rather put my taxes towards making sure we all have a good baseline quality of life then filling the pockets once again of some billionaire or funding a war.
>>43353158This is red state to blue state migration. Not one anon here believes your lies
>>43353145> Private charities would become very quickly overwhelmed so set up more. go work at your local church or soap kitchen
>>43353164Slave mentality.People like inequality. They like suffering. They like seeing others hoard vast wealth whilst they struggle to survive, if there is someone even worse off than them
I'm really worried about this. I'm schizophrenic and I depend on benefits to survive.
>>43353165>This is red state to blue state migration.great now republicans will maintain those red states for 2026 elections
>>43353169>so set up moreRequires significant financial capital investment. This is why governments took on the role of welfare in the first place, we have done this experiment already, it results in Victorian England
>>43353145Taxpayers would have more money to spend on charitable donations thoughbeit. Deporting people will aid social spending cuts
>>43353173Anon, they say its to save money. Its nonsense. Its lies. The goal is to kill us. But they cant openly say that.So they use terms like "net negative" to justify cutting our money. They get to funnel billions to the super rich, they get to kill us, and they entrench their power over workers. Work, or end up like the homeless. It will lead to vast cases of abuse and bullying
>>43353188Donations are not enough, the raw numbers show this. Again, we have seen what life is like when masses of people depend on charity
>>43353180> Requires significant financial capital investment.so find some billionaires who would fund it. the era of state welfare is over. this is the era of individualism. >buttt im trans so i can’t be individualistphilosophytube and contrapoints are both trans women, yet millionaires
>>43353164I do but we have had net migration of millions of people over the last 10years. "Your countrymen" what planet are you living on
>>43353193Billionaires are rich because they hoard wealth, not because they donate it.Relying on the charity of the rich to fufil human needs is what Karl Marx warned us about. Look at Henry Fords townships.Again, this is all well documented in history
>>43353194Well done, the government lets them in then uses them as an excuse to cut safety nets you will one day rely on.
>>43353197> Billionaires are rich because they hoard wealth, not because they donate it.they are rich from assets not overall wealth
>>43353194The people who lived there for 10+ years. Regardless of race. So long as you are a citizen, lived here long enough. Youd get welfare.
>>43353205Ignoring the rest of my post
>>43353201Yes which is why im so against mass immigration
>>43353210You only need to live here 5 years to be just as English as me or you. Bigot
>>43353210> The people who lived there for 10+ yearswho would want to move here and wait ten years? thats forever. plus my ancestors are literally scottish yet because i was born in america im not a citizen?
reform will most likely win, labour is being torn to shreds, latest poll shows they might even lose london to reform and the greens.labour and tories will become rump parties at bestmost people seem tired of the centrist status quo and want change.whether it be right wing or left wing
>>43353220I believe israel has that kind of law. the right to return or something. Im not sure thatd really make you a citizen legally but youd certainly be Scottish. 10 years isnt that. You'll have worked and survived for those 10 years and then the welfare kicks in.Doesnt seem right to just move somewhere and just expect welfare. Well in a perfect world thatd be ideal but this stuff costs money. Have to start somewhere.
>>43353231Greens are surging
>>43353212The government determines the number of visa's it hands out.Immigration isnt some amorphous monster that stalks Britian, the government could freeze all vias's for a year if it wanted to It wont because it suits the interests of the super rich. Reforms founder is a billionaire, im sure he will forgo wealth accumulation to help the poor of England
>>43353231People said this about brexit and now food banks are overwhelmed. Food banks didn't even exist in 2010
>>43353235You'll have worked and survived for those 10 years why? Thats not guaranteed at all
>>43353239Greens are our only hope. Labour, reform and tory determined to kill disabled and trans.I see it everywhere, the UK is a fascist nation. It is fascist. They openly state fascist positions, such as cut welfare for the poor to fund defence. Thats a fundanental fascist position
>>43353239yeah they struck while the iron was hot and siphoned off the far left and muslim vote over the whole israel and gaza thing.corbyns your party imploded from the start. the new left party will be the greens
>>43353258True. its not guaranteed. To minimize cost you cant guarantee it to everyone. Atleast yet.
>>43353243Im aware which is why i would never vote for reform
>>43353267Greens are insane. They will import people who hate them and be eaten alive
>>43353288Yep, thats bad, might as well be a Tory policy
>>43353288why are libshits like thisthey can’t seriously be that retarded right
>>43353367They dont actually want to win.Because the Tories did this, but never explictly said they would. The greens are naive
>>43353288I'm like super pro immigration but even I don't understand how this could possibly work. Why wouldn't everyone from every country with a really low standard of living just come to the UK? Even if you don't believe in borders at all, we live in a world where everyone else has them so if you're the only country doing this it's going to get really problematic really fast. Like, the UK doesn't have the capacity to care for everyone on the planet, it's a literal backwater shithole.
>>43353460Its going to be very chaotic. Whats that 1973 novel again...
>>43353460The Camp of Saints.Worth reading anon
>>43353267I do agree though that the greens are the best bet regardless. It's not gonna happen, though. Just get out if you can. Nothing to salvage anyway, it was always like this. Fortunately it's too weak to hurt anyone else at this point.
>>43353470I mean to be blunt I just don't buy that they're actually going to do it. It's logistically just not possible.
>>43353475If i could leave, id have left by now. Its over for me, i just want to die somewhere pleasant, not England
>>43353479I really dont mind a kinder and considerate immigration policy, but its definitely written by a left wing student whos parents are hyper rich.I think they'll try it for 6 months, and collapse the system. Put me in charge of the greens and I'll get them elected because they fundamentally misunderstand british culture.
>>43352994>vows to cut welfare>abolish all welfareThese aren't the same things
>>43353495How many deaths are acceptable to you?
>>43353507Say that to pro migration camp
>>43353507How many working people that can't afford to eat because they are spending more in tax to pay for fit and healthy people to stay off work are acceptable to you?
>>43353070Money given to blind ppl - 1% of the budgetMoney given to random brownoids with 4 kids they beat the shit out of - 99% of the budget
>43353546My queation was simple, answer it
>>43353546>welfare is when poor people can't afford to eatgod the gymnastics
>43353594What is causing the deaths?What would cause the deaths if able-bodied individuals were expected to get a job instead of getting benefits so they don't have to work?
>>43353596Right wing logic makes no sense>working people are being exploited >so we need to cut away the safety net working people will one day rely on>brown people bad>tories good
>43353599How many jobs are there?How many unemployed are there?What happens to those who cant find work, are you ok with them dying?
>>43353596You seem to not be able to understand what I said.Taxes are mandatory. You can't choose NOT to pay them.Some families spend so much on taxes, that food and rent become a balancing act.For example, did you know that something like nearly 50% of the cost of petrol/diesel is tax?That isn't including the 20% VAT added on top.And what does this pay for?My brother's ex girlfriend's mother to claim benefits for "chronic back pain" whilst playing sports, taking cash in hand jobs, buying a new 70" smart TV and a new car.
>>43353621My best friends dog is an alcoholic claiming 200k a month, its a bloody disgrace
Can someone explain to me, (not that cunt), why right wingers all say the same shit.Its like verbatim the same shit. I met one reform voting dickhead who ranted to me that his cleaners sister in law niece was an alcholic on benefits, and that she had a TV. Why do they all have the same insane stories that some three times removed is on benefits and has a phone and therefore England is ruined, i dont understand how much hatred can exist in the human heart, and why they are all repeating the same nonsense stories
It seems the truth hurts, but the benefits system should be a SAFETY NET.It's shouldn't be a way of life.If you told me you had 600 saved for a TV and wanted to borrow 50 because the TV was 650, I would be much less annoyed than if you wanted 650.I'd also be more inclined to help if you needed food instead of needing a spa day.It's not hatred at all, your mind is just so warped and twisted that you consider everything you don't personally like to be hateful.Even in my example, I don't hate the woman.She isn't the problem, the system is.The same system that treats workers as cash cows and yet also treats them as demons.Look at New York, for example.They demonise the rich, that Governor even went as far as tell them to leave.They left and suddenly there wasn't enough money and she is begging them to come back.This is why charities are more effective than taxation.I could give 200 a month to charities, but if I am having a bad month due to a burst water pipe, car needs servicing, and the price of fuel rocketed, I could choose to give less/none that month.With taxes, you don't get a choice.Also, not right wing you retard.
>>43353681>Why does this strawman say ridiculous thingsDont know mate
>>43352994the entire world is a simulation psyop to turn me further and further into socialism and i am flubbing
>>43353164I don't want my tax dollars supporting lazy people jerking off all day, I want it to provide infrastructure and securityAnd I do support it going to war, for example, killing that guy khamenei was fucking awesome and made me proud to be american
>>43352994This is a litmus test because it is obvious that Reform UK and the Restore Britain party are 'boomer' parties they will kill everyone except landowners and pensioner>>43353212All countries that try to curb immigration fail because their economic models depend on it. This is a hard pill that nobody wants to swallow. Japan and South Korea tried very hard to automate everything, only to eventually give in and use immigrant labor. Trump froze immigration and visas and ramped up deportations for months, only for it to backfire and deprive the agricultural sector of labor. That is why he had to bring them back. However, since everyone is on their high horse, believing that immigrants are only there to drain welfare and do nothing.
>>43353220>my ancestors are literally scottishall of them? or are you whatever the scottish equivalent of the "plastic paddy" is: who claims irish heritage when it's one great-great-grandparent who came over in the 1800s and whose descendants have fully americanized?
>>43354425>All countries that try to curb immigration fail because their economic models depend on it.Denmark? Hungary?
Why is every option full of policies that will kill the country? Who the fuck is the target demographic for any of these?
>>43355487Because the infinite money printer isn't real.
>>43356090then where is >>43353288 coming from? every party that seems reasonable just adds on a bunch of ultra retarded shit to ruin it
>>43352994Former chud hereHe's such a cunt. Pensioners are the reason we're fucking poor but he won't do anything about that.Also what a joke it is to call yourself a nationalist and suck up to Trump using the UK as a vassal state.
>>43356581The Greens is the pretend the infinite money printer is real party.
>>43356629All sovereign countries literally do have an infinite money printer you retard
>>43356647It's called Inflation
>>43356621Farage isn't a nationalist, he bragged about destroying the British National Party, He wanted more Pajeets instead of Polaks, the co-chair of Reform is a Moslem Pakistani immigrant.
>>43356647>t. Zimbabwe Central Bank Chief
>>43356705Imagine the trillionaire tax.
>>43356705So when are you going back on the gold standard?
>>43356758Yes that's the only alternative to issuing irresponsible amounts of fiat currency.
>>43356783>irresponsibleAnd who gets to say what that is?Almost like you're actually giving a lot of political power away to economists or bankers.
>>43356810Almost like you're a braindead reality denying libtard
>>43356783Printing ANY amount of currency is an "infinite money printer". All inflation is an infinite money printer. It's such a nonsensical objection because you need some inflation.
>>43356848Retard
>>43356848Why do you need inflation if you are managing your money properly?
>>43352994>farage>rightwingpick one
>>43356629Oh no, how dare they not to funnel money to the super rich anymore.Theres no infitnite money printer, the super rich deserve to be rich, poor people will just have to die in the street, we could never let poor people have a minimum standard of living
>>43357027Yeah he is a humble far lefty who loves the poor, and not a former gold bullion trader establishment member that rabble rouses the working class by strealing their money and then blaming people even poorer than them
>>43357197All of those sarcastically stated statements are more true than their inverse.
trannies qrd on your rights in uk?
>>43357244Are you rich?
>>43357265We're one court judgement away from mass imprisonment. We find out how serious around May 10th
>>43357628>If you don't dismiss all economic wisdom you must be le rich
>>43357197There is a minimum standard already?
Which country is documented as having the most progressive tax system at the moment?
>>43357657So why havent you killed yourself, you're a net negative
>>43352994Im Unemployed after working for years and paying out the ass in tax and council tax >UC is 400>If I earn anything it gets deducted >If I was in a council house or renting id get housing allowance>If I rented my flat to someone on UC i get paid>Because im not a worthless fucking scrounging mong I get nothing>Fight with Universal credit why I need to travel for a meeting that could take 5 minutes on the phone >Blank stares or they all agree without saying SAVE UP YOUR HRT BECAUSE A FUCKING RECKONING IS COMING. This country is fucked and creates a perverse incentive not to try. Literally at ever level is is broken and the working people are going to kick off soon and you better believe any progress made the last 50 years will slip away. I have never heard such horrific shit come out of peoples mouths. Like openly calling people trans freaks at work
>>43357664No, there absolutely isnt.Housing isnt seen as a right. They call it making yourself intentionally homeless if you are unable to pay. And therefore the local government have no obligation to house you.Also the government doesnt provide food banks, those are charities. So theres no gurantee of housing and no guarantee of food, even if you are working
>>43357690I'm not even going to attempt to untangle all the braindead libturd assumptions behind that question.
>>43357691>I have never heard such horrific shit come out of peoples mouths. Like openly calling people trans freaks at workAnon, can you elaborate. People just sit around randomly saying shit about trans people? What industry?
>>43357711We gave all the housing to (sand)niggers you voted to import sorry we're all out.
>>43353572why are you so gross and racist? hope you never get HRT you pathetic piece of shit
>>43353164Because 1 in 6 people is claiming disability and an entire country can not function with a cancer sucking resources out of it>BUT my BillionaresYes fucking kill them, work or get put in a poor house it is not OHH THEM OH NO ITS THEM every fucking enemy should be dealt with.Just put the 32 hour 4 day week in as law it fixes mental illness in work, child care reduced, massive hourly wage rise, reduces nhs cost, increases timeto exercise to cook it fixes fucking everything
>>43352994maybe stop tolerating faith? these decisions are not rooted in material reality
>>43357733To be fair, they ARE the priority...
>>43357733Oh i didnt realise the British establishment, which implemented austerity against the wishes of the public, were beholden to voters.I think you're a stupid fucking cunt that doesnt understand why they did what they did, and instead you parrot divide and rule because you are full of hate and low on intelligence
>>43357746So the government destroys the healthcare system, leaving sick people to multiple, then you call sick people a burden. You better hope you have perfect health until you die otherwise it will be you begging by the roadside
>>43353681Because like half the country knows someone scamming the system for "anxiety or a slew of conveniently untestable illness.
>>43357742You can call him gross and racist but not wrong
>>43357790you can look up his history
>>43357778The government destroyed the healthcare system by making it an open socialised healthcare system with no checks and balances.
>>43357781So in your opinion, 33 million people are scamming benefits, wow, maybe you should speak up
>>43357711Theres a minimum wage. And housing is seen as a priority for families and single mothers thats why we have council houses. As anon says. Importing 800k people every year for the last 5 years has exacerbated the situation
>>43357799Making it? You stupid fuck, its the NHS introduced in 1948 by Sneddon, you are a stupid fuck, i hate how stupid you are.Look up what healthcare was like before then
We're only making plans for NigelWe only want what's best for himWe're only making plans for NigelNigel just needs that helping handAnd if young Nigel says he's happyHe must be happyHe must be happyHe must be happy in his world
>>43357730All the ones I worked in from leisure centres, offices job sites. After getting friendly my tranny lust slips out and the shit I hear is horrific. Most of them from brickies to old women just think trans people are sexual freaks. I usually explain the difference between gay trans and autogynephilic trannies and they always click. Especially the young ones because of the shit with mr beasts friend lol.I said shitposting years ago you all need get your optics on lockdown. I could regress the trans movement 50 years by just showing normies grinder or here when 9%5 of posts is degenerate fucking shit. I mean what percentage of you are even straight? I live in Liberal Scotland and everyone is transphobic over 25 its mad. Plus the hate none whites are getting is mad but my local school was coming out the other day and it was 80% black. In my lifetime it has shifted and none of us want to turn in Wolverhampton. My visite 20 years ago was like getting the plane to Pakistan
>>43357818Anyone who works in the NHS knows its a bloated mess. I want to keep but its not fit for purpose
>>43357816Minimum wage is topped up by universal credit, the State subsidises private businesses, then the 5th column media uses those figures to anger the same working poor that welfare is out of control as a method of explaining why their lives are miserable and deprived, whilst ignoring that the ruling class are raiding the Treasury.You, and many millions of uneducated, angry brits are experiencing mass misdirection, and when the same welfare safety net you and everyone else rely on is cut, you will not see an improvement in your life, quite the opposite
>>43357761Infinite housing will magically appear if you call mentioning resource constraints hateful hard enough.
>>43357778We need to fix a lot of shit but it is all made worse because the church was the social safety net. We ripped it out imported millions of people not of our culture and destroyed society. Peter Hithens got booed off question time 15 years ago for suggestion we look at why most kids are raised by single mothers, a situation so bad that it would rival cancer as a disease. We imported that which evolved into Nigger culture in EnglandEvery member of society has a Civic duty to be strong, to manage their mental health. The NHS was never meant to deal with a mental health. We can look after the rare fully disabled but if you choose not to work then we can have sanatoriums and poor houses giving a room and the basics to survive no more. UC needs to be slashed and doubles if you work. It has to pay to work or the social contract breaks down. I will be working soon enough but if I get no benefit from a system I will not allow it to function.
>>43357761It doesn't matter whether the ruling class is beholden to voters, libtards voted for it and it happened, and attack anyone against it, like you're doing now.
>>43357847Going from 95% white british in 1990 to 73% in 2026 is not misdirection os a provable fact. You can go outside and see the effects.
>>43357831Optics mean nothing. In 2013 there were 75 articles on trans people, mostly neutral. In 2025 there were over 7000 articles, 99% negative.This is a coordinated propaganda campaign. And the hatred for people who are at best incidental in their lives is another symptom of divide and rule. These same tactics were used in Mussolinis Italy and Hitlers Germany.If trans people were 100% perfect absolutely nothing would change about the propaganda, such as today when a trans woman has a consensual relationship with a cis woman, they spin it as rape and demand removal into a male prisoner to actually be raped.They do this all the time, the anti trans talking points are repackaged anti gay talking points from the 1990s. Your fellow citizen has been fooled, and ask yourself for what end
>>43357834Its been deliberately made bloated via the structuring. They pay agencies a huge fee, who then pay nurses a pittance.They pay junior doctors a wage so low they are forced to strike, then bring in consultants to replace them for 1000x the cost daily.Repeat this for many years and chaos ensures. The leaders of NHS England and the Health Secretary have two objectives, hating trans people and funneling money into mega corps like Virgin Health and Palantir.
>>43357865Being back the workhouse is pure evil.Very on brand for brits
>>43357641> We're one court judgement away from mass imprisonment.this is mass hysteria. name one politician calling for mass round up of trans?
>>43357887They have been fooled by nothing half of you are degen transbians. Literal straight male sexuality lol. Very few people are actually trans but having a constant source of fetishist freaks talking about cock surgery at Disney land is not good. You could have rejected the ones who are just larping fetishists.It is the same as the church during the aids crisis. If they had embraced gays and said follow the bible do not be a massive slut fucking 1000 men it would have saved 100,000s of people
>>43357867No one voted for it, infact the parties lied to the uneducated, angry public.Britian is not a left wing country, it is fundamentally conservative, the left have always been fringe
>>43357907>They pay junior doctors a wage so low they are forced to strike,They got a rise and went on strike again. Doctors make much more than the national average
>>43357887> In 2013 there were 75 articles on trans people, mostly neutral. In 2025 there were over 7000 articles, 99% negative.nobody reads msm anymore
>>43357924All libtards voted for, it still do and will doxx rape and kill you disagreeing, Indeed that's what the Green party explicitly stands for.
>>43357887>In 2013 there were 75 articles on trans people, mostly neutral. In 2025 there were over 7000 articles, 99% negative.Gee, I wonder why, could all the boykisser discords, Yanivs and Chris-chans, women sports hysteria, censors and language-controllers like Keffals and all other obnoxious trans people doing bad rep for trans issues have something to do with it? Nah, all trans people are 100% perfect creatures with zero flaws, it must be propaganda
the issue at hand is trans people going from being required to be sterilized and undergo sex change surgery to now simple self id to declare themselves trans. All you have to do is say you’re trans and you legally are. im sorry, nobody takes you seriously if you don’t have bottom surgery. and you have no excuse in a socialist healthcare system
>>43353164My theories are:1) The rise of the middle class. In the second-half of the 20th century home ownership and incomes went up. Wealthier people vote more conservatively. 2) Poverty has become invisible. The average welfare recipient lives in a home with running water and heating, internet, wears branded clothes, are overweight. It's easy to look at such people and deny they are struggling.3) Racism. A lot of welfare recipients tend to be minorities so people who are racist oppose welfare purely for this reason.
>>43357962why are all anglophone leftists this retardedeuro leftists seem to be more reasonable on this
>>43357818I was talking about the modern day healthcare system.Many non-citizens are provided a number of free services such as GP services, family planning services, etc.Even for services that need to be paid for "theoretically", a 2025 report indicated that the NHS failed to recover over £250 million from overseas visitors between 2021 and 2024.The NHS is also on the hook for costs relating to UK citizens that opt to go abroad for elective surgeries for cheap who then face complications afterwards.Urgent Care has become a joke, with people sitting for hours waiting to be seen because of the number of people utilising the services is absurd, with many of them being people that migrated to the UK from areas such as North Africa, where they passed through roughly 8 other countries before getting to the UK.The UK is a collection of 1 island, and part of another island with a population of 70 million.The UK combined (with N.I) is smaller than approximately 10 US states.Take N.I out and it is smaller than more (just for some perspective for the Americans. California has 39 million and is around 75% larger).There was that report where it showed that many of the healthcare professionals that came to the UK might not have even sat their own exams in their country of origin.Go back even just 15 years and the NHS wasn't the shit show it is now.
>>43357916The guidance released by the EqHRC will demand total segregation of trans people in society.
The ruling class had no choice but to enact segregation laws because trans people are weirdt. average low iq 4chan poster
>>43358058What's wrong with segregation laws
>>43358044> The guidance released by the EqHRC will demand total segregation of trans people in society.does it? it hasn’t been released due to woke labour. from what i have see, trans women will have to use the disabled unisex bathroom going forward. i don’t see that as nuremberg style laws
>>43353847Safety nets are inefficient. Means testing costs money to implement and is ironically what causes benefits to be a way of life for many. Firstly, if you only help someone once they have crashed out rock-bottom they are less likely to be able to ever recover. Secondly, if you make welfare dependent on certain rules people will start shaping their lives around this. It's called the welfare cliff.
>>43358067>from what i have seeSo, useless then
>>43358066Disingenuous
>>43358023Because they have a burning need to be seen as morally better than everyone else.They are too stupid to take into account things that can't be changed in any meaningful way such as>>43358038>The UK is a collection of 1 island, and part of another island with a population of 70 million.>The UK combined (with N.I) is smaller than approximately 10 US states.>Take N.I out and it is smaller than more (just for some perspective for the Americans. California has 39 million and is around 75% larger).They fight for open borders, but it will only be the UK's borders that will be open.What then?A population of 80 million? 90? 100?All the while, the simple fact remains...The UK is an island nation.It can't grow, it can't spread, there isn't a quick and easy border with another country/state that can be driven over.
>>43357691Do you own your flat? How are you paying the mortgage?
bad things are happening to england because God is punishing you for 1000 years of violence and greed
>>43358077But if you squeeze more and more out of the general tax payers, it will get to the point where THEY will need the benefits.And that becomes a death spiral.99 pay for 1, another can't pay so goes on benefits98 pay for 2, another 4 can't handle the additional tax burden.94 pay for 6, it goes on.Around this point you'll have people leaving too so the total pool won't be 100, it will be 97.
>>43357887I agree but I think it's partly down to optics. It's largely coincided with the push to de-medicalise being trans Even that term is part of the problem. Before it was a simple sell, you cut your dick off or at least actually look like a woman you're now a woman. Now it's how you feel?
>>43358015UK has always been a middle class country though. Napoleon called us a nation of shop keepers
>>43358173"just print more money!" arguments are puerile however they have a point considering taking money from workers at gunpoint isn't the only way to raise funds. One person said they are paid £400 a month UC. That's £4,800 a year. Do you know how easy it is to make that much money? Literally just £96k in some fund paying 5%. Norway figured this out, why can't we?
>>43358145My folks gave me some cash, sold half my shit then use the uc to pay it almost in full. If i did not have my folks I would have to miss payments destroying my credit, take a loan id have to pay back as interest while everyone other than people actually trying in life get money for housing or get it free lol. Its a fucking joke.If I do not find something and they they try to take my house you will read about me on the news because at some point I gotta make my stand. I got nothing to lose lol
>>43352994but there's no fucking jobs in Britain outside of London, what are they hoping to achieve killing off welfare?
Welfare spending in the UK is the lowest in Western Europe, yet this doesnt stop evil people demanding more poor people die on the street
>>43358120?
>>43358198Home ownership rates have gone up since then. Even to this day over 60% of the country are homeowners.
>>43358292>what are they hoping to achieve killing off welfare?Isn't it obvious, they want to repeal welfare, repeal human rights and repeal workers rights. If theres no safety net, you are extremely dependant on your job, and this makes you vulnerable. The UK is a fascist state, it has been killing the poor and disabled for some time now, Reform just want to accelerate it
>>43358313All good in theory but like I said, there's no jobs outside of London so if this is their actual plan then I guess they're just that retarded? Either that or they wholly believe in the idea that the future of Britain is just London being a special economic zone while the rest of the island is just no-man's land.
>>43358292Theyre not killing it off theyre simply reforming it. Theree are a lot of jobs outside of London. But most jobs were systematicly destroyed so once great cities were broken forever
>>43358192Thats the thing about propaganda, you mix bullshit and lies.Like classifying cis women who rape as trans women. You have to spend time explaining the bullshit to people, and by then no one cares. Repeat this hundreds of thousands of times and the public turns against trans people. Anti trans voices were always fringe, like flat earthers. The public didnt care. Then the Tory government realised it distracts from brexit.Notice how everyones angry at trans people, but not angry how there are more economic sanctions on the UK than even Russia. Did you even know? Do the people who hate trans people know?
>>43358268Based killdozer dude, fuck the system! The housing allowance rules are total bullshit. It's an example of what I said here >>43358077 the end game is you lose your house and then some Reform asshole will complain that you now need housing benefit which was caused by not helping you in the first place. The worst part is that most housing benefit goes to paying someone's mortgage anyway via rents to landlords. Yeah I'd just take in a lodger and take payment in cash. Fuck em.
>>43358371>theyre simply reforming it.We're not shooting people in the head, if you starve to death that's unfortunate
>>43358292Yes I always wonder how these schemes are supposed to work in places like Grimsby and Blackpool where no-one has a job.
>>43358371Reforming it how? Because it's already strict enough as it is, there isn't a lot of wiggle room left to tighten the leash without just straight up denying people's payments off mass.
>>43358397Kek yeah exactly and if you got say 90% of your wage for 6 months I could find a better job and contribute more. My life has made me so pissed off the only good i can say >I got a free csc card that got me out of being an neet for 10 years and helped me buy the flat>I bought it with a scheme that the gov owns a share Apart from that I am so apathetic with the entire system. The police are even worse. I slept with someone on a night out and got falsely accused after she followed me home andjumped on my dick. I reported it when I found out what she said to the police and it tookthem 15 months to even look at it. I asked if they collected all the cctv fromthe times and locations I gave them and nope. I asked how they can do a fair trial without evidence and they just shrugged. At some point we got so involved in these system they are forgot they govern / police by consent from us. If we decide someone dies we can just do. The ystem requires buy in we are not just a resource to fucking exploit. Something like 98% of thefts never get solved. Years between rape accusation and any actual investigation. The government has failed, the police are failing and we have a moral duty to fight them if they do not fix things. The mass immigration against the will of the public was the last time they will do that and live
>>43358426They recently cut the Health Element by 50%It will drive disabled people into grinding poverty and misery. Yet it isnt enough, people are angry and desperate for more death.British people are evil. Pure evil
British people are evil.Why arent Europeans as angry at trans people? Because the propaganda is centered in the UK. More nations recgonise trans rights than don't. The UK is just a hateful dump
>>43358495This was an odd policy. Now there will be two equally disabled people being paid different amounts of welfare. And it further incentivised those on disability to not try to come off. I recently told my aunt to not bother looking for a job for this reason.
>>43358545You would be insane to come off disability now.
>>43358495I don't think people just appreciate how thouroughly things got fucked during the 2008 GFC when the tories thought it was a good idea to practice fucking AUSTERITY on their population and it's just been one bad leadership after another since then. At this point I think the solution is simple, isolate and quarantine England. Keep Scotland and Ireland free though because they're alright and much easier to intergrate into the EU as a whole.
>>43358555Look at the other anons comments, Scots are openly calling for trans people to be killed. Its bad. You have to nuke Scotland too, it houses JKR.There tens of thousands of nukes, the whole of the isle's should be sank
>>43358576Alright, we're still keeping Ireland though because they have a really interesting history.
>>43358587Ireland can stay.Absolutely torn on Wales. I think Wales needs protection. London burns immediately.
>>43358426Its obviously not strict enough as there was an anon here saying they just lie to get the maximum
>>43358619Just London?For the past 10 years I have been thinking more and more>"Was Guy Fawkes ACTUALLY the bad guy?"
>>43358626Then the problem isn't the strictness is it? It's the lack of enforcement against fraudsters. Making it even stricter then it is will just needlessly punish honest actors even more.
>>43358587Irelands history is more interesting because! I mean have a population of 400,000 and 500 kings is pretty wild
>>43358638>Making it even stricter then it is will just needlessly punish honest actors even more.Hello literally every law in existence ever
>>43358554I keep trying to tell my family this but most don't get it. It's not just the fact that after taxes and expenses I wouldn't even be much better off on minimum wage but every time I time I came off benefits they made it a nightmare to reclaim. The last time was 2015, I tried university but dropped out. They had me on JSA for about three months because they rejected my ESA claim, it was excruciating. Had to write down about 30 "jobs that I applied to" in some journal then every two weeks I'd be grilled over it. Then came the appeal tribunals. I got back into the ESA work group. Now only got harassed every three months. One day I got a letter saying I got put in the support group and as far as I'm concerned that was my retirement letter. I am done. People will look at me and say I'm a scrounging scumbag but this is ENTIRELY due to the system. I wanted to keep trying university and get a career in STEM but it's just not worth the risk any more.
>>43358648You're not getting the point.Fraudsters are gonna fraud the system regardless.Ideally you should be spending time and resources going after them.Making the current system stricter just hurts everyone else while the fraudsters still continue to fraud the system.That's not really reforming the system is it? You're just making it worse for everyone involved.
>>43358669People are angry, stupid and dumb, their opinions mean nothing. They're going to vote to take away their own human rights
>>43358670They do go after them
>>43358742>>43358670Fraud is as low as it can possibly be without breaking human rights laws, which they do
>>43358742Then why continue punishing everyone else through the needless tightening of the conditions?
how many of you are communists here?
>>43358670I'm actually pro-fraud now. The popular view of fraud i.e some random guy deciding one day he is going to make up an illness and live off that is genuinely rare. Most "fraud" is not declaring something so as to not get fucked over by the limits. These limits are too low and in many cases illogical. Even those that "make up illnesses" most of the time their illness is real but it's all or nothing with the benefit system. Can't say you are okay most of the time or they deny you. But you are still unemployable.
>>43358778Thats how laws work
>>43358800Sounds sustainable
>>43358803Laws are designed to drive people into poverty, desperation and suicide?No wonder everyone hates your dump nation
>>43358803Well all I can say is good luck to them. Maybe if they want to fix things maybe then shouldn't create such retarded laws in the first place.
>>43358823>man shoots up school only time it happened in the history of the UK>changes the law>no one else can have an automatic weapon ever again>no school shootings ever againYou see how most people who had an automatic weapon were fine and didnt go round shooting up schools but one person did so they changed the law. Are they punishing everyone for one persons actions or are they protecting people so it doesnt happen again?
>>43358798All the ones that want free stuff
>>43358823>No wonder everyone hates your dump nationIf only then they wouldnt come here in their millions
Brits are pure evil.Spit on themhttps://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1surp6o/uk_goverement_commits_genocide_against_disabled
>>43358844Thats how england works, it always does blanket bans, first day alive?
>>43358882r/ukpolitics is right-wing btw.
>>43358859Because they dont know any better, then they get here and think "this is fucking awful"Your country is fucking awful. Sorry that fact upsets you, its a crumbling dump. Most deprived dump around. Poland is better.Your leaders steal all your money, then tell you to hate the disabled, and you oblige.
>>43358907Its far right. They routinely call disbaled people "net negatives" as though the right to human life is determined by wealth. Unless you earn hundreds of thousands, everyone is a neg negative, doctors, ambulances, hospital stays everything costs. Its a disgraceful way to refer to human life
>>43358882>First comment instantly disproves the claimDid you even read it
>>43358844Does that mean there was a time when automatic weapons were legal in England but not in the States? Because IIRC they've been banned there since Reagan. Dunblane happened in 1996 right?
>>43358928>disproves >snarky bullshitIts genocide, and the OP is wrong, it isnt 100k, its 350k. Happy now?
>>43358930gun bans are right wing btw
>>43358939Was funny watching the ICE murders make Reddit liberals go pro 2A while r/conservative started saying it's okay to be shot just for carrying.
>>43358965great, if only UK liberals could see how stupid they are with gun bans.
>>43358914Well again if they did they would leave but sadly they don't. A lot if foreign born people are ob benefits or have been giving housing>poland is betterOk and? >Your leaders steal all your moneyNear universal >then tell you to hate the disabledPeople dont hate the disabled. I certainly don't. Proveably there are many people taking advantage of the welfare system that is in place to protect the most vulnerable
>>43358939It's not a gun ban though.It's a gun restriction.The government can have guns, just not the people, except farmers and the rich.
>>43358936There have only been 60k suicides in the last 10years. So 350k is an insane lie
>>43358882>Canada literally kills the poor and depressed>The UK can't figure out how to give people benefits fairly and efficientlyBloody Brits
>>43359001Just because someone is foreign-born doesn't mean they're not a citizen.
>>43359001Lol i love how you're like "so what the leaders impoverish me"Hahahahahahahahh
>>43359045MAID is fucking dystopian.
>>43359017Its not a lie, you are the liar.Provide source on 60k, you cant, liar
>>43359045Britain drives people into suicide, that funny to you?
>>43359071Thats not what i said or implied. Simply that its a universal aspect of the corruption of power
>>43359081https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2024registrationsYoure just baiting me
>>43359102What you said is nonsense. Britain has such extreme mental health issues, not paying the most desperate results in mass societal collapse
>>43359109No, i hate you and i hope you suffer how you want others to sufferhttps://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/over-330000-excess-deaths-in-great-britain-linked-to-austerity-finds-study
>>43359065But we import people who then become a burden to the state? For what purpose? To keep wages down? Boris johnson admitted the Boris wave was basically human quantitative easing
>>43359130So thats not 350,000 suicides is it
>>43359136>weThis anon thinks he is a member of the establishment and not a statistic
>>43359094A girl wasn't allowed to back out of an assisted dying because her organs were already assigned.Is that something you celebrate?
>>43359116Which part is nonsense? Saying leaders being corrupt is not unusual? Bizarre that you think i condone it just for pointing it out. Youre all over the place. I would say society is collapsing but not because of cuts to welfare
>>43359144Deaths. Happy now? You want more, i know, many bad people like you around
>>43359170Well youve already been shown to be a liar so i guess more lies wont hurt you.
>>43359159Source>>43359162>your government embezzled public funds to tune of hundreds of billions, deicmating public services indefinitely, leading to a catastrophic increase in poverty, inequality, crime, health conditions and deaths>lol so what, other countries are bad
>>43359179You're happy people die as a result of govt policies
big ben go bing bong
>>43359202I simply pointed out that the statement about suicides was proveably false. I then provided proof you moved the goalposts and started saying i wanted people to die and some how that makes sense in your mind
>>43359223You are happy masses of people have died
>>43359190>your government embezzled public funds to tune of hundreds of billionsDid it? Who are you quoting?
>>43359235Go and do some research
>>43359231Because i said some statistics were false.
>>43359247Not false, 350,000 died. Condemn govt policy now
>>43359262They were false and you already admitted it.
>>43359136I live in the home of unemployed immigrants (London) and these stats are likely caused by the women not working and it being okay for the young and elderly to live at home. I've never seen a middle-aged unemployed Asian man. The black stats, especially the West Indians are probably accurate though. Lots of 40-50 year olds hanging around outside the bookies. Ironically they are the only group who aren't recent imports.
>>43359273You are a bad person. Its a shame you werent in those figures
>>43359246But its your claim? Im just asking you for some proof or even just a bit more information. Like which government stole 100s of billions the current government? The last one? All governments since 1700?
>>43359283Bizarre
>>43359294https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Mone
>>43359281Why does that make it not accurate?
>>43359336So you meant 100s of millions not billions? Well i would agree she should be in prison or worse as should the politicians who okay'd the deal
>>43359339Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs), particularly the Private Finance Initiative (PFI), have been criticized for diverting significant public funds into private hands through high-interest private borrowing and long-term contract payments that often exceed initial investment costs. High Return on Investment: Critics argue that private investors have made large returns from PPP deals, with the Treasury Select Committee noting that departments are effectively overpaying for risk transfer. For example, Barts Health in East London received an initial £1.1 billion private investment but is committed to paying £7.2 billion by 2048, a six-fold increase. Cost of Private Debt: Private sector borrowing costs are typically 2% to 3.75% higher than government borrowing rates, meaning the public sector bears a structural premium that flows to private financiers rather than improving services. Off-Balance-Sheet Accounting: A primary driver for PFI was to keep debt off the government’s balance sheet, allowing the state to bypass borrowing limits while committing future taxpayer revenue to private contractors over 20–30 year periods.Conflict of Interest: The implementation of PFI involved Partnerships UK (PUK), a partially privatized entity staffed by private sector specialists, which critics argued created a conflict of interest by promoting a model that benefited the very firms managing it. Policy Shift: Due to these escalating costs and perceived failures in value for money, the UK government scrapped new PFI and PF2 contracts in the 2018 Autumn Budget, with Chancellor Philip Hammond stating that PFI did not deliver value to taxpayers or effectively shift risk.
>>43359190I'll have to find where I read it in a bit as I wasn't interested enough to remember details and can't be assed to wade through all the issues surrounding doctors killing people and Christine Gauthier being offered MAID whilst trying to have a wheelchair ramp installed.
>>43359356https://newint.org/blog/2018/01/18/UK-exporting-PPPs
>>43359373https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/09/hs2-already-billions-over-budget-with-work-just-over-halfway-done-says-rail-boss
>>43352994UK about to go back to victorian-era workhouse culture and trannies aren't gonna make the transition
>>43359388They wouldnt even make them as pretty as victorians did
>>43359005its inherently fascist to restrict guns
>>43359598Of course it is.It's merely a power move."All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state" (Italian: Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato) is a 1925 slogan by Benito Mussolini defining Italian Fascism. It signifies total state control over public and private life, aiming for a totalitarian regime where no organization or action exists independently of the state.
do i just kill myself? i dont want to live in this shitty nigger rape country
>>43359339Because it's framed as a bunch of people kicking rocks when in reality they are running efficient multi-generational households where the women do the house work and child rearing and the young men stay at home while they study for a career or start their own business.
>>43359388> UK about to go back to victorian-era workhouse culture and trannies aren't gonna make the transitiontrannies existed during the original victorian era workhouses. alot were prostitutes.
this thread is literally lefty pol the thread. what does this have to do with /lgbt/?
>>43362458>alot were prostitutesno new things under the sun
>>43354659Using Denmark and Hungary as examples is poor reasoning. Both are small countries and are not primary migrant destinations, might as well include the Vatican. France and Germany are essentially the heart of Europe, and the surrounding countries tie their economies to them. Using Denmark and Hungary as a baseline would be like a Republican using Wyoming as an example of a place with no immigrants doing well while ignoring New York and California.Denmark still has a growing population of foreign descendants (the largest being of Turkish origin), They simply push their problems on Germany. Meanwhile, Hungary leeches off EU welfare; they are essentially guilty of what they accuse immigrants of doing.
>>43358292We need goverment guaranteed employment
