>>43357546
i will answer this in good faith even though i fully anticipate the opposite. to understand this, you have to first separate religious people from religious teaching, because religious people often do not read nor understand actual religious teaching as passed down and preserved from church history and church fathers and mothers

Christianity is unique in that it pays special attention to the weak, the broken, the sick, the abandoned, the poor, the forgotten. Christ himself was spat upon, beaten, abused, hated, and cursed, even to this day and quite lilkey this very thread. And through it all, he still maintains such love even to his enemies, and calls us to do the same, to love our neighbors even as they hate us with every breath

who else can offer such comfort to those suffering greatly, that they may find peace in their heart instead of pain and anger in the world? for Christ himself has said, that if the world hates you, they have hated him first, and that he brings peace not from this world

if you think being trans disqualifies you from the spiritual life, then you are implying Christ's mercy and kindness is weaker than sin. It is not and the door open, difficult as it may be, but that is the cross called to carry. Remember, church is not a club for saints but a hospital for sinners. Medicine is often bitter, but for your benefit

the short answer though is you have to be celibate and not propagate gender ideology, keeping to yourself in peace, silence, prayer, and repentance not just for yourself but for the world as it continues to despise you, as the world does for anyone who seeks to live in peace and quiet

and why not protestantism you ask? well, it is simply not the church that Christ founded, its teachings inconsistent and contradictory even among themselves, as well-meaning they are

>>43357546
I'm a UU but I worship a succubus. Sexually and non-sexually.

>>43357661
not OP but have you ever read "the birth of tragedy"? the suffering of christ, as a god become human, was first introduced to the west in the dionysian mysteries (the form of greek tragedy), which themselves were a shadow of the sufferings of vishnu's avatar. why not worship dionysus, as a tranny? he's a hermaphrodite himself, in some depictions

>>43357723
i have not personally read that but it sounds interesting. my simple answer to your question though, is that one's identity cannot be reduced to sexuality. human dignity is worth so much more than that. sexuality is a part of us, to be sure, but Christ's call is addressing the human condition of sinfulness itself, not the denial of suffering but in able to take the pain and redeem it. this will not make sense to most people, who live only to secure and maximize their own pleasure, comfort, and fleeting happiness in the world, even though it will all be taken away

what benefit would worshipping a tranny get me? worshipping myself by proxy? justifying myself? do not get me wrong anon, i have already done and tried that, and it only lead me to ruin. i have been suicidal so many times and finally found peace. because it is true, that those who try to save their own life will lose it, while thos who lose their life to Christ will find it

>>43357661
yeah that makes sense. dont worry im asking in good faith. i read the NT and gospel of thomas, raised in catholic school, and i'm upset that catholicism creates such a rift between me and my family. i know very well that being trans doesn't disqualify someone from the spiritual life, but i still don't understand the logic behind being in the church in particular, specifically the catholic church - especially as you mentioned, religious people often do not read nor understand religious teaching. it just seems counterintuitive, would you have to just boymode in church as a passoid for example? and marriage is certainly out the window right? not to mention the vatican frowns upon HRT iirc. i guess what i'm trying to say is i'm more concerned with the practicality of joining a local church or getting confirmed for example when the majority of them hate you and for no christian reason whatsoever.
>>43357678
what's the succubus's name?

>>43357883
>what's the succubus's name?
I don't think She'd like me sharing Her name on 4chan. But I can tell you more about her. She likes making music and has released a number of songs online. She likes Stalker Gamma, Osu, and Elden Ring.

I'm a Catholic because it's the truth, not because it conforms to every opinion I have.
How could anyone believe in some random protestant nonsense with zero apostolic succession when the church CHRIST Himself founded is right here.

>>43357858
i'm happy you found peace. my point was more that the idea of a god incarnating himself as a human to save humanity has been around vastly longer than christianity. even schopenhauer was able to trace the form of the semitic bodhisattva back through the upanishads. christianity does not have a monopoly on tending to the suffering of the meek. i actually think it does this rather poorly. all in earnest response to your rhetorical question, "who else can offer such comfort?" but, like i said, i'm happy it works for you

>>43357922
I don't see why anyone would worship someone who you can't even see and feel and talk to anymore.

>>43357937
It makes me feel safe and happy :) so I know there's something right about it

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>>43357937
Christ is really present at every Mass.

Also picrel for the Catholic trannies in case some of y'all are ignorant about the Magisterial teaching on transitioning.

>>43357974
Written by a Bishop who rejects Vatican 2

>>43357950
How the hell does this church make you feel safe and happy when they screed out stuff like this?
>>43357974
Any tranny that isn't suffering from delusions finds these statements threatening, full of lies, misunderstanding and evil

>>43358016
1. He doesn't. At worst he criticizes some of the statements as vague or misleading in their formuation
2. He cites Vatican 2 documents as support for doctrine multiple times in the book

I’m Roman Catholic but not a tranny. I’m a chaser.
I know when I find my dream tgf we can’t get married in the church. That’s fine. I don’t need them to accept her, just me. I know God has already made her perfect for me.
I hope she would be religious too, but if not...well I get it.

Methodist make me sick though. A woman priest? No thanks.

>>43358068
>"I am a Roman Catholic sodomite."
>"B-b-b-b-but four female ghostbusters? The feminists are taking over!"
just say you hate women

>>43358046
God speaks to me so I know I'm okay

>>43358084
I hate women.

>>43357883
it give me both joy and heartbreak that you cling to faith yet feel so alienated by it. Everything you described is true. it is indeed immensely difficult, especially within family. I do not have a clear answer except to pray for you, genuinely, that you do not lose heart, and see it as a great trial that God will not forget. i will answer your questions now more directly for your ease

>i still don't understand the logic behind being in the church in particular, specifically the catholic church - especially as you mentioned, religious people often do not read nor understand religious teaching.

the logic here is a bit blunt, but please understand as for your benefit. it is better to find bitter and painful clarity than self-deception. Catholicism is Christ's church, it is the church in which he entrusted Peter (Matthew 16:18) and calls upon him to shephard his flock and feed his sheep (John 21:15-17). One may not like the truth, but it is truth. It is Christ's church, and thus, it is the path to the way, truth, and life

>it just seems counterintuitive, would you have to just boymode in church as a passoid for example?

personally i went all the way the way, the works, surgery and all, and with 10+ years hrt am able to pass. Catholic Mass in particular often has crowds, so I enjoy my anonymity there. I go to church for the Eucharist, not to chit-chat or socialize

>and marriage is certainly out the window right?

yes but you have to understand this in context: priests and the religious also do not get married and have to maintain celibacy. So if cis people can do it, so can you

>not to mention the vatican frowns upon HRT iirc.

actually it is a gray area, and is likely to stay that way. The sick, injured, in pain, are right to take medicine. Christ after all, brings healing. The danger is when being trans is presented as lifestyle, ideology, or as fetish. Even then, if one sins, then do what you must, confess, repent, be at peace

>>43358105
lol ok got me. but wasn't that much simpler?

>>43357661
>its teachings inconsistent and contradictory even among themselves
That's the point, I don't want some bureaucratic institution deciding what should I believe in, I want the freedom of studying faith on my own and I don't really care if other people come to different conclusion studying the same faith

>>43357883
> i guess what i'm trying to say is i'm more concerned with the practicality of joining a local church or getting confirmed for example when the majority of them hate you and for no christian reason whatsoever.

please forgive them for they know not what they are doing. Do what you can to be confirmed, exercise wisdom and discretion and perhaps work closely with a wise enough spiritual director. Personally I just keep a low profile, I know I may not be personally welcome, but the house of God welcomes all whether the people there like it or not. I beg you, see your soul is more important than your sexuality and do not let anyone tell you otherwise. And if you must fall, know that you can still return, for God will never abandon you

I guess I'm vaguely religious but I could never be a Christian.

>>43357917
oh it's 4lung ok

>>43358270
Nope. You probably haven't heard of Her.

>>43358153
that is admirable anon, and i agree with you wholeheartedly that you shouldn't let a bureaucratic institution tell you what you think or believe. but consider, that if an organization says, 1+1=2 , would you rebel against that? the organization is only as valid to the extent it represents truth, and if it does, then so it is. If it doesn't, then that is the role of councils and change within the church

because if the church is as the Christ appointed and continues to be preserved, then the truth cannot be altered even if we may not like it

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>>43357546
I'm religious but I'm far from the norm, even though I call myself a Syncretic Catholic.
My religious beliefs come as a result of personal and academic readings, some of my beliefs only coming as a result of university classes.

The way that I see religion, especially Christianity, is that it is ultimately a continuation of all the belief systems that came before it, even retaining so much of the older beliefs but changing the names. I used to consider myself more of a Heathen, internalizing traits from the combined Indo-European religions; the worship of nature, the symbolism of the deities, the way they interacted with poetry/theatre, etc, but I have gained an appreciation for Christianity after reading texts from the middle ages.

What I got from all the reading that I did (I read the Bible twice, stuff from Aquinas, St. Augustine, all kinds of books on Heathen stuff, Kierkegaard, countless anonymous texts from the middle ages, Hildegard, Simone Weil, Bede) is that a religion is just a mirror of the living person and it's comfortable to use symbols to guide you along your little life on Earth, or Middle-Earth, if we consider both waters. I personally see myself as just another living example of an elf, an Enarei, a Seiðr, and all the other versions that existed across cultures. I started changing my style of poetry to mimic mystery/morality plays from the middle ages because I love how they were able to take stories they knew and make them relatable by turning it into conflicts that people dealt with at the time. I especially like the Shepherds' plays.

When it comes to the views of organized religions I just like to internalize that everything everyone says is not absolute and is more like a decision to be followed or questioned. The Bible is brimming with incredibly horrible people who did unimaginably horrible things but the way that I see it is that you're supposed to read it as a warning or as an example of what not to do, what to hate.

(cont)

>>43357974
there must be an attitude that church is a hospital for sinners and that all are welcome. No one is perfect, plenty of cis people have skeletons and sins in the closet. Murderers and thieves have comitted grave and great sins before God, are they now denied entry? No, and in fact, the thief at the cross with Jesus was told first hand by the Christ himself that he will enter paradise (Like 23:43)

a Christian does not condemn his neighbor, no matter what gender they are

Every day I beg God to forgive me for being a worthless sinner

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>>43358348
(cont)

Abrahamic religions have been slowly dying off anyway and I truly believe that we are living in the exact same moment in time when Christianity overtook Heathen religions in Europe. The religion didn't exactly kill off the old religions, it was the next stage. I believe that with time passing religions are slowly entering a next stage that we don't know how it will look.

Every person is a creature of their time and our time has seen a lot of social changes just like the amount of changes that happened in late antiquity/early middle ages, if we simply use stories like the Shepherds' Plays, if we use symbolism like the sacrifice of Jesus, his Harrowing of Hell, then what we are doing is exactly the same that people have been doing for thousands of years before Christianity was even around.

Sol spins around us, Mithra slew the bull, and Manu formed the world with Yemo's remains.

>>43358409
>Every person is a creature of their time
>Sol spins around us, Mithra slew the bull, and Manu formed the world with Yemo's remains
i love what you're saying but don't you think you have to pick one? or do you believe the existentialists and proto-existentialists are foolish to believe anyone can surmount the zeitgeist?

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>>43358468
>i love what you're saying but don't you think you have to pick one? or do you believe the existentialists and proto-existentialists are foolish to believe anyone can surmount the zeitgeist?
Let me put it simply; I see all of these religions as one and the same and Christianity is the evolution of them. Is the bull not like Jesus. slain by mankind? What about Yemo, who was killed by her twin to form the world? And Jesus was slain to harrow hell. Heck, Sol was even looking down at Mithra as he performed the sacrifice.

The similarities and moral constants are too many; gods in most IE religions often disguised themselves as the meek to test how we would treat them in their time of need and what did Jesus say in Matthew 25.31-25.46? We worship saints and call for their aid the exact way we call for the help of minor deities, heck even ISLAM took Allah who was a protector of people in need from older religions.

My endgame?
The living creature is the endgame and everything that benefits or brings joy to the living is all that matters, we are made in His image, after all. Or, we are Him, we are the divine and religion is a symbol for us to use. If anything I would say that the strong symbolism in so many religions is just a sign of the incredible creativity of humans and how well we are able to communicate our passions.

I personally love internalizing that Mithra, Sol, Manu & Yemo, Wayland, etc etc etc are all just part of our creativity. One day the Wild Hunt will come for you, or Judgement Day, or whichever way you see your end.

>>43358592
>"Let me put it simply;"
>followed by a tl;dr
to "put it simply": you are choosing the latter?

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>>43358625
erm

it's complicated

>given how much they don't support 'gender ideology'
My christianity is a relationship with god and faith first and the church second. I rarely go to church for this very reason even though I pass and can go as any other woman would. But I practice my faith and have come to terms with the fact that I need make allowances to do so, such as not being directly involved with the church for my own wellbeing.

>>43358635
all that writing, to not even commit to a position! you must be quite the academic

>>43357974
>ramblings of a guy in a skirt claiming to hear god are more important than the actual religious texts the religion is based on
The goyim have gone insane

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>>43358697
but I do!
my position is that Christianity is a continuation of the pre-existing religions, which funnily enough is the same for them they are often continuations of older belief systems

I am deeply religious (raised Catholic) but dont know how to reconcile my faith with my transness and so feel endless despair. It hurts to be so disgusting and vile that even my parents and Christ himself abandoned me.

>>43357546
>do you really even need a church/community for personal spiritual connection?
Any “spiritual connection” that doesn’t lead you to help/serve others is worthless. Proper churches are a great way to act this out.

faith is the death of reason and always leads to authoritarianism

>>43357546
nta but scripture doesn't present a watertight case against homosexuality or transgenderism. There is zero (0) indication that homosexuality is bad because of biological incompatability and not a single mention of trannyism. This is not to mention that the ancient world had zero conception of homosexuality as an exclusive sexual orientation or one that could produce lasting monogamous relationships. It's a little silly to apply ancient categories of thought to something that doesn't fit them at all.
>>43357661
I wish I could do this but I'm genuinely not built for celibacy (and also find key parts of catholic teaching (papacy, marian dogmas, infernalism) implausible, so that I don't think I could honestly become roman catholic.
Please pray for me anons.

I converted to cath for my ex, but i like the community so i stayed even tho i don't rly believe

>>43358788
*biological complementarity

>>43358745
let me be clear (by which i mean, "let me be unclear"): what i'm asking is, do you think that there can be an individual, whose courage is such a quirk of causality, that it baffles the suffering fate would otherwise assign them, and transcends the limits of their petty human life?

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>>43358824
what da fl*p can you ask that in layman's terms?
are you asking if someone can become immortalized through their actions?

>>43358788
upper class bi guys at the time it was being written often had boy concubines or whatever they were called. The exact wording they use can imply "boy", so in modern language it fails to differentiate between a pedo and a homo. I still think if you are christian you should avoid butt stuff to be on the safe side, it seems kissing the homies is still fine.

>>43358862
i'm asking if you've ever met a friend posthumously

>>43358767
i am so sorry you are feeling this way and to hear your parents have abandoned you. that is genuinely heartbreaking. i pray for things to get better for you. It is okay to weep and grieve, oftentimes that is all we can do in the moment

but please, i beg you, do not lose heart and do not succumb to the suffocating poison of despair. you are worth more than your sexuality. make this truth clear in your heart

there is a way to reconcile our condition and faith: it is from living faithfully even if everything looks grim, even when you stumble and fall, it is returning to God again and again no matter how many times you betray him. Christ will never abandon you, he suffers with you and continues to fight for you even if those who claim to be Christian trespass against you

forgive those that have wronged you, and more importantly, forgive any ill will you have towards yourself as Christ gives mercy to those who show mercy. peace, love, and kindness awaits you in life even if you do not immediately see it

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>>43358925
I don't believe so

>>43358966
women have no need to be friends with ghosts, it's true

>>43358788
>I wish I could do this but I'm genuinely not built for celibacy
i thought that too. but i have been humbled. with man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible

>>43358995
Sure but it's not really clear to me that that's my vocation.

>>43358960
thank you for your kindness but its misplaced on a wretch like me. i love Christ with all my heart but i am unwelcome in his house and when i die i will suffer for eternity in distance from him. i have nothing but love and respect for my parents even as they tried to murder me for what i am, surely they were correct to and im living in sin by persisting despite their attempt. i am sorry for being too weak to live as God wishes me to.

>>43359098
bro your fine god forgives everyone supposodly just do the rituals and don't the fucked in the ass if your worried about it

>>43358088
That’s not God hon

>>43359111
technically anal sex is not a sin because iirc it says "man shall not lay with man as he does with woman" or something like that (not gonna look it up right meow) and if you take it face value straight people don't have anal sex so that wouldn't count as laying with man as he would with a woman just saying

>>43357546
ppl r stupid what is so mind blowing about that

>>43357546
I am straight, but trans women who remain Catholic inspire me. As a convert of more than a decade, I have seen so many people come and go. The edgy chuds are not the most loyal; they will cry and quit the moment something gives them an itch. But when I see trans women who have been Catholic their whole lives, I begin to understand the difference between an actual religious person, who sees faith as their life and spiritual comfort, and someone who uses religion merely as an identity.
Even if I disagree with someone, I will always wish for them to remain under the Blue Mantle of Our Lady

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>>43360219
holy based

>>43357546
Sorry for not answering it properly
Protestantism is often obsessed with legalism. When your only authority is Scripture, you tend to fall into literalism. Meanwhile, Catholics understand that Scripture was written and compiled to explain the connection and history between God and humanity. When it comes to practice, we follow the example of the saints; this has been the way since the Early Church.

Saint Peter didn't just quote the law to the Council of Elders; he simply stated that God had chosen his mouth to preach. Saint Paul, whom many quote as anti-feminist, also explains in Corinthians 9 that it's not a law that define his apostleship, but his actions. When saints help people, they don’t open Scripture first, they just act, knowing that God smiles upon them. This is why Pope Joan was considered real for many centuries, despite laws prohibiting women from the clergy.

What about other religions? Religion should not just validate your identity; it should inspire you to be a better person and reach for heaven. Among many pagan traditions and others, they simply placed trans women on a social ladder but failed to feed their spiritual needs.

>>43357546
I don't think we need a church to call our own, I think God will understand given the state of the churches today and since a long ass time ago even. Just how I feel though. But he did call on us to come together so I feel like I should at least seek out like-minded people. Maybe if we meet people then we can at least have some kind of "church" service to just read and take communion even if it's unorganized. As for what I do, sometimes I tune in for a livestream on Sundays. For a while I watched a Catholic church's Latin mass. I'm not Catholic in my beliefs but I appreciate Latin mass. Wish it was more common. I watched a small protestant local church for a while but as a red state they would sometimes say awful things or flipflop randomly and I temporarily stopped for my mental health and stuck to reading the Bible. I've been watching a local Episcopalian one lately. Our beliefs don't align exactly but it's alright. I've thought about going in person soon but I'd like to finish reading through the whole Bible first and reevaluating my beliefs again then. Also not sure when would be the best time to go, feels awkward. Not Easter or Christmas or during Lent but when? I also watched one of the Unitarian Universalist churchianity streams which seems wholesome and fun communitywise because I love people of other faiths or no faith (and I just feel bad for antitheists because I just think it's trauma and entirely the fault of the shitty Christians that we let get away with hurting people) but it doesn't fulfill my interest in hearing other Christians' takes on things nor on taking communion (although I am someone that wants to get baptized somewhere first before I take communion, not necessarily because others are doing it wrong but because that's what feels right for me personally). Also I lowkey still worry about psychopaths/narcissists in progressive churches. I'd rather avoid crazies in general and religious institutions seem to attract them like flies.

>open religion thread
>it's all retarded christslop

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>>43357546
i used to be catholic but the culture is manipulative and toxic. it's the ultimate gaslighting.
don't get me wrong, there are times i wish i could reconcile my old faith with who i am now, but catholicism is very unwavering and uncompromising. i couldn't handle it anymore so i broke away from the church and i've been happier since, much to my father's dissapointment but i don't revel in it.

im too retarded for religion. i can read a book and absorb some of it but i cant ever have any real knowledge of theology

>>43357546
Religion is kind of like race, you're born into it. FWIW whatever religion you're born into usually just ignores the queers among them. Catholicism is actually better at this than Protestantism. Each protestant church seems to have to chose an extreme stance on LGBT rangeing from Westboro Baptist-tier to Quaker-tier. Catholics are at least consistent that they don't agree with it but take pity on it.

t. Protestant trans

>>43357546
raised christian, Fell into religious psychosis due to years of being shamed in the church because i wouldnt stop being trans+ was intersex off the bat (klinefelters so i was always told there qwas a demon or somthing in me.)

Went through the wringer, Went into the deep end with religions and started reading and identifying with such niche ass religions and hyper specifics untill one day i realized how retarded aurguments like above are. If we're spluitting teeth over denominations, bible translations. whatever the fuck a sol mithra and manu is and whatever rw catholitcs talk about the 300 page manuscript that prove women are stupid or smothing its all so pointless and i just sorta became as george lucas puts it, Evengelical buddist. Do I really care anymore? Sure. Being told as a kid about a lake of fire and being shown things and locked in a room with a cross carrie style will haunt you but ive been baptised so im christiened or somthing. Idk.

life got better when i stopped caring. Church helps on paper since its the most basic human need for community but really who cares when that love is conditional.