Larp larp larp we're all larpers here there's not a single truly trans person because none of this is real, there's only you and your body and your dirty decaying brain My gender my sex my hormones nothing that makes you you is really yours, I carved under the façade and the flesh and there's nothing there that truly belongsYou might say you might say you might say a lot of different things but none of them hold when you look at your soul and you realise it was never there to begin with and you're left with a vast senseless emptiness that'll burn you slowly Blessed are we for our perverse aging minds
>>43358054>MY GENDER>MY SEX>MY HORMONES
the self is a social construct used to manipulate
>>43358108Self self selfEverything is a social construct as soon as more than one person views it it becomes social and constructed nothing that you see is more than a social construct
And you think you're alive it you're really just living through you own death, there's no way you really think any of you truly lives My heart my soul my limbs all are part of your delusions
Kill the man that looks you in the eyeAnd break those bones of mine that don't sit well in your heartthey never even loved you to begin with
>>43358181the social construct of the table is separate from the physical object of the table. whereas "self" as in ego is wholly a social object, and not a positive one
>>43358596The "physical object" of the table only exists in your mind and in mine and in that of other people and so is as much of a social construct as anything elseAnd evening we made that ridiculous distinction between social construct and physicality then self is nothing more than my body and my brain and my experiences and in that way is as physical as a table.Please realise that everything you see qualifies as a social object
i became who i am by doing what i wanted to when i wanted to. before long, i wanted to be called a girl and I looked like one. every single step was a logical progression from who i used to be to who i am. What is there to b ashamed over? I'm happy with who i am. It doesn't matter than I'm trans, really. I still have a heart beating in my chest that tells me who I love. i gave up on words a long time ago, and now I listen to my heart.
>>43358054I am a figment of your imagination gone wild.
>>43358632you must read kant
>>43358054I’m physical anon, the only physical person
>>43358641Nobody is talking of shame. I never said it mattered you were trans. Everyone became who they are by doing what they wanted, or at least what they think they want and what they are allowed to do, which are certainly as restrictive as what you lived through. Any step is a logical progression from a before to an after, this is ridiculously obvious. Your heart tells you nothing, and you don't listen to it any more than you listen to your liver.Your contribution is as useless as it is shallow, and I will respond by proclaiming you are a larpers, trans only by words and meaninglessness in your reality
>>43358679Already did, he's a Mussolinist in denial and never thought beyond his own existence
>>43358698? You only think that because it's the only thing you can sense, please stop believing in "physicality"
>>43358733my heart tell me a lot and so does my liver. my body told me that I was a woman so I listened to it. Everybody loves calling me a larper because they don't want to accept I could just be the real thing.
>>43358746unironically i completely agree but... aren't you some kind of an idealist?
>>43358820There is no "real thing". Your body tells you nothing. You are your body and you are telling yourself something. You are whatever you want to be, and much more than that. You larp being one singular ""self"", one individual "real" ""thing"" when none of the ""things"" you think are real really exist Nothing is worth listening to because nothing ever tells anything you don't already know
>>43358851We're all idealists, some of us like to think they can back their ideas with theory or science but in the end everything is idealist because we can hold no certainty or truth, but only ideas Although I do agree that some idealisms are more closely knit with reality
>>43358905>we can hold no certainty or truthidk, you sound more like a solipsist than an idealist, and i'm starting to doubt that you have read kant. do you believe that time exists?
>>43358861>You larp being one singular ""self"", one individual "real" ""thing"" when none of the ""things"" you think are real really existi don't think that's true. my femininity is real and measurable
>>43358961I confess that I've only read the groundwork and the critique of pure reason, so I may not have a full and wide understanding of Kant. Time is as real as everything else in the world, and to believe in its existence or inexistence is pointless
>>43359053Measurable by what standards?Your feminity is as real as yourselfThere's an infinity if feminine selves that are a lil you and yet you still larp as one of them. Realise that I am not targeting you or your feminity and stop being offended by what you think is a refusal of your transness.
>>43359099do you think i'm a figment of your imagination?
>>43359168You are you and much more than that My imagination is not capable of conceiving all of your yous and that's how I know you're not a figment of my imagination, you exist in your own right but are not any more real than me But if it makes you happy I can say you are a figment of my imagination and that you're not real and that I'm schizo too and that I eat my own shit o algo
>>43359146you called me a larper though and said I wasnt trans?of course i got offended since I'm a woman
>>43359213>My imagination is not capable of conceiving all of your yous and that's how I know you're not a figment of my imagination, you exist in your own right but are not any more real than meif you admit this, you have to admit that there is some kind of objective reality outside of you, and that physical objects exist
>>43359245There is not one objective reality but an infinity of them, and upon realising that I realise it is the exact same as saying there is no objective reality. Physical objects exist only in these infinite realities and as such do not matter in the slightest and might as well not exist
>>43359234You are not trans anymore than you are human or you are youI say this because trans people think that by being trans they have found some sort of "self" or "identity". You have not, because it does not exist. You "are" a woman because of your choice to become one but in the infinite choices you or others may or may not have taken there are infinite realities in which you are not what you are today
>>43359331we are what we repeatedly do>You "are" a woman because of your choice to become one but in the infinite choices you or others may or may not have taken there are infinite realities in which you are not what you are todayme exists in this present moment, alongside the choices that I've made. Me is procrastinating vacuuming. Me admires the statue on my desk. Me ebbs and flows and exists all around as just a part of this enormous and beautiful world. The barrier doesn't matter much, but labels still have social value and carry weight.
>>43359287so you don't believe intersubjective consensus is possible? how are we talking right now?
>>43359358You don't seem to be able to feel last yourself, I fear. "Me" is more than the past choices I ladew more than my repeated actions and more than what I am doing now. "Me" (you) is infinite, undefined, and exists in more than one way, and is more than a simple "part" of a singular world.
>>43359397Intersubjective consensus does not entail objective reality and I'm tired of explaining why refuting one does not mean I'm rejecting the other. We're talking in one of infinite realities which makes it as real as not talking
>>43359452But I think, therefore I am. If i define my existence by my consciousness, then me only exists within the realms of my experience. I'm not a probability distribution like a quantum particle I am a defined, singular thing with a shape and directiona ray of light can come off of the sun and it is sunlight because that's its origin and direction. I am me and I am trans because that is my origin and direction.
>>43359483we're both reading the same language in this particular reality, aren't we?
>>43359520We are reading the same language in an infinite number of realities. We can't define a "particular" one because it is infinitely and uniformly particular
>>43359519If if if.Your existence is not determined by your consciousness. Something can exist without thinking. The cogito is long out of date. You are not singular. You are not a probability distribution, but an infinite number of existing selves that feed and rebound off of each other. You are omnidirectional and have infinite possibilities of an origin. Wouldn't you agree that is the same as having no particular origin?
>>43359331pitiful larp
>>43359621>Something can exist without thinking.a self can't though.>You are omnidirectional and have infinite possibilities of an origin. Wouldn't you agree that is the same as having no particular origin?I do have an origin. I believe in destiny and fate.
>>43359567>we are reading the same languagearen't we reading an infinite number of uniformly particular languages?
>>43359645sorry i messed up my posting>You are omnidirectional and have infinite possibilities of an origin. Wouldn't you agree that is the same as having no particular origin?I do have an origin. I believe in destiny and fate. I think everything that happens happens that way because it's supposed to happen. So that me is not a space, I'm a ray.
>>43359641We're all larpers as I said before
>>43359660Yes but it amounts to the same
>>43359673You could believe in santa claus too. It wouldn't make it any more real or any less larp.Although it could be argued that santa Claus holds more reality than destiny, even though that reality is illusionary
>>43359725now i am confused. we're reading the same language but it's an infinity of uniformly particular languages so it's an infinity of the same conversation which is somehow simultaneously us "speaking the same language" but also "not really talking"? sounds like misinterpreted pseudoquantum flimflam
>>43359755if reality is illusionary then why are you trying to hold it up against me and call me a fraud? There is a bit more spiritual exploration for you to consider, I think. Here's a question to consider:Do I exist within your world? If I exist in my world as me, do I exist in your world as me? If you were preserved but only through my impressions of you, would you as a person be destroyed? If so, what does that say about internality?
>>43359804You seem to have a particular, rigid reading grid which you try to apply to me in some way.I'll reformulate my answer. There's an infinity of the same conversation. And an infinity of other conversations. And an infinity of no conversation at all. All are particular, and uniformly so, meaning you can't pinpoint a single truly specific conversation as there will always be infinitely smaller details that will create new infinities of possible conversations.I don't understand why you try to catégorisé my thinking one way or the other. That can only impede you comprehension
>>43359820You exist, not in my world, but in an infinite number of worlds. I could not be "preserved" through your impressions of me, as that already supposed I do not exist. I am not refuting internality, but saying that your internality varies infinitely and cannot be summed up as one particular self. Trying to live in ignorance of the infinite yous is what I'm holding against you
>>43359934"If we keep going in a straight line we'll get out of here. Walking one foot in front of the other, in the same direction, will always get you further than running around in circles."
*starts beatin off*
>>43359906if something is particular, it is finite. an infinity can't be particularized. it is contradictory things simulatenously. which is fine, for the concept of infinity. but, more and more, i would prefer this conversation to have a finite duration
>>43359934We really quoting children's mental health authors now? This is ridiculous
>>43360031Infinity can be infinitely particularised. That it precisely the point
