i see a lot of misandry on various spaces that are primarily composed of women and i feel really averse to it and it makes me feel bad and disconnected from other womenlike ill see someone writing something that makes sense and is ok and a valid critique of whatever they are talking about and then it’ll go into “and this is why ALL MEN are taught x y and z and ALL MEN are etc etc etc” and people will reply “yaas someone finally said it etc etc”i feel repulsed by this sort of rhetoric not because im a stupid tranny, that’s not the factor here, cuz if they view me as a man then whatever cuz i pretty much view myself as a eunuch male fuckup anywaybut ive just spoken to a number of really sweet men, one of whom i really pine for, and they end up reading this stuff too, and they internalize it and feel incredibly shitty and guilty over things that don’t even relate to them, and these are good natured people who have no reason to be feeling this way about an immutable characteristic they had no choice over. it makes me really sad.i just wish they were more emotionally intelligent about the rhetoric they use and the way they carry themselves when talking about bad things some men do. i mean it’s not rocket science, if it was any other demographic you would immediately recognize the fallacy and how it’s hurtful, so why is it different? and when i try and tactfully approach that subject i get nuked verbally (“oh so you’re one of those ‘not all men’ huh???”) and just retreat into the corner.why are people like this? is there something wrong with me? is this more so indicative of being around emotionally immature young people or is there something more? idk it just makes me feel hopeless, why must we divide ourselves like this?
no I think you're 100% righti think it's really messed up right now, and maybe we're just getting class consciousness of how things are atm. A big subculture of women is just straight up mean towards all men.
>>43363410Unfortunately that evil % of men weigh down the whole group. Personally the misandry doesn't bother me, we deserve it.
>>43363422so im not the only one!!! yes i hate to say it but i agree there seems to be a sub culture of sorts consisting of people that genuinely despise males/men/whateverit’s likely a spectrum of some sort as ive seen really milquetoast negative rhetoric to just straight up “MEN are EVIL” but it feels like it’s getting more and more popular in western society at least among young women (and interestingly enough, this is occurring at the same time misogynistic rhetoric is increasing in popularity amongst young men)it’s really concerning to me and i feel a lot of it is driven by the internet. i almost want to go as far as to say that i almost feel like it’s a psyop/demoralization operation from the elites/other blocs of geopolitical power as it really doesn’t benefit a given western country to have men hating women and women hating men. but I don’t have any evidence for that and it could just as easily be connected to lowered standards of living and the social contract degradingidk, i just know someone in particular who was really affected and internalized that sort of stuff, and it breaks my heart into many little pieces, because he’s such a sweet pea…poor baby…i just want to hug him
>>43363484you don’t deserve anything like that : (see this is what im talking about, feeling this sort of guilt over other people’s actions you had no part in or no ability to impede is not just unproductive and doesn’t help anybody but it also is horrible for your mental health.does the actions of ghislaine maxwell paint all women as evil sexual predators? of course not!
>>43363410Media rules us by divide and conquer. The algorithm intensified that
>>43363410it's def something like 20-30% of men who suck but 1/3 guys being dogshit and 1/20 being roofie-slipping rapists and manipulators isn't exactly good stats.
everyone deserves to feel like shit. moids foids troons idc. if someone is making you feel like shit for being a certain way, it's because you deserve it
>>43363495very true. the man or bear question is a perfect illustration of this.that question is an absolute psyop, in the context of social media and it angers me so much that many can’t see it.i mean, at its core it’s a question of risk assessment, but you can’t accurately assess risk with the question. is it night or is it day? where am i? what kind of bear? are its children around? am i armed? am i on a forest trail or am i in the middle of the woods? public or private grounds?the question is so vague that it essentially allows you to project whatever you want on it and it acts more as a bullshit ink blot test than anything actually useful. I hate it so much
>>433635121/5 being bad doesn’t mean 4/5 are bad too. i hate to bring it up but what if we were talking about a racial ethnicity? or any other group? it becomes immediately clear that nuance is required. why is the same not extended to men in this conversations?this is why i think it’s partially a psyop and a symptom of western countries (mostly USA) failing its citizens and having horrible education systems and cultural systems that produce emotionally awful people.and this can be extended to men too, like i said in another post here, misogynistic attitudes are becoming more and more popular among younger men. it feels manufactured, or at least caused in part by declining social contract
>>43363494KEK I don't feel bad about it, it's universal group karma. We don't need to be infantilized and told we're sweet individuals who did nothing wrong, change requires group accountability. And it's been a long time coming.
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>>43363551You talk like a male feminist predator
>>43363551Morality ocd is a bitch huh?
>>43363563I'm a guy... that's already a predator class to a lot of people anon
>>43363575And NOI people on the street think you're a descendent of yakub who cares nigga
>>43363551group accountability? i mean i guess but that doesn’t mean you have to damn yourself
>>43363553very very wise words that we should all heed>>43363575while this is true, predators and sadists come in many shapes and sizessee abu grahb, or ghislaine maxwell
men need to realize that soceity owes them nothing, free ourselves
>>43363410You see, there has been misogyny since the dawn of timeSocial media has made it so that women can react to misogyny in a way thats visible to men. Men cannot handle being hated the same way that women have been since forever. Men need thicker skin
>>43363568I don't fear or feel bad about being an evil person, I don't mind being bad. I assumed that was a pretty human thing.>>43363585>YakubYou think I'm white....?>>43363603There's still a disproportionate amount of "bad" on one side
>>43363486>and interestingly enough, this is occurring at the same time misogynistic rhetoric is increasing in popularity amongst young menMisogyny has always been rampant. You are conserned about misandry cause you still see yourself as a male.
>>43363618A brown male feminist how rare
>>43363626>bringing up NOI for no reasongo ahead and log off for me
dunno about murica but in western europe islam is going to fix it
>>43363638Stop with the self hate it wont get you any pussy playa
>>43363618yes there is more physically violent men than there are women. and there are intelligent ways of discussing that without putting down an entire group of people. it’s not rocket science…>>43363621while i do view myself as a male failure eunuch stupid person, one of the first things i said in my post was that this isn’t about women viewing mtfs as men. idgaf if they do and it doesn’t relate to me being upset.im upset about it because there are men in my life, one whom i love, who are sweet peas and very nice and sweet who have been negatively affected and internalized this sort of all men are bad rhetoric. it’s just not helpful and it hurts people.also yes misogyny is rampant but i take it you are not a young person? i am, and there is definitely a rise of a very particular sort of misogyny à la manosphere/PUA types like Andrew Tate , etc. and while these are anecdotes i have seen basically completely apolitical normie men who aren’t misogynistic just dive head first into this shit. were they internally misogynistic on some level already? yes, otherwise they would likely be inoculated against this sort of rhetoric. is this specific sort of rhetoric/mental mind virus spreading rapidly among young men and different in the way it manifests as opposed to more “traditional” forms of misogyny? also yes.mind you, this manosphere stuff ties directly into the rise of right wing politics and political discourse. i would heavily urge you not to dissuade what i am saying here; there are swaths of young men who weren’t like this who are now like this for one reason or another, driven by a social media hate machine. it’s a very real phenomenon.
>>43363659ex muslim here, misandry is just as common in the arab world, sometimes it is even more extreme, egypt has 44% divorce rate among women, islam is a shitty religion that destroys society and the relationship between man and woman
>>43363608this is the sort of eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth mindset that leaves everyone toothless and blind. you said it yourself, you want to treat men the same way women have been systemically treated by patriarchal institutions.so what is your goal? to bring forth more pain into the world, or progress? do you want to make the whole whole? or tear it asunder?
>>43363797>im upset about it because there are men in my life, one whom i love, who are sweet peas and very nice and sweet who have been negatively affected and internalized this sort of all men are bad rhetoric. it’s just not helpful and it hurts peopleWhy are you giving men any grace? You know that misogynist men don't give a shit that their mother was sweet angel or their girlfriend was pure and loyal, those men still seek to harm women and make laws to make women suffer.I could not give a shit about misandry, men never cared about their own misogyny.
Misandry has gotten so bad the women i know who love their dads dont even associate with their old man hating friends anymore. The culture is changing slowly
>>43363814There will always be misogyny, we will never get rid of it so its only fair that misandry exists also
>>43363621>>43363797i also forgot to mention im upset about it because whenever i try to broach the subject of “hey maybe we should be more mindful of how we talk about these things” everyone dog piles on me. it’s like nuance not only does not exist for people like this, they actively attack people who attempt to introduce nuance. its infuriating and sort of points towards these discussions basically just being self indulgent reptile brain-fests. it’s gross tbhdesu
>>43363846If you want to see who holds control, see who youre not allowed to criticize
>>43363839My dad used to always watch porn when he was alone in the house with me. He stole my nudes from my computer when I was a kid (14 at the time)Always smacking my ass and looking at my boobs when I was younger.Nothing has made me hate men more than having a father who only cared about his dick. Men like my father make the most of menThere are so many similar stories that my friends have
>>43363831wow i found one in the wild!once again you lump men as a whole. don’t you understand we live in a dot matrix universe???? infinite possibilities can occur. what i mean is there are going to be awful people. but it is not an indictment of an entire group.>Why are you giving men any grace?i am giving HUMANS grace, as it is deserved. we are HUMAN, first and foremost. see i feel that is the difference between people like you and me. we are humans…we are people; we are not defined by our genes…and yes, misogynistic men who had great mothers and partners and don’t give a shit about them is something that happens. there are also misogynistic men who had horrible mothers and partners. how do these two people develop into misogynistic people? perhaps, instead of just yelling ALL MEN ARE BAD we should inspect the social structures that lead men into thinking this way on a micro and macro level (family units, government propaganda, corporate influence over culture, religion, male social dynamics, etc). that is infinitely more helpful than what you are doing.>i could not give a shit about misandry. men never cared about misogynyonce again you lump and entire group of people. i pity you. i hope one day you can let love into your heart.
>>43363861Im sorry you had to live with that anon. My dad is also a gross pedo predator. I try not to hold it against his gender though. He is a monster becouse of what he chose to be not becouse he was born that way
>>43363871Men make 90% of all criminals and violent crimes.Even with guns to equalize power, women are so much more peaceful
>>43363843you wish to let the world burn.>>43363849this doesn’t apply because manosphere men spew the same rhetoric in their little bubbles except turned around at women. it’s equally disgusting if not more so.>>43363861im genuinely sorry to hear you had to go through that. that’s absolutely evil and no individual, let alone a child, should go through such a thing, let alone by the hands of a family member. i hope you have been able to heal from this.regardless, this is not indicative of most men. i don’t know what else to say to you. just like getting robbed by a black dude in the city isn’t indicative of all black dudes.
I foster hatred between men and women; brother and sister; husband and wife
>>43363887aha! so now you are getting closer to the root of the issue i believe.this is true, most men account for violent crimes, even though there are plenty of examples of women doing similar things at different classes (from bottom of the economic ladder, to soldiers, to eve political and economic elites). so this behavior can manifest in both sexes. the question is, why more so in men?well let’s look at content and ideas that are pointed at males from a young age. a lot of it is violent in nature, espouses the righteous nature of defense and offense in proper contexts, and generally espouse that a man’s role is to protect. this has some biological basis to a degree, but I do not think biology is able to account for this at all. instead i think this is the output and caused by patriarchal systems that is enforced by peers in different social circles, be it friends, family, coworkers, etc.we lived in a much more patriarchal society only 50 years ago or so. there are people still alive from when it was illegal for a woman to open a bank account on her own without a man. it makes sense that, the dominant social engineering structure that drives men to be this way, still exists in some form, and may take many generations to fully die out along with widespread institutional and demographic changes.in essence what i am trying to say is I think this is accounted for by nurture rather than nature, and a lot of it is the death rattle of an archaic social structure (patriarchy). but that’s just my opinion.
>>43363484>DESPITE being 13% of the population...
>>43363861>men that steal their daughter's nudes and always smack her ass make the most of menjesus lady get a grip or get out of pedoville
>>43363916you are jew/capitalist/communist?
>>43363410Turns out women are sexist. Another thing rarely talked about is that is incels have lower rates of sexism than sex havers.
the only solution is creating androids who can get pregnant and killing all real women and female babies
>>43364818World would honestly be better the other way. Men will just fight if they are alone.Female world would be better
>>43363861>the majority of men sexually abuse their childrenthat's just straight up not true. i know this is 4ch and we're all retarded, and im sorry that happened to you, but weve gotta at least pretend we live in reality>>43363887'most a are b' doesn't mean 'therefore most b are a'
>>43363410The problem is about the same % of women are evil as men. Evil women just tend to get what they deserve. Personally If I found out the person I had kids with had lied to me for years and the kids are not mine I would smash her dead in with a rock and it would be 100% morally correct. The issue is not evil women dying it is not enough evil men get what they deserve. We have to start killing
>>43363861>>43363883Shit like this is so interesting and hard to talk about because I fully understand the drive and general lust side of this shit having been consumed by the goon but it is more the banality of evil thing. Like some guy I work with and augh with just goes wow what a day, drives home then fucks his daughter. It is just so incomprehensible
>>43363887Men also account for nearly 99% of all inventions across human history. Demeaning a gender for being active on every relevant diachronic statistic while praising the other for its passive nature is a remarkably contemporary worldview
>>43363410OP, you are absolutely right & I think there are tons of people who share your viewpoint - certainly a majority of those who do not spend significant amounts of their time participating in text-based online echo-chambers.I would suggest to you and everyone ITT to read The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, & Love by Bell Hooks. She gracefully unpacks this idea with insightfulness and precision. I think everyone should read it, but especially feminists who wear their misandry as a badge of honor
Most women don’t think like this, social media algorithms just push “controversial” topics to the top because they garner more engagement. Whenever I see this divisive toxicityslop I just move on with my life and remember most people are good people. There’s probably something to say about subconsciously internalising it over decades of constant online exposure but personally I don’t think it’s something of which you can’t just thug it out.
>>43363843What a depressing philosophy. I hope one day the world loves you enough for you to want to love the world back
>>43366297Correct.>There’s probably something to say about subconsciously internalising it over decades of constant online exposureI mean, when you're terminally online, people just generally become abstractions. It's not "Becky is a misandrist" or "Bob is a misogynist", it immediately becomes "All men/women are like this" because there are no actual people here. You just become a kind of token for your attributes (male, female, tall, short, ugly, cute,...) and everyone is replaceable. It's the ultimate behavioral sink.
>>43365563Reminder cis m oppressed everyone they could to achieve that stat because competition scary
>>43363410As a progressive Chud, I've been saying this about misandry for over half a decade now. The best response to it is just to call them racist. It's the cleanest way and easiest to not fuck up.>you shouldn't call men that. It's discrimination.>oh, so you're one of those "not all men" people???>yes, and I'm one of those "not all blacks" people. Are you not?They just get really pissed off if you do this, typically and start attacking your masculinity and call you gay like any conservative.Sometimes they say "Race and sex are different! Men aren't an oppressed class, so it's okay to discriminate against them" which is silly and an attempt to get me to say men are an oppressed class(which then you get into a whole lot of complications. Do not allow this.). They've already put themselves in a bad situation by admitting that what they're doing is discrimination and that "it's not wrong when we do it to you" Just respond by conceeding that men are an oppressor class but also saying that discrimination is still going to be hostile to the innocent or vulnerable men within that class(such as gays or trans men or autistic or physically disabled or childen) who don't deserve it and that's wrong.Fundamentally, what they're doing is profiling people. It's not ethical if you value fairness.
>>43367006>concedes that men are not an oppressed class but women areyou got duped nobody gives af about the rest
>>43363410Modern feminism has gone too far and it's actively mindraping an entire generation of women. That's why we saw a sharp increase in pooners who are now all detransitioning. They have been so convinced of the idea that women are all treated as second-class citizens and the thought of a man attracted to them makes them so disgusted they'd rather chop their boobs off and willingly become ugly freaks than live as a woman. Feminism has arrived at the point that being a woman is untenable. >see also: theyfabs
>>43366297you're wrong. recent polls have shown women are continuing to trend toward hating men, whereas men remain positive or neutral toward women. only a third of women polled had a positive view toward men
>>43367053>you got duped nobody gives af about the restThey really struggle with the rest, though. I don't actually think men are an oppressor class anymore, but the conversation should not get into that if you don't want them to complicate what they're doing and frame you as mysogynist. Misandry is hypocritical on its own. It's really hard for them to say "fuck all those gay, disabled, autistic, trans, oppressed people. I'm going to keep harming them in order to harm the oppressor class."
>>43367060>That's why we saw a sharp increase in pooners who are now all detransitioning.But they are not? Ftms keep transitioning more than mtfs and detransing less.
>>43365089>>43364704Most men have vile thoughts about their daughters. Its so very common. I remember even my cousin who had the ideal father tell me how her father staring at her tits made her uncomfortable. Men cannot control their lust, they are often like animals
>>43368853>FtMs detrans less often that MtFseven if this was true (it's not), the most vocal detrans are FtMs so it'd be functionally true anyway
>>43368911Its true. Google it. Bobody cares if a trans woman detranses but everyone cares if a pretty womb creature makes herself ugly and infertile. You cannot grift if nobody cares
>>43363410this post is proof women are retarded, you are retarded op
>>43363410trvke this rhetoric is also causing nice feminine men to hate themselves and want to troon out
>>43363410that wasn't always there I was conscious a decade ago and that didn't exist
>>43368894It's not vile it's just common sense
>>43368853nta but the pressure to keep being your gender assigned to you is more violent on TW than in TM, so a trans woman might desist, and get a job to not starve or be homeless and retransition later, or sometimes simply repress.
>>43363410I wouldn't mind the misandry if it wasn't for the double standard. The people that generalise men by using statistics are the same people that would call you racist for generalising races by using statistics. Every time they get called out for this arbitrariness (which they can't simply block/ban you) they end up looking stupid. This is probably why the right-wing is rising across the western world: fourth-wave feminists opened Pandora’s box by making it publicly acceptable to generalising groups politically (identity politics).
