>>43374354
You're right, but the whole idea behind it is that cis people are assholes who can't live and let live and therefore we needed a "diagnosis" in order to convince them to not throw us in jail for being ourselves.

>>43374455
That’s part of it, but not the whole story. The other part of the story is that cissexual doctors want(ed) to profit at the expense of transsexuals. https://youtu.be/_S5w18sjYLk

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>>43374354
no most certainly real idc what tooba or the blogs you linked say. if its not real why does it hurt so bad? checkmate tard.

>>43374497
If a cis man suffers because he’s 5′4″, is his distress an illness?

>>43374510
highkonistly yes

>>43374497
What's it called when this painting makes me feel disgust and repulsion.

>>43374518
Is every instance of distress an illness according to you, or only certain instances of it? Would you say that grief is an illness?

As a tranny I don't think I'm mentally ill at all. I think cis people just have weird ideas about gender, specifically ideas they were conditioned into by society because it's convenient for the oppression of both sexes.

>>43374354
If abigail thorn says it, it's almost certainly not true

>>43374551
its called being agp

>>43374623
Agree
>>43374626
Ad hominem.

>>43374561
>Is every instance of distress an illness according to you, or only certain instances of it?
if the distress greatly impairs your ability to function especially if its chronic. i wouldn't say that grief is an illness but extreme grief that lasts for an absurd amount of time i probably would. as soon as you get into mental stuff what is and isnt an illness gets super socially constructed. using the logic ur using makes it pretty easy to just get rid of the concept of metal illness as a whole. what is and isn't defined as an illness is entirely based on what your culture thinks is useful to define as such. i think the concept of gender dysphoria is useful and protects us more than it hurts us.

>>43374683
“Gender Dysphoria” is used to pathologize transsexuality and restrict access to sex change procedures.

>>43374354
It's not ficticious to put a name on a psychiatric disorder lol. it may be unethical to use it to restrict acess to gender affirming care which ameliorates said psychiatric disorder but calling it a mental illness isn't wrong i'd say

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>>43374703
>“Gender Dysphoria” is used to pathologize transsexuality
currently with the way society is, my transsexualism effects me like an illness so pathologizing it is useful. we could build a society where it does have to be that way but thats putting the cart before the horse. society also makes adhd effect people like an illness, but we could make a society where people with adhd could function better but for the current moment pathologizing it is useful. same deal.
>and restrict access to sex change procedures.
you really think anyone is getting the chop yo dick of surgery covered by insurance without it being pathologized be fucking fr

on top of that it gives trans people an easier way of explaining their existence to other people who might not always be the most immediately understanding. "i have a crippling mental illness and the only way to fix it is to go on hormones and chop my dick off" tends go over better than "teehee idk just felt like it :3" when retards ask you why you decided to be a tranny.

>>43374766
And phlogiston isn’t a fictitious substance because “it’s not fictitious to put a name on a substance”, right?

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>>43374830
>I just felt like it
is way more based, though

>>43374467
But the problem is every trans jumped on the mental illness train
Blair White admitted to being mentally ill
Along with many trans people.
So you now have a big problem
Your marked for life now if you have gender dysphoria.
Before COVID-19, transgender was actually a third and fourth gender, but new troons changed it to mental illness
End game

>>43374561
Go on blue sky, tic tic most transgender say they are mentally ill with gender dysphoria.
Government can find your IP address
Trans terrorist
Mental illness
Harm
Dumb tranny culture that took over

>>43374354
Troons did it to themselves, stupid influence now every troons is a terrorist
You fucked up, it's over

>>43374623
Your doctor is the one that gave you the evolution.
It's mental illness
Game over

>>43374623
Your mental illness needs to be controlled by the state and federal government.
You have gender dysphoria you are mentally ill
End of discussion
No more debating or argument
You got your free ride now you're at the end of the road
Never had this before but new troons made it this way
State and federal control of mentally ill people, troons.
Your medical records say your mentally ill.
End of the road no more debating
New troons are the dumbbells of the culture

>>43374683
Then you don't get HRT and impersonating a woman is mental illness.
State and federal insane asylums need to control the mentally ill.
Your game is over , you sound crazy

>>43374551
It means you are attracted to men but don't want to admit it to yourself, causing distress that you associate with the things in the image instead of your inner problems.

>>43375304
It’s pretty clear from your writing style that YOU’RE the one who’s mentally ill.

>>43375323
Why would a doctor HRT if gender dysphoria wasn't pathologized? Why would anyone be getting access to HRT? You seem to forget how this whole thing works. cis people barely understand trans issues at all, you think they're going to be super on board with letting trans people get hrt if you get rid of the diagnostic category of GD??? If your answer to that is yes, you're a retarded idealist. You are part of a very small, very misunderstood, very controversial minority group; you need to think about the on-the-ground everyday optics for half a second. We do not have the cultural power to get everyone on board with "gender dysphoria is not real, and you should let anyone transition for free just cuz." If you get rid of the concept of gender dysphoria, cis people won't stop thinking you're crazy; they will think you're even crazier. Most people can't even begin to fathom why someone would ever change their gender, but GD gives a bridge to that understanding and also a bridge to hrt and treatment. Without the concept of GD, society will see you as a delusional man who thinks he's a woman, but through the label of GD, you have innate psychological differences that make it impossible to live as your sex assigned at birth, AND THE ONLY CLINICALY PROVEN WAY TO TREAT IT IS THROUGH GENDER TRANSITION!!!!!!! The diagnostic label of gender dysphoria IS WHAT STOPS YOU FROM GETTING THROWN IN THE LOONY BIN. Back to the ADHD example from one of my earlier replies, if you had ADHD would you rather not have the diagnosis and have your behavior be seen as lazy, retarded, inconsiderate, immature, and have it be your own personal failing, or would you rather have the diagnosis so you can explain why you are that way and open a window to medical care?

>>43376850
comment was too long lol here's the rest if you even give a shit, hoe!

I get that GD can exclude some who don't fit the category well enough, but I have a hard time seeing a world without GD where anyone can get access to HRT. And although it's not perfect, the current informed consent model tends to work pretty good at letting most people transition.

You need to get your head out of the clouds for a second and come back down to earth. Get out of abstract theory town and think about what is rhetorically effective in everyday life. Honestly, if you have the time, you should read "NARRATION AS A HUMAN COMMUNICATION PARADIGM: THE CASE OF PUBLIC MORAL ARGUMENT" by Walter Fisher. I've found it to be super useful when thinking about these sorts of topics. Your societal acceptance and the societal acceptance of people like you is very tenuous right now. Start acting like it.

>>43374497
How come dysphoria is real but euphoria isn't? Checkmate chuddie

>>43376850
All interesting people get thrown in the loony bin so I kinda don't care at all desu

>>43376937
>How come dysphoria is real but euphoria isn't?
never said it wasn't. being a man brings me pain being a woman brings me joy. these two things are mutually compatible.

>>43374354
>gatekeeping is good we don't need more fake trans
>noooo not like that!!

>>43376970
can confirm. in my room (1) was with me Adam the First (yes this Adam) and one of other guys in bin will be future president of poland. he has my vote.

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>>43375304
>>43375323
seek help

>>43374354
This is because Abigail Thorn transitioned for shits and giggles and not because she actually suffers from it.

>>43377515
>in my room (1) was with me Adam the First (yes this Adam) and one of other guys in bin will be future president of poland. he has my vote.
esl ass sentence

>in my room (1) was with me
this part of this sentence should be changed to
>in my room WITH ME THERE WAS (1).....

>Adam the First (yes this Adam)
this part of this part of the sentence was harder to understand. im assuming you're talking about Adam from the bible. idk if Adam the First is a direct translation of what he is called in your language or if its a typo and you meant to type Adam the first man. this part should look like this.
>Adam the first MAN (yes THAT Adam)

>and one of other guys in bin will be future president of poland. he has my vote.
this part is fine.

In all it should look like this
>in my room WITH ME THERE WAS (1) Adam the first MAN (yes THAT Adam) and one of other guys in bin will be future president of poland. he has my vote.

>>43377718
oh my. 1 is number on doors. he was fun to be around was always splitting apple to two parts with bare hands ate one half and gave me other... hm...

>>43375208
>now every troons is a terrorist
bro really fell for the most obvious rothschild psyop of the past decade lol.
>weak, frail, sensitive moids on hormones that make you less aggressive are actually actually a major threat and are ready to snap at any given moment. we should all be all be very concerned about this and this total isn't just media pushing a convenient narrative. i'm very intelligent by the way.
why is there a sudden up tick in reporting on trans violence following trumps election and the ellison take over of news media? cause its a great way to get chuds onboard with surveillance and restrictions on personal freedoms. chuds loved talking about how every shooting in the 2010s was a false flag to get guns taken away but they second its about trannies all of their critical thinking skill evaporate. if the government wanted to get people on board with gun control they wouldn't need to convince liberals cause their already on board. that's why the rhetoric has shifted from shooters are neo nazis to shooters are trannies. they need to convince the right. they want to have precedent for even more extreme surveillance. they're inventing a crisis to create a reason to shore up permission to have even more control over your life. this isn't about trannies you can still hate troons or whatever but you should realize that this narrative exists to convince u to had over your power.

>>43377933
yup they are really dumb when they say transgenders shouldnt have 2a because of "mental illness." even if you think trans people are radical you should still want them armed. only having people who support the government armed defeats the purpose of the 2a

>>43374354
other, equally true fact: "gender dysphoria" is a script trans people can follow in many places to get their treatment covered by insurance or other healthcare systems rather than having it treated as an elective procedure which they must pay for themselves
you should not destroy this script if you cannot replace it with something at least as good as "morphological freedom is a human right", and currently the replacement would be much worse than that

>>43378459
exactly right. the medicalization of gender dysphoria not only provides healthcare coverage but it also actually acts as a shield against the mental illness label that it defines itself as. if it were ever to come to a court of law where your sanity were in question it would be easy to contend that you were simply following a structurally incentivized script for insurance coverage and not actually of unsound judgment

>>43378575
high key retarded. the diagnosis isn't doing this its society's view of trans people. try using that same argument but replacing gender dysphoria with like depression, anxiety, or adhd or something. mental illness is a sliding scale giving something a diagnostic label does not instantly give that condition the same gravity as schizophrenia unless society thinks it does. people think you're crazy regardless. the label of gender dysphoria isnt what makes people think you're insane they think you're insane cause u want to change genders. get rid of gender dysphoria and people will think you are crazy and u wont be able to get gender affirming care. think pragmatical for once in your life instead of getting autisticly caught up idealism.

>>43374832
Mental illnesses are falsifiable, unlike flogiston you retard also stop posting toob

>>43377668
this

>>43378968
that is not what i meant. i was writing from the perspective of being considered mentally ill from a legal perspective in the eyes of the state, not a social perspective. consider someone who wants adderall and gets an adhd diagnosis to get it. in both cases the medicalization and diagnosis itself also provide the defense. your rant is due to your own lack of reading comprehension and unnecessary aggression

>>43379615
no it was my inability to write coherently. i was talking legally. a court doesn't care if you have a diagnosis or not they will still think ur nutz

>>43379651
it doesnt matter what they think if they cant prove it. someone addicted to adderall with an adhd diagnosis is different than someone without the adhd diagnosis.

>>43374832
no its a fictional substance bc its not a tangible thing you retard. gender dysphoria is a tangible mental illness because it causes significant internal distress and impairment to qol.

that's not an insult i have gd myself. its just a fact.

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>>43379751
oh wait no ur right im retarded an cant read i though you where saying the opposite of what you said my bad lol.

>>43374354
it's fine, it just shouldn't be used to gatekeep

also
blanchard is a fraud

>>43380863
its ok lol the topic was kind of confusing and hard to describe