What are your letters and do you actually see hons as women? I'm a troon who is in the semipassoid to passoid range and I struggle to see hons as actual women, I don't misgender them or treat them badly but internally, I just don't see them as such. Is this a common view?
If hons aren't women, you aren't either.
>>43376016depends on their behavior. How they talk and act, how their voice sounds, what they talk about. Nothing worse than a stereotypical white nerd lesbian who acts like a sex pest and all they talk about is what you would expect from a redditorLike, be 'normal' and just talk about regular stuff, nerdy interests are cool but there is a red line. Have decency and your own personalityTldr; it’s really not about the looks, but the person behind them for me
>>43376043>lettersT and B
>>43376016It depends on their soul. Some hons are women, some passoids are men. Superficial appearance means way less to me than what your personality is like. There are unironic women trapped in men's bodies and I feel compassion for their struggle.
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>>43376024tbhon I don't really demand that anyone considers me a woman internally, like, as long as they use the right pronouns and don't get violent against me, that's fine. passing avoids the problem of relying on someone's discretion on whether trans women are women for them to consider a passing trans woman to be a woman.>>43376046I think that's a fair view, I think if a hon was a soulpassoid, I'd probably see her as a woman as well>>43376043oh yeah, i've met so many transbians, reminds me of that twitter screenshot where a transbian was playing 3ds on a date
>>43376016unfunny reddit meme
>>43376046this is so true>>43376082I know that exact image. God, someone think of the optics haha
>>43376016The ultimate turing test is>Would you rather be a beautiful femboy or an ugly woman?
>>43376171>become beautiful femboy>transition>become beautiful womanI reject your reality and substitute my own
>>43376171not passing is so much more painful than being an ugly woman. Plus, makeup and styling will elevate you from even ugly to at least medium
>>43376016they're old janitor ladies to me. women but i still irrationally despise them
>>43376171i'd obviously pick woman every time unless there was a catch that i'd be so ugly to the point where i'd be mistaken for a man all the time
>>43376194Of course passers are both, Im both tooBut what matters more, your identity or your vanity?It seems obvious, but only to hons who play identity politics: Which do you think a biofem would choose?Protip: They'd choose to be beautiful and biomale over ugly and biofem every time.
>>43376217Hon detectedSorry Queen Isabella Cassandra, even your size 14 shoes dont give you away as quickly as your obsession with validation over what actually matters to real females.
>>43376221The grass is always greener on the other side. Doesnt say much about the pasture you're on
>>43376024fpbp
unlike a lot of girls here, i came out by integrating into my city's sneed community. tons of 'boomerhons', and in my experience they were aall incredibly sweet and supportive. they have a lot of really awful struggles that i rly sympathize with them forhonestly most of y'all need to get over how u feel about hons. honphobia leads to internalized transphobia which leads to a lot of the neuroses girls on here are afflicted by. hatred of the hon is just hatred of urself and u need to get over it
>>43376248If you are not willing to suffer for your vanity, why are you trying to be female? Have you not heard the saying that every mother tells every daughter?Beauty is Pain.
>>43376230well, if you didn't care about passing, what would be the point of being a cis woman? you'd essentially be like those hons who get srs and ba before ffs except you could have kids, but i don't want kids anyway
>>43376281>Hon tries to tell me about passingHow about you tell me what passing is once you can actually do it, then well talk, mmmk princess blueheart alexandria?
>>43376266i mean you're on here saying "hon" and "sneed" in reference to these sweet supportive people you know irl and i'm somehow left with the impression u are maybe not quite as over it as u would like to put across
>>43376296i started hrt at 17 and had ffs, i pass, at least visually i do though my voice kind of sucks
>>43376268Sounds like a skill issue my mom and I have a good time doing beauty stuff together it's not like a cult or suffering lol she didn't put me into finishing school
>>43376304i use the local vernacular here to make people more comfortable.
>>43376309>>43376315>HoncopeYou are why the culture prefers femboys to transwomen, good job hons.
>>43376329I sincerely hope for your sake that you're trolling and not a deranged sissy
>>43376326you wouldn't use these terms if you didn't, on some level, mean them
>>43376345i mean yeah my brain is all fucke dup by this place too. but my advice stands nevertheless. all of us need to get way more comfortable w nonpassing trans women. they are the wedge that will be used to ban our care, and they suffer the most out of all of us
>>43376329it's funny that you accuse me of honcoping while you're the one that's honcoping by saying that being a bio female is more important than passing. if you are a biofoid who doesn't pass, you'd be treated as a troon in many contexts and at best maybe you could garner some sympathy or even become a terf but what would be the point. i don't think there's that much depth to being female besides passing, i don't really it's as deep as some claim when they say they have a female soul and some form of sacred female socialization or some other magical trait that isn't available to those who weren't born female.
>>43376016No hons don't look like women to me because I have functional eye sight
>>43376309How's your ribcage looking?
>>43376016honestly real it is a bit of a strugglei do see them as women if theyre efforthons tho
>>43376016i see them as woman but i will think "oh wow she is fucking ugly she would probably have been better off as a man" but ill still see them as women
>>43376888i don't know, i'm more dysphoric about my shoulders than about my ribcage, i live in east asia and women here seem to have really narrow shoulders which is kinda depressing, but they don't really clock me, probably because they consider all european women to be cishons anyway, it's honestly kinda ropefuel that even at like 172cm, i'm taller than most men here
>>43376930Are you perhaps of slavic descent?
>>43376986no, i'm western european, why'd you ask? i don't think they particularly distinguish between different types of europeans here anyway, and everyone tends to assume that i'm from the usa
>>43376016I dont see hons as women because im transphobic. Its why im not a woman in my eyes either
>>43376016>Do you see hons as women?I don't even see them as human
>>43377451are you a hon?
>>43376016>What are your letters bi mtf repper>do you actually see hons as womeni've kinda sectioned transwomen off into a secret third category in my head. if they pass very very well i see them as women, if they pass very very poorly i see them as men, but like 90% of trannies are third gender to me. i honestly think this might be how a lot of people operate they just haven't thought about it for as long as i have and or don't want to say it cause "trans women are hecking women and such".
>>43376016>I struggle to see hons as actual womenkinda depends I guess on the hon and overall vibes, some I def don't and I also notice there's this thing hons do where they place a huge emphasis on certain shit tests or rituals of like being soul passing or feminine in certain ways, that imo is mostly cope at best and borderline sexist at worst, to deal with the fact that they don't physically pass. So for example you'll see hons talking about how you need to act a certain way or be respectable or whatnot. E.g. I've seen very well passing trans women wrap back around to liking playing with the idea of being boyish / being a boy / etc I think cause they get so fembrained that they can appreciate the clout of being an attractive boy.
>>43377517Think I am. Maybe a twinkhun if I'm lucky
>>43377556>but like 90% of trannies are third gender to mehonestly, it's kinda shitty but i'd be kinda okay with being seen as a third gender because it's a fairly down-to-earth take. i think it's kinda like that with trans women in thailand where they try not to push their luck with concessions from cissoids too far, in exchange for cissoids kinda just leaving them alone and it's in a weird status quo where they don't have full legal recognition but they're not getting hatecrimed left and right either and are generally well liked and well tolerated
>>43377819yup yup yupi almost certainly wouldn't repping if was the common understanding and it could just take hormones and dress how i want to without being still being treated like a man, but alas people are still convinced that the only reason i want to do this is because im a disgusting male pervert who wants to tear society apart.
I personally see hons as deformed or ugly woman. But thats just me I am not an incel prison gay crossdressing faggot your opinion may differ.
>>43376016i see hons as women if they put in the effort to actually present as a woman (clothes, makeup, styling, VOICE, mannerisms) and dont act like straight nerdy turboautist men. same criteria for any other tranny regardless of how well they pass>t. bi ranny
>>43378452>VOICEit's over for us voicehons
>>43378504>it's overit doesnt even have to be a perfectly passing voice, even just TRYING is enough. most tranners dont even try and i dont get it, using my straight manly man moid voice makes me wanna kms
>>43377514you STILL haven't killed yourself? stop fucking disappointing everyone for once in your life
