go outside. talk to real people. stop falling for emotionally driven narratives. realize nobody wants to kill you or other trans, we simply believe children can’t choose to change their gender till they are 18.
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>>43377656>We simply believe children can't choose to change their gender till they are 18The problem with this is that by 18 it's usually too late for someone to pass and be happy.Source: myself, 18 year old troon whose body is permanently disfigured from testosterone exposure. Of I had had puberty blockers and HRT at 13 I would've been fine
>>43378057lol, can’t let your stupid bait be ignored?
>>43377656>in the UK the conservatives are more friendly to trannies than the left wing labour partyWhat timeline are we in?
>>43378693yea, it's about helping to prevent others from the living hell we experience because medical care was denied to us.
>>43377656>we dont want to kill you>no hrt until 18???
>>43377656You're losing unc. The chud wave is dying down and we're heading towards a total trans victory
>>43378693it shouldn’t matter if you pass or not. like what if a trans person wants to have children, but are sterilized due to srs? these srs surgeries on kids can’t be reversed
>>43377656Yeah, this just isn't true. In the U.S., the Trump administration is pretty transparently working up toward a full ban on gender-affirming care for adults.
>>43377656Did you know that abortions can have PERMANENT and DANGEROUS effects of fertility? They're a big deal, so under 18s shouldn't be allowed to undertake untested and IRREPARABLE procedures, even with the "consent" of parents captured by far left ideology. They can wait until their brains are developed to decide if that's what they want. When they're of age, they can murder their unborn child, but the state will have no part in subsidizing that madness.
>>43378861nobody is suggesting that anyone under 18 should get srs
>>43379114im suggesting that
>>43377656why 18? brain finished developing at 25, clearly at 18 a child cannot think for themselves. get your facts right you tranny sympathiser
>>43377656i honestly wish the community would drop the medical transition before 18 thing. i know ur all bitterhons cause ur lateshits but its just such and easy wedge issue and i think it would be better for us all to be lateshits then the center of a never ending culture war front.
>>43379114> nobody is suggesting that anyone under 18 should get srsyet you oppose banning it. hmmmmmm
>>43379204if that were the only problem for them, they wouldnt be making bathroom bans and trying to make publicly available lists of trans people and excluding decades of medical literature from public policy decisions.if all those issues werent present and we didnt have the research we do now i would be fine with conceding something like that. however, all research shows that puberty blockers and hrt work for under 18s. and conservatives spend their free time talking about wanting to gun down trannies.
>>43379330> if that were the only problem for them, they wouldnt be making bathroom bans and trying to make publicly available lists of trans people and excluding decades of medical literature from public policy decisions.not every person who believes children should not undergo srs are republicans pr transphobes.
>>43379204yeah they should drop the whole medical transition thing for under 25 and 32 and 50 and 99 and 1000 too like come on
>>43379373no us state has banned srs for those over 18. it would be illegal for them to do so as that violates equal protection and gender identify protections. supreme court in 2020 said trans people are a protected class
>>43379204only groomer transbian support it
>>43379882they should though did you read that study where it says the brain isnt fully developed until 32
>>43380003you sell bent on defending bottom surgery for kindergarteners
>>43380115yeah that's my position we should also give them bottom surgery as 3 year olds and listen to the fetus in the womb to see if it wants to transition and then carry out the procedure then too just in case
>>43379114I would've had srs at 14, fuck you
>>43377656okay, when we talk to the hyper-online freaks that actually draft bills that republican senators sign without a second thought we see rightoids unanimously want to find whatever legal loophole they can to minimize the number of people able to medically transition at any age. it doesn't matter what joe schmoe thinks because he's not the one writing up the laws that will get passed and he definitely doesn't give enough of a shit to flip a vote just because some trannies are going to suffer.
>>43380201there are alot of moderate trans people who oppose sterilization of children. republicans are the party of free choice, you can only choose as an adult.
>we simply believe children can't choose to change their gender till they are 18can't wait til my 18th birthday and I magically become certain of what my gender is
>>43380394kill yourself
>>43380384libertarian republicans =/= statist elected republicans state representatives
>>43380394there are alot of moderate cis people who oppose drafting of laws that prevent a doctor from treating an adolescent's medical needs. democrats are the party of free choice, a liscensed doctor can and should be able to choose the right treatment for a patient.
>>43380493you can simply move to another us state if you need to do that. thats the thing with federalism. there isn't a one size fits all. i oppose a federal ban on gac for minors
>>43380570okay
>>43377656no, I will not be one of the good ones
>>43380570what about the people who can't?
>>43379204neverHRT at/before puberty is the only ethical treatment for gender dysphoria and should be allowed with proper guidance from professionals
>>43380614get in contact with planned parenthood in your state to set up transportation and funding.
>>43377656just as soon as you stop indoctrinating children into religion against their will.
>>43380640you're insane lol
>>43379204This is retarded. Do you think they'll leave us alone if we do that? No, they'll just continue their push to eradicate us. You will not appease them by being one of the good ones.
>>43377656this isnt true. the public wants to kill us and they are waiting for the legal go-ahead to kill us. they're LITERALLY ARMING THEMSELVES for it they're collecting weaponry to kill us with. they just need that go ahead and then they will get us all. round us up to kill us in pits or capture us and dismember us and keep us in soundproofed vans where they will torture us and keep us alive to torture us.>nobody wants to kill you or other transit's false it's FALSE i am hiding in my apartment today because it's FALSEthe new "neighbor" underneath me is an agent trying to get to me using legal methods of infiltrating my apartment building by becoming a tenant and waiting until she encounters me in the stairwell so she can kill me. it will be secret and safe for her to dispose of me.i can't leave my unit because i have to avoid her. i want to go outside for the sun but i can't go outsideyou dont get it. or youre trying to mislead us. you're trying to mislead us. you want us KILLED. i know what you are
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>>43379204It's easier to say being American, because one year of median salary can buy enough surgery to un-hon virtually anyone who started HRT at 18. UK people are basically peasants, after rent they have like 500 pounds to throw around. Starting early for them is their only hope.
>>43377656>go outside. talk to real people.no. Didn't even read the rest of what you said
>>43377656>we don't want to kill you, we just think you should be forced on the hormone that mutilates your body and turns you into a caricaturecan you imagine if you were forced to take estrogen at 11 and to stay on it for 7 years, and then you were stuck being 5'3 with tits and a foided frame that you had to reverse? can you imagine growing up like that seeing your peers develop normally and becoming increasingly alienated from them, and how much that would fuck you up mentally on top of the physical shit? probably not, since that would require empathy.
>>43379204alright I bite the bait I'm boredhrt for dysphoric minors is a net positive. we don't need ticking time bomb reppers becoming John50 optic nukes later on. by passing trans ppl are able to live fulfilling lives without unnecessary surgeries. hrt is OTC in a shit ton of places and only really dysphoric ppl would consider taking it anyway >>43378861actually I do lol. thailand used to allow SRS on 16yos (Susie Green had her daughter get srs there) until a gay rights activist group lobbied against it
>>43378861Passing and successfully treating dysphoria are probably correlated.>>43380384This is the real problem. It's not optics--it's conservative thinktanks. Most normies I talk to barely know transphobic laws are being passed, and they're clueless when it comes to the finer details.>>43382367The youngshit ban is to prevent as many passoids as possible. It's much harder to scream about someone being a dangerous predatory man when every one of your instincts says this person is female.
British people very horrible to trans people, very nasty, spiteful people
>>43378693Being ugly isn't a death sentence, you fucking weirdo.
>>43385486>Being ugly isn't a death sentence, you fucking weirdo.t. ugly weirdo
>>43385495>>43385486>Being ugly isn't a death sentence, you fucking weirdot. very clearly still living ugly weirdo
>>43385506>t. very clearly still living ugly weirdoThanks for reminding us of another negative
>>43385486if you actually understood what dysphoria is like you wouldn't say something so stupid
>>43385521there is a wide gulf of difference between real gender dysphoria and board-induced BDD
>>43385532how is not wanting to be a masculine brick not dysphoria related?
>>43385557this board makes people all mixed up between honphobia and dysphorialots of actual trans women end up as hons. and they are perfectly happy, as long as they inhabit a social world where they are seen as womenu, on the other hand, are a pornbrained male. and so something doesn't register as a woman for u unless it looks like a piece of fuckmeatdrop the honphobia, learn to be an ally to ur trans sisters, learn how to be nice and helpful and submissive instead of a chuddish moidish misanthrope
>>43385592NTA but I occupy the space where I'm cis passing but not really describable as fuckmeat. But still it has a major positive impact on my quality of life vs. people who weren't so lucky.Like I'm sure they'd still say their transitions were worthwhile and they're happier for having done it. But I also know too many people who can't get jobs post-transition.
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>>43381700euro poors stay seething
>>43381700>>43386714cope
>>43386760cope
>>43380394>republicans are the party of free choicethe choice to freely throat jewish cock on demand kek
>>43381700>after rent they have like 500 pounds to throw around.£100 for 50% of the population
it's actuallytrue the average chud doesn't wanna kill trannies themselves. they'd rather either>keep them as a prostitute caste>push them into repping>or force them into suicide to reinforce their biasesthe only people that truly wanna kill trannies with their own hands are third-world illiterate browns, and they actually do it.
>>43377656I'm not going outside with cissiods, go fuck yourself. plus you saying "no one wAnTs tO kIlL yoU" while denying trannies hrt is so fucking retarded and backwards.
>>43387041Brianna Ghey killers, you're wrong
>>43380782>people just hate us for no reasonIf you spread this idiotic lie you're just trying to get trans people killed. Childhood transition is extremely radicalizing for normal people who don't otherwise care about trans people.
>>43386714I am indeed a tad bit upsetti about how much lower code monkey salaries are here, as well as the language segregation, and having to choose between shit weather or shit economy and nig culture (if you've got the luxury of being able to emigrate)then again there's upsides
>>43379204sourgrapehon>>43387163>Childhood transition is extremely radicalizing for normal people who don't otherwise care about trans peoplehons that result from not transitioning early enough are 100X worse in this regard. I could care less about a law banning srs for minors (since it doesn't happen and also doesn't get less effective with age) to placate normalfags, but trying to block trannies under 18 from getting hrt is just straight up evil
>>43387163>Childhood transition is extremely radicalizing for normal people who don't otherwise care about trans people.The same chuds then travel to Thailand to rape youngshit passoids
>>43387163>Childhood transition is extremely radicalizing for normal people who don't otherwise care about trans peopleTrue, normal people see it as a form of rape, just like they do with gayness in minors. So we have to keep it in mind.
>>43387163Mostly because people are misinformed. See also this thread railing about SRS on minors. I think most people could be convinced to support medical transition for very well qualified youngshits, but everyone also sees kids trying on pronouns and realizes medicalizing most of them is a mistake. Like it *is* a phase for a lot of them.For adults the biggest wedges are sports and locker rooms, but even then I think they're starting to see the push against us as entirely too much.
>>43389113>See also this thread railing about SRS on minors.Alot of their fears would be relieved if we had a national law requiring sperm freezing for anyone undergoing SRS. There is alot of people who claim SRS is part of the white replacement theory to genocide the white race. >For adults the biggest wedges are sports and locker rooms,Those are really losing steam and I think a huge backlash is coming. Also sports can be solved with weight classes and bathroom unisex stales
>>43389177>requiring sperm freezing for anyone undergoing SRSI am absolutely unwilling to detransition (or depending on my capacity for fertility maybe even transition to male in a meaningful sense--I failed a lot of male puberty and have comically undersized testes) to appease the white nationalists. They don't want my genes.>wedges losing steamIndeed. There's still some life in the sports debate but they're way overextending themselves with bathroom bills.
>>43378738>left wing labour partythey havent been for a long time
>>43386772mald
>>43389593>I am absolutely unwilling to detransitionNobody is saying that. We are saying if you are gonna undergo SRS, there should be a mandatory sperm freezing in place for those who want kids in the future.
>>43389740Wait are you saying it's an option that should be available for those who want it? Because I absolutely agree then.
>>43377656>*till they are 25And transitioning should carry no social or legal expectations whatsoever.Move the framing away from "changing gender" (retarded) and towards "drastically altering your body for the purposes of self-expression" (still retarded but I don't have to be involved with your retardedness)
>>43389793>Wait are you saying it's an option that should be available for those who want it? Because I absolutely agree then.It should be mandatory.
>>43389902so a gender neutral society?
>>43389964Yeah, just like we had before transgenderism showed up reenforcing all these tired old gender stereotypes.
>>43389937Oh. Well I literally can't give a sample so... they'd have to try to medically treat that to get one.They don't want my genes anyway. They're clearly defective.
Cissiod scum fuck offI've helped 3 UK teens get on estrogen so far this year and I'm not stopping anytime soon
>>43389937breeders are so fucking weird. kys. the government shouldn't drink from everyones cum wells sorry
>>43390023oh my god shut the fuck up
>>43390304I will not. Transgenderism ruined everything and you having a cozy little lie to snuggle up with isn't worth it.
>>43390329A gender neutral society is 100x more utopian and difficult to enforce than integrating trans people.
>>43379204this. its not the hill to die on. supportive parents can find a way if their kid wants to troon. or like some trannies pinkpill kids and send them diy. its horrible optics for everyone. but nobody cares.
>>43390304Don't feed the trolls
>>43377656>realize nobody wants to kill youI've literally had some random drunk guy try to stab me before
>>43390510The good thing is that he is probably dead now
>>43390397Lies. Transgenderism enforces the gender binary. We had a gender neutral society in the 90s before all this nonsense. We all wore jeans and plaid shirts and labelling yourself as anything was considered lame. "Trans" people don't exist, they only manifest in a society that can't accept gender nonconformity, exactly the society WE DIDN'T WANT.
>>43390549that's nice, grandpa
>>43390962You should learn to listen. There's a lack of wisdom in the world today.
>>43390549People took cross sex hormones and got surgery in the 90s too. I learned all about it from Jerry Springer. Where were you?
