how can you be transgender if gender is a social construct and therefore not real?how can you be transsexual is sexuality is biological and therefore immutable?
>>43379112>if it's biological it's therefore immutableRetard logic
>>43379124ad-hominem:^)
(mental) gender and (reproductive) sex are both immutable so transgender and transsexual are both inadequate or misleading terms
>>43379168trans means across not changingwe just have bnct sizes of the opposite sexand sex isnt immutable
>>43379112sex is real, but it is also not immutable. also you can change your gender expression without changing your sex.
>>43379112transgender and transsexual are words that describe a group of people, so arguments about the meaning of the words doesn't actually matter that much - said people are going to exist whether or not you like the word they use to refer to themselves
>>43379112how can you be american if nationality is a social construct and therefore not real?the answer is that gender is social construct but it matters and the belief that you are the gender you identify as is not the same as saying that gender is social construct
>>43379112social constructs are a thing humans make to communicate and operate in the world. money is one, and so is the idea of a tree. the idea that gender and sex are complete immutable is retarded when it's very clearly not. inject someone with estrogen for long enough and their bodies change. the idea of Man and Woman is ultimately subjective and vibes based, there is no standard that doesn't include or exclude everyone you want to be men and women. usamericans have to be the most retarded people alive
>>43379257nationality is not an attribute of your physical being or personality.saying nationality isn't real is like saying toyota owners aren't real.you don't really understand the concept.
>>43379257America is a real country therefore i am an American
>>43379468yeah money is just as real as a tree lmaoyou don't even believe your own bs, how can you expect me to?
>>43379785retard, it's our classification calling something a tree that isn't real. wipe away humans from existence and the things we call trees will remain but the rules that we decided is the definition of trees won't please read with comprehension you ape
>>43379112>how can you be black if race is a social construct Girl stfu
Trans women are men.
>>43379481>nationality not physical or personality traitHow are you on 4chan and have never heard of stereotypes? It's the concept that people from different countries look and act a certain way.
>>43379112even without the concept of transsexuality id still be considered a sexual anomaly that’s incompatible with most people so i don’t give a fuck really
>>43380026that has to do with ethnicity and culture, not legal standing as a citizen>>43379862we classify trees based on their immutable attributes.a tree was a tree before we understood what it meant to be a tree
>>43380027Trans women are normal dyadic male men. Having severe autism doesn’t make you a woman.
>>43380104Gender is legally recognized.Culture is involved in what traits are considered masculine and feminine.People are told they "don't look" American, similar to being told they don't look female.I don't get how you don't get this. It's kind of fascinating.
>>43379112gender is real caused by hormonesgender roles and the social performance of those roles are the constructcis gendered people preferred gender role aligns with their natal sextrans gender people preferred gender role aligns with the opposite natal sexhope thos helps.
>biological and therefore immutable?biology is mutable. we can make blue corn.
>>43380322the legal recognition of gender is a reaction.the government did not invent gender, it is not intrinsic to a nation.you still don't understand nationality vs culture or ethnicity.
>>43379112>how can you be transgender if gender is a social construct and therefore not real?they have ulterior motives for proping up the social construct of gender>how can you be transsexual is sexuality is biological and therefore immutable?by exploiting the fact that a surgically inverted penis is homologous to a vagina in most contexts
>>43380405trvkethe point is that the body is more mutable than one's gender identity
>>43380496Legal recognition of gender is a reactionAnd yet, while humans weren't created by the government, freed slaves in the United States were recognized as people as a reaction to the Civil War. Laws move. It's why we have an appeals system.>don't understand culture vs nationality and ethnicitySo make me understand. Again, you fascinate me cos you seem so autistic you can't understand parallels if the names are different, since that's all you've got so far.
>>43380381gender is determined entirely by chromosomes >>43380405
>>43380608i already explained what nationality is. didn't you learn this in middle school?the rest of that isn't relevant to anything.>>43380405yeah by manipulating genetics. they don't turn the corn blue after it's grown.
>>43380822>they don't turn the corn blue after it's grown.if we did, the corn wouldn't be any less blue
>>43380952thus proving you view gender/sexuality as nothing more than an aesthetic
>>43380730no. you could argue partially but definitely not entirely. it's mostly hormones
>>43381012everything is aesthetic
>>43380104the label and the trees themselves are quite mutable. we made bananas into something meant for birds into something meant for humans. same with corn, or potatoes or apples and carrots. your certainty in your correctness stinks of american burger farts.
>>43381420nooo you cant compare humans to cultivars! reeeeee
>>43381420obsessed turd worlder lolmanipulating genetics is not the same as chopping off your dicknot to mention the fact that everything we've genetically modified is a warped abomination in comparison to it's natural form.most fruits and vegetables don't even produce seeds and broiler chickens are crushed under their own weight after a year.these things exist to be consumed.
>>43381288It is 100 percent chromosomes thats why trannies dont pass ever.
>>43381517so you would rather be wild than domesticated i take it?
>>43381547plenty of intersex people pass, and by your logic they are simply natty early transitioners
>>43381570Not without trickery.
How can you respond to this thread seriously? Just look at picrel
>>43379112Something can be a social construct and still real. Money is a social construct, it has value bc society has agreed it does. Money's still real. Social construct = man made idea dependent on social consensus
>>43381517says the chud shitting it up in a /lgbt/ thread for hours, responding to posts within 2 minutes. kids dying from blood cancer is nature in it's most natural, and yet we fight against that every day at great expense. you are retarding yourself with a caveman world view of ughh me fink nature only good and civilization bad!!! as you type on your computer and eat your bread. go shit yourself to death in the woods on wild berries, grug. the world would be so much nicer without people like you
Thus quoth the chud, fouling the /lgbt/ thread for many hours together, answering each post within the space of two minutes. Children perishing of blood cancer is Nature in her most natural form, and yet do we battle against it daily at monstrous cost. Thou retardest thine own self with a caveman’s philosophy, crying ‘Ugh, me think Nature only good and civilization evil!’ even as thou hammerest upon thy computer and devourest thy bread. Go then, shit thyself to death in the wild woods upon naught but savage berries, good Grug. The world would be far the sweeter without such as thee.
>>43381753ywnbaw
>>43381816says the chud shitting it up in a /lgbt/ thread for hours, responding to posts within 2 minutes. kids dying from blood cancer is nature in it's most natural, and yet we fight against that every day at great expense. you are retarding yourself with a caveman world view of ughh me fink nature only good and civilization bad!!! as you type on your computer and eat your bread. go shit yourself to death in the woods on wild berries, grug. the world would be so much nicer without people like you
>>43381560a man chooses, a slave obeys.are you a man, or are you a slave?
>>43381654>Life is meaningless to me so i got to project meaningless into other the left. Biological reality is no a social construct you born with dick or a vigina is reality and you can't change that no matter how many mental gymnastic yo do in you head.
>>43381851slaves are commonly castrated
>>43381851most men are obedient slaves to what society tells them they need to do to be seen as men worthy of respect
>>43381858You misunderstandIn the metaphor of money to gender physical dollar bill = genitals, that's real shit. Agreed value of money = gender, changable shit.
>>43381861by others. if you castrate by your own choice its different
>>43381689do you not get the little ! symbol in your browser whenever someone replies to a thread?why would i not reply to people posting in a thread i made?do you normally make threads and then ignore them? sounds like you're a retarded spammer.
>>43382526says the chud shitting it up in a /lgbt/ thread for days, responding to posts within 2 hours. anons getting the little ! symbol in their web browsers is nature in it's most natural, and yet we fight against that every day at great expense. you are retarding yourself with a caveman world view of ughh me fink nature only good and civilization bad!!! as you type on your computer and eat your bread. go shit yourself to death in the woods on wild bananas, grug. the world would be so much nicer without people like you
>>43382646grug SMASH transgenderism
>>43382986b-basedd
>>43382646damn thats crazy
>>43384177yeah
>>43379112Both of your questions start from false premises.Just because something is a social construct doesn’t mean it isn’t “real” in a practical sense—because we live in society. Money is a social construct, and so is language for that matter. If you want to take the position that neither of those things are “real,” then I don’t know what to tell you. Just because something is biological doesn’t mean it’s “immutable.” Hair color is biological—it’s genetic—but you can also dye your hair. Eyesight is biological, but you can get contacts. Gene-editing technology alone forecloses almost any version of your position.For the record, I’m a cisgay and I find most trans people annoying. But I find midwits who think they are smart one hundred thousand times more annoying.
>>43384689you don't know what immutable means. dying your hair does not change your actual hair color. you're just hiding it.bleaching your hair blonde does not make you a blonde, it makes you a brunette with bleached hair. you will never be blonde. you will never be a woman. you're just a pretender. the only person you're fooling is yourself.money and language are not personal attributes, they are systems. everyone knows that money and language are not real,nobody demands that you believe money has innate physical value.you are not required to pretend that a dollar is not a cotton sheet dyed green, everyone knows and accepts this. the value of a dollar and it's physical form are not in any way at odds with one another.by contrast, the denial that trannies live in is borderline schizophrenic. it's actually a form of self-loathing.if you hate midwits, you must be suicidal.
>>43384971trannies are self hating schizos
>>43380287>doesnt make you a womanbased, thanks anon
how r these lil niggas gonna cope when cyborgs and gene splicers are walking around their hood in 20 years?
>>43385430>how r these lil niggas gonna cope when *maladaptive daydream*that entire sentence is a cope
>>43384689i want to syd
>>43379481Saying that transgender or transsexual people don’t exist is like saying that Toyota owners or Mexicans aren’t real. See >>43379246>>43380104All matter is inherently mutable, retard.
>>43385949trannies don't exist, people who crossdress and call themselves trans exist, but they are not actually trans, because they never look more like the opposite of their birth sex, so the moniker is ill-suited
>>43379112I can literally alter my gene expression to express the female genes and mute the male ones, or vice versa.>>43379168Reproductive sex is immutable but reproductive sex is also irrelevant for people with non-functional/removed gonads. It's bizarre to obsess over it. Like do you think trannies think they can get pregnant?>>43384971>>43385971>the only person you're fooling is yourselfTonight I caught up with someone I met a year or so ago. I know for a fact I've outed myself to him. Anyway he was talking about how he didn't realize I was so involved in advocating for trans rights. I told him it was a matter of personal survival. He didn't understand.Somehow he forgot I was trans.That's not even the first time that's happened. Or that someone took it to mean I was FTM (and I guess REALLY not trying).The most fucked up thing is that time I went to a urologist and they inspected my junk and charted me as FTM.Cope, seethe, etc.
>>43385971Words gain their meanings from how they are used, retard. Your absurd claim that “trans people don’t exist” is predicated upon an assumption that “trans” means something different to what it actually means
>>43385971Trans people exist whether you like it or not. Trans people exist no matter how much you insist that they don’t.
>>43379112>how can you be transgender if gender is a social construct and therefore not real?you can't>how can you be transsexual is sexuality is biological and therefore immutable?biological modification
reminder to kill bioessentialists in minecraft
Biological essentialists deserve to be abused relentlessly until they kill themselves or at least until they are too broken to do anything. Biological essentialists deserve endless excruciating suffering.
>>43386055trans women are mentrans men are women
>>43386140Trans women are women. Trans men are men. “Trans” is an adjective. You should be forced to take remedial grade 3 English.
>>43385949ok, transmute your y chromosome into an x.i didn't say trannies don't exist, i said their self-perception is internally incoherent.>>43386132>>43386092>my pain is constant and sharp, and i do not hope for a better world for anyone>in fact, i want my pain to be inflicted on othersnobody is obligated to entertain your delusion
>>43379112>how can you be transgender if gender is a social construct and therefore not real?Technically, you can't be. But, since gender is still effectively real to everyone in practice(it's made up bullshit but still important, like social class used to be), one still can transition from one to the other.If we accept that gender isn't real, what else would you call changing one's gender(that's imaginary) than being transgender(that's also imaginary)? It's like, if I play a video game and I transport goods on WoW, am I a transporter? What other name would you assign the thing?>>43379871>Girl stfuNo, no. OP has a point. Race is bullshit. Black people are only black because society decided. If you look at the genes, "black" as a race makes no sense. Literally the one of only things unifying them from a biological standpint is the mellanin gene. Same goes for whites or asians. They look different. That's all race really is usually.
>>43386396No one is obliged to abstain from stabbing you 37 times in the chest.
>>43386396>ok, transmute your y chromosome into an x.You paying for the karyotype to confirm I did?
>>43386436the agp has deranged masculine power fantasies, what a surprise.
>>43386458There’s nothing in any of my replies that even remotely suggests that I might be an autogynephile. You are psychotic. You should be forcibly confined in a mental asylum and force-fed antipsychotics and subjected to electroshock therapy and not let out until you’ve learned to behave appropriately in society.
>how can you be transgender if gender is a social construct and therefore not real?I mean personal inclinations and physical experiences are real. The time period I'm in and the enforcement of its norms are real. it doesn't mean the exact two adult gender categories we have are like an Eternal Truth, and that we must and should continue enforcing the norms in the exact same way forever.>how can you be transsexual is sexuality is biological and therefore immutable?I assume you mean "sex." the short answer would be that transsexual used to be the term for what I was (like my doctors called me that, my community called me that) and I still identify with it out of habit. I don't usually say it though, because it's picked up a lot of embarrassing baggage over the years.The longer answer would be that physical sex has a lot of different...axes, factors involved other than just gametes or chromosomes or genitals, and 1) most of those are on a spectrum (ugh) and 2) many of them can be changed by physical transition.
>>43386499everything in your replies suggests agp lmao
>>43386396Nobody is obligated to entertain your delusion either>uhh the way your dna is wrapped up matters because... just because!!!! Uh uh.. nobody checks it but it matters!!!
>>43386830I repeat: there’s nothing in any of my replies that even remotely suggests that I might be an autogynephile. You are psychotic. You should be forcibly confined in a mental asylum and force-fed antipsychotics and subjected to electroshock therapy and not let out until you’ve learned to behave appropriately in society. End of discussion.
>>43384971>dying your hair does not change your actual hair colorIt changes by itself with puberty, aging, "real blonde" is a retarded meaningless term. Is a girl born with brown hair which lightened during childhood not a "real blonde"?
>>43384971Muh pretendeer muh real muh fookeRetard
>>43379112>biological and therefore immutablesmartest transphobe
>immutable I straight up realized i was trans from a biology class
>>43386873i immutably have eyeballs. scooping them out doesn't change biology!
>>43386873transphobia isn''t real because trans women actually are men
>>43386858refer to >>43384177
