Anastasia (animation).Its disgustingly anti-communist. I couldnt even make it past 20 minutes. The songs suck. And its disgusting that this is a kids movie where they are shoe borning capitalist vitriol to children who have no idea about that sorta stuff. Whenever americans get their grubby hands on something they make it measurably worse without fail.The songs in this suck too, which reminds me american people cant actually sing they just mimic english singers.
>>43389654Shoe horning*
>>43389654It's worse than just capitalist propaganda, it's fricking monarchist propaganda.
>>43389713I get where you're coming from. And though i used to be pro monarchy myself i do think its really bad too.. however. Functionally there is little difference between modern day end stage capitalism and monarchy since the wealth distribution is more or less the same.. aristocrats still exist and they wear fancy 10k $ suits and expensive 100k watches and live life on easy mode and partake in satanic parties.At least during the monarchy ages satanism wasnt seemingly a requirement. For democratic capitalism to work the populace needs to be educated and smart. However intelligence is on the downwards trend meaning a benevolent aristocracy is more realistic at this point than a functional democracy. So in some sense im still pro momarchy but i prefer more a merit based dictatoeship where only strong amd smart and kind people can rule, and all those who are evil and cruel are executed or banned from society.
>>43389654>ugly = villainamerican children are conditioned with lookism from a very young age
>>43389654Communism has caused the suffering of hundreds of millionsCapitalism has uplifted millions out of povertyIn my country, the communists caused massive hyperinflation, established a repressive security state that punished, tortured, and killed dissidents, even encouraging children to report their parents for saying anything against the regime and sent people to concentration camps, and soviet forces crushed an uprising against the repressive apparatus occupying the country that was smothering the people's freedom.It's really not funny to think communism is anything good or positive, it is neither kitsche nor cute, and whatever grievances you have against the current system is childish in comparison to those who endured the horrors of communist repression, which is on the same level of nazi terror. You are not standing with the oppressed, you stand with the oppressors who have robbed so many people of their human dignity.Capitalism, on the other hand, had improved the state of mankind immensely and you can see the fruits yourself. China post-1978, Vietnam post-1986, India post-1991, Poland post-1989. Every time a country liberalizes, hundreds of millions of people escape poverty in a single generation. Every time a country applies Marx (USSR, Cambodia, North Korea, Venezuela), it's famine and gulags.YThe truth is, you have internet, you are not starving, you do not have to only eat bread and rice and cheap grains, like my parents did, you have an abundance of fruits and meats and desserts. You have nothing to complain about except that you don't like working a 9-5 which even under communism people still did (except with worse hours, worse pay, and worse working conditions). Oh, and Labor Theory of Value is a complete sham.
>>43389777only reason USSR survived for so long was cuz that shithead FDR gave Stalin half of Europe
>>43389777Sigh ...... i .... find your lack of faith in communism, disturbing.........
>>43389775What's wrong with satanic rituals?>>43389777What about healthcare?
>>43389833it literally already fell you retard
Anastasia was rad, loved it as a kid.
>>43389856What about Cuba?
>>43389775>So in some sense im still pro momarchy but i prefer more a merit based dictatoeship where only strong amd smart and kind people can rule, and all those who are evil and cruel are executed or banned from society.I think future political systems are going to converge on something like that, because how else are humans going to be capable enough for interstellar exploration? IQ is decreasing across developed countries (granted for reasons more than just political system).
>>43389887Of course it opens up whole jew ethical dilemmas. But as long as the rulers are selected to be truly kind, than at least one can know that all those problems will be tackled to the best of their ability. Its hard to measure for kindness but its without a doubt the most important trait and it needs to be in all parts of government. Except maybe foreign policy because then there is the danger of being conquered by unkind nations. Also ur pic is awesome tfw no earth bending gf
>>43389923NEW ethical dilemmas *Not jew lol.
>>43389876Soon to be freeThey just have to wait their turn, USA is on cool down after venezuela
>>43389975>freeThere is no such thing as freedom under capitalism.
>>43389982You have a lot of freedomWhat freedom do you not have now that you want so bad?
>>43390019Freedom from intellectual property. Freedom to live where one pleases without being priced out by cost of living. Freedom of education. Freedom of health.
>>43389775>So in some sense im still pro momarchy but i prefer more a merit based dictatoeship where only strong amd smart and kind people can rule, and all those who are evil and cruel are executed or banned from society.i'm 14 and this is deep
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>>43390101Wow, great argument.
>>43389654>Its disgustingly anti-communist.but that's fantastic!!>>It's worse than just capitalist propaganda, it's fricking monarchist propaganda.Even better! The world was great before the communists sunk their claws into it!!
>>43390105You don't even have an argumentGo live in cuba or north korea, I'm sure you'll be happier there than in amerikkka
>>43390131Intellectual property shouldn't last a lifetime plus 70 years. It's fricking absurd.
>>43390114Based The only good communist is a dead one
>>43390151Capitalist sympathizers should be put in camps.
>>43390159No, we will kill you first
>>43390159be more grateful, without capitalism you wouldn't have a computer to post from or the apartment you're renting
>>43390197Why do you think we wouldn't have these things under communism?
>>43390214when you're going to have to review 37873878 shartillion different products to be produced you'll understand why communism is a failed ideology written by a satanic jew who also didn't understand a thing about materialism
>>43390246>a satanic jewOh you're an anti-semite. You're not worth talking to.
>>43390214?? because a) the goal of communism is eradicating the smart and capable people b) inventiveness/risk taking isn't rewarded c) every communist system collapses after 1-2 decades and that doesn't leave enough time for big scientific breakthroughs (also at least half of the population will have died from famines at this point)
>>43390266>the goal of communism is eradicating the smart and capable peopleJust because you're rich doesn't mean you're "smart and capable.">inventiveness/risk taking isn't rewardedIt's rewarded because the quality of life is rewarded.>every communist system collapses after 1-2 decadesBecause of capitalist intervention.>also at least half of the population will have died from famines at this pointAgain, because of capitalists placing embargoes on trade with communist countries.
>>43389777The suffering communism has caused is mostly caused by attempting to speedrun the material development of capitalism to get agrarian and/or feudal or quasi-feudal societies like Russia, China, Vietnam or Cuba to an industrialised stage where socialism could be accomplished. Capitalism only achieved the material conditions that exist under it today through obscene amounts of violence and repression over centuries all over the globe. Its just less directly attributable to centralised state planning. The transatlantic slave trade, the entire history of colonialism with all of its wars and genocides, the forced enclosure of common land in Europe, catastrophic famines in places like Ireland, India and Africa, continental wars of mass destruction marking every phase in the formation of European nation states, state suppression of the proletariat and worker's movements, suppression of women and non-hegemonic lifestyles and sexuality as the nuclear family emerged (that's us babey!!!) and continuing right up to the present day imperialist wars and genocides, horrendous exploitation of workers in the global south and of course levels of environmental destruction that are perilous to life on earth. And that's all on top of the essentially oppressive nature of just having to sell away most of your time on earth just to live, i.e the basic fact of existence for most under capitalism. But we don't tend to think of all that shit as caused by capitalism in the same way because it isn't necessarily directly attributable to a stupid five year plan from the politburo.
>>43390370None of that is realSlavery didn't build any wealth, it hurt wealth creation wherever it went by hampering creation of a market economy with market distortions (industrialized US north vs poor south)Colonialism was a wealth burning adventure that didn't create wealth, Europe burnt money on the colonies. Africa and other third world places are poor because they have low human capital and terrible institutions, not because of imperialist warsWorking is a part of the human condition, and under communism you would still work, you would just be poorer and have worse working conditions
>>43390430You're an actual mouth breathing retard if you think colonialism and slavery were historically inconsequential to why Europe became wealthy. Like, where do you think the cotton for the industrial textile mills in Europe or the northern US came from exactly?
>>43390430I love the way fascists always have these little just-so stories about why everything just is the way it is and always has been, no further critique or investigation required. Everything is just some immutable natural order. Ultimate fucking bootlicker brainrot ideology of all time.
>>43390517They were inconsequential and merely hampered growth and progressThe market distortions caused by slavery hampered development. Without it, they would have to pay people a fair wage for their labor and be incentives to develop technology and methods of working that are much more efficient.Slavery hampered progress wherever it went and it's clear that it is an extractionary institution that failed to build wealth.
>>43390555Damn you should write to the CEO of every company that relies on underpayed third world labour that they should pay all their workers higher wages because then they'd start inventing cool new shit and it would make the rich even richer than paying poverty wages
the fall of the soviet union was probably one of the worst things to ever happen to humanity
>>43390545Labor theory of value has been thoroughly refuted.The Marxist view of history and it's lynchpin 'labor theory of value' are nothing but a sham and have been refuted 150 years ago by the likes of Menger, Jevons, and Walras.Your theory on how the world works is no more useful to the world than theology; just pure manicheanism, that when applied has caused the suffering of millions of people.On the other hand, when works from the Wealth of Nations to Road to Serfdom have been applied to nations, it has resulted in economic progress, massive uplifting of the human condition, and greater freedoms than human being could ever dream of, that you now enjoy and currently use to agitate for totalitarianism and deny that same freedom to others. Your behavior could best be summed up as oppositional defiance disorder; nothing short of a petulant tantrum by childish resentment, in no doubt engendered by your own failures in life. You are a grown baby living in abundance who is having a fit because you feel personally slighted by a society that does not coddle you."But supposing the world has become “filled up”, so to speak, with liberal democracies, such as there exist no tyranny and oppression worthy of the name against which to struggle? Experience suggests that if men cannot struggle on behalf of a just cause because that just cause was victorious in an earlier generation, then they will struggle against the just cause. They will struggle for the sake of struggle. They will struggle, in other words, out of a certain boredom: for they cannot imagine living in a world without struggle. And if the greater part of the world in which they live is characterized by peaceful and prosperous liberal democracy, then they will struggle against that peace and prosperity, and against democracy."Francis Fukuyama,
Reminder that direction brain, ideological, black and white, and buzzword style thinking (communism, monarchism, capitalism, fascism) is dumb and the right thing to do is carefully analyze factual and experiential information to create policy that's fair and beneficial (especially long term) to the majority while not being overly restrictive on minorities (the uber wealthy in this case). Both deontology and utilitarianism are bad if taken to extremes.
Office since when are you pro communism? The last time I talked to you you mocked me just for thinking communism is the ideal society in theory.
>>43390695>>43390696this goes hard af if you're stupid
>>43390696"Hey killing innocents isnt all bad! It reduces our carbon footprint hey see i told you silly left and right wing people you should kneel before my centrist intellect there are no right answers to anything!"
>>43390719Mmm when did we last talk?
>>43390747Like a year ago I think
>>43390777Shrug no idea
>>43390695In what ways has it been refuted, if I may ask?
>>43390624>Damn you should write to the CEO of every company that relies on underpayed third world labour that they should pay all their workers higher wages because then they'd start inventing cool new shit and it would make the rich even richer than paying poverty wagesIn those countries, having a job at all is considered great income!To the people who exist in informal economies or subsistence farming that pay almost nothing, having a stable wage in a factory is a godsend, and those who find work will gain expertise and some will use that expertise to develop their own businesses and upskill even further, that's how you create a developed economy from scratch! It is how countries, even the west and China developed!And those of you who oppose that because of "exploitation" want to deny poor countries that opportunity just because you hate rich people and want them to stew in resentment and envy and anger and poverty are more evil than you can imagine!>>43390722What have you done with your life, are you such a genius? The truth is that you are failure. That's what you are, and that's the basis of your worldview. Double digit IQ in action.
>>43390825All of Marx's thought rests on the labor theory of value. The idea that the value of a good comes from the amount of labor necessary to produce it. If you accept this premise, then yes, his entire reasoning holds up. The capitalist "steals" the surplus value from the worker, exploitation is mathematical, revolution is inevitable.Except that in 1871, three economists (Menger in Austria, Jevons in England, Walras in Switzerland) independently discovered the same thing: value is not objective, it is subjective and marginal.A glass of water in the desert is worth a fortune. The same glass next to a river is worth nothing. The embodied labor is identical. So labor does not determine value. It's the consumer who values a good according to its marginal utility in a given context.Concrete example: you can spend 1000 hours knitting an ugly sweater that no one wants. According to Marx, that sweater has enormous value (lots of embodied labor). According to reality, it's worth nothing. Because no one wants it.Conversely, Bernard Arnault creates billions in value not because he "exploits" but because he knew how to anticipate and organize human desires on a massive scale. Value is created through coordination, not extracted through theft.This discovery (the marginalist revolution) invalidated the entire Marxist edifice. Not for ideological reasons, but for scientific ones. That's why no serious economics department in the world today teaches Marx as a valid analytical framework. We teach him in the history of thought, as something that some people "might" think but is otherwise totally refuted
>>43390736I'm not sure how you got that from my post as I'm espousing the opposite of the extreme example you gave.
>>43390874>A glass of water in the desert is worth a fortune, while next to a river it's worth nothingGetting the water into the desert requires labour, so water in the desert will have more value first of all. Also for other things it's importance does not affect the price. Food and tap water is cheap, but important, but expensive porcelain is basically useless, but still very expensive.>Concrete example: you can spend 1000 hours knitting an ugly sweater that no one wantsRead Chapter 1 of Capital. Marx literally addresses exactly this. Such a sweater would have no use value. Also a commodities value is not determined by the labour that went into that certain unit, but by the socially necessary labour time
>>43390977>socially necessary labour time1000 man hours doing subsistence farming to produce the same amount of food as mass agriculture does not have more value
>>43391048Marx also addresses this. New technology decreases the socially necessary labour time. Why not have a quick look at Chapter 1? It's not too long and easily available online
>>43389654Why would a film about a russian princess whos whole family were murdered by communists be pro communist?
>>43390517India and egypt
>>43389654>anti communist That’s a good thing anon.
>>43389876Cuba only survives because of gibs from Russia
>>43389654I really don't understand the need for LGBTs to defend communism when every communist country was immensely homophobic and more so transphobic The only exception being Cuba in the last two decades, all the others throughout history hated us
>>43389654What does that have to do with you being trans thoughbeit
>>43391517West Germany kept Nazi-era anti-LGBT laws and sentiments for a very long time. So much for Capitalism.
Cismoid opinion: whats the point of having real political beliefs beyond cool worldbuilding creative projects.Irl you can do nothing to change anything about anything even on a local level. We are all goyim and if the 1% said it's time to do holocaust again there is nothing any of us could do.
>>43390828Children working in cobalt mines in the Congo will start their own mining companies some day if they work hard enough!
>>43391684The cimmune will give ppl more than 3 rolls of oilet paper a month(real stat) if you just 400% that labour quota broski!!!(Also a real thing people were expected to do KEK.)Most eastern nations saw immediate and significant improvement in material goods and living conditions the second they swapped out for capitalism. Unironically no one situated geigraphically near the progenitors of communism wants anything to do with that LITERAL millitary psyop of an ideology(Funded by german millitary intelligence btw look it up.)Its only retarded americans who fell for a psyop which predates the second world war.
>>43391750>REAL REAL REAL>no sourcearinos https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/1958/reassessing-the-standard-of-living-in-the-soviet-union-an-analysis-using-archival-and-anthropometric-data>ABSTRACT: Remarkably large and rapid improvements in infant mortality, birth weight, child height and adult stature were recorded from approximately 1940 to the late 1960s.get btfo'd kike, as soon as the soviet union fell immediately gangsters took over the country, and now look what we have, a Russia run by oligarchs
>>43389654>communist anglophileI hope you have a good day! Please kill yourself!!!
I just want no transphobia, reasonable taxes on the ultra wealthy, and Japanese style PPP-maxing economic policies sisters can we not do weird extremist ideology please
