Why shouldn't i be a misandrist? All men are rapists. All men seem to be pedophiles or pedo-adjacent. Most of them have 0 humanity. And yes, I was abused by men in my life growing up, and so was my mother, it turned my mother hollow and she was a terrible parent but not an abuser or a rapist or anything like that, but it's not just a bias of this, since having had to have grown up in male social circles I heard all their disgusting fantasies, seen how they treat each other. I don't LIKE thinking this way but I've never seen a good argument, just vague "not all men". Well supposedly not all cops are bastards, but I've never seen one that didn't deliberately exacerbate a problem, and I'm white. I'm a transbian BTW, and if it matters until recently I was deeply repressing my homosexuality and trying to get with a man to seem like more of a woman, but I realized how backwards that was. And i admit i'm not a thinker or a reader. I just want opinions from people who might have an inkling of understanding. I don't know. This is causing friction with my friends, who aren't misandrist, and I just try not to bring it up but it's difficult since some of them are straight and bring up men. And then there's the news, we all constantly hear about how all these powerful abusers and pedophiles are out there making the world worse, so even current events are hard to discuss.
>>43393582i cant lie most men are exactly as you describe, and at the very least just slightly misogynistic cringe betas. I've met like a handful of actually decent men but surprise-surprise they all have partners already. most of the good men are the shy quirky artsy types who go to art college and love garfieldimo think of it like guilty until proven innocent when it comes to men
women are the real rapists
>>43393582being a misandrist is fineletting the misandry rule you and dictate how you live your life and seek joy is not, evil men win when you live scared of going out and being yourselfand I mean they do actually rule you even if you come out of hiding from society, like I shouldn't need to be in a group to feel safe going to a clubnot hating them in our situation would be weird, just dont let it rule your life>>43394128anon why are you so active on here?your posts are very distinctive and I see them any time any topic remotely related to misandry or misogyny pops upyou're letting your misogyny rule you, whoever abused you is winning for as long as you remain cooped up on 4chan screaming into the void like this
>>43394197women do terrible things and are almost never punished
Gender discrimination is wrong, just be a normal misanthrope
>>43393582You're 100% right. I think you'd find Right Wing Women by Andrea Dworkin a cathartic read.
>>43394234men do terrible things and don't get punished either except for when it's convenientthe problem is double standards and that certain people are either mitigated from if not immune to the same 'laws' (moreso metaphorical than literal) that others are so scathingly scrutinised by
>>43394234you're not punishing women though, you're just wallowing in misery on 4chan and generally being antisocialdon't go out and do something with your beliefs because you seem like the kind of dumbass who would pick someone totally innocent and only sabotage your cause, just go out and do something else, go live your lifethe time you spend obsessively posting on here every day is effectively killing you, your life loses all growth and meaning when you're so negative all the time
>>43393582>All men are rapists.Because most men aren't rapists.>All men seem to be pedophiles or pedo-adjacent.Because most men aren't pedo-adjacent>Most of them have 0 humanity.Because most of them have 100 humanity>And yes, I was abused by men in my life growing up, and so was my mother, it turned my mother hollow and she was a terrible parent but not an abuser or a rapist or anything like that, but it's not just a bias of this, since having had to have grown up in male social circles I heard all their disgusting fantasies, seen how they treat each other. That's horrible. But why should the innocent have to pay for the crimes of the guilty?> I don't LIKE thinking this way but I've never seen a good argument, just vague "not all men". Not all men is why. Think of all the trans men and gay men and disabled men if you must.>Well supposedly not all cops are bastards, but I've never seen one that didn't deliberately exacerbate a problem, and I'm white.Cops serve a vital function. Without them, you'd likely still be being abused by your dad. The same applies to cops. Don't punish the innocent cops for the crimes of the guilty. Doing so is the opposite of justice.>I'm a transbian BTW, and if it matters until recently I was deeply repressing my homosexuality and trying to get with a man to seem like more of a woman, but I realized how backwards that was.Yes. Good. Be gay. >reader. I just want opinions from people who might have an inkling of understanding.It doesn't take a genius to know that the murder detective doesn't shoot everyone to get the seriel murderer. You shouldn't either.>This is causing friction with my friends, who aren't misandrist, and I just try not to bring it up but it's difficult since some of them are straight and bring up men. Your friends are better than me. I just put up with it and jerk off b/c of my femdom fetish>all these powerful abusers and pedophilesAgain, don't punish the innocent. Simple as. They don't deserve prejudice
>>43393582Why do you think transitioning erases your original sin of being male?
Anybody who hates the opposite sex (or the same sex, which is worse) is mentally ill and retarded. They aren’t worth listening to or humouring unless they’re your friend in which case you should only do this so that you can help them get better. I have never met a misogynist or misandrist who was not both a miserable whiny depressive and a narcissistic danger to those around them.>transbianUnsurprising, you literally have the same attitude and identity trajection as Chris Chan
>>43394522mens indoctrination to the patriarchal widespread casual violence and aggression that supports and protects non-violent rapists starts in schools, you've probably experienced it, it takes the form of bullyingat every level of society "boys will be boys" erodes justice for women and anyone who isn't perfectly conforming to the patriarchies standard of a man>>43394782the problem is that the patriarchy is a real well studied thing and disputing it is almost exclusively done out of ignorancemodern capitalist society and the violence it perpetuates is a male institution
>>43394810Men hurt other men, women most affected
>>43394845Men hurt men who are less manly, they want victims to crow glory over, not challenges to their authority where they might lose and anyone who stands out is an acceptable target, and then when this attitude goes unpunished they learn that violence is acceptable against the weak and beat women and their kids at homePetty tyrants think they've done nothing wrong, that the oppressed deserve it, because this is what they learn from a very early age from the patriarchyagain, this starts in schools, this is the current understanding of the schoolyard bullying cycle
>>43393582Why should I suffer misandry for something I didn't do?
>>43393582said it before i'll say it againmisogyny is a survival adaptation
>>43394845This women most affected meme is so dumb because you literally just don't consider how these things affect women and how they get hurt too. And do you ever think of women with husband's brothers sons etc? Why do you never care about that? But lol no women most affected lol XD
>>43394978You hate it because it's accurate You people only care about male suffering when you can use it as ammunition for more feminism
>>43394978>lol XDThe enraged seething emanating from this post is palpable.
>>43394810>mens indoctrination to the patriarchal widespread casual violence and aggression that supports and protects non-violent rapists starts in schools, you've probably experienced it, it takes the form of bullying >at every level of society "boys will be boys" erodes justice for women and anyone who isn't perfectly conforming to the patriarchies standard of a man >But what does this have to do with not punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty?"Boys will be boys" is at the same time misandrist and mysogynist in different ways. If you want to stop misandry and misogyny, that's cool too. But I don't see how adding even more innocents to the mix is going to help your cause. You want justice, right? Explain to me how making innocent people pay for the crimes of the guilty is justice?And what makes you think that men will take kindly to that injustice, when men are born into injustice? All that being hateful to men really does is punish the oppressed men who don't have enough privilege to escape with just their man status, who then add to the growing number of blackpilled disengaged NEETS who have just as good reason to hate women as women do men(that being no good reason).
>>43394936if you're one of the good ones why are you rushing to the defence of the bad onesmisandrists aren't coming in going "ew faggots are evil" (generally)denying the existence of bad men is denying your own bullying in school, your own estrangement from social circles growing upit's one big system of pain and suffering and you're pulling for the side that beats you upthey wont stop beating you up, retard, normies can spot an autist within the first minute of verbal conversation, you will always be a victim of male violence in society for as long as you defend it, you will probably still be a victim after waking up but at least then you wont be a braindead moron protecting your oppressors>inb4 "nooo I'm not retarded"you're on 4chan, your post is retarded, wake the fuck up>>43395027>"Boys will be boys" is at the same time misandrist and mysogynist in different waysyeah that's the patriarchythat is the conceptyou have grasped it, it's not contradictory, it actually covers those bases and you would KNOW THIS if you studied it instead of shouting down people who experience it in a more heavily victimized wayI know you're ignorant because you show it, please stop making kneejerk assumptions about things out of ignoranceif you are a good man then dont yell at victims, that's what bad men do, stupid is as stupid does
>>43395027Don't expect coherent reasoning from this guy. They're a weak willed man who transitioned (while still being attracted to women ROFL) because they wanted an excuse for why they have such a shitty life.
>>43395027you know how when you're in school like half the boys in your grade would spit on you before they'd shake your hands and the teachers would do nothing?that's who you're defending as "innocents"that's the average man in societywhatever you experience day to day is a bubble, you live outside interraction with the average man in enough of your daily life to believe that you have left behind schoolyard bullying, maybe it's because the bullying pushed you to be an introverted shut in and you only talk to people online but in any case the world is still dark and mean and scary and you can start working to fix it or you can shut the fuck up when others speak about how much it sucks
>>43394978>But lol no women most affected lol XD
>>43395071your projection belies your own prejudices, you deserve to be rejected by every woman you ever meet for being an evil man, dont like it? dont be evilgrow as a personI am a cis faggot and not OP>>43395062>>43395086>>43394810>>43394197all me
>>43395116No that's actually me, who are you?
>>43393582Why bother? It wont save you from being raped.>And yes, I was abused by men in my life growing upYou deserved it for being weak and feckless :)
>>43393582Similar boat here. Men and boys have done nothing but hurt me my entire life. The "good ones" did fuck all to stop it.
>>43395201do you think you're a strong man?do you think you've joined the winning side?they all know you're an autistic 4chan loser, normies can tell in the first minutes of meeting you, you've just given up on living an authentic life and started spouting the normie patriarchal larpYou are the most mentally raped person in this thread, you have become their kicked, beaten and abused dog and you're not even getting off on it like the puppygirls are
>>43395008Men are not like institutional harmed in society though so even when stuff happens women basically always get the brunt of it in the end and you don't care about that>>43395024>>43395095I'm not even mad just annoyed but okay
>>43395254>do you think you're a strong man?strong enough to rape>do you think you've joined the winning side?don't need a side to rape>normies can tell in the first minutes of meeting youmore than enough time to catch them off guardyou're next on my rape list
>>43395254You're the one so shellshocked by your childhood trauma that you're crying on 4chan.You deserved all of it. If you weren't so pathetic you wouldn't have been abused. It was your own fault.
>>43395289>"nooooo, I'm not the victim I'm the oppressor"you are a totally mentally broken man, shell of a person>>43395318never been personally traumatized or seriously victimized, women around me were and I care about them so I care about thisalso university indoctrination lmao
>>43395062>yeah that's the patriarchyI already knew about the patriarchy before talking with you. Yes it exists. But it oppresses both men and women.>you have grasped it, it's not contradictory, it actually covers those bases and you would KNOW THIS if you studied it instead of shouting down people who experience it in a more heavily victimized way I mean, it shouldn't matter if you're a victim or not for this matter. Being a victim doesn't give you the right to be awful to other people who don't deserve it. >I know you're ignorant because you show it, please stop making kneejerk assumptions about things out of ignorance Kneejerk assumptions like punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty is not justice? Do you have some other idea of justice than I do? Or are referring to the "boys will be boys" thing? The reason I think that the "boys will be boys" thing is also bad for boys to hear is that it demands they be violent little shits or else they're not really "boys" or men. Like, I'm just telling you what it's like from the male side. I cannot attest to the female one.>if you are a good man then dont yell at victims, that's what bad men do, stupid is as stupid doesI don't yell at anyone, actually. >>43395071>Don't expect coherent reasoning from this guy.Maybe she can still reason. Trans women can do the Linux distros. >>43395086>boys in your grade would spit on you before they'd shake your hands and the teachers would do nothing? >that's who you're defending as "innocents" >that's the average man in society I mean, most of the teachers are women. And idk about blaming little kids for being assholes when they still wet their bed.>the world is still dark and mean and scary and you can start working to fix it or you can shut the fuck up when others speak about how much it sucksUh, but what does this have to do with justice? Are you saying I should just be quiet when people are prejudice against innocent dudes in order to get the guilty guys?
patriarchy = not realmatriarchy = realthis is inherently correct and disagreeing with this means you are a controlled operative, thanks and have a good day <3
>>43395270What kinds of "institutional harm" are we talking about here?You're gonna say some shit that was only true up until 1973 or something.
>Enter genderslop thread>People crying about being bullied in middle schoolYEP every time
>>43394342you literally are unable to hold women at fault for anythingwhat YOU are doing is far, far worse than anything a man could dowomen destroy lives, and you defend them blindly and blithely
>>43395439>women destroy livesonly men destroy lives on a societal scale :)
>>43395380the character of the patriarchy is male and exclusively supports evil male characterthat women often perpetuate it is incidental, it perpetuates itself through the character masculinity>Uh, but what does this have to do with justice? Are you saying I should just be quiet when people are prejudice against innocent dudes in order to get the guilty guys?it is establishing that the "innocent dudes" are part of the cycle of violence and until you stick out instead of being a small cog in a big machine you are contributingyou being a victim as a small cog doesnt mean you're not a cog as long as you participate in ityou shouting "protect the small cogs, not all small cogs are evil" ends with you protecting the big wheels those cogs make turn, they really want you to protect them>>43395408dude please seek help>>43395412no one is crying about it, it's the most easily grasped microcosm of the patriarchy I can be sure the average 4chan user has experiencedpatriarchal values may lead you to lie and say "not me, I was a normal kid growing up, I never got bullied for my autism" but you're posting on 4chan, aren't you? something has gone seriously wrong in your life, it is a fair assumption that you have known this part of the societal male violence machine
>>43394810This thread was literally prefaced by trying to justify hatred and discrimination of one of the sexes. Trying to couch your bigotry in criticism of the patriarchy is a cowardly attempt to transform your intolerance into moral superiority, this is literally the same thing that hoteps do to justify being homophobic or how white supremacists justify oppression of blacks by talking about crime stats. You can’t simultaneously say “I hate men” and “I want to help men”.>capitalism is le patriarchyThis is how we know you’re low iq, accusatory overspecification.Every society is patriarchal because men don’t have to invest as directly in childcare on a biological level. Besides, there have been no significant communist female heads of state, there have been for capitalism and monarchism.
>>43395454>patriarchal values may lead you to lie and say "not me, I was a normal kid growing up, I never got bullied for my autism"No I was severely bullied. As in had teeth knocked out of my skull bullied. It sucks. When you're a kid you are weak and don't understand much. But eventually you grow up and for 99% of people you get stronger and wiser. And at that point you are a different person and you can let go of the past. You gotta get over it.
>>43395481yeah see my starting point was "dont let a justified fear of persecution by society ruin your life, go out and live" and then a bunch of idiots showed up to debate the existence of male violence in society and claim they're one of the good ones and it devolved into you all making fools of yourselves while I rantyou fucking buffoonthis is why you're singlealso you might note my attitude towards the guy who has clearly been a serious victim of sexual violence by women is a whole lot softer than it is with you idiotsI didnt read your post
>>43395509okay so we're going back to the "normies know you're autistic in the first minute of a conversation" thing that's been studied recently, whatever superficial strengths you've gained will not protect you from institutional persecution for not fitting the normie male ideal, because you're blatantly autistic to the normie, they know it by instinct, they know to bully you even if you're the biggest gymrat in the world, strength of arms only protects you from hard power, you are still a victim of soft poweryou will get rejected from jobs, you will miss out on dates, you will be pigeonholed into a sad little corner of 4chan by society for as long as you continue trying to join the winning teamnormies will never love you, no matter how you try to pretend to be one they can always tellthe only answer is to tear it all down and you're with us or you're against us because that's how the machine works, it is adversarial and runs on the inaction of the lazy, the stupid and the easily misled (that's you, right now)
>>43395551>you will get rejected from jobs, you will miss out on dates, you will be pigeonholed into a sad little corner of 4chan by society for as long as you continue trying to join the winning teamI am in my second year of law school. I will be interning at a major plaintiff side employment firm in about 2 months (which is exactly what I wanted). I'm openly fruity and it has caused no major friction. I'm doing just fine. Your philosophy is a total waste of time imo. I hope you can heal and not take an absurdly adversarial stance wrt to society at large.
>>43393582>Why shouldn't i be a misandrist? Few reasons.>most of the world views you as a man>most of the world says the exact same things about trannies as you do about men (because they view trannies as perverted men)>continuing to participate in the gender war plays into the hands of (((certain individuals)))>cis women hate trannies just as much as anyone else does, you're not going to court favor with foids by talking about how much you hate men>arguing for bioessentialism ("all men are rapists") is very counter-productive if you're also trying to argue that sex can be changed
>>43395592oh man you're in for some fun, you really have no idealaw firms are so class stratifiedyou deserve the hell your career is going to be for your mental health for persisting in the belief that things will get better when you finish your degree in one of the most old boys clubs careers in existence (second only to politics, really)you made this bedlmaoalso I have no pity for you to try and change your mind anymore, you are a traitor to humanity and you are actually here defending the big wheels you want to become, just dieyou ARE the evil man and you WILL support institutional protection of rape and rapists if that's your careeryou deserve every bit of hate you get, have fun with crusing at the republican national convention all your life and never having a chance at love
>>43395641why do you want this random internet stranger to suffer so badly
>>43395671ogrehon with an all-encompassing hate towards men due to a projection of their own insecurities and failings.
>>43395641plaintiff side employment is woke as shit wtf are you talking about lol. if you said corporate defense is class stratified I might agree with you.really exposing your total ignorance here. >you ARE the evil man and you WILL support institutional protection of rape and rapists if that's your careerI will do more for working women in a year than you will ever do in your entire life.
>>43395671he came into the thread for victims to tell victims that they way they express their pain is wronghe should learn or he should stay out, as he is one of the parts of society that creates victims he should just find outpersonal growth cannot come from within with how deep down the dehumanizing slippery slope he is, he has lost his humanity
itt: men who think shitting on other men will make women hate them less (it won't, they still hate you)
>>43393582I fell down the rabbit hole of porn subreddits dedicated to degrading women and stuff and i have never felt more disgusted and my whole view of men is warped. I want to believe that they truly dont hate women but its lookin like they do
>>43395721I'm gay dude, I want my family to not grow up in a world that kills them and that world exists>>43395701you will shake hands with evil men for all your life in order to get quicker settlements and give less than is ever owed to victims and you will be happy with ityou are a huge part of what keeps the evil moving and working, you are their chosen compromise to get victims silencedthrow a brick at a judge sometime if you ever wanna redeem yourself
>>43395741>echo chamber dedicated to a warped version of reality (paid actor pornography) has people that have warped views of realityI have some shocking news about the consistency of water for you.
>>43395741misogyny is anonymously uttered words onlinemisandry is everywhere around you and you don't mind itpeople are constantly looking to blame men
>>43395454>the character of the patriarchy is male This doesn't make sense. You mean metaphorically? >exclusively supports evil male character >that women often perpetuate it is incidental, it perpetuates itself through the character masculinityIt's not always accidental from women. Sometimes they're incentivized and rewarded to support evil male behavior, if that's what you mean. Like, I don't even disagree that evil male character is the one running the show. In blackpill language, that's just called Chad. >it is establishing that the "innocent dudes" are part of the cycle of violence and until you stick out instead of being a small cog in a big machine you are contributing Right, so you think that all men contribute to the patriarchy just by existing and doing nothing. Last I checked, people didn't sign a social contract when they were born to help dismantle the patriarchy they did not create. Hence, men can be innocnet. They didn't do anything except not kill themselves. I don't see you accusing the ghosts of the men who killed themselves of still being a cog in the machine and perpetuating it.>you being a victim as a small cog doesnt mean you're not a cog as long as you participate in it >you shouting "protect the small cogs, not all small cogs are evil" ends with you protecting the big wheels those cogs make turn, they really want you to protect them Anon. This is the same argument you made as last time. And the reason you think you can make is is because you're not stairing down a parapalegic from from the age of 5 when you say that men are rapists and abusers over and over. This is the problem with profiling people. Fundamentally, it is not justice. The innocent do not deserve to pay for the crimes of the guilty.
>>43395764I need you to understand that being given an example of just how wide scale the commodification of female bodies is and thinking that's a sign misandry is the problem because men aren't being commodified and raped in equal measure isnt normal and you really need therapy for whatever demon from your past haunts you so badly
>>43393582bucause adding to the net hate in the world makes you part of the problem, I'm not saying you have to be okay with them but you should strive to find commonality where you can. I though transition would cure me of my hated of women, but it just made me feel more natural about the whole interchange, I think I still hold some bias agonist women, but that's mostly because of my life experience.
>>43393582bcus you’ll hurt their feewings and male ego xister ugh think of the innocent rapist apologist moids feelings >.<KAM. need more misandryposting trannies now >>43394522>Not all men is why. Think of all the trans men and gay men and disabled men if you must.so the requirement to not be an evil rapist as a man is either to be homosexual or dickless or disabled cool
>>43395764??????? literally the opposite
>>43395776The system creates the conditions in which men cannot be innocent through inaction alone, I am not the one seeing these conditions or making them upEven inaction, really, is not that, you will engage in and perpetuate society as a human, you will perpetuate patriarchal society if you aren't actively challenging yourself because of how pervasive it is in your behaviour, how you are conditioned from childhood (back to the schoolyard bullying bit, my apologies) to perpetuate it, indoctrination starts as soon as you start to walk and talk unless you grew up in a rare feminist household that didn't overcorrect in the inverse as a reactionary and perpetuate the patriarchy through contrastInaction supports rapeBut you're not being inactive, you're coming into a victims space and yelling at women who have experienced serious abuseYou fucking moron, you are not innocent, you are RIGHT NOW supporting the rape machine by arguing in favour of silencing victimsYou would be closer to the innocence you claim exists (it doesnt) if you said nothing, but you said something and made yourself an actual monster, if only for a momentIf you aren't a monster stop posting, grow a little, the next time you see one of these threads be supportive or fuck off
>>43395748>you will shake hands with evil men for all your life in order to get quicker settlementsprotip: when this happens, it usually happens for a good reason. its not because you're in cahoots with opposing counsel. you quite literally have no idea what you're talking about.>and give less than is ever owed to victims ok so who should be the arbiter of fair settlements?>you are their chosen compromise to get victims silencedjust lolyou need to drop the victim complex. its sad.
>>43395786"you're not allowed to be traumatized or a victim if you do it in a way I find ugly" is what you are sayingI know you dont hear it, because you're clueless, but that's what you're saying in real termsthat is what you are spreading and perpetuatingIf you yell at someone who says "I hate my abuser" you are just another abuser and you deserve to be hatedSelf fulfilling prophecy innitfucking morons in this thread
>>43395840okay so "it usually happens for a good reason" when you say this, when you really believe it, that's why you're less than humanyou believe in the systemyou actively support and uphold the systemthat is explicitly in support of a corrupt and failed systemyou hold the corruption in your heart as a good and just thing that has to exist for society to function and feel threatened when someone says society is the problemyou have accurately shown why you are the problemcongratulations, you are the patriarchyfix your heart or die
>>43393582I've been abused by women my whole life and every man just wants to manipulate them i try not to be a misogynist
>>43395843There's nothing that I can do that will ever be good enough, there's no reason to care. I claim my abuse from a very real place. I know you can't hear me too you stupid bitch.
>>43395776ah yes, naturally evolving social media that sprung up from the primordial soup
This thread proves that women don't deserve anything except slavery. ALL foids and men who betray their god given gift of a penis and XY chromosomes need to be raped, murdered, and strung up from streetlights. Women are too weak both mentally and physically to ever obtain a position of power without men bequeathing it to them. In enough time technology will advance to create bio-wombs, and when such a time arrives the female genocide will be enacted, and humanity will be saved from the vagina menace.The male form is the pinnacle of beauty, whereas the female form is a disgusting aberration that must be annihilated if our species has any chance at reaching the stars. Any woman born after their biological imperative becomes replaced will be sentenced to a life of hard labor on the moon or any barren planet without the chance of a male having their day ruined by seeing the horrifying visage of a foid.TOTAL FEMALE DEATH
>>43395840there can be no fair and just arbitration for women within the patriarchyyou have to at least be actively challenging the patriarchy first, and even then you need to understand that so long as the patriarchy exists it's not an achievable goal to reach a just and fair settlement for victims>>43395893yeah I don't want to further your trauma at all, I haven't yelled at you once have I?>>43395882it's not helpful to anyone to yell at other victims that you've been the victim toothe hurt is the same even if the perpetrators are differentI get that hurt people hurt people and that's normal and understandable but you need to in turn try your best to avoid doing it so you dont become the people who were monstrous to you in your lifeand this was the type of language I was using before people the thread is not about started invading like a FUCKING BARRISTER WHO SUPPORTS EVIL MEN came in here
if you ever want to know what women think of trannies just look up that one guy who goes on tiktok live and asks cis women if they're trans
>>43395917this man is broken
>>43395871>you believe in the systemI believe in aspects of the system while I am pretty disgusted with other aspects. I don't think its going away any time soon so I am content to work within it and help where I can. Its better than doing nothing but scolding on 4chan.But even if we discarded the entire system and replaced it with whatever you want, you would still need to have people decide what a fair settlement looks like for any instance of abuse. so again I ask you, who should do that?>fix your heart or diewho is going to kill me? you? lmao
>>43395922>yeah I don't want to further your trauma at all, I haven't yelled at you once have I?My only point is that that we should at least try as there's shitty people of all kinds.
>>43395924it's not enough that you be a miserable wretch, you have to promote infighting to make everyone else miserable, huh?sad existence isnt it?try something new>>43395952it's all a bit hollow when you came into a space for victims to protect the system though, do you not realize that?you have through action shown that your good deeds are superficial and performative, because the face we see in here where broader society cannot see you is the one that supports the abusive system
I wish I was abused by men in my life so badly. Only then would my trauma be actually considered valid. Im so fucking jealous of you OP
>>43395970yes, I agreeand what you are trying in here is not helping anyone, it just furthers hurt and drags things deeper into the mudyou NEED to find a safe space to vent your pain and I get that but invading other peoples spaces is not doing it>>43395982I hate that I know this feeling so deeplyloneliness gotta be an all timer worst human feeling
>>43395977>came into a space for victimsthis is a 4chan thread. it is not an AA circle. It is not a space for victims in any meaningful capacity. every time you post you just expose how terminally online you are.
all women deserve to be slaves, and they will be, and maybe they already are and there's truly no hope. Stuck in void of social media validation that tells them what to think. Never addressing the world for what it is.
>>43395931
All men are evil and disgusting except for me because im an innocent femboy femcel.I unironically believe that if we raised all men to be feminine, it would mostly fix societys problems.
>>43395995>Invading other peoples spaces is not doing itThis is a anonymous public board and I fit the definition of what this board is about, fuck off.
>>43395996yeah that's why I'm here preaching instead of providing comfort in those placesyou dont better the world by preaching to the choir, you have to go to where the most downtrodden people are if you actually want to lift them upI would probably do more good working in a soup kitchen but I cant do public transport on any kind of long term routine without getting schizophrenic about it
>>43396028male socialization is objectively better and makes one a stronger person, I think we should do the opposite.
>>43396030thread culture is not board culture, the board where you belong and the threads where you belong are not one and the sameit says a lot about you that your knee-jerk reaction to a thread for women who are victims of society is to yell at themput it in a pretty framing all you like, that's what you actually did when you came in here stupid(the framing is the patriarchy too and it's ugly to people who aren't blind)
>>43396033>if you actually want to lift them upxe says while mindlessly screeching about moid hate???
>>43396042>male socialization is objectively betterMale socialization has made most men rapists and/or abusers. Also, Men tend to be far more depressed too as a result of being socialized to not express emotions. Strength is meaningless in modern society, we arent out in the wild hunting down our food anymore.
>>43396033>I would probably do more good working in a soup kitchen but I cant do public transport on any kind of long term routine without getting schizophrenic about itjesus christ lmaoI take it all back. you rock anon. NEVER stop fighting the good fight on 4chan.org/lgbt/you are saving the world one post at a time #savingtheworldonepostatatime
>>43396049I mean, again, I direct you to me talking in an entirely different tone to the one guy who shows up to all these threads who clearly needs helpthe help you need is to be shown the error of your ways and loud bombastic hyperbole does that in a place like 4chan where civility is impossible and nothing laststhe help the barrister guy needs is to be shown the mortal door
>>43396058Outside of still needing physical labor here and there that requires a good deal of both strength and endurance, it's largely women who require men to be dumb brutes so they can feel "safe" around them
>>43395977>a space for victimsgenuinely where the fuck do you think you are
>>43396047I don't care if OP continues to hate, thats up to them and will ultimately hurt them, as someone who hates women in the same way I'm a good reflection as to what they can become by hating something fundamentally. I understand that it's wrong but at every interaction I have reinforces what I think.
>>43396078I may not be a woman, but as a gay femboy i always feel extremely uncomfortable around dumb brutes. Stupid obnoxious meatheads are a detriment to society.
>>43396058saying strength is meaningless in modern society is a very telling thing to say. You should think about that one a bit more, as it's very stupid.
>>43396091being told I can't hate women and that they are doing nothing wrong, over and over, just makes me hate them moreMURDER ALL WOMENSLIT THEIR THROATS
>>43396058>Male socialization has made most men rapists and/or abusers.There is a secret answer to this conundrum that has nothing to do with gender, but has everything to do with race and skintone.
>>43396108and here come the ad hominems, lol get new material.
>>43396105>I always feel inadequate and inferior around men who take care of their bodyftfy
>>43395824>The system creates the conditions in which men cannot be innocent through inaction alone, I am not the one seeing these conditions or making them upThis doesn't make any sense. So you think people can just be born guilty without committing any crime?>Even inaction, really, is not that, you will engage in and perpetuate society as a human, you will perpetuate patriarchal society if you aren't actively challenging yourself because of how pervasive it is in your behaviourIt depends on what you end up doing. >how you are conditioned from childhood (back to the schoolyard bullying bit, my apologies) to perpetuate it, indoctrination starts as soon as you start to walk and talkI mean, if you continue bullying people into adulthood as a male, that's on you. Other people shouldn't have to deal with your BS just because you're indoctrinated. And I grew up in one of those feminist households that did not overcorrect. Truly it is a matter of being principles that should guide your beliefs and actions, not what it means to be a man, or what politics say. >Inaction supports rape Inaction doesn't do anything. It's not action. The rape would happen on its own. People aren't born on this planet just to service other people. >But you're not being inactive, you're coming into a victims space and yelling at women who have experienced serious abuse There is no "victim's space" on 4chan, and even if there was, people being a victim doesn't give the. the right to victimize innocent people. Boys are victims to indoctrination. Does that justify what awful things some of them do later because of it?>You fucking moron, you are not innocent, you are RIGHT NOW supporting the rape machine by arguing in favour of silencing victims Does a judge support murder just because he demands justice for all who are innocent? And you asked for an argument against misandry. Now you're upset?>>43395898>ah yes, naturally evolving social media that sprung up from the primordial soup??
>>43396131kill all foids
>>43396085homie you are a victim of society, practically all of 4chan is (the zogbot propaganda machine is ofc excepted)some of you are just building the bars of your own prison and the others are trying to seek comfort in the darkthe whole fucking site is a place for The Raped and it's you, toopunching down further doesnt lift you upyou're just exhibiting the "hurt people hurt people" thingeveryone knows you've been victimized here and that should be comforting to you but because of the societal values that have beaten us down we think fragility and showing weakness will itself lead to further pain and suffering and shy away from ever opening upthe site itself gathers together over that common thread even if individual hobby discussion may not reflect itthe thing is that most people on this hellsite are open books to anyone who has started to move up and out of it because it's painfully transparent when you're no long trapped inside itanyway it's my genuine heartheld belief that losers on 4chan need comfort and love the most>>43396138>I didn't understand it =/= it doesn't make sensewell, I tried using schooling as an example and it didnt get through your head, idk what willyou're thicc af bro
>>43396132I probably take care of my body more than they do. I would rather kill myself than be an ugly buff hairless gorilla like them. I find their appearance genuinely repulsive. I am superior to them on an intellectual level, moral level, and appearance level.
>>43396162Female socialization>no I don't care if the art is of a man
>>43396162>I would rather kill myself than be an ugly buff hairless gorilla like them.Did you get this opinion before or after you started relating yourself to the fake beauty standard of cartoon yaoi men?> I am superior to them on an intellectual level, moral level, and appearance level.The only thing you're superior at is being a prancing lala homo man!
>>43396234He's definitely superior to (you)I'm sorry this brutal brainmogging happened to (you)
>>43396144>well, I tried using schooling as an example and it didnt get through your head, idk what will >you're thicc af broExplain how children who go to school without their consent are automatically guilty? They did not choose to be a captive audience. If when they're an adult they then choose to assault other people, then they are guilty, but not before. There needs to be a transgression, or they're innocent.
>>43396258>pretends to be a different anon to jerk himself offembarassing
>>43396265idk how the fuck you drew these conclusions from anything in this threadtake your meds I guess>>43396271you take your meds too
>>43396234>the fake beauty standard of cartoon yaoi men?lets not pretend like you didnt get your opinions from relating yourself to the buff men you see in media lmao.>a prancing lala homo man!And im still smarter and morally just than rapey wannabe-masculine moids like you.>>43396271wasnt me lol
>>43393582And who was there the whole time? women. And if they couldnt do nothing then then why try now? because you appeal to the very thing that you loathe. as a matter of fact, first wave feminism started with the french and american revolutions which were led by men. British feminism in a similar way didnt start until about a century later there. But lets go a step further. Why not just become misanthropic and hate all of humanity? Women do terrible shit its just they havent had the opportunities to carry it out at the frequency of men. If you believe the Germans who obeyed orders from the Nazis did the wrong thing then so do all those women from the past. Go ahead and be misandrist. Im already a transbian en passant. Ive been thinking myself I consider myself apolitical in the sense the uniparty doesnt represent me so Im political but I dont fit into the current political system. I consider myself independent because I need to have all tools at my disposal. I cannot toe your lines. But I can cross them. Thats why I declare myself a radical independent or even an extremist centrist. I will answer the call to dismantle this US government. Push for mandami or any virtually any other one. Dont vote for Newsome or any of the others. If you do you are bitch ass hypocrite.
OP has already decided that all men are ontologically evil regardless of how they actually behave. She won’t be convinced otherwise. Argument is pointless. Do not post in this thread.
>>43396282>>43396287No you're both the same poster it was revealed to me in a vision.
>>43396324>She won’t be convinced otherwise.>Sheanon.......
>>43396324I dont think OP has been here for a very long timeI think you mean me, the faggotmen are not ontologically evil, evil is conditioned into men by society on a massive scale and if you aren't against male society you are participating in the evil
>>43396408If being against male society means allowing a female society to form then I'll support abusing women for the rest of my life.
>>43396408I mean OP. OP believes that all men are ontologically evil regardless of how they actually behave.
>>43396442compare your post with this guys >>43396430tell me she has no reason to hold that belief when this position isnt the one you're debating
>>43396282>idk how the fuck you drew these conclusions from anything in this thread >take your meds I guess >Fine, let me break it down for you.>>43395824>The system creates the conditions in which men cannot be innocent through inaction alone, I am not the one seeing these conditions or making them up This can't be possible on principle. Inaction can't make one guilty unless they had some prior duty to act. They were not born on this planet with any duty to serve feminism. People are not means for anyone ends.>Even inaction, really, is not that,So, you're going to sneak in an action here. you will engage in and perpetuate society as a human, you will perpetuate patriarchal society if you aren't actively challenging yourself because of how pervasive it is in your behaviour, how you are conditioned from childhood (back to the schoolyard bullying bit, my apologies) to perpetuate it,So the action here is that you will perpetuate patriarchal society, vaguely, if you don't self examine. But, people will do a lot of bad things if they don't self examine. They're still responsible for their actions. If you choose to do something that you had a duty not to do, that's you're fault.>indoctrination starts as soon as you start to walk and talk unless you grew up in a rare feminist household that didn't overcorrect in the inverse as a reactionary and perpetuate the patriarchy through contrast You're acting as if men are just incapable of making choices or self-examining because of how they were raised. This is hardly true. It's one of the reasons so many men self-isolate, even from other men. It is not in most men's best interest to fuck over other people. It's not worth the responsibility or danger for that matter. There are pleanty of men who are just innocent, plainly. You can't beforehand call an entire demographic of people guilty. That's nuts. Men are individuals, like women. They can make their own choices.
>>43396507Women are literally not people. They're organic masturbators that were mistakenly given the ability to move around and speak. No harm inflicted upon them is immoral.
>>43395787>so the requirement to not be an evil rapist as a man is either to be homosexual or dickless or disabled coolSadly, yes. This is the only way to get the message over to feminists about their bigotry. Even just dickless men and gay men and disabled men are sufficient reason not to profile men thoughbeit. In reality it's even worse to profile men, because there are far more men than that who don't deserve prejudice.
>>43396534you support the patriarchy in a million little ways that are so deeply conditioned into you by society and indoctrination that you dont recognize you do itwhen you say "but I did nothing" you totally ignore this, inaction cannot create guilt, but you are an active participant, you just have blinders on limiting your ability to see what you do as anything other than normalthat is the insidious part of the patriarchy that makes being a bystander to it in support of ityou aren't an innocent bystander, you're just deluded into thinking it by a giant institution dedicated to normalizing brutalityon that note every passive American is more guilty than the global average by far
>>43395787>>43394522I have known rapist homo thug trans men in my life, it's not a free pass it's a "maybe you're okay" indicator
>>43396580>you support the patriarchy in a million little waysThere's no way to falisfy this. How do you suppose we could actually tell if I supported the patriarchy in a million little ways. What if you support the patriarchy in a million little ways? How would you prove me wrong?>when you say "but I did nothing" you totally ignore this, inaction cannot create guilt, but you are an active participant, you just have blinders on limiting your ability to see what you do as anything other than normal So, my action that created guilt in this case was saying that lots of men did nothing? Again, how is it unjust for a judge to demand the innocent not be punished?>that is the insidious part of the patriarchy that makes being a bystander to it in support of it By definition, no. A bystander is not in support of the patriarchy. If they were, then they wouldn't be a bystander.>you aren't an innocent bystander, you're just deluded into thinking it by a giant institution dedicated to normalizing brutality Uh, no. I consider all my actions, starting with duties I'm bound to. And when I'm shown to be mistaken, I take responsibility. >on that note every passive American is more guilty than the global average by farThat also doesn't make sense. A "passive american" isn't guilty. There needs to be an action to create the guilt. The American can't truly be passive if they are guilty.
>>43393582God...I really don't want this to be true either but I definitely know what you mean. I'm a repbro and I used to feel compelled to defend my "fellow men", even just the male gender as a cultural concept etc. Turns out I didn't really know what I was talking about, like at all. Apparently I have no idea how men work either, and I just can't keep up defending them anymore. There's simply too fucking much sexpestery from males, everywhere, at all times, for me to ever make a truly compelling argument. I'm just so tired. I really want to like men, like I want to like everybody. But they continue to baffle and disappoint me. I don't know what their deal is honestly, I just hope they find healthy ways to deal with all that anger and horniness ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>43396786>>Uh, no. I consider all my actions, starting with duties I'm bound to. And when I'm shown to be mistaken, I take responsibility.You haven't though, you've prevaricated and hummed and hawed and gone "that's not falsifiable" (nevermind that falsifiable proofs are not possible in sociology) and done everything in your power to eschew responsibility and weasel out of reflection of your own actions in modern societyThe most pressing way that you have supported the patriarchy in a little way, in a pissant weak man way, is by getting mad at women on the internet any time they speak up, I've seen you do it you little ratYou wont take responsibility, you wont change, all I can realistically do is belittle you and make you feel bad in the hopes you commit suicide and that's really a cruel thing to inflict on me you should just leave for both our sakesOr change, change by all means, change is very possible, but you have eroded all hope I have that you CAN change, that you exist in a state where change is even possible that you are not too much of a stubborn pigheaded man to actually admit your wrongs, see the wrongs of society and work to correct them, because in this thread in this place in this time you have shown you are far more invested and committed to the opposite, to actively furthering the wrongs of man, that is what you have done and that is what you continue to doif you reply in anything but contrition you prove ityou have been replying, showing no contrition all threadyou become the monster you deny exists by denying it in such a manner
>>43396507OP believes that all men are ontologically evil regardless of how they actually behave.
it's always retarded hearing this shit from trannies who are disproportionally narcissistic selfish uncaring monsters (projection)and also men
>>43396949yeah man, and that guy's posts support that positionwhen you debate her instead of debating her proof she just looks correct
>>43396949you disregard the ontologically evil elephant in the room, that guydisregarding the ontologically evil elephant in the room is how the patriarchy persistsyou're doing the thing
>>43396959you know that the thing about projection is that it usually reveals more things about ourselves rather than the person we're projecting our feelings onto, right?being self aware enough to recognize you're projecting is only half the process of self awareness as personal growthwhat does it mean about you that you assume the people around you are narcisstic selfish uncaring monsters and if it's just a history of abuse then you should probably not let that rule you in this way, there aren't monsters at every corner, they do exist but by blocking everyone out of your life by seeing it in everything you stop yourself from healingalso all of this also applies to everything OP said, you're very similar people in that regard
>>43396903>You haven't though, you've prevaricated and hummed and hawed and gone "that's not falsifiable" (nevermind that falsifiable proofs are not possible in sociology)Hence one of the reasons sociology is often a soft science, and also ethically questionable due to its subject matter being something that lawmakers will use to profile people.>and done everything in your power to eschew responsibility and weasel out of reflectionWeaseling? I've kept it pretty simple. What action have I done wrong?> you have supported the patriarchy in a little way, in a pissant weak man waySigh. This is meant to hurt me, but it kind of defeats feminism since you're insulting me for not being manly enough. >getting mad at women on the internet any time they speak up, I've seen you do it you little rat Oh, you have? Just like you've seen my million little actions?>all I can do is belittle you and make you feel bad in the hopes you commit suicide and that's really a cruel thing to inflict on me you should just leave for both our sakes Unfortunately that's why I come here. I crave ideas I am not yet desensitized to. >you have eroded all hope I have that you CAN changeWhy not? I've been reasonable. >you are not too much of a stubborn pigheaded man to actually admit your wrongsI've already told you why I don't see wrongs. >see the wrongs of society and work to correct them,I've told you why I don't want to correct them punishing the innocent.>you are far more invested and committed to the oppositeI'm committed to my reasons, because they're reasonable. Presented with a stronger reason, I would change.>to actively furthering the wrongs of man, that is what you have done and that is what you continue to do I've already explained why there aren't always wrongs.>if you reply without being sorry you prove my point.Uh, no. That's not how it works.>you become the monster you deny exists by denying it.That's a double bind. You might as well just call me a monster. Kek
>>43397139the means to study human society bely the need to study human societyif you believe we should not use any means but perfect means then go perfect the means and come back, until then the actual debate will continue with what is possible, without you, because this voice is not worthwhile to the discussionyou believe yourself reasonable because you have learned exceptional means to fool yourself into thinking you use reasoning when presented with logicyou are ruled by feelings, specifically the feeling that you are right so disagreement must be wrong, you dont challenge your beliefs
Retarded male brain faggotYou're self internalized misandry stems from you being a biological failure with untreated mental illness because you hate yourself for being a faggot tranny therefore you hate men
>>43397192>the means to study human society bely the need to study human society To a degree, yes.>if you believe we should not use any means but perfect means then go perfect the means and come back,>until then the actual debate will continue with what is possible, without you, because this voice is not worthwhile to the discussion When it comes to making judgements about people, especially discriminatory judgments, it's important not to be wrong. Sociology isn't nothing. Some of it is pretty good stuff, but much of it is borderline speculative and insists its truth based on case studies with far too many spurious factors to not be taken with large grain of salt. Sociology can better than annectodal evidence, but it can also often be worse in many cases. This is not to mention the political conflicts of interest and the ethics committees involved having their hands full. Also not to mention the publishing bias.Sociology is just, often, a soft science. Like I said before.>you believe yourself reasonable because you have learned exceptional means to fool yourself into thinking you use reasoning when presented with logic I've told you the reasons.>you are ruled by feelings, specifically the feeling that you are right so disagreement must be wrong, you dont challenge your beliefsUh, no. I could be wrong. Otherwise I wouldn't be talking with you really. I think this ultimately comes down to that I don't think it's right to punish the innocent, even for a good reason, and I don't think that men are guilty until they actually choose to do something wrong themselves.
>>43397296*yuoer
>>43394782Thank you for putting this based af take out there.
>>43395411Lots of stuff and nobody is even saying the real facts about it. The reason people don't like women most effected meme is because everytime people use it women are unironically most effected because of the same situation plus compounded social pressures of womanhood. You are literally using incel talking points right now
>>43397315well the good thing about this is that I'm not wrong and you are wilfully ignorantat this point, for legitimacy, you should really start reading feminist theory to take part in the debate>>43397296I'm a gay manShe left ages agoIt's just me and the bigots now, no trannies here doll
>>43396976>>43396997OP believes that all men are ontologically evil regardless of how they actually behave.
>>43397337>well the good thing about this is that I'm not wrong and you are wilfully ignorant >at this point, for legitimacy, you should really start reading feminist theory to take part in the debate >I already have a bit. A lot of it is similar to arguments white supremicists make if you just replace men with blacks. Granted of course the dynamics between men and women and between whites and blacks are different. What makes white supremicist arguments unfair often is the same for feminists, though it depends on the feminist. There are actually quite a few brands. I haven't had time as of late to get into it much. I know the terms enough to understand what a feminist is saying when she talks. But, I can assure you I'm not willfully ignorant. I've told you the reasons why I think what I do. Lots of people have made the same points I've made about how profiling people is wrong, even when feminists do it. And as it turns out, the feminist ideology and its academics aren't really with the mainstream use, or rather misuse, of feminism. Picrel(though I haven't watched her all that much) The coalition of feminism is different from the ideology at this point. Depending on how one defines "patriarchy" and which feminist you're speaking about, I could even be considered a feminist. Many agree with me that we shouldn't force men into male patriarchal roles, even when women are benefiting from men remaining in such roles.I want to get into it more, and it is a bit of pet interest and I have more pressing matters in my life for a couple months. But after that, I might read more feminists and find the alleged shota and calls for incest in there I've seen from lurking here for long enough.
>>43397453okayyou haven't challenged the thing that supports her beliefit's right there dude I have pointed it out I have spoonfed you with a map to what you need to challenge to disprove OPs beliefsthing is if you seriously do that, really commit to it and understand what challenging that guy's position means in male society in a public setting, you will become a full blown feminist at some point because male society will start rejecting you in support of him
>>43396579“le evil feminist wamen”kill yourself moid>>43396600what i’m saying.
>transbianrape with extra steps
>>43395062>43394936 (You) #>if you're one of the good ones why are you rushing to the defence of the bad ones>misandrists aren't coming in going "ew faggots are evil" (generally)>denying the existence of bad men is denying your own bullying in school, your own estrangement from social circles growing up>it's one big system of pain and suffering and you're pulling for the side that beats you up>they wont stop beating you up, retard, normies can spot an autist within the first minute of verbal conversation, you will always be a victim of male violence in society for as long as you defend it, you will probably still be a victim after waking up but at least then you wont be a braindead moron protecting your oppressors>>inb4 "nooo I'm not retarded">you're on 4chan, your post is retarded, wake the fuck upI'm not defending anybody. I know that most men are gross, but I'm not, so why should I be treated the same as them? If you had bad experiences with black people, will you start hating them all, even the ones who did nothing to you?
>>43397492OP believes that all men are ontologically evil regardless of how they actually behave.
>>43393582It is okay if u hate me for being a man, NonaI still wish u the best in life. may you find a gorgest[sic] transbian wife to be happy with 4ever and not have to worry about being hurt by a boyo
>>43396600>I have known rapist homo thug trans men in my life, it's not a free pass it's a "maybe you're okay" indicatorFree pass? You think those men are meant to pay just for being born? You think they're just born guilty?>>43398225>“le evil feminist wamen” >kill yourself moid You're right. Not all feminists are like this. But the vast majority concurs with dismissing the "not all men" thing. It's publically stated on mainstream feminist sources why they dismiss it, that being for utilitarian reasons. Unlike being a man, being a feminist is a choice, and the reasources online like r/feminism/ and r/askfeminism/ constitute the belief system. But you're right. I was mistaken in just saying "feminists bad." There are innocent feminists who go avgainst the mainstream and they don't deserve prejudice.
>>43393582its sad when trans women play into this kind of retarded ideology. most of the women who say this kind of shit dont view trans women as women and even if they say they support you you would have to be VERY gullible to think they believe you're the same as them. if someone thinks 4 billion people are rapists why do you think they would view trannies differently? a huge chunk of the population thinks youre a rapist anyway. no youre not one of the good ones youre a pick me. stop feeling guilty and hating yourself for what you were born for the sake of people that hate you.
>>43393582Would you ever hate a dog that was raised by a bad owner?
