>>43396221
If you think gays actually got accepted then you haven't truly understood the average person, the public insults and threats just got reduced to grumbles under their breath in fear of social repercussions. They still hate gays and you'd find out when trying to socialize while being open and out, with all sorts of snide remarks and rude questions.

>>43396221
I give it 2-3 years, though if the progs do woke 2, we will end up in the camps.

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>>43396221
It already happened
In the early 2000s pop culture treated trans as a neat quirk or a surprise. It was not a big political issue.
When gay marriage got affirmed by the supreme court in 2015 all the activist money the gay marriage cause had built up had to go somewhere - it went to "trans rights."
And that's how Dems became the trans party, and how trans became a political issue, which was the worst possible thing to happen to us.

I hope we go back to the 90s-2000s "wow a troon" discourse rather than being boogeymen to the right in exchange for being vassals of the left.

being trans is more accepted than being gay
gay acceptance is something only suggested by homophobes with an axe to grind

>>43396305
>They still hate gays and you'd find out when trying to socialize while being open and out, with all sorts of snide remarks and rude questions.
i realized this when i got called a low t fag on /x/ for talking about my dysphoria, then you go on this board and people regurgitate blanchard bullshit about whos "really" trans LOL

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>>43396221
When trannies shut up.

>>43397011
ok well be quiety now

>>43396221
it'll wax and wane with administrations but i don't think the more hardcore tranny hate will go away in less than a decade at the least. too much money and power has been invested into the tranny-outrage industrial complex. the gays had to deal with crazy evangelicals, the trannies will have to deal with a worldwide network of third-world troll farms funded by gazillionaires safeguarded by the most chronically obsessive psychopathic chuds imaginable.

I live in the UK. it will never die. Never.

People are rabid. America could be saved if you vote democrat for the next 3 election cycles, but the UK hates trans people more than anywhere on planet earth

>>43397119
I'm Canadian the cons here are obsessed with trans too

>>43397038
Good girl.

>>43397526
Yeah but your left-wing isnt.

Here the communist newspapers talk about killing trans people. Preachers scream about killing trans people in the street, and crowds nod their heads lol

Not saying Canada is a paradise, but at least some people are on your side, here its a shock if someone is nice to me, i remember all the different times over the years

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>>43396221
TTL will happen once we reach youngshit critical mass and finally break free of the hon cycle forever

>>43396305
You could say this about every group that was previously oppressed, even women and black people. There's still a clear difference in treatment between back then and now though and the same goes for gay people. I'll take grumbles under the breath over the alternative any fucking day.

>>43396221
the current media cycle is funded by JK Rowling so it ends whenever she dies or stops making money

>>43398021
god i hope. the brazil/thai prostitute status would at least be marginally better than the camps. also hoi maya.

>>43396221
About 50 years

40 years.

>>43396221
We are in a similar moment we were in 20 years ago, with more extreme rhetoric but the same dynamics. Instead of Bush's second term we have trumps, we have replaced Iraq with Iran and the housing bubble with the ai bubble, and the gay panic with the trans panic. The democrats won big in 2006 and they're poised to do it again in 2026, and unless trump summons 5 miracles a republican won't win 2028. Obama was initially hesitant about gay marriage and avoided it on the campaign trail and the next Democrat will probably take a similar stance on trans issues, but by then people will be so sick of the manufactured panic that it will be easy to push more progressive legislation. If you can survive 3 years you'll be fine, maga won't survive those years.

>>43400681
Trump gonna rig the elections

>>43396672
where are you from?

>>43397119
im so sorry you have to live there, genuinely seems like its always crawling towards 1984

>>43398021
i don't think we even need youngshit crit mass, even midshit crit mass and lots of twinkhons would go a long way. its a shame but hotness is necessary for mainstream acceptance

>>43400767
Kinda looks like he's gonna try to cancel elections citing "national security concerns"

>>43396221
From my point of view trans acceptance has already been achieved

>>43400788
>im so sorry you have to live there, genuinely seems like its always crawling towards 1984

The part about 1984 people rarely mention is interactions between others. Everyone is suspicious and distrustful, eager to be betray you. Theres a govt website where you can report people who you suspect of not really being disabled, so the govt can investigate.

It turns neighbourhoods against each other, it makes it so you can never trust or rely on anyone. The govt can pull up all files on you, and not even tell you they are doing it. Everyone is an enemy, especially being trans. People are eager to harm others.

Facial recognition cameras, palantir having access to all data, and a population thats taught to distrust the person next to them.

>>43400767
>>43400796
He wants to and will threaten to try again. He tried to before, the problem is once he openly rigs elections, the military can't follow orders to destroy the government they serve. He will try to use lawsuits and attempt to pass executive orders and hope courts don't strike them down, but he won't initiate a civil war he will lose.

>>43396221
I give it like, 2-5 years

>>43396221
Nah, this time it's different.

This time we rushed to acceptance and progress will mean reversing course.

>>43397987
what country?

>>43400897
fuck. that sounds horrifying. im sorry you have to live with that social environment

>>43400681
>democrats are poised to win big in 2026
Nigga, get your head out of your ass.
Even the polls made by the democrats (notorious for being wrong from 2014 onwards) give a D+2 in the House and Republicans keep the Senate.
Furthermore, who's gonna be the winning nominee in 2028? Gavin Newscum? Kek.
Nobody is winning big. You are in a bubble.

Y'all went too fast and too hard, and Queer activism isn't open to compromise the always gay rights were.

Gays worked incrementally. Civil unions, domestic partnerships, adoption rights, housing and employment protections. Allowed religious exemptions in certain circumstances. Showed up to the table in suits and nice haircuts. Respectability politics.

Trannys have gone full throttle, hormone therapy for children against parents wishes, allowing self-identifying mtfs to pull their dicks out in women's locker rooms. Gender unicorns for 1st graders. Threatening suicide if they don't get everything they want.

And the only thing worse than a Republican is a liberal.

Y'all are seen as crazy, uncompromising, and delusional. You need to come back to earth and figure out where you can win and maybe what the public isn't ready for just yet.

>>43400905
The old rules have gone. Trump is a dictator. He declared war on Iran, Congress said ok do what you want

>>43400998
Britain, where else

>>43396221
what being trans is has shifted in public perception from classic transsexuals to agp rapehons
i wouldn't hold my breath

>>43401000
Im grateful you listened.

Honestly? Probably not for another 60 or so years imo.

>>43396568
>It was not a big political issue.
holy retcon. trans was the butt of the dirtiest jokes. the absolute bottom of all dregs of society. the bottom of the bottom. even the bottom of prison culture. they werent even called transgender they were called transvestite.
>>43396221
there still hasnt been a single active gay mlb player

>>43401096
Nah, trannys have always been seen as weird, even dangerous.

The difference now is that we have organised collective punishment. So what i mean is lets say a trans person does something bad, everyone would say ugh disgusting then move on. Now that the billionaires are using govts against us, the moving on part has become collective punishment.

So previously, one weirdo does something bad, THEY got punished. Now one weirdo does something bad, we ALL get punished. Good example is putting mtfs in male prisons, barbaric and evil, and wasnt done in previous decades, now it is.

Recently a gay man raped several people in my country, gave them HIV. People said he was disgusting, evil etc. But there was no wider call to strip gay people of rights. Had they been trans, they would've taken rights away.

>>43396221
When tranners aren't viewed as an outgrowth of wokeness.

>>43401150
that's easier to achieve. Just shove the gigacommies out of public view and get right wing passoids in public.

People are already getting too poor and hungry to hate trannies. Expect a hard shift and a "we never hated trannies" rewrite in the next few years

>>43401022
1. Polls for senate and house races are notoriously flawed. Both polymarket and kalshi predicted trumps win but now they are both at 50 50 for the senate. If the Iran war drags out and the job market continues declining it will get worse and worse for republicans.

2. I sincerely don't think they will be dumb enough to pick newscum. He is a generally unpopular mayor in a liberal state, pitch him to centrists and they will run. He also has enough detractors among the far left and trans people that he is going on a uphill fight that the other candidates don't have. They need to either commit to a more popular progressive candidate or an inoffensive centrist candidate, and he's the worst of both worlds.

>>43401081
Presidents have started wars unannounced to congress since the cold war. This is just the older rules.

>>43401229
Difference is they at least tried to lie

>>43401238
What difference does a lie make to the truth?

>>43401247
here we go

>>43401273
Not getting involved

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I have a theory that the only reason gays and blacks were able to advance their civil rights was because they did it while there was still a mono culture, You could brainwash a whole nation into being more tolerant through tv, magazines, movies, and media.

But we live in the internet age where every one is stuck in their own algorithmic loop

it was much easier to social engineer in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_the_Ball_(Kirk_and_Madsen_book)

I suggest reading pic related, which advocates the idea of using propaganda to subvert american culture to turn it pro homosexual,
>Kirk and Madsen argued that, at the time they were writing, the gay movement had to a large extent been unsuccessful, and that some of the limited victories it had won were in danger of being overturned.

>They also put forward a new agenda to advance the cause of gay rights


just take this book and make it about trans people instead of gays

>>43401407
gays being able to marry legally, is not the same thing as gays being socially accepted

>>43401138
That probably stems from the fact that trannies are much rarer than gays, and most regular Joes don’t actually know any trannies personally.

It becomes really hard to keep up an ”all gays are evil” enemy stereotype if you actually interact with one and see that they are just a regular guy, and thus the dissonance has 2 main solutions
>burn your bridges with all gays, so that you can keep up your mental distance with them and see them as foreign ”other”
>or just accept that they are regular people after all
Most people who have a soul and aren’t raving conservatives find the latter subconsciously an much easier and pleasing option to choose.

But with trannies, most people don’t get to face that dissonance in their lives, so it becomes much easier to preserve the mental boogieman and see trannies as a le ebil collective blob.

>>43401407
def an interesting perspective, i feel like political polarization will be a barrier to mass acceptance until it gives way to something else. if everything is politicized and everyone's media feeds are algorithmically tailored to their views, how can change happen? especially with the ways that political memory of dif groups seems to be gone, the only thing that matters is what ever the current divisive issue is

>>43396221
The intensity will subside but there is no good reason for people to accept trannies so it will never happen. Seethe cope dilate.

>>43402567
What about them being heckin' human beings or something. The amount of hate directed towards them makes me feel sympathy.

>>43396221
it will only end when they realize they can't actually get rid of us, and that will still only get us grudging tolerance, exactly like what happened with gays
that said, once that becomes clear it will go surprisingly fast. people forget, but donald trump was the first president to enter office having stated openly that he was fine with gay marriage. obama had to lie about it to win his first term.
>>43396568
>When gay marriage got affirmed by the supreme court in 2015 all the activist money the gay marriage cause had built up had to go somewhere - it went to "trans rights."
this is backwards. the shift was driven by a wave anti-trans legislation in red states after obergefell meant republicans couldn't run on "defending traditional marriage" anymore.
the 2000s were also not good for trans people, though i can see a case for the early 2010s being the current peak of non-polarized tolerance.

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Homos are unlike you disgusting, nightmarish creatures, our lumping in with you certainly wasn't our choice or even discussed- and it was extremely deliberate it seems.
id willingly sit back and watch you all get round up
and ground into paste. "but they'll come for you next!" i doubt it, we have been around for as long as life has been, and i am sure that will continue.
Troons however deserve nothing less than draconian persecution.

>>43401138
>>43402366
I think theres another factor too. Its not just that we are rare, but that built into the trans experience (especially historically) is the idea of aging out of it almost. Living a life a closeted gay person means denying yourself romantic or sexual encounters to some extent. On the flip side, the goal of a lot of trans people is to enter a closet again and lead a full life as their actual gender. And passing to that degree is far more common than people (even on this board) realise. A lot of people have actually met or know or even really respect trans people without even knowing they are trans. Theres an awful situation where those with the most lived experience and most able to live a normal life stop being seen as trans people, and so the most visible of us are the ones that are the most strange and uncomfortable. It is, rightly, a cool thing for us to live a normal life and integrate socially. It also then stops us being representatives for our own causes because outing yourself once you're there has such a high cost.

>>43402990
This is why I as a tranny passoid argue for requiring all passoids to wear the tranny star of david. If cissoids are forced to be aware of the passoids they're interacting with it will slowly chip away hate.

>>43402944
Yeah but he was also publicly accepting of trannies even leading up to his first term, so I don't think his current cultists care too much what his actual beliefs may or may not be as long as said president allows them to shit on people they don't like right now.
>>43403056
Nah, it needs to be voluntary. You befriend somebody or at least gain their respect, then you come out to them so they can't put you in the retarded box they made with the stereotypical trannies they already hate. But then the question is whether we'll ever see a day when nonconformists of all groups in society will ever be accepted too. I don't think being part of a weird subculture should earn people unnecessary hatred or bullying either.

>>43403433
>Yeah but he was also publicly accepting of trannies even leading up to his first term, so I don't think his current cultists care too much what his actual beliefs may or may not be as long as said president allows them to shit on people they don't like right now.
i'm presenting that case as an illustration of how rapidly things changed for gays, not because i think trump's opinion matters much. we went from a democratic president who didn't think he could get elected if he supported gay marriage, straight to a republican president who didn't think he could get elected if he didn't support gay marriage.

>>43396305
Exactly this. I appeared gay before i trooned out and I got just as much shit for it then as I do now.

>>43400897
That's just false

>>43406988
What part is false, you glowie piece of shit?

When transbians accept that only hsts are actually trans.
The rest of you are creepy males fetishizing womanhood that’s why nobody likes you outside of your polycule and Reddit.

>>43405159
it didnt gets worse?

Already feels like it's winding down

I mean there's still latent hatred but it's taken down a notch. There's less outright virulent bullying and witch hunting

>>43410688
it’s amazing to conceive of cishets having the energy to care about gays in today’s society and economy

>>43410775
oh i believe it especially with the demographics shifting as hispanics are more conservative catholic. all it would take is the pope telling them what to think

>>43396221
Stop letting the LGBT do funded attenpts to groom children (challenge impossible)

So no. Trannies will forever be hated you dont have a say in what the LGBT does as a political movement. They want to groom they will groom and its all going to be exposed over and over. Like Drag Queen Story Hour...