is there even any point trying with a 17" bideltoid at 5'5" and a 19 BMIANSUR is hugboxy and even that puts it at 87th percentile but every AI puts it at >99th percentile everyone who complains about a 16.5" bideltoid and is taller than me i fucking hate you
>>43400015I look like left unironically, I want to kms so hard I’m a freak
>everyone who complains about a 16.5" bideltoid and is taller than me i fucking hate youHave higher standards for your envy, I’m you but marginally less fucked
>>43400079how tall are you?
>>4340001517" bideltoid is not that bad jfct. 18.2" bideltoid
>>434001395’7.5”
>>43400079Both of y'all are idiots. This is from the CAESAR civilian data set and shows that both of you are fucking stupid. This is before even adjusting for height, too, so y'all have genuinely good bideltoids. Now biacromial matters a lot more since it doesn't vary with soft tissue but still.
>>43400185at 5'5" it's literally unpassable >>43400187i would kill to have your height and shoulders they're definitely not the problem. is your underbust or hips fucked or something?
>>43400015brvtal. it’s maybe worth trying for the possibility of surgery? at least attempt it, if you otherwise pass large shoulders can be overlooked>t. called out 5’6.5” 16.5” bideltoid troon
>>43400230well yeah it's not adjusted for height also i mentioned my BMI for a reason my biacromial is probably like 15.5" guestimating
>>43400015It's not really that bad I'm shorter but a have 19 bideltoid and a lot of people have said to me that I could pass very well if a learn how to dress lol and was here so I don't think they were "hugboxing"
>>43400244expensive af but i'm looking into it
>>43400015im 5'6'' with 18'' bideltoid, i feel you im so sorry
>>43400253It's not adjusted for height is IN YOUR FAVOR BECAUSE YOU'RE TALLER THAN THE AVERAGE CIS WOMAN
>>43400015>ANSUR is hugboxyyou people should really just kill yourselves
>>43400291nta but it is. i can’t explain how but visually seeing how i compare to women is enough proof that something isn’t right on there
>>43400314this is a mix of dysphoria and BDD a lot of the times, but also negativity bias. You largely only notice the pretty women who are smaller than you.
>>43400314>i can’t explain howget a rope lil bro
>>43400314thats called body dysmorphia hope this helps :3
>>43400323all these mfers only notice skinny 18 yo models with heaps of plastic surgery and think that's the average women I hate all of you bitches here omg literally go to like a grocery store at 7 pm and look around and you will see millions of women clockier than yourself who have husbands and children and are shopping for celery on a Tuesday or whatever the fuck omg
>>43400015>yet another "it's over" thread>"omg i'm such a fucking hon i'll never pass gonna kms!!!">look inside>fine ass measurementsy'all need to stop being so pessimistic... i'm a 6'1" bitch with 19.5" shoulders, and i'll not gave up on my transition just cuz of that. i'll probably don't pass in the future, and i'm ok with that.
>>43400291measurements taken from military personnel who are on average more muscular than any random person, of course shoulder widths will be exaggerated EVERY woman i see at the same height has narrower shoulders unless they're obese, women taller than me have narrower shoulders, going for a walk in any public space is all the proof i need
>>43400358I linked the CAESAR data set, which is civilians, specifically for this reason.
>>43400358then get muscular or smtng idk stop whining all you cunts do is whine all fucking day poor me poor me iwnbaw nothing of substance rattling around in that skull take your pills and shut the fuck up
>>43400353uhh no? because i'm comparing to women around my age, there's no comparison to be made with me and a boomer>>43400357i'm sorry>i'll probably don't pass in the future, and i'm ok with that.i don't get this logic
>>43400399God you're stupid
>>43400386i don't see the point of there's no filter for BMI or height, no shit overweight people have larger shoulders too bad i'm not overweight >>43400390>get muscularwhat?
>>43400323tbdesu maybe also some selection bias as the primary demographic i see is women at university >>43400332on it>>43400333i am diagnosed with bdd but numbers don’t lie
the important one is shoulder width to hip width and upper body to lower body mass you can be a tiny little boy thing with "female" numbers in a vacuum but will always look male altogether proportionally, even if the most small petite male compared to others.
>>43400413what's your biacromialmeasure it now
>>434004181.3 shr it's over
>>43400424biacromial can't be accurately measured at home, but the most accurate i've probably gotten is 0.75" difference on each side so 15.5"
>>43400429SHR is based on circumference. Female range is typically 0.9-1.22.
>>43400399>i don't get this logicof course, i would love to pass as a beautiful woman. i can can and will do what's possible to make myself more feminine. but i have to be realistic, and accept that i won't be able to change everything, cuz i'm aware of my own anatomy.
>>43400441Can you simply lean to a wall an draw a dot where the shoulders are and measure that distance or that doesn't work?
>>43400429not the worst but you probably routinely notice cis men with narrower shoulders proportionally than you even if they are like 160+ lbsmakes me feel like a weird third gender pocket chadling >>43400448circumference is misleading, width is actually what clocks
>>43400464thats bidelt not biacromial
>>43400015I used to complain about a 16-16.5" bideltoid at 5'8 looool
>>43400448i've seen varying definitions but front view is all that matters>>43400464no, even getting someone else doesn't really work because it's hard to feel for the bone accurately and any slight error matters a lot>>43400473literally is the worst when the male average is ~1.2 there's this twink in one of my classes who has 15" shoulders and is the same height as me and i feel suicidal every time i see him
>>43400485Damn then who the fuck you measure biacromial every video that I see just tell to do that lol
>>43400504The "male average" figure is, again, based on circumference and not on width.
>>43400534i'd need to see a source for that as everything conflicts my circ SHR is 1.08 which makes no sense because my front view is clearly a moid's
>>43400505its measured by someone else with calipers i think
>>43400554amab bodies seem to have narrow shoulders from the side and wider hips from the side.women can have narrow shoulders from the front/back but thick from the side and narrow hips (flat ass) from the front to back. pelvis shape differences or glute muscle or something. its why every trans girl angles her waist and hip the same way in pictures
>>43400572here it is. this is why circumference is hugbox and width is what matters
>>43400572>>43400591yeah that's what i thought thanks if people sincerely believe it's not over for me they're allowed to say that but lying blatantly doesn't help
>>43400627its not over, we just have the androgynous 3rd gender body type. still fem compared to men. just not an afab but you already know that
>>43400554Here's the study the 1.18 male average is pulled from: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513802001496#:~:text=Another%20sexually%20dimorphic%20feature%20is,et%20al.%2C%201997).>Another sexually dimorphic feature is shoulder to hip ratio (SHR), the circumference of the shoulders relative to the hips. Broad shoulders and narrow hips tend to be a masculine trait related to testosterone (Kasperk et al., 1997).>Male SHRs (M=1.18±0.071, range 1.03–1.40) significantly (t=10.41, P<.01) exceeded female SHRs (M=1.03±0.066, range 0.90–1.22). Here and subsequently, M signifies mean±standard deviation.
>>43400591Yes but people dooming over 1.3 SHR when they're measuring the wrong fucking thing is stupid
>>43400683idk i feel like a lot of moids have the second, it looks more masculine than feminine to me >>43400687idk anymore
>>43400709you look ftm
>>43400709This you OP? What’s your hip breadth? Mogs me as always
>>43400709you are foidalyou literally look like a pre-T poonerWear your pants higher, gain a little bit of weight, and start working out your glutes
>>43400761illiac is 12"
>>43400756>>43400769anglefrauded
>>43400778>>43400929dude shut up go get laid you have it good
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