>>43400312
They both sound incredibly obnoxious.

>>43400312
Part of being a man is carving ones own path in life if he's unable to do that then it really might be best if he continues to cope in that way. I'm also of the opinion if you didn't get socialized early enough in the gender you want to be, the best one can hope to do is ease their pain and cope. I don't think we ever lose the gender roles we are assigned at birth, I truly feel for trans men but as a trans women I have enough to deal with as is.

>>43400312
I've known multiple people like this and without fail they're just covid faketranners. all of them end up this way. when they get married and pregnant they'll be happy because they're women. if a hefab is trutrans they'll eventually diy if they know about it, but given everything you've said about this guy he's probably just a regular old woman munchie

Nona, it should not be hard for you to figure out that your friend is a retarded trender.
>not on hormones
>very female friendgroup
>willingly dating a normalfag conservative beta who doesn’t respect “his” identity
This is terminally fembrained shit. As is your humouring “his” bullshit, so at least you’re actually trans.
>inb4 the bf isn’t a beta
If he wasn’t then he wouldn’t put up with this shit at all. Forcing through detransing a trender to set himself up with a bpdemon who will take half his stuff in 10 years

>>43400312
>well, I don't wanna bald and hormones scary.
Ftms need to be informed that going bald is a choice that a man makes. If you go on duta one year on t, you will have a head full of hair forever + no beard or body hair

Being bald is 100% a choice and its a choice you don't have to make. You can customize your puberty. If any male screams at you that you cannot pick and choose, silence him as he is just bitter that he choosed to go bald.

You can be the pretty yaoi uke of your dreams. Testo + duta will make you beautiful

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>>43400466
>inb4ing your own post

>>43400466
Its so interesting that you say so when trans women here try to convince every agp sissy fetishist that they are actually trans and need to transition. Idk what I would call it...misogyny? As woman I notice the bias you have against females. Makes me really dislike you people

>>43400493
You’re right but this further proves that OP’s friend is a trender.
>>43400506
sorry DOOD

>>43400533
>Makes me really dislike you people
oh no, who the hell cares? Afabs are evil anyway. You're not threatening anyone with this.

>>43400544
>sorry DOOD
fucking kek you can't even convincingly pretend to believe i have a vulva. put some spice in the teriyaki for cryin' out loud

>>43400533
>you’re actually a misogynist for criticising trenders
>essentially admitting that OP’s friend is a woman
>ugh you’re probably one of those gross moid perverts who pretends to be a woman
Least blatantly transphobic theyfab/trender or theyfab/trender defender. You’re the one who brought up AGP and sissies out of nowhere because a wombyn was being criticised

>>43400553
> put some spice in the teriyaki for cryin' out loud
>unironically writing like this
Looks like OP isn’t the only one who needs to go back

>>43400581
whenever a true genius appears in the world, etc.

>>43400570
I'm a normal woman. i don't really care about trans people that much but I care about misogyny when I see it. Also "wombyn" ugh your are leddit troon, more proof of how you are a misogynist

>>43400551
I just want to let you know that I'm here and I see through you. Its pretty weird when males who hate women want to become women.

>>43400600
>im a true genius for crusading to defend trenders on 4chan and calling actual queer people misogynists for finding this behaviour obnoxious
When are you going to get a trip? You seem like the kind of poster who would. Are you too broke?

>>43400466
OP here -

Idrc about the tired debate /TTTT/ debate that's going on here, but just on my friend's gender.

He's used a binder and told me he enjoys it.

Not only that, but he's talked extensively to me about having significant dysphoria that isn't transtrending, "I hate my Mom" type bullshit. Geniune top dysphoria. Geniune disassociation. I've known him for two years and its my opinion that most of the mental illnesses he has is related to fact that he's trans growing up in a trans body in a world that doesn't understand creates the disorders. Water is wet.

And no, he's not into yaoi and finds yaoi repulsive. Stop projecting poonerisms and read.

>>43400606
I’m a trans man. I find it obnoxious that there are so many afabs and white knights for them that cannot help but defend obnoxious behaviour, it’s beyond stereotypical and hurts everyone else.
>I’m a normal woman
you’re on 4chan.

>>43400615
i'm not defending any trenders. i said the OP is leddit. are you OP, or the newfag whom i taught the inb4 rule?

>>43400643
Should I call out my friend's boyfriend or is this something that he needs to independently stand up to?

>>43400638
Ok, sorry OP, I was making unfair assumptions about your friend. The dysphoria stuff actually sounds like my own experience.
Have you explained the shit his bf said about him to him? Especially the conversion and misgendering stuff. I think you really need to help him get away from that if you can, his bf is only going to get worse if he detransitions.
You should’ve led with this information though, what you said was a bit misleading.

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>>43400655
OP here - you're very ridiculous.

>>43400643
You are a misogynist. Sorry (not) about caring about justice. You do you, trans boy, maybe the big troons will accept you if you just talk down others enough but is it smart? Lol, sheep

>>43400638
send him the diy video by Lily Alexandre and explain to him that if he doesn't start hormones soon his mental health will get worse than he could possibly believe
I get having a convo w an uneducated hefab is annoying but if you are truly his friend you will not let him make a catastrophic medical mistake

>>43400659
I think you probably should talk to him about it, obviously not when his bf is nearby. Ultimately it is something he needs to stand up to himself but you can help him get there

>>43400679
>So, as someone with gender dysphoria who unpacked all the toxic shit in my life, embraced who I am, burned all my bridges, moved to Trans Bushwick and started HRT,

>THIS ANNOYS ME

>Thoughts /TTTT/?

>>43400638
Tell him about:
>>43400493

Let him know he has options. Gay trans people often are scared about becoming unattractive to their desired gender

>>43400677
I'm sorry. I was too mean :(. But yes, I lead on with details that were misleading especially with the picrel. I mean, I feel as if the boyfriend doesn't really listen to me and his opinion of trans people is very normie-coded. In the sense of he "supports trans people" but also makes trans shooting jokes. We were talking about ICE (he loves ICE) and he said the Kirk line unsarcastically that there are more trans shooters than ICE killings as a rib against me. So yeah, talking to my friend may work but he's also really sensitive and I'm not dissing him or anything but like he's very touchy about friends and boyfriend. He cried for days when a friend broke up with him (didn't like his boyfriend). Again, yeah I definitely portrayed him a bit as a transtrending pooner but frankly that's how he's been acting and its been frustrating because there's all of the stuff I said in the post BUT there's also significant dysphoria examples. So, its conflicting and confusing and frustrates me because I care for him and hate if this is a repper arc.

>>43400685
I don’t hate women, I’d be pretty miserable if I did considering that I’m dating one. You aren’t fighting misogyny by yelling at people for wanting to keep tourists out of their community.
>boy
>intense need to lessen my masculinity
you’re a transphobe too, of course

>>43400312
you talk like a twink

>>43400688
Hmmm, this could work. I could just send him the video hahaha without confrontation.

I don't mind confronting but you're right its annoying. But, I really care for him, so you know ...

>>43400722
If it is only a trender issue when its done by whom the person calls "a woman", its misogyny. What else would it be, such double standards. Someone needs to call these people out

>>43400739
OP here - KEK.

>>43400751
aren't you though? i know i've seen you post this story before, with the roles reversed. also, i'm not the one who's desperately spamming f5, like an insecure foid

>>43400714
His bf sounds retarded even by Republican standards. As I said, you should’ve led try to help your friend move away from this situation, his bf is going to force him to rep and make him miserable

>>43400741
The OP made this thread seem like it was about an afab trender. I was wrong to infer that given information the OP added later but why the fuck would I feel the need to add onto my post in this thread (which is not about trans amabs) virtue signalling that not all of the bad people are afab? The answer is that nobody would do that who wasn’t a pathetic white knight like you.
> you call only women trenders
No, but amab trenders are way less common than afab trenders, I’ve literally never met one in person. sissy fetishists like you mentioned earlier are way more common but that wasn’t what this thread was about and you only brought that up as a whataboutism because you were upset that someone would say something critical of women.
Not to mention that you’re not acknowledging how much transphobia keeps slipping through your mask at nearly every opportunity

>>43400312
Lol why on earth are those two dating? They’ve got sitcom levels of incompatibility

>>43400919
>amab trenders are way less common than afab trenders
nta but amab trenders literally don't exist.
they either go the sissy route or troon out. amabs claiming to be women while doing exactly nothing (the way afab trenders do) simply don't exist.

>>43400614
Not really
We hate people wealthier than us out of envy and would like to be them

>>43400941
I’ve seen or heard of amabs doing gnc and they/them stuff and referring to themselves as trans despite still presenting masculine.
Like I said, I’ve never actually met one of these people, only heard of through friends or seen online.

Lol go confront her about her boyfriend.

She chooses her boyfriend.

You have no friend.

She's just a trendster. She's not going to tranny out. She's gonna get married and have babies in the next 5 years.

>>43400941
Sissy is the amab trender. They hijack trans identity for their gooning purposes and there are lots of them. Also people transition as a fetish.
Its amazing to me how trans women see this is as better than some little ftmfemboy.

>>43400919
>The answer is that nobody would do that who wasn’t a pathetic white knight like you.
Nah, you are bitchy sheep who has no balls (spiritually and I assume other ways too) and you just want to be shitty
>amab trenders are way less common than afab trenders
Why are all the spaces filled with sissy gooners calling themselves trans then?
Nah, you issue is with people you see as "women" cause you are a misogynist who hates women.

>>43401043
Then that’s not a trender, retard. They aren’t doing it because of a social trend they’re doing it because of a sexual fetish, call them fetishists.

>>43401067
It literally is. Porn addict trend, social trend whats the difference. Both caused by social contagion.

>>43401066
>im not a white knight because… im just not ok!
Cope.
>bitchy
>no balls
You really can’t help yourself with the transphobia can you? I think that you’re one of those TERF male feminists and you’re larping as a woman because otherwise people would instantly see through you.
>whatabout muh sissies
Fetishists and trenders aren’t the same thing and I even mentioned fetishists in my post, which you ignored because, again you’re a white knight who gets triggered when afa- oops, sorry, when women get criticised

>>43401079
you're a fantastic moron

>>43401113
The moment a trans woman is a part of a thread about trans men, it devolves into a thread about who's more AGP or not lol.

>>43401079
Because one is done for social approval and is widely referred to as trending. The other is done for sexual gratification and is widely referred to as fetishisation. You can say that they are the rough equivalents of one another but I don’t need to tuttut over sissies in a thread that isn’t about them. I could say “umm actually afabs are fetishists as well but theirs is like a social fetish but they’re still fetishising transness”, it’s just wank. You’re trying this obnoxious pilpul now because you know you’ve been obnoxious for no reason. You also keep being the most transphobic person in this thread and the only person who was actually misogynistic made like one post

>>43401043
>Also people transition as a fetish
What's so wrong about that? Those who troon as a fetish still troon and are thus not trenders.
>Sissy is the amab trender
No. Sissy is a sissy. He doesn't call himself a woman full time (like afab trenders).

>>43401106
>Cope
:D I will proudly defend people against misogyny
>You really can’t help yourself with the transphobia can you
Is reality transphobic? You have balls? Not sprititually at least. You are a
weak pushover who tries to appeal to people that make fun of you.
>Fetishists and trenders aren’t the same
Correct, perverts are way worse and more common
>white knight who gets triggered when afa- oops, sorry, when women
Why are you calling me transphobic when you use transphobic language. Do you care about transphobia or not?
I will always white knight against misogyny, mr woman hater

>>43401135
trenders do things in order to BE SEEN PARTICIPATING in the trend, i.e., for attention. sissies are the complete opposite of that. if anything, they're antitrenders. but i know this level of logical is wasted on a subhuman such as yourself

>>43401149
>What's so wrong about that? Those who troon as a fetish still troon and are thus not trenders
Ok so those who call themselves men are men and thus not trenders. Its as valid as taking e cause it makes you feel more slutty and horny

>>43401166
>I will always be subhuman
Yes, we know, anon.

>>43401168
>trenders do things in order to BE SEEN PARTICIPATING
No, thats how you view them. You cannot decide that they feel like a boy the wrong way. Its real to them.

>>43401168
Sissyhypno, sissy transition etc is a porn trend and it makes these people taking part in it, trenders..they would not be "trans" if they never took part in their sissy social trend
But now lets here the sissy defenders come here to defend them

>>43401200
no, that's what the word "trender" means. you've now shifted the goalposts from a semantic discussion to a discussion of the empirical copula (whether ftfemboys "are" trenders) because you know you've been caught being a moron

>>43401185
>taking e cause it makes you feel more slutty and horny
nothing wrong with that either.
you seem to forget that nobody has to ask for permission from you in order to do things with/to their own bodies.

>>43401187
Yes i know that you see women against misogyny as subhumans, maybe even all women

>>43401166
>no denial of the accusation of being a larping cis man
>admitting to being a white knight after initially denying it
Very telling
>transphobic language
What are you talking about? Or are you saying that being critical of trenders is transphobic?
You on the other hand immediately started using language to diminish my masculinity once I told you I was a trans man, and before that you kept using the slur “troon”
>fetishists are worse than trenders
Leaving aside that this is a TERF talking point, this thread was never about sissies until YOU brought them up as a wedge, it was about a trans man who OP mistakenly presented as a trender at the start. You wanting to bring them up constantly is something that TERFs and right wing transphobes do because they know sissies are viscerally gross

>>43401218
>that's what the word "trender" means
Nope you just slap the term "trender" on anyone who is not trans the way you want. Someone is too feminine, "trender"
Etc.
>>43401221
Don't compain about some fem ftms then if sissy gooner trans women are totally valid. Some double standards, it makes no sense

>>43401225
You’re not a woman against misogyny, you’re a cis man larping online who probably thinks that being a TERF will get him pussy. You’re probably Indian

>>43401253
>Don't compain about some fem ftms then if sissy gooner trans women are totally valid
Sissy gooners who actually troon out are totally valid.
Sissy gooners who wear it as a costume on and off are not valid.
afab femboys are closer to the latter than the former as they don't get on T and don't live as men.
Of course, afab gooners who actually get on T and live as men are also totally valid even if they did it as a fetish. I know an ftm like that. He's a very nice chap.

>>43401240
I'm a woman. Just because I'm not as pushover as you are, does not make me a man.
>What are you talking about?
You know, afab afab afab
>diminish my masculinity once I told you I was a trans man
Ok, sorry I should had said that to have no spine, better? You are spinless coward. Hope thats more affirming
>never about sissies until YOU brought
Yes I brought them up cause it was needed to show your hypocrisy and misogyny

>>43400312
I wouldn’t count on them transitioning (with all that other mental health stuff going on their identity is probably less stable than they made it seem), but I also wouldn’t want them to end up isolated.
If you’re worried about them, or not sure what to say, I can offer suggestions. Just don’t want to do that unprompted if it’s not that serious for you.

>>43401272
I always thought that being trans was a medical thing where your brain and body don't match but now I get that its actually when a sissy gooner wants to take e to feel more slutty.
Suddenly fighting for trans rights feels nok important

>>43401283
>you’re spineless for disagreeing with me
Actually I think I have a spine for not wanting to let people into my community who don’t belong and only want to be there for social kudos. I never said that sissies weren’t bad, they are, but they only became relevant because you started whining about them as a crutch to accuse me of sexism. Or are you doing that thing of being upset with me for not being a woman anymore because you think women are better than men? Do you see me as a sex traitor?
>hypocrisy
>the hypocrisy in question is not mentioning sissies in a thread that isn’t about sissies
lol
>afab, an accepted term by every queer person who isn’t a terf, is a slur, but troon somehow isn’t
Lmao, I am afab, it literally describes that I was assigned female at birth, the fact that I’m not a woman doesn’t change that it’s useful to describe these things in abstract because trenders are attached to being an afab in a way that people like me aren’t
If you’re implying theyfab is a slur that’s hilarious, it would be like claiming sissy is a slur, except sissy was historically used as a slur for gay men so actually you’re more retarded than that.

>>43401315
>Suddenly fighting for trans rights feels nok important
Obvious TERF is obvious

>>43401588
If trans people are sissies gooners on e to feel slutty, why would anyone care about their right to be in female spaces or sports? Is woman someone, a person who feels slutty?
You keep calling anyone a terf who does not blindly swallow idiotic stuff. Words have a meaning you know, you are biting your own foot

>>43401568
You are stupid and spineless. And ok, I will call you assigned female at birth, if thats what you identify with, afab. Caring about misogyny is something thats important to normal people who don't hate women.

It thinks it funny that you call yourself afab and you call me a man.

>>43400312
This guy is rescuing a retarded theyfab.
He will plap her cunny bigly.
He will convert her to tradhood.
They will birth children and she will abandon the pronoun games.

>>43401950
Calling me spineless with no explanation isn’t an argument, retard. Again, I think you view me as a sex traitor and am upset that I don’t hate men.
I identify as male, I was assigned female at birth but I identify as a male man. Afab isn’t a valid internal identity, it’s a description of past events. Acknowledging the fact that I’m trans is not the same thing as pretending to be trans while making zero effort to transition and not having dysphoria, like trenders.
Calling trenders stupid is not misogyny, and if you weren’t a TERF but wanted to defend faketrans bullshit, you wouldn’t even call it misogyny, you’d call me truscum, which I’m much more used to hearing in queer spaces. TERFs accuse misogyny in these cases because they deny the idea of transness but think that women should be able to do what they want without criticism, because radfems are retarded cultists.

>>43402121
You are spineless cause you are misogynistic and have massibe double standrards.
>while making zero effort to transition and not having dysphoria
Thats you literally just assuming that cause you don't like them for being too feminine (misogyny)
>you weren’t a TERF but wanted to defend faketrans
Something you are just assuming again.. a pattern I see here. I care about misogyny.
Its funny cause I have seen ftm femboys who give me more masculine energy than someone like you, who is a self described afab. Maybe you have something to learn from these people that you are so ready to dismiss.
>I was assigned female at birth
Honestly, sad. Lots people you would call trenders, believe that they were born a man, they clearly have lots of wisdom to share with you but you see them as too women like

>>43402121
You're female.
You're a transman not a man.
The trenders are also transmen since they only requisite is pronoun insistence.

>>43400312
>He's also got OCD, autism, anxiety, CPTSD, ADHD. He has panic attacks often, has mostly women friends and acts like a woman with them and constantly trauma-dumps
You people are so dysgenic, holy shit. What a goddamn miserable existence, on the level of those babies without a brain that are kept around as pets by their insane evangelical parents.
Bring back insane asylums NOW

>>43400402
I also truly feel for trans women but as an autistic cis man I have enough to deal with as is.

>>43402401
you are fucking slaloming these goalposts from whataboutism over sissies back to admitting that you want to defend trenders literally just because they were afab, by calling their criticism misogyny you are literally admitting that you see them as women too
>Its funny cause I have seen ftm femboys who give me more masculine energy than someone like you, who is a self described afab. Maybe you have something to learn from these people that you are so ready to dismiss.
>heh, you're not really masculine, you're a woman too because you said some mean things about the wombyn I need to defend
yeah man, I know you're transphobic, you don't have to keep on telling me
>self described afab
It's not a self description, it's an outwardly defined description that actually happened, it was ASSIGNED, that's what it means, dumbass. I am a self-described man, my inner self does not and never did match the physical state I was born into.
>spineless because you're a misogynist with double standards
What double standards? I don't like sissies. And I'm not a misogynist, but again, you're a transphobic white knight TERF so "misogynist" to you means anyone who doesn't just do whatever cis women say