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>some retard said something

>>43402538
She's right though

>>43402538
not planning on watching 2 hours of that but overall she is right, its optimal not to campaign on losing issues but quietly promote them through actions once elected
it helps nobody if your campaign involves trans issues and has a great moral position if you were to lose

>>43402538
based contra

>>43402890
>its optimal not to campaign on losing issues but quietly promote them through actions once elected
this is exactly what kamala harris tried in 2024 and it didn't fucking work
if you decide to "not campaign on losing issues" (issues where you currently poll badly) this just lets your opponent define you on those issues. you have to go out there and actually argue for the truth.

>>43403050
Problem was, by the time she was campaigning, people already associated democrats with trannies. Even if she mentioned nothing on the campaign trail, were people really supposed to believe that she wasn’t gonna go right back to business as usual? Honestly americans are not as dumb as people seem to think, and they saw through the bullshit.
>oooh don’t worry swing voters i tooootally won’t drop the act the second i get into office
Dems shit the bed, and it’s gonna take a while to repair the damage.

>>43402890
>vice president harris, what are your thoughts on racial segregation?"
>"I will follow the law"

please explain to me why i should care and why this was worth killing a thread

>>43403050
fair disclosure i am not american so my viewpoint is different than yours but i really disagree kamala lost not because of this but because of how she got to running in the first place

>>43403499
"swing voters" are just right/leftoids tired of the two party system, they will usually vote according to their views anyway unless the party fucks up horribly
Democucks just did that by becoming distilled rightoids. The leftoid won't vote for them for obvious reasons, and the rightoid won't vote for them because they already have Republicans

>>43403499
>Problem was, by the time she was campaigning, people already associated democrats with trannies.
yes, we agree on this that's why it doesn't work
what you say on the campaign trail is not the only thing people can use to predict what you will do. that's why, when you're going to do something that not everyone agrees with, you have to actually make the case to the public that it's the right thing to do!
the point where we disagree is that you think democrats should run candidates who can credibly promise to adopt republican positions on trans issues, whereas i think progressives should present a unified coherent vision that explains why their position on trans rights follows from their broader political project which is generally quite popular.

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>>43402890
except palestine is not a losing issue in public opinion and you would only claim it is if you've already sided with the jews

>only cares about one issue
>wants her party to throw out that issue to get elected

Chat low-key are we dealing with a retard here?

>I won't vote dem/left until they promise the US will break away from Israel
get ready to be ruled by alt-right basedboys for decades then

>>43403956
palestine is a losing issue because if you speak in favor of israel youre losing people from the left side of the party if you speak in favor or palestine you lose the moderates the best strategy is not to talk about it excessively

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>>43402890
>losing issues
Eh? Trans rights and Palestine are not losing issues to dem voters. There's polls about this stuff, you know? You can't just make up another reality.
Also like nona said the Harris campaign DID try to make an alternate reality where the dem base loves lethal military and the Cheneys and got fucking clobbered.

Youngshit passoids should probably stop trying to throw hons and John 50s under the bus if you want people to think of trans rights as something that could be directly relevant to their own rights

>>43404149
i agree with you that the majority of democrats agree about palestine but its still a losing issue simply because there no real benefit to talking about it only moderate voters to lose

>>43403521
it's ok, threads don't have qualia

>>43402538
at this point I can only hope we get a bernie bro past the primary so all the delusional leftists can watch him lose the main event

>>43402538
Something is going on with libs. They can feel that something is rotten in America but they have no theory to understand why. There must not be any major systemic problems, so where did Trump come from? Why do people like him when he is obviously bad? All they can guess is people are just stupid or evil or brainwashed into paying attention to "bad optics". And that's not fixable, so you just go complete blackpill and get into petty useless twitter squabbles all day because people didn't vote "right" 6 years ago. Or decide to pointlessly bumrush the president's security detail

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>>43404666
Liberals buy into the same just world nonsense that conservatives buy into, they just think "good people" refers to a different set of individuals. They firmly believe they are "on the right side of history" and that some heavenly angel will see what's wrong and come and rescue them from the bad/stupid people who aren't "spiritually tall". This is why they can't do politics, they think politics is ratio'ing someone or downvoting them or getting them banned from their favorite social media bubble

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>>43402890
>not planning on watching 2 hours
Oh no, you're retarded.

>of that but overall she is right, its optimal not to campaign on losing issues

Kamala Harris ran on literally continuing a on-going genocide that literally all Democrats who where not bought out by AIPAC money opposed. Israel's approval rating among Americans has completely collapsed since starting what is arguably what we should call a World War with Iran. Even alot of Republican influences have turned on Israel recently.

As for trans issues being a "losing issue", it's only "losing" if you make it that way. Maybe instead of saying "I will follow the law" when the issue of trans Jim Crow laws were brought up, you forcefully push it and be unabashed about it. You demands comprehensive civil rights legislation for trans people, which both Harris and Biden failed to deliver during their presidency. The bigots are never going to vote for you.

>but quietly promote them through actions once elected it helps nobody if your campaign involves trans issues and has a great moral position if you were to lose
If you opponent is talking about it 24/7, you need to attack them, not this limp wristed milk toasted campaign. They even reigned in Tim Waltz when he correctly started calling Republicans a terrorist party full of weridos.

Why does it seem trannies care more about a Semitic blood feud war than their own rights

>>43405525
>Why does it seem trannies care more about a Semitic blood feud war than their own rights
Because you are stupid and don't see the big picture. You know why politicians support Israel? Because America politicians get a huge amount of money from Israel, in which the US governments gives them a shit load of money which they funnel into Israel, Israel than sends that money back as political contributes though AIPAC (American-Israeli Political Action Committee)

Israel has captured the largest flow of capital in world history. And like 99% of the Republican Party is owned by AIPAC. Guess who opposes trans rights?

>>43405525
You're probably just a /pol/tard sliding but the actual answer is that marginalised ethnic groups are very good at centering their worldview around their in-group, whereas marginalised groups who aren't ethnic/racial groups are bad it. This is because ethnic groups form societies within wider society since they naturally reproduce and have their own family structure, meaning they get all their social and ideological needs met within the in-group, whereas LBGT people, women, etc are enmeshed with the out-group.
This is why leftism is all about minority ethnic grievances, much moreso than it is about feminism or LGBT rights.

>>43404129
Moderates? The average Democratic and independent voter hated Israel in 2024 and they hate it way fucking more now.

>>43405628
>they hate it way fucking more now.
Even Republicans hate it now due to the Iran stuff.

How long is this? I can't watch her. She takes 5 minutes to make a point that could be made in 3 sentences.

>>43404129
>you lose moderates if you support palestine
lmao, kys
this is only true if by moderates you mean party hacks, moderate voters don't like israel either. I have normie moderate friends and colleagues, none of them like israel anymore. being pro-israel is less popular now in essentially every voter base than it was a few years ago because it's becoming increasingly obvious how awful they are. Even republican politicians have to face questions from their supporters that essentially go "why the fuck do we need to send money to israel, we don't like it" which is only intensifying with the iran war. Even in right wing circles, israel is not guarenteed support, it's over in the left, fuck off jew

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>>43405518
>Israel's approval rating among Americans has completely collapsed
This is misinformation.
Democrats are not Americans overall. Democrats are a minority party. Friendly reminder that Trump won the popular vote.
And among Republicans support for Israel is higher today than 25 years ago when neoconism for Israel was far more dominant.
You also seem to forget that 10% of Americans don't give af to even have an opinion and another 9% of Americans give enough fucks to state they despise both sides equally. That's 1 in 5 Americans for whom the issue is annoying right from the get go and simply talking about it pisses them off.
Hamas is a losing issue. But please, by all means, do pressure the shitlibs to talk about it more. I want the GOP to continue to rule for the rest of the decade and into the 2030s.

>>43406107
>being pro-israel is less popular now in essentially every voter base than it was a few years ago
This is a lie. But it's a great lie. The more of you psyop yourselves into believing this, the harder the GOP wins.
Social media is fake. It's all bots and Qatar shilling. And lots and lots of Indians.

Contra is right and I have said time and time again that those "allies" who demand politicians say "I love trannies" or they won't vote for them are working against us

>>43402538
Contra is so based. You retard tankies only care about being righteous and virtue signaling.

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>>43406160
you kind of sound scared that neo-cons get completely annihilated when candidates simply say they won't be sending another cent of your tax dollars overseas for to support a psychotic bloodthirsty terrorist state in 100 year war over a shitty strip of desert, and instead will be putting it into your community and healthcare.

>>43406160
>>43406120
Jew Jew go away, don’t come back another day
Don’t you have some adrenochrome to harvest?

>>43406160
Leftists expect Americans outside their algorithmic botted social media to care about a country thousands of miles away whilst they're dealing with ICE and fascist Trump.

Millions of other problems we have in our lives and virtue signaling leftists will try their best to shove a foreign problem thousands of miles away down our throats and refuse to help stop ICE, improve Healthcare or the Economy or anything else if there single issue is not PERFECTLY addressed and they are personally jacked off.

And it doesn't mean anything anyway. If leftists cared about the human cost, they would also talk about how Trump defunded America's aid programs, which killed and will kill 20x more people than the Palestine conflict.

>>43406282

White people want to vote for the Nazi babykiller, shocking

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>>43406237
are these Israeli bots or something? I don't see anyone who likes Contrapoints in 2026 outside of literal bots pushing neocon talking points.

>>43406335
yeah isn't that crazy? He seems like fucking idiot, but all you have to do is say "no more of your money for israel; yes, fix your healthcare". Anyway kind of hard to be attacked as a Nazi babykiller, when your opponents support THE nazi babykiller country extraordinaire.

sorry u have such a problem with white people or whatever tho u should look into that :)

>>43406478
yea if I was in Maine I would probably vote for Platner, not withstanding his military record if I had to choose Susan Collins (Trump enabler) and Maine governor, who literally supports Israeli Nazi state.

>>43402538
it’s always cringe when trannies refuse to drop their debatebro personalities

>>43406471
Yeah we must be bots WAH WAH WAH.

How could a real life person disagree with MY RIGHTEOUS IDEALS!

>>43406282
>>43406478
nobody is going to go for that, as soon as the other side goes "nonwhites will get health care too" the whites will have a little meltie and promise to send even MORE money to israel

>>43402538
Good for her

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>>43406770
>How could a real life person disagree with MY RIGHTEOUS IDEALS!
Pic related is you.

>>43402538
All of the black nazi teenagers in NBA playoffs chat hate Israel. So who should I trust?

>>43402538
Some Muslims don't fit in with the US Constitution.
They are a problem to the USA .
Under the patriot act, transgenders can loose citizenship and sent to Palestine.
I don't want a pulse night club shooter in my business, and queers support extreme terrorism.
Pride month is going to be a disaster

>>43406975
are you retarded?