Do any of you self-identified AGP trannies actually get aroused at the thought of being a woman?I personally have never felt anything, and if anything, I don't even know what it feels like to be aroused, and or "enjoy" one's own body. I've also read countless accounts from trans people claiming that they started recognizing their own reflection by transitioning, but what does that even mean?Like, I know my reflection is my own, just because I know what I'm supposed to look like, but I was never able to wrap my head around what it means to "recognize oneself"
>>43410425I just avoiding looking at my reflection so thoroughly before transition I completely lost the association that what I saw visually was me
>>43410425There are different kinds of AGP. Anatomic Autogynephilia, Transvestic Autogynephilia, Physiologic Autogynephilia, Behavioral Autogynephilia, probably moreWhat you're talking about is closest to anatomic AGP, but not all AGPs have that
>>43410425it just means ur desire to troon is primarily sexual rather than social>>43410444real
>>43410444I'm sorry to hear that. Although I still don't get it. How can you feel anything from your own reflection? I don't know how yo explainy confusion any better, other than saying that I have never felt anything seeing myself. I can make objective assessments about my appearance, and know how I look to others, but I personally feel nothingNice trips btw
>>43410425I REALLY WANNA GET BANGS ARGbut we live in a society were men on hrt are mocked and arent allowed to have cute hairstyles offcolor dyed hair and wear makeup and cool ass shorts and have boobs and vaginas
>>43410462This is also something I personally can't understand. What motivates people to want to look a certain way and have certain styles? I have personally never felt that way, because I don't even understand what one gets out of it. I basically only put in the effort to not look offensive to others by taking care of myself, but otherwise everything just feels like a pointless chore
>>43410496well its not like i NEED bangs to function or it makes me dysphoric or somethingits a hairstyle i wanna get to look cute/cool/etc its for fun. In a way it is art and self expression: a blank canvas is still functional but a painted one is beautifulI simply prefare warm colors over cold ones(aka my gender is female and i want to express that too)idk its fun.
>>43410507This is exactly what I do not understand though. I do not understand the concept of "self expression".Why and how do you even want something for yourself? Why are you motivated to do anything with the canvas you've got? What makes it fun for you? Like, I have no preferences, no desires, and nothing I do feels like it's worth the effort. I just keep my canvas blank because I have no paint
>>43410425>Do any of you self-identified AGP trannies actually get aroused at the thought of being a woman?I don't consider myself AGP, but I do have instances where thinking about me having a feminine body, wearing feminine clothing/acessories and just generally living my life as a woman gets me aroused. But, not just a purely sexual type of arousement, it's more like a "arousal + exciting euphoria". To simplify, I get euphoric and this translates as a somewhat sexually arousing feeling, but not always though. Also, I'm into women, so maybe my brain gets confused and just send horny signals across the body whenever it sees a baddie (me).>I've also read countless accounts from trans people claiming that they started recognizing their own reflection by transitioning, but what does that even mean?Maybe they're talking about not feeling so disconected from their own body after transitioning. I've felt this way a few times, usually when I'm very dysphoric and looking to mirror, like I start to dissociate or something.
>>43410528well i guess some people got paint and others dont
>>43410535cismoid????
>>43410425Faggots that find the attention women get hot as fuck so they try to mimic "womanhood". There you go. I put it in a very simple way so you get it.
>>43410535Yeah, this is AGP
>>43410542You should be grateful for your paint, and you should definitely use it too. Please get yourself the bangs you desire
>>43410535>But, not just a purely sexual type of arousement, it's more like a "arousal + exciting euphoria". To simplify, I get euphoric and this translates as a somewhat sexually arousing feeling, but not always thoughYeah... I can't relate. And not in the sense that thinking of myself as a woman doesn't make me feel the feelings you've listed, but rather that I have never felt anything akin to arousal, excitement or euphoria. I have zero clue what they're supposed to feel likeI think you should transition btw, if you haven't
>>43410550What does it even mean to find something "hot as fuck"? This is a serious question
>>43410459I think my issue is that I can't understand desires.What makes people want?
>>43410545Don't think this is cismoid. Cismoid is too adamant that they're not dysphoric
>>43410454That sounds like splitting hairs tbqh
>>43410425I would call myself AGP (rather than HSTS) though I don't think that label is super serious.I get aroused thinking about having bigger tits, and chopping my dick off. Also I get aroused by men treating me like their girl, feeling feminine and soft next to masculine men.
>>43410545I'm a cis man on HRT.>>43410553Is it? I've always thought of AGP as an exclusively sexual interest of oneself as a woman. I'm mainly attracted to other people, I'll not lust over myself very often.>>43410576>Yeah... I can't relate.It's ok, I also can't relate to a bunch of stuff other people feel.>I have never felt anything akin to arousal, excitement or euphoria. I have zero clue what they're supposed to feel likeThat's weird... I don't know if you're trans, and I know not every trans person feels dysphoric. But never experiencing arousal or euphoria is really uncommon.>I think you should transition btw, if you haven'tIn the process!
>>43410690What does arousal feel like? I'm more and more convinced that I've never felt it
>>43410719Dick gets hard is the easiest part lol
>>43410711>Is it? I've always thought of AGP as an exclusively sexual interest of oneself as a woman. I'm mainly attracted to other people, I'll not lust over myself very often.Nah I'd call myself AGP and I don't "lust" over myself either, I definitely fantasize about sex with men. Just that I have to be in a feminine woman's body while doing it or I feel like shit and not turned on.
>>43410725Well, besides that. What does it feel like emotionally?Although I can't even relate to the physical reaction of getting an erection in general. I can't think of anything that would cause me to feel arousal, no matter whether physically or emotionally
>>43410737Hard question, I'm too autistic for this maybe. I guess it's kind of like a desire, damn I want to do something sexual, think about something sexual?
>>43410711>That's weird... I don't know if you're trans, and I know not every trans person feels dysphoric.I don't know whether I'm trans or experience dysphoria either. Kinda hard to tell when you just feel nothing at all.After all, I don't understand what it means to hate or like one's own appearance. I don't know what it means to be disgusted by one's own body, because I don't know what it means to feel diagust. I don't know what it means to feel or not feel like oneself, because I don't even really understand the concept of having a self.>But never experiencing arousal or euphoria is really uncommon. I guess? Although I know what it means to physically be aroused, I never really understand it emotionally. When it comes to euphoria though, I can say with pretty much absolute certainty that I have never felt it. Especially in regards to myself. >In the process!I wish you all the best
>>43410425>Do any of you self-identified AGP trannies actually get aroused at the thought of being a woman?not exactly agp bc afab but yeah i got aroused by transformation/gender fantasies the same way you would looking at pornit's usually not abstract thought of being a woman for agps tho but more specifically being in a body that's female (i get the impression for non autosexuals it's less visceral and more abstract?) or stuff like tsf images like if you try to imagine having a vagina, it's gonna inherently be a bit sexual even if you're not agp, imagine that but your brain reacts harder >I've also read countless accounts from trans people claiming that they started recognizing their own reflection by transitioning, but what does that even mean?not recognizing it feels more or less the same as you say, you know it's you from having some memory and not being completely faceblind, it just doesn't feel like "you", emotionally it feels like you're looking at just some guy and sometimes you're downright surprised to remember you look like this. when this aligns it just doesn't feel like anything, you look at your face and you're like yup that's me, it's more the state before that is abnormal, but you don't always recognize it as such except in retrospect. it's a depersonalization thing iirc
>>43410728I think that saying you feel like shit by not having a feminine body is called "being trans" nona... Most women, including cis women, would not enjoy being in a men's body, especially considering how much sex involves physical contact and intimacy with one's body.
This another thread of "anon is so desensitized by depression that they can't visualize any feeling other than numb apathy, and thus can't even plan a path out of the hole because they don't know what the goal is to begin with"? So we're trying to explain emotions from "first principles" or something because anon literally has no cultural touchstones. Well, let's fucking do this.I have a bipolar variant, and I've had experiences of "manic euphoria" from time-to-time. So, you know how right now you feel so desensitized by depression that you can't remember what "happiness" feels like? The opposite end of that spectrum is "manic euphoria", where I'm so "happy" that I can't remember what anything other than "happy" feels like. To the point that I can't remember what "physical pain" feels like, and I look at something like the hot stovetop while I'm cooking food like, "damn, I bet if I stuck my hand on the burner it would feel AMAZING... Why was I supposed to not-do-that? Oh, right, it will melt the skin off my hand and that would be inconvenient." And it's inconvenient, socially, because I can't imagine anyone around me feeling anything other than "happy" about everything. "What do you mean you don't find it funny your dog died? That's hilarious! Just like the meme."That's the extreme end, now just interpolate degrees of variation between the two.
>>43410830yeah, thus I do think most women are AGP in that sense
>>43410792>you know it's you from having some memory and not being completely faceblind, it just doesn't feel like "you", emotionally it feels like you're looking at just some guy>when this aligns it just doesn't feel like anything, you look at your face and you're like yup that's meAm I stupid, cause I don't get what the difference between the two is?
>>43410737you ever feel like really hungry like physiologically after not eating for a loneger time and not just having an appetite to eat something. and you get hungry and you see a burger or some shit and feel a pull to put that burger your mouth like it's calling you and putting a spell on you that makes you unable to resistant. and might even imagine how it tastes like and what's the texture well imagine the burger is big tits, normal gynephiles want to put it in their mouth, autogynephilles want to have the burger not eat it so to speak. and the burger is just a picture of a burger and you're an aftican child who never had a burger so you're salivating over an image and imagining how good burgers must taste like. and also your dick gets hard. and wanting anything else intensely enough feels like this except your dick does not get hard then. or it does, depends on the thing.idk if normies even get that hungry ever tho i have GI tract issues and an eating disorder and was also on antipsychotics at one point
>>43410851ngl it's one of those things you just know if you went between the 2 states but if you only ever were in one it's not obvious like normally you just feel a sense of connection to your reflection but it's not something you actively notice or think about unless it's been missing. but if it's missing you might get used to it and not notice either. so you could be one of those people and simply never made it to recognizing yourself or you might just not have this specific symptom. the way you talk about other shit makes me think the former but you can also just be alexithymic asf
>>43410425Used to be mainly a sexual thing, now these are my comfort escapism fantasies
>>43410921Yeah, I thought so too, and I really don't know which one is more likely.I do recognize myself in the mirror, but I have no idea what it even means to identify with one's own reflection. I feel like I just am, and it wouldn't matter who is staring back at me in the mirror.And I guess I'm almost certainly alexithymic, but it's hard to believe that I could ever be anyway else. It's genuinely weird to me that people apparently feel things I've never felt myself
>>43410425Maybe becoming a woman cured their vampirism.
>>43410841bipolar sounds really exhausting. I'm sorry
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>>43411165What does comfort feel like?
>>43411444ts always cracks me up bc i know a german with specifically succubus agp and they'd find outcome A extremely hot
>>43410425I certainly get aroused by the idea of it. But I've used tftg porn as my main since I was like 14 so it's just kind of the norm for me. I enjoy thinking of how I'd look if transformed into a woman, the process of it, whether I'm a high tier or a mid one. And I've done the same imagining for a lot of other men in my life. Women too actually, thinking of turning into them or them turning into a guy but that's more a humiliation thing
>>43410425yes i was aroused at the idea of having boobs, hips, a vagina, being a woman. jerked off to the idea for years before starting e
>>43411709based
>>43410460idk its kinda like avoiding eye contact with others in passing but with yourself every time you go into a bathroom
>>43410425Yes im only a tranny because i get horny when i pretend to be a woman because you know, im not a real woman. It being tabboo or just wrong is what makes it hot. And im glad society is forcing itself to adjust to our fetish so i dont have to feel bad about living my fantasies in public
>>43410444I do that currently. Not because of trannythoughts i'm just pretty ugly. I hate being around other ppl because i don't like being seen
>>43410425I did not find myself sexually arousing as a women ever. I just found my pretransition self so repulsive that it felt like someone else was looking at me. Sometimes I wonder if I'm trans because that dysphoria is gone, but then I look at old photos and I realize that is not me.
>>43410425>trans people claiming that they started recognizing their own reflection by transitioning, but what does that even mean?looking in the mirror, I understood fundamentally that the person looking back was me, but I did not know who that person was. He looked kind of like me but wrong, off, unfamiliar, like a brother I'd never met3 weeks on E and the disconnection changed. The person looking back was myself. Not my ideal feminine self, but no longer a stranger, just meAs my face has softened on E, my reflection looks even more like me. I still get a little dysphoric over some of what I see--the nose is wrong, my jaw is too wide, etc.--though
>>43414582I really feel retarded for saying this, but I still don't understand it at all what it even means to "see oneself" in one's own reflection. I know my reflection is mine, simply because it's always the same face staring back at me. There is no emotional connection, nor can I even imagine what that would entail I'm glad that you're finally perceiving your reflection as yourself though
>>43410425i think i'm agp but it has to be in a meta-attracted way where i'm actually androphilic
>>43414553pre transition me is kinda hot. I wish I could be his gf. I transitioned from a hot twink into a freaking abomination. Like I wouldnt want to be twink me, but objectively it was better
>>43414803>I still don't understand it at all what it even means to "see oneself" in one's own reflectiondo you know what its like to "identify as" a character or person? like do you ever see characters and go "thats so me" or the opposite, see other characters doing a behavior and think "wtf i could never why would they do that"
>>43415013Nope. I genuinely never have emotionally "identified as" any character or person. I can only rationally analyze them and see similarities we might have, but I've never felt any "connection" or even self-insert myself into any character
>>43410594It's like pavlov's dog, but more complicated, like something that exists due to human intervention, making it artificial, but also seems to work autonomously. Simply it's an adaptation to the environment. But the environment we live in is not the same as 20/50/100 years, and especially not what we biologically evolved in. So it might not be maladpative, but it also might never reconnect with actual reproductive behavior. Wait, are you the disassociated poster? If so, the feeling is like your whole body moving towards some thing. Everything becomes clear and there are feelings of pleasure in the abdomen or stomach.
>>43415169>Wait, are you the disassociated poster?I think so. I'm op, and I'm also the one who keeps asking all the questions and saying that I've never experienced many different emotions
>>43413195I've never avoided mirrors in my whole life. Kinda the opposite in fact. I've always had the compulsion to stare right at my reflection whenever it's visible, no matter in which surface. I can remember telling a friend about it once years back, and saying something along the lines of "I always have to look at my reflection just to check that the same thing/entity is staring back."
>>43410535>Also, I'm into women, so maybe my brain gets confused and just send horny signals across the body whenever it sees a baddie (me).literally the definition of AGP ETLE lol
>>43418855what does ETLE stand for?
>>43419765erotic target location error. ie. the thing that's supposed to explain agp existing
>>43411444I'll resist until the technology is perfect.
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>>43420309So till death?
>>43410425agp is such fucking bullshit...
>>43410425I don't know what I'd consider myself, like I've wanted to be extremely feminine for as long as i have memory but not really a full blown woman. I have had sexual fantasies about being a woman but they're not that common. I want to get on HRT purely for the feminine aesthetics but me not really being trans kinda makes me feel bad about it.
>>43410425i do, its pretty based
>>43427370i envy you
>>43423243Probably
>>43410425>Do any of you self-identified AGP trannies actually get aroused at the thought of being a woman?yes>I've read countless accounts from trans people claiming that they started recognizing their own reflection by transitioning, but what does that mean?no ideahope i could help
i barely get aroused at all feel like i only understand aesthetic appeal anymore whats happening t. cis male agp
>>43410425You are like those cis woman that had their first orgasm at 24.This does not make you any more trutrans than agp trannies. Quite the opposite.
>>43431074Is it really my fault tho? I just feel like I'm built different (incorrectly)
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>>43432549I'm either too retarded or you're horrible at communicating your point
>>43430899>whats happeningI wish I knew
>>43410425don't you have any theory of mind?
>>43438090I do, but that doesn't mean that I can fully imagine what it truly *feels* like to have AGP
