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>>43420879
before voting: keep in mind that 40% of the world lives inside this polygon

before voting: keep in mind that 88% of the blue pressers are european christians

>>43420894
this is honestly a really strong argument against "white people are smart" rhetoric

>>43420894
This button thing has done more for my understanding of Christianity than anything else I've ever watched or read. I'm more religious today than I was yesterday.

>>43420885
the balls are supposed to be a little bit furthr back... but the peanits is good

>>43420879
i hate twitter pseudosmarties. but red. i'm way, way too cynical and jaded not to hit red. the vast majority of humanity is too shit in my view for me to care

>>43420894
protestants all hit red lmao
>>43420904
literally what. are you a twitterfag or some shit

>>43420904
shut the fuck up about race for ten fucking minutes PLEASE

>>43420996
>protestants all hit red lmao
non denomin proddies are just following the us apparatus state religion, they have no clue about christian tenets

>>43420879
Kekd at the results
>>43421005
Nta but you live on earth, that's not a possibility

>>43420879
Nobody should have to die. That's why I am pressing red.

If we reworded the question to "If you press the red button you survive. If you press the blue button you only survive if 50%+1 people also pressed the blue button." no one would ever choose the blue button. Its just the framing of it makes it become a moral question rather than stupidly easy game theory.

>>43421073
>game theory
Going off on a tangent, game theory isn't all-encompassing. I despise retards who try to fit the world into it like it's woo woo MBTI typology.

>>43421073
"If you reworded the question to omit very important aspects so that people ignore it, people would press red"
Turns out people don't like people dying, who would've thought?

>>43421073
if we reword the question we can also present the dilemma in a way where no one would choose the red button, so what the fuck is your point
what we know is that in this specific formulation, blue won and a bunch of subhuman sociopaths got exposed on twitter

>>43420879
the results of this poll are very telling lmfao. none of you are women or think like women, just men trapped in mens bodies. blue is the objectively female answer. yes its the dumb answer but it sounds good. this is the essence of anything women do: religion (which appeals to women because it sounds good even though its retarded) or the way they take care of themselves or try to look (the outside is pretty, the inside is just a retarded woman). trying to justify "b-but red is just the right answer!! i wont die!!" just makes you a male man. women lack critical thinking skills

I've been reading the red pushers' answers and my question is, how do I make sure I don't accidentally date the type of person who would press red?
>I'm afraid and I want to live
is acceptable to me, but these honest admissions are, surprisingly, rare.
Even if a poster admits they want to survive at all costs, it's usually accompanied by something horrifying, such as,
>people who don't want others to die are retarded and deserve to perish
>babies are replaceable
>if my relatives are dumb enough to want to save me, fuck em
Jesus Christ lmao. Psychopathic.

>>43421097
devise a formulation that would result in nobody picking the red button

>>43421150
religion is good, so is caring about your body. lose weight and stop envying those who don't look like pigs.

>>43421162
i am 15 bmi. stop projecting

>>43421157
go on the profile of the guy that posted the poll, he shows that by rewording the problem you can get 70-80% red or blue
this original formulation is actually the most neutral one and blue won
im pressing blue because i wouldnt want to be stuck on this planet surrounded by selfish retardos like you (example of blue favoring critical thought for the misogynists itt)

>>43421150
truke but also u just admitted to thinking red is correct, and performatively voting blue anyways
like all blue voters here
>>43421172
no, the original still has poor framing

>>43421174
>you must be fat because i dont agree with your point
>oh it makes sense youre malnourished because i dont agree with your point
??? lmfao retard

>>43421169
okay so you can't think straight from malnutrition. either way, deranged.

>>43421176
no, it makes sense you don't have a good relationship with your body and seeing those who do makes you seethe. anorexia is just far more rare than obesity.

>do you want to press the button that does nothing
>OR
>do you want to press the button that kills you if less 50% pick it

give me one (1) reason why blue pickers aren't fucking retarded morons that needlessly endanger both their own and others lives for no reason

>>43421175
>performatively voting blue anyways
i would probably vote red because i am a coward. i just wanted to make conversation desu

>>43421185
because on paper it makes you sound like you're being kind, which is something women care about (others thinking they are good people)

Imagine the buttons:
>blue: you die
>red: 7 billions people die, you and like 10 ppl close by to you assuredly not concerned
Would you press blue or red?
I'm pressing red every single time

>>43421095
Its not omitting any information though. It tells you exactly the same information. It just stops it from being framed as a collective responsibility question.

>>43421209
It frames it as if other people that vote blue don't die. You could assume its extrapolated to other people, but what if other people don't have to make that choice and are simply given the buttons? This ambiguity is disorienting

>>43421172
>most people vote blue
that's not the claim you made. you made the claim that there exists some form of the question in which nobody would pick red

>do you want to press the button that does nothing
>OR
>do you want to press the button that kills half of the world population if more than 50% pick it

give me one (1) reason why red pickers aren't fucking retarded morons that needlessly endanger others lives for no reason

>>43421185
>Do you want to press the button that kills <50% of the population if <50% population picks blue?
This is the real red dillemma, which you don't want to touch because you're retarded and autistic. If you do a campaign of red, you will almost always kill some amount of people, as high as 49%. In case of blue campaigning, you have a high chance of nobody dying, and a high chance of 49% dying.

>>43421202
incels should abstain from commenting tho, you cant frame every single thing as "is this going to help me get baginas?"
literally proto-jeets

>>43421243
nobody here wants to have sex with vaginas we are on the gay section of a website that only has men

>>43421156
Simply present potentially matches with the button and ask for their reasoning on the answer

>>43421233
Except that blue doesn't 'do nothing' and if you consider it as an option you'll need to make a guess what percentage of the global population would be selfless or over-emotional enough to pick it. It would come down to your view on human nature.

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>>43420879
red is risk free button. I dont care if someone dies, not my problem. Libshits think they are better because they want save everyone with blue.

>>43421267
Probably, even though blue is the socially expected response signaling altruism, so lots of people would choose to lie.

>>43421156
>Psychopathic
Not even that, just low IQ. Even when of not big intellectual value, we wouldn't have a lot of things without altruists/empaths, including low wage workers - without which the economy would collapse. We'd also lose a heavy portion of the lower-level education/healthcare sector, theological sector (which is important for two above + voluntary work) and arts/creativity sector. Getting rid of them on a whim like that is simply stupid

>>43421294
>Libshits think they are better because they want save everyone with blue.
jeets, jews and china will flock to red
whites will be over represented amongst blue pressers
even by your chud logic voting red is retarded

>>43421156
yeah this board might be the worst demographic to ask this question. most of the people here are social outcasts who got pushed aside by people for being trannies/gay/ex-incels/autists. the whole dilemma is "what if someone i love is retarded enough to press blue?". yes it is ideal for everyone to press red but thats never going to happen so you press blue hoping your close ones or randoms (if youre a good person) dont die. nobody here thinks about these things because hate breeds more hate

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^ this how blue pressers view humanity btw

Im an autistic, video game loving, logic driven INTP transbian and I vote blue. Red voters are simply both retarded AND sociopathic

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>im going to put myself at risk for no reason and you’re a bad person if you don’t do the same
Why are blue-pressers so retarded?
This isn’t like the prisoner dilemma (which actually has stakes and game theory in which morality is relevant) because nothing changes between everyone pressing red or everyone pressing blue, blue just means you risk dying for no reason.

>>43421365
Maybe. I'm moderately sociable despite being autistic, and images of the people I know evaporating from existence flash before my eyes the moment I start thinking about pressing red.

Red voters need to be systematically rooted out and culled. They are fundamentally sick humans.

>>43421319
You don't seriously think a collectivist society like China is going to vote red, do you? Braindead.

red voters believe that humanity is ultimately intelligent, rational, and capable of making good decisions

meanwhile blue voters...

>>43421366
>>43421412
are blue voters wrong?

>>43421412
in what universe is it a sign of good judgement to press the "kill people button"

>>43421412
>rational
>lmao don't care if u die
>good
>there are 2 buttons, kill and don't kill; i vote kill
>intelligent
>good outcome requires 50%+1 votes, therefore I'm pressing the button that makes it more likely for the good outcome to require 100% of votes
??

>>43420879
I would press the red button to guarantee my own survival. I also persuasively advise others against pressing the blue button.

just fyi pretty much every gov't in the world would have vote blue propaganda campaigns for their people, there's no shot red ends up with a majority. red voters are just demonstrating their sociopathic callousness. Blue voters know our side wins in the end.

>>43421427
>>there are 2 buttons, kill and don't kill; i vote kill
the options are
>commit suicide unless 50% pick this
and
>do not commit suicide but the people who picked suicide will kill themselves

the question is: do red voters think a red win is a more favorable outcome compared to a blue win?

>a subset of /lgbt/ histrionics eagerly pressing a suicide button then blaming everyone else for not risking their lives to save them
Really one of those "life imitates art, art imitates life" moments

>>43421431
The task doesn't actually specify if people are transported into the button room without a warning. But it's more interesting that way.

>>43421436
Red voters are so fucking disingenuous and always leave out context. DARVO dark triad behavior.

Red isn't just "don't commit suicide" it's "I am enabling death for everyone who picked the other option." You are pressing the button that activates the guillotine and blaming the people standing under the guillotine. Just don't press the fucking button that activates the guillotine, you SOCIOPATHIC FREAK

>>43421444
they probably think kindness and selflessness are gay. like this retard >>43421150 who says empathy bad because women o algo.

>>43421452
maybe you SHOULDN'T STAND UNDER THE FUCKING GUILLOTINE THEN

>>43421458
The way you're arguing this it almost seems like you *want* to press the guillotine button. Why don't you just... not press the button. And maybe come join us under the guillotine because, hey, the guillotine button isn't being pressed anyway

>>43421458
I'm standing under the guillotine to prevent it from being turned on. I am choosing to not turn the guillotine on. You are pressing the button that turns it on. You are literally the person activating the death sequence. You are the direct killer.

If you're about to swing a sword and someone walks in front of you, and you have a moment to reflect, do you continue to swing the sword at them, or do you put the sword down and stand next to them? You murderous fucking freak?

>>43421458
You're literally controlling the guillotine, you retard.

>>43421444
I know this whole bit is just a ploy for blue voters to smugly pat each other on the back and excommunicate people they deem unpure from society, however I still think less people dying is good. I trust that there will be enough red voters for us to make a strong community after the victorious blue voters start persecuting us.

Your honor, if he didn't want to die by my guillotine, then he shouldn't have put himself in there. I had no agency! I had to press the button!

>>43421319
>the button that guarantees a 100% chance of survival for you
>retarded

>>43421503
Yes. It's retarded because you're not the only person on the planet.

>>43421493
>>43421431
It's not even just the governments that would propagandize blue. I work as a health and safety engineer in a heavy manufacturing environment. My lifes work is designing procedures, interlocks, and other safety devices to keep people from blowing themselves up. I know for a fact if the red button blue button scenario was something that came up in the factory, they would drill the fuck out of the employees to vote blue. Do NOT turn the heavy machinery on if someone might be under it. Just get under it. DO NOT TURN IT ON IF YOU ARE NOT SURE NOBODY IS THERE

>>43421375
>reddoids are delusional enough to think they can control everybody's mind to both believe nobody important voted blue and that they will press red with zero consequence

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To explain why this dilemma (and everyone who picked blue) is retarded pseudo-intellectual brainrot, let’s take a look at the classic game theory prisoner’s dilemma.
Notice that in the prisoner’s dilemma the outcomes vary significantly between all permutations, there is an optimal outcome if you’re altruistic that punishes both a little but leads to the least ill, however, choosing this option risks the worst option for you if your companion doesn’t act altruistically. Both acting selfishly punishes both significantly, but less than if one acted altruistically. It becomes a dilemma of trust and moral fortitude that describes the way that trust and deception works in real social dynamics, albeit in a simplified way. A moral person with faith in their companion’s good sense and morality will choose to stay silent, a selfish person without faith in their companion’s goodness will sell out the other person for the reduced risk of the worst outcome.
Blue voters in this thread’s dilemma act like it functions the same way as the prisoner’s dilemma, but it doesn’t as I will demonstrate with other figures.

>>43421530
>Do NOT turn the heavy machinery on if someone might be under it. Just get under it. DO NOT TURN IT ON IF YOU ARE NOT SURE NOBODY IS THERE
>Just get under it.
Now I might just be a humble mill worker but none of the safety videos Ive had to watch told me to join the dumbass that decided to wedge himself into the hoppers.

>>43421569
>game theory
Opinion discarded.

>>43421586
This is not an equivalent scenario. The scenario isn't "just wedge yourself in the hopper", it's either A "wedge yourself in the hopper" or B "go turn the fucking hopper on regardless of whether anyone is wedged in there"

Health and safety would not be thrilled with this scenario but you have to pick one, your hand is forces. And so health and safety would absolutely drill employees to NOT TURN THE DEATH MACHINERY ON

I'm pressing blue because I know damn well that's what most of the world would do. I get to live and I don't have the knowledge that I was willing to let fuckloads of people die to save myself. Sucks to suck redfaggots

>>43421601
I sure am glad you smart and educated safety people are here to tell the rest of us that jamming the machines with our bodies is the solution. Im especially thankful youre willing to go first while I go on lunch and talk with the rest of swing shift to try and come up with what you thought jamming yourselves into the machinery would have accomplished

>>43421627
Nobody in the lunchroom is going to agree with you if you start arguing that we shouldve turned the hopper on when someone might be in there. They would look at you like you're a fucking psychopath or an idiot and shun you. If health and safety found out you were fantasizing about turning heavy machinery on recklessly with no safety checks when people might be in there, you'd be fired on the spot because you're going to get someone fucking killed

>>43421646
pretty sure this whole scenario is just absolute psychos fantasizing about "blamelessly" murdering all the good people in the world

>>43421646
>Nobody in the lunchroom is going to agree with you if you start arguing that we shouldve turned the hopper on when someone might be in there
I didnt turn it on
I chose to not stick myself in harms way
Nobody in that room chose to join you in the heavy machinery that we all knew was dangerous
That you cant see the difference is why its so funny that you would lie about your job to bully people into risking their lives for no reward

>>43421436
People who run into burning buildings to save children aren't suicidal. You're just a selfish person

>>43421662
The depressing part is it's something like 25-30% of humans who are like this. I thought maybe 10% of people were just outright evil before but that was naive. In retrospect, 30% makes a lot more sense. No wonder the world is so horrible with these people shitting it up

>>43421673
You are too low IQ to engage with this thought exercise. The scenario is that death only activates if you vote for it to activate. You, the red voter, are quite literally pressing the button to turn the machinery on. You will get no further response if you don't have the 5th grade reading level to grasp this.

>>43421662
Correct. You can tell by the seething of red voters whenever the blue team wins. Everyone survives and THAT'S BAD BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL WRONG. If you talk to selfish people irl, you'll notice the same aberration: they absolutely hate the selfless, try to trip them up, project onto them (you're doing it because X, you have an ulterior motive), etc.

>>43421697
Thats fine, you might want to talk to someone about those suicidal tendencies though. Im sure someone would miss you if you followed through with diving into the grinder

>>43420996
>protestants
non denominationals aren't protestant in the same way the mormons aren't christian and following the state cult of capitalism is not the same as protestantism

>>43421705
Is is projection or is this test an obvious psyop? The button colors just happened to map neatly onto political sides in the real world. Just a coincidence I'm sure. Vote blue no matter who.

>>43421673
>I didnt turn it on
yes you did, by voting red your actions either caused the death of billions or had no impact

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>>43421569
Choosing to press red will literally never harm you in any way, nor will it harm anyone else if they press red as well. Someone has to press blue for literally any harm to have even a chance of occurring to anyone. But if people do CHOOSE to press blue then most people need to because otherwise the death machine gets activated.
You can only argue that pressing red is immoral and blue moral if you take the view that you have no faith in the intelligence of your counterparts, or if you feel that everyone has a moral duty to RISK THEIR LIVES to prevent INTENTIONAL suicide, which might be noble but is the point at which altruism verges into self destruction or the tendency to view your fellow humans of lacking personal agency. This is retarded as game theory because you don’t lose anything when you pick red no matter what and someone else only gets in trouble if they pick the other option. There is no personal disadvantage and the only reason anyone else would suffer if you choose red is if they didn’t. In an actual prisoners dilemma the equivalent would be that you just don’t get punished if you confess and neither will your companion if they confess too.
Not only is this not a reasonable dilemma in the way that the prisoner’s dilemma is, it’s essentially the exact opposite of the prisoners dilemma. Meaning that the faith aspect is flipped around and instead of hoping that your partner is nice, you just have to hope that they aren’t stupid enough to harm themselves.
In the prisoners dilemma I would stay silent to hope for the best outcome, in this dilemma, I’m going to hope that my fellow people aren’t suicidal morons

came into this expecting a bunch of performative fembrained blue voters but ended up finding a red landslide wtf

>>43421729
Nice wall of text that brings no new information in you pseud. Red is not a passive "save myself" choice, it's an active "save myself and turn the death machine on" choice, as we've already discussed

>what do you mean youre religious do you need sky daddy to teach you morals i am a good person and i dont need religion for that
>btw i want to press the kill everyone now button because its bad to not want to kill people

>>43421754
I'm an Atheist and have been arguing in favor of blue, try again bitch ass motherfucker. In fact I truly believe red button pressers are mostly conservative religious folks.

>>43421729
>blah blah suicide
I press blue because I want to increase my family's chances, and I know they are very likely to press blue to increase my chances as well.
Also this, red is the kill button >>43421749

>>43421754
I'm literally an atheist and I'm a hard radical blue voter that thinks reds should have their voting rights taken away and be removed from any position of authority

>>43421749
Bro, you pressed the “risk of me dying” button, that’s on you, you chose to do that.

redfags, tell me why i should want to live in a world with only you

>>43421732
Why do you think blues are performative?

>>43421777
i dont, i am a blue myself, i just expected given the nature of this board there would be a bunch of people who thought "women are empathetic so i should choose blue because thats what a woman would do" and skew the result beyond validity

>>43421766
>>43421760
this is more or less directly addressed to >>43421150 and indirectly to the rest of this bunch here
general mood here is always religion is retarded and general mood here is also kill everyone now
i can guarantee you if you went to a random church and asked them if they want to press the kill everyone now button they would press it less than if you went to non-religious spaces like idk czechia or some

>>43421770
Again, you are omitting key information from the scenario. I am not merely choosing the "put myself at risk" button, I am choosing the "put myself at risk and DO NOT TURN THE DEATH MACHINE ON" button
The fact that you cannot grasp these important qualifying motivators betrays your generally low IQ

>>43421761
It’s the kill button even though it’s the one that never kills you if you press it? No. Blue is the suicide risk button, you are choosing to put yourself at risk, you are a conscious agent with the ability to choose, and you are choosing the death gamble.

>>43421760
>In fact I truly believe red button pressers are mostly conservative religious folks.
They polled some religious/conservative place (wish I had saved the link), and blue still won. Love your neighbor like you love yourself is the core principle of Christianity, though, so any religious Christian is obligated to press the blue button.

>>43421760
you cant project everything you dont like about other people onto "conservative religious folks" you know better

>>43421791
>im an atheist
Yeah we can tell because of your performative virtue-signalling based morality that acts like nobody else has individual agency.

>>43421799
>you are choosing to put yourself at risk
And this risk of death is introduced by whom? Come on, think.

>>43421805
Yeah its basically only the secular/nazi wing of maga who vote red.

>>43421821
The mad scientist that put us all in this button room?

>>43421815
i am not an atheist
>>43421824
i'm from east germany and i just have to say if you hate the religious right wait until you deal with the atheist right

>>43421852
No, anon. It's the red voters.

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>Hmm I can choose to enter the chimp cage or not
>if I enter the cage alone then I’ll be ripped apart by the chimp
>if enough people enter the cage with me we can outnumber the chimp and prevent it hurting us in the cage
>if I don’t enter the cage nothing happens to me and the only people who had a chance of getting hurt are those who chose to enter the cage
>hmm, why no, I won’t be entering the cage, how could you tell?

>>43421862
>Victim blaming
Typical of blue pressers that dont get their way

>>43421887
Again, not an equivalent scenario. Red voters seem to be fundamentally low IQ and incapable of creating analogous scenarios.

An analogous scenario would be that you can either enter the chimp cage and give the docile chimp hugs, or stay outside it and inject the chimp with murder drugs that will cause it to kill everyone inside

>>43421893
mad scientist didn't force you to push murder button

>>43421893
Bitch you're in control of your button, you can influence the outcome.

Can we make sure blue voters get extremely painful deaths for being extremely retarded

Seeing a pattern emerge and Id like to pose a variable
>The button press is now optional, you can choose to simply walk out of the room and away from the experiment all together

>>43421233
because everyone can pick red, we can achieve the ideal solution of no-one dying by all being "selfish", you don't have to trust anyone, we can all just say "let's all act in our best interest and press red, we all live and not have to worry about someone betraying you", of course once in front of the buttons someone can decide to press blue, but the only consequences for that is them maybe being killed
by not pressing red you're risking your life to save someone who's risking their live to save someone who's risking their life to save someone who's risking their life to save someone who's risking their life ...
when we all could just, not risk our lives, and nobody will need to be saved

>>43421909
I don’t think you understand chimp behaviour very well. Maybe if I said “bear” you’d understand. Maybe don’t get in the cage with the dangerous animal and complain that not enough people came in to help you stop it killing you

I press blue but I also don’t particularly value my own life, so anyone suggesting that compassion, fembrain, or virtue signaling play a part in that decision is wrong. Here’s a better question:

> Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, people who pressed the blue button go to infinite torture hell. Which button would you press?

>>43422044
The chimp for a fact is docile and huggable UNTIL 51% of people decide to stay outside and inject it with murder drugs. Maybe don't inject the chimp with murder drugs, you fucking psycho

>>43422025
I fully understand where you're coming from, but everyone pressing red is unrealistic. 1% of world population is 82 million, by the way.

>>43422010
I (a redchad) would simply walk away, instead of choosing the “nothing happens” button, I can choose to do literally nothing.
I suspect bluecels would seethe at the loss of an ability to moral grandstand by “showing solidarity”

>>43422082
You’re the one choosing to get in the cage with the dangerous animal, we’re the ones choosing to stay outside.

>>43422104
You are not just choosing to stay outside. You are choosing to stay outside AND inject the chimp with murder drugs. You will get no further responses if you cannot be intellectually honest

>>43422082
>decide to stay outside and inject it with murder drugs
You keep applying this layer of malice to the equation that clearly isnt there. Nobody is forcing you into this dangerous situation and theres no upside to being in it. The murder drugs are in your head

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Let me make this clear for you retards:
If you press blue you are too stupid to be trusted with freedom, liberty and autonomy. Red winning would quite possibly be the best thing to happen to the rest of humanity, it would be an unparalleled level of eugenics by killing nearly all retards.
If you vote red, you at minimum have enough brain power to think things through and realized "oh if everyone picks red, everyone survives and no one puts themselves at risk!". Surprisingly, this low bar is already far too high for bluecels to grasp.
hope this helps

>>43422113
You added the injection because you don’t know how violent chimps are and know that you’re purposefully choosing to enter danger for absolutely no reason other than other people might do it. Blue flags really are pathetic

>>43422114
The upside of being in the cage is that I am not choosing to inject murder drugs into the chimpanzee that will kill everyone in the cage.

You being outside are specifically choosing to enable the chimpanzee to become a killer

>>43422127
This is the actual fundamental motivation of red voters. They whinge and wring their hands but ultimately they do not care for human life enough to simply not turn a death machine on

>>43421444
it not a favorable outcome since in the end the results are the same, but it is way easier to implement since the collective interest of "everyone press red, everyone live" is exactly the same as your personal interest of "I make sure I won't die"
if there is a blue victory it would be good but would have been a big risk for blue presser, because people can betray them to save their own ass
so instead of trusting others to not betray you with the blue strategy to maybe save everyone, choose the strategy where everyone can live by pressing red and if someone betray you they end up dead (unless the majority of people are betraying you)

>>43422137
Do you often see people with these "murder drugs" in your day to day life?

red button pressers are abusers.
blue button pressers are victims.

>>43422160
This isn't a day to day life scenario, it's a magic button scenario. You will be getting no further responses as you are too low IQ or dishonest to simply admit you want to kill people

>>43422127
>"responsibility is when i only think about myself. if you care about others, you are retarded."
so it's true low iq people can't comprehend they are indeed stupid.
>everyone picks red
an impossible scenario.
>over 50 pick blue
a more likely scenario which, in addition, results in 100% rate of survival for everyone.

>>43421444
Everyone pressing red has the same outcome as everyone pressing blue but in the former case, nobody risked anything by pressing red and there was never any danger. It is a favourable outcome for everyone and I was at no personal risk by making that choice. Why wouldn’t everyone press the “nothing happens to me” button?

>>43422176
You just keep adding more and more to the basic scenarios given to you but it makes your point weaker, not stronger. There is no "getting to hug a docile chimp" on the blue side. The red side isnt trying to kill you. They are trying to not die. You can keep falling back on calling people who disagree with you stupid but I dont think you actually have the emotional maturity to discuss this in any meaningful way yourself.

>>43422205
In a perfect simulation full of enlightened Vulcans, everyone would press red. The scenario, however, is set on Earth.

>>43422207
The red side, in making its choice to not risk itself, is again, enabling the death of the blue side. You being unable to engage with that is either a sign of your intellectual dishonesty or stupidity. In the former case, ironically enough, its you who are emotionally immature, as you are kicking and screaming instead of admitting what your axiom is, which is >>43422127

>>43422244
>in making its choice to not risk itself
>enabling the death of the blue side
Do you pull the lever when faced with the trolley problem?

>>43422253
That's a non-sequitor. Voting for blue is fundamentally "I am voting for nobody to die" while voting for red is fundamentally "I am voting for all blues to die"

>>43422272
That’s how blue voters might see it: an opportunity to broadcast moral superiority
Reds clearly see it as: I can choose to press the button that does nothing to me, which everyone else is free to choose as well, or I can press the death gamble button, I’ll choose the nothing to me button and have confidence that my fellow man will share in my desire to continue living.

>>43422272
>"I am voting for nobody to die" while voting for red is fundamentally "I am voting for all blues to die"
see there it is again, the persecution complex. Is my inaction killing blue if enough people choose to not join in? I dont think so, but I also can walk away from that trolley lever because I can wash my hands of the whole thing. Youre repeatedly acting as if self preservation is a moral failing when the risk to the contrary is for literally nothing but my own self satisfaction. My ego just isnt that big
>non-sequitor
Im trying to let you explain your thoughts in a rational way instead of letting you hit your ass on the way out with "no u" and unironic chud posting

>>43422299
No, that's quite literally, by majority vote, what the votes do.
Majority vote for blue, nobody dies.
Majority vote for red, all blues die.

Blue voters vote for nobody to die. Reds vote for all blues to die.

You can whinge and say "well I just like.. I wish there weren't any blues!" But you know, for a fact, there are blues. You know for a fact you are voting for all blues to die.

This is my final reply to you because if this very simple explanation doesn't work you're either trolling or again, just too stupid to fully understand the prompt.

>>43421599
>you can’t use logic on this dilemma question
Typically emotional blue, sad! You dont have to climb out onto the edge of the building and risk a fall, and I don’t have to climb out there to save you and risk a fall myself, we can both stay indoors

>>43422337
No, blues are voting to kill themselves, simple as. I don’t know you and I don’t need to risk dying in order to prevent your suicide attempt

>>43422088
it's unrealistic that everyone won't walk in the middle of a highway
am i morally bad if i would rather drive a car in that highway rather than following them in the middle of the road because "if at least half of us are in the middle of traffic the cars will notice us from far away and stop" (keep in mind most people are on the highway to save other people who are in the highway to save them in the first place)

it's like accidents in low oxygen environment: someone drop on the floor due to low oxygen, so someone rush to save them but also drop on the floor due to low oxygen, and soon you end up with a pile of 5 dead people before someone decide to not rush in the low oxygen environment and call qualified help

risking your life to save someone may make you feel like a hero and sometime throwing more bodies at a problem do work, but your first responsibility should be to not aggravate the situation by either dying or needing more people to risk their life to save you just because you wanted to say "i'm a good person, i rushed to help someone; now go risk your life to save me"

>>43422361
Crazy sociopathic, narcissistic level of self delusion. This is why red voters need to be killed. Every last one of you is a stain on the world

>>43422367
>but your first responsibility should be to not aggravate the situation
so... not voting red? because there is no external factor. no oxygen, no traffic. just you.

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>>43422369
So much for blues not wanting people to die lmao. I don’t want you to die, I just don’t want to risk committing suicide and I’m not willing to risk my life to save other people who are choosing to make the suicide gamble. I know there are other nasty red voters who want to harm blues but I don’t and never did.
What if the question was thus:
“There is a blue button in front of you, you and 98 other people (99 total) will be presented this button. You can choose to press it or you can choose to walk away and not press it. If you press it then you will die unless at least 50 people total press it, if 49 or fewer press it, those who pressed it die. Do you press it?”
Is this better? Do you see the red as bad because it’s a choice that involves as much action as blue?

>>43422337
No, the fact that your are guaranteed to be safe is a critical component of red.

>if everyone voted red no one would die!!!
yeah if everyone voted blue no one would die either

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>>43420879
first time i've seen one of these have more red then blue voters. maybe u girls are malebrained tbhon

>>43422448
malebrain and fembrain are fake. 4chan attracts antisocial weirdos. some of them are okay, but many are edgy and harbor fantasies of violence. i'm surprised it's not 90% red, but i guess you could achieve that number if you posted the poll on /pol/, /b/, or /r9k/.

please consider the following scenario:

you and your friend robed a bank and the police is interrogating you.
you can either choose to deny knowing anything about the robbery or falsely confess you're the only one responsible for it.
if nobody confess you will be released due to lack of evidence, if only one of you confess they will go to jail for 10 years, if you both confess the contradictory confessions will be declared unusable evidence and you will both be released

do you confess or not?
https://strawpoll.com/40Zm4pbaoga

>>43422421
Yes but they’d have risked dying when they didn’t have to. The only advantage to picking blue is that you get to feel elf satisfied. I’m not choosing for other people to die I’m choosing to not risk my life for people who are gambling their lives on their egos

>>43422472
> i'm surprised it's not 90% red
It was 75% red until about an hour ago. Funny enough the last ~15 votes have been blue

>>43422474
This is why I made the comparison with the prisoners dilemma here >>43421569 >>43421729

>>43422417
Reducing the number of people involved drastically changes the moral calculus to the point where the two are not comparable scenarios. For one with 100 involved you can be reasonably sure nobody's going to press the button. The original scenario was every human, and yes, if you walk away from the button in that scenario you are deciding to genocide millions if not billions. This is why you have to die, because you are the type of person to kill billions to save your own skin

red voters are selfish. their vote is to guarentee their own safety.
blue voters are altruistic. their vote is to guarentee your safety.
you guys think blue voters are retarded because in your self consumption you can't understand how someone else could be empathetic or care about someone else.

>>43422472
men make up the largest proportion of antisocial weirdos. this is mostly like because of socialization and not innate biological differences but antisocial behavior is "malebrained"

I am once again posing the question with enhanced stakes

>Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone goes to heaven. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button go to heaven. People who don’t go to heaven go to infinite torture hell. Which button would you press?

>>43422531
Blue, if satan gets me I'll just call him daddy

>>43422531
blue, this one is honestly easier than the original

>>43422531
>I am once again posing the question with enhanced stakes
The point is to not enhance the stakes retard.
>press red, nothing bad happens to you personally
>press blue, possible bad unless enough other people hit it then nothing happens
Adding a carrot to blue or a stick to red defeats the purpose of the question

>>43422496
Why, you don’t know the other 98 people either? Why can you predict what every single one of them would do? Id actually have less faith in the global population to be altruistic because a lot of people out there want millions to die.
> This is why you have to die, because you are the type of person to kill billions to save your own skin
You’re proving that you’re not interested in the preservation of human life, you’re interested in moral superiority and the ability to morally and even mortally condemn others. So you are literally the same as the people who press with malice except you’re also a hypocrite because you want to say that you’re saving lives but also think other people deserve to die for not agreeing with you. I don’t want anyone to die, and nobody has to because all of them are allowed to press the “I don’t die” button.

>>43422561
>Adding a carrot to blue or a stick to red defeats the purpose of the question
I didn’t do that retard. What I did is change the penalty from death to hell. That’s a stick to blue if anything

>>43422511
>their vote is to guarantee your safety.
no their vote is to grantee the safety of the other people who also voted blue when nobody forced anyone to vote blue in the first place

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I picked blue because I prefer endings where the most amount of characters survive

>>43422583
it doesn't undermine the point that red voters are narcissists and blue voters are altruists.

>>43422572
Life should be preserved but sociopathic aspd reds threaten that preservation and harmony. You cause all the problems in the world. Thats why you have to die reddie. I care about you and I wish you didn't have to, but you are too dangerous to be kept alive

>>43422597
I expect that most blue voters change their tune when faced with eternal torture as opposed to just death.

this entire thing frustrates me as the buttons may as well be labeled
>do nothing
>kill yourself unless your choice to kill yourself sways enough people to gamble on their own life to save you
its so obviously irrational to pick blue. people talk about picking blue to want to save people but its like saying
>i would throw myself in front of a train because if enough people do it at the same time the train would slow down and stop
it makes no sense at all, its not moral in fact i think its amoral to compel people to risk hurting themselves for no benefit at all

the annoying thing to me is the people who say this means i am evil or uncaring in some way

>>43422413
you don't aggravate the situation by not pressing blue which put you at risk of dying and pressure other people to put THEIR life at risk by pressing blue to save you, because you selfishly wanted to feel like a hero when you had the option to do nothing

> no traffic. just you
we are the traffic the options are:
1) drive a car and maybe hit people who chose to run in the middle of the highway
2) run in the middle of the highway because if at least half did that then instead of being run over those who chose option 1) will see you from far away and stop

i don't ask you if you think those who chose option 1) are good people, but are they bad people when this was the only two options available?

>>43422621
>I don’t want to risk my life to save others who choose to endanger theirs
>YOU ARE EVIL AND NEED TO DIE, YOU ARE A SOCIOPATH
That’s not what sociopathy is, you hyper emotional manchild. A sociopath in real life actively chooses to take from others and give to themself. Like how real sociopaths profit monetarily off of poor people, except in the mechanics of this dilemma those poor people would have a “stop being poor” button in front of them, and so does every other poor person, they could just push the “I’m ok” button. That isn’t how it works in real life but that is how it works in this scenario.
Are you saying that blue should be pressed by everyone because you think that there are lots of stupid people who would press blue for no reason despite the risk?

>>43422630
but have you considered that it's unrealistic to think that nobody will jump in front of the train?
since some people will jump in front of the train then the only way to save them is that most should jump in front of the train
btw you're a bad person if you don't agree and participate with my plan

>>43422448
>poll is now ticking up by one vote on each side in regular intervals
Im not sure if this data is still any good

>>43422621
>life should be preserved
Good I agree, and everyone has the choice to live in this scenario, I don’t want to risk throwing it away.
>except you, you deserve to die
Seems like you might be projecting the malice you attribute to the reds

>>43422712
i disagree firstly with the idea that the morality is one directional. i think it is immoral, if you understand that it is irrational to pick blue, to press it. you are then compelling people to risk their own safety which is evil. you are sort of forcing others into danger which is a more immoral act than putting yourself in danger

>>43421467
Don't stand under the guillotine that's a stupid way to try and avoid being guillotined, instead just don't do that and you 100% won't die

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>>43420879
>do you want to press the do nothing button or the possibly die button
hm, you know that's a tough one

>>43421493
This would stand up in court though, your honour I avoided the death machine by standing away from it, my actions increased the likelyhood of it turning on by 0.0000001%, and nobody had to stand under it

>>43421467
This is ridiculous as you could also be said to be turning the guillotine on, as if nobody presses blue then nobody dies of it either. Without blue being pressed, there is no guillotine at all.

>>43421601
This is not a health and safety problem, you're not using any machinery for some purpose

>>43421680
You shouldn't run into burning buildings idiot

>>43422785
You and every other person who is standing under the guillotine chose to be there, you literally factually chose to be there. I’m not going to apologise for valuing my life highly and also assuming that everyone else who does will similarly not pointlessly endanger themselves.

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>people who picked blue are allowed to vote irl
explains a lot

>>43422780
do you want red to win or blue to win?

>>43421798
It's not a death machine it's a machine you kill yourself with if you choose to, it's automated suicide not automated murder, pressing red turns on a threshing machine, pressing blue jumps into it for no reason hoping enough people do it they get stuck

>>43421680
In this scenario you 100% know that there were no people in the building before it caught on fire, and you don’t even know that there is anyone in there. Anyone in the building saw it was on fire and, knowing that everyone else in the world could see that the building was on fire from the outside, decides to go in doesn’t get to condemn people who see a burning building and avoid it because it’s dangerous and assume everyone else will avoid it too

>>43422867
He probably wants to not die

>>43422865
>people vote red, then wonder why people hate them for their selfishness

>>43421821
Blue, obviously

>>43422870
you either turn the machine on or you go into the machine
are you ok with turning the death machine on (knowing that statistically people will be in it)?

>>43421185
Because some people will press blue because they know others will press blue and they want to save those people.
If you know other people will press blue then it becomes the right option.
Despite the red being clearly the "correct" option from game theory perspective it is not obvious if you account for human nature.

>>43422865
that picrel
>i support slavery by the way
>wait, why are people telling me i'm evil?

>>43421909
That's not the same, you need 4 billion people to help you in the cage, not joining in your weird risk does nothing, we're literally bystanders, we do not take away from your numbers

>>43422883
everyone who ever lived eventually died, not everyone who ever lived chose to kill someone else

>>43422867
there is no "winning" in this scenario. it's "possibly die for no reason or do nothing"

>>43422052
Red every day

>>43422889
>from game theory perspective
Since in this thread we've gathered all the game theory expert, could somebody explain to me, a philistine, this: if game theory is meant to simulate to human behavior but not to take into account human nature, then why is it taken seriously?

i want to press the button that ensures my kid's survival regardless of what their choice is.

>>43422173
>I jumped into a fire on my own
>You did this because you didn't die trying to pull me out

If you’re stupid enough to press blue you deserve to die.

>>43422920
usually game theory assumes everybody behaves 100% rationally, sometimes humans don't behave rationally
it is a framework to analyze behaviours and optimal outcomes but you can not solve human decisionmaking.

red button pressers are immature children
blue are adults

>>43422905
>I choose the no risk of death button
>I choose the risk of suicide unless most people also pick it button
You’re choosing suicide risk.
I value my life more than I value saving everyone who deliberately chose to gamble their life

>>43422909
do you want red to win or blue to win?

>>43422920
>then why is it taken seriously?
Because despite factors outside your control you cant still work out where the best odds are for you to succeed based on the factors within your control

>>43422920
it doesn't simulate human behavior, it simply tells you how to best play a game
if humans don't want to choose the strategy that that saves everyone and has no personal risk for anyone, because at least one hypothetical person would take a useless risk and press blue, so now everyone need to take a useless risk and press blue to save the first person (if they exist in the first place), then game theory only says that humans are idiot

>>43422921
>ensures
The only way to do that is to convince him to press red. Nothing else you do will ensure his safety.

>>43422886
I'm not turning the suicide machine on, I have no effect on the suicide machine, you are going into the suicide machine hoping that 4 billion people also do, I'm just watching, it's the level of blue that controls if the machine turns on, red is just an inverse dictated by blue
If there's a train coming, do you walk onto the tracks hoping enough of you also go with you that the train sees the like? Do you blame people that don't join you for not making the pile of people more visible?

>>43422965
i'm pressing red and letting whatever happens next happen

>>43422994
that undermines his own agency. regardless of how much you tell them to press red, they may press blue to spite you or otherwuse rebel.

you can't pick for them. hence, blue means you support them regardless of their decision. red means you only care about yourself.

if you don't get it, then you're a problem.

Blue voters think red voters are reducing their effectiveness but they aren't, blue have a threshold to meet, of 4 billion, voting red does not make that number bigger

>if i vote red i survive
>if i vote blue my loved one survives

>there is a button
>press it and you die, unless 4 billion people or more press it
This is the same experiment

>>43423027
that's not true. blue voters just think you don't care about anyone other than yourself and your rational proves the validity of their assessment.

your argument that if everyone votes red no one dies is moot when the same can be said if everyone votes blue. so what's the difference between voting red or voting blue? self-preservation vs altruism.

>>43423030
>if i vote red i survive
>if i vote blue my loved one (will maybe if enough people vote blue) survives
>if both me and my loved ones vote red we will without a doubt survive

>>43423054
you missed the point. people have free will. you can't guarentee they vote the way you want.

if you don't understand the point, then you can't argue it.

>>43423051
I do care about other people I hope they vote red and don't gamble for no reason
Everybody pressing blue would be fine, they won't though

>>43423067
why should i care if some retard decides to willfully kill themselves

how often do kids listen to their parents? just because you tell them to vote red does not ensure they will. hence, you voting red exposes your own selfishness. it means you don't care about your loved ones in earnest as you wouldn't sacrifice yourself to ensure their survival.

there's no guarentee your loved ones survive. blue increases the odds that they do.

It's not altruistic to try to convince people to walk onto train tracks with you

>>43423103
Increases the odds by 0.000001% and risks you dying by an unknown percent

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>>43423103
>if you really loved me you'd kill yourself for me

>>43423098
if that were true you would vote blue. you put yourself before them, that's why you pick red. i don't care that you're a narcissist. your inability to concede the point exposes you for what you are. you can't jade narcissists. you can't justify, argue, defend, or explain because they lack the intellectual capacity to care about someone other than themself.

it just speaks to who you are as a person. an evil.

good and evil is a spectrum of altruism versus selfishisness. good are seen as those that are selfless where evil are those seen as selfish. the selfless can be trusted, the selfish cannot. that's why america is currently in shambles. we have selfish lying hypocrites running the show and you're seeing the fallout of it.

was abraham justified in sacrificing his own son to god? if murder is wrong and he murdered his son, then how could it ever be considered a righteous action? he acted in self-preservation as the red button pressers. it only exposes their flawed sense of humanity.

>>43423012
You said ensure. Pressing blue does not ensure his safety, you fucking retard.

>>43423137
>not joining our suicide cult makes you evil

>>43423137
You're getting angry at me for doing literally nothing, like red does nothing, just don't walk in front of the train friend, please don't do it

>>43423165
Damn no wonder so many religious people and communists vote blue

>>43423156
you canmt guarentee what button your kid presses. do you pick the one that gives your kid the best chance of surviving regardless of what it means for you or do you save yourself?

it's like, would you donate a kidney to your kid? there's no guarentee your kid lives and their body doesn't reject the transplant. on top of that, the donation could kill you.

your answer is no. your kid isn't worth risking your own hide. so if family isn't worth risking your own hide for, then nothing is. that's why people don't like you.

We need to stop this train by gathering in front of it, why? Because there are people gathering in front of it to stop it. Why are they doing that? Because there are people In front of it trying to stop it. Why are they there? People in front trying to... you get the idea

>>43423171
did you press a button? then you did something. stop denying the impact of your own actions and agency on others. your actions hurt people.

>>43423191
I would not donate a kidney to my kid right now on the chance that he has just cut his own kidneys out without me knowing, no, that's stupid

>>43423206
The button does literally nothing, it does not change your threshold for success, your project is unaffected by me

>>43423195
>>we need to stop the spread of this virus by isolating and wearing masks.
>>why? only people with weak immune systems and poor people will did to it

we already saw the red vs blue play out. it was called covid and the red button pressers had super spreader events and told people to inject bleach. that's who you're arguing with as a blue button presser. that's why the argument is pointless.

>>43423191
>what about this alternate scenario where the stakes are different, your ability to affect the outcome is drastically higher and odds are much better?
Youre really bad at this

>>43423221
That's obviously different, reds are not infecting anybody

>>43423152
>was abraham justified in sacrificing his own son to god?
said son was a 30 yo adult man. he followed his elderly father willingly.

>>43423051
>so what's the difference between voting red or voting blue?
nta but the difference is that you have no risk whatsoever when you vote red

so the question is would you take a leap of faith and risk dying
worst case scenario half of humans die you included, best case scenario everyone live

or do you choose the solution that carries no risk for you or anyone who choose it
worst case scenario those who wanted to take a leap of faith die, best case scenario everyone live

Simply don't stand in front of the train and don't increase how many die to the train by recruiting more blues

>>43423221
>the red button pressers had super spreader events
Unlike the blue pressers that wisely understood that as long as you chant the holy catechisms there would be no spread

sociopaths losing their shit ngl

Blue vpning the results I see

>>43423255
Do you mean red or blue, neither are sociopaths, red just understands the question, and blue misunderstands what pushing red does (nothing)

>>43423137
Saying you’d vote blue doesn’t make you good or selfless. Good people devote large portions of their lives in service of the less fortunate without incentive and are rather rare

>>43423255
More like virtue signallers who don’t believe other people have agency are losing their shit, literally to the point of saying that people who disagree with them deserve to die.

>>43423266
red are psychopaths
blue are altruists

>>43423270
>Good people devote large portions of their lives in service of the less fortunate without incentive and are rather rare
And that is exactly why they should be saved. And the unfortunate. And those who can't understand or can't read. And the parents who press blue in order to avoid pressing the bad odds button on their children.

>>43423221
the people who are poor or have a weak immune system didn't chose to be like that
a more fitting example would be
>> everyone is perfectly healthy and middle class
>> you can choose to isolate and wear a mask BUT it gives you a weak immune system and you will die if you catch the virus
>> if at least 50% do this the virus is stopped
>> otherwise the virus spread among those who didn't give themselves a weak immune system and everyone who gave themselves a weak immune system die

how can you say pushing red does nothing when you're forced to pick a button? like, pushing the red button reduces the amount of blue button pressers

>>43423296
Blues are silly billies
Reds are epic winrar

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>I choose blue of course.
>moral good? Saving the suicidal? I’d be a sociopath if I didn’t?
>haha no, I have a gambling addiction.

>>43423312
No it doesn't you fucking moron

>>43423312
If you read the thread, you'll see that many people either don't understand or choose to ignore that fact, kicking and screaming that pressing red does nothing. (Which is obviously not true.)

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>red button pressers in a nutshell

Pressing red when the blue number is 488586 doesn't make the blue number 488585 you are so stupid

>shit were losing em better make it about contemporary politics

>>43423338
Why aren't the red ppl in your art trying to pull the blue ppl up? Or cushion their fall with some random stuff, since the creek doesn't seem all the deep.

>>43423337
It does nothing, if there was no button and you just didn't press blue it would be the same

>>43423356
Are you hard of braining or something

>>43423356
for the same reason the blue ppl decide not to take the safe bridge

>>43420885
India is based and I wish rest of the world had the minuscule of compassion to animals that indian culture has

>>43423349
????? dude if there's two blue guys and there's one red guy and you vote red tell me what happens to the ratio

>>43423398
You're so stupid, the ratio of a subgroup doesn't matter, it's whether you hit your predetermined threshold, not voting blue neither increases nor decrease that threshold, and the same for distance to the threshold, it has no effect

>some innocent humans will always push blue
>therefore at least 50% of humans must push blue
>by existing as a human, you increase the number of humans who must push blue by 0.5
>blue voters have a value of +0.5 (good)
>red voters have a value of -0.5 (evil)

>>43423419
Red doesn't kill anybody, you risk your own life

>>43423428
thanks for the fresh cope, might make a second version later

>>43423423
Wrong, fallacious attempt to understand the threshold, you do not add to it, it just is because the question has it there

>>43423435
You're lying about the thought experiment

>>43423453
>You're lying
how

>>43423463
You're saying not pushing blue could be killing people, red does nothing, blue is the one that risks killing people, pushing red is the same as not pushing the button at all

>>43423488
>You're saying not pushing blue could be killing people
well yeah
thats the whole point of the thought experiment, if the majority presses red then people will die because red got more presses than blue
are you retarded?

>>43423440
If you did not exist would the threshold be the same number or a different number?

Red was winning the poll handily like 39 to 10 now a blue voter has vpnned the results blatantly, very sad

I am pressing blue, because I want to kill myself. Anyone else pressing blue is evil, because they could potentially go rob my of my freedom to die.

blue is the only option that saves everyone. so if grandpa has a heart attack at the polling station that prevents him from hitting a button, blue ensures grandpa lives while red lets him die in pursuit of self preservation.

>>43423513
That's not what it says lmao, it hinges on the blue presses, the red presses do nothing, there is no
>If red % is at
There is only
>If blue % is at

>>43423520
Whatever the experiment dictates , are you serious? Nowhere in it does it say the threshold shifts, it just happens to be at exactly half the population, no culpability for the number is assigned, you are making things up to generate a morality

>>43423538
A heart attack that stops him voting means he does the same thing as voting red

>>43423565
>the red presses do nothing
every red press is a non blue press
this is so kosher ngl, trying to jew your way out of personal responsibility instead of admitting that you would rather kill people than risk your life

>>43423593
Exactly it is not a blue press I 100% agree, and not doing a thing is not doing a thing, doing no-thing, nothing

>>43423615
>not doing a thing is not doing a thing
you either press blue or press red, you either turn the blender on or step in it

>>43423690
Pressing red does not turn anything on, it does nothing, the blender has a weighted plate under it, if you meet the limit the blender's electricity supply is shut down and it never turns on which it will do otherwise by itself

The blender counts blues, not reds

>>43423711
its still action by inaction, you could prevent the blender from turning on by stepping inside

>>43423734
Nope, you could not, you can only increase the chance by 0.0000001% at an unknown risk of death

>>43423734
>dude just step into a blender haha

>>43423420
..you're forced to press the button, anon. everyone is forced to press the button. for simplicity, let's say the world is 4 people, and you're one of them. two of the others voted blue, and the other voted red. if you vote red, only 50% of the total people voted blue, so they die. if you vote blue, 75% of the people voted blue, so they live. do you understand now?

Oh my god you're in a blender? Are you trapped? No? Oh god get out the blender! Get out! You want to be in the blender? Why? To save the other people in the blender? No oh my god all of you get out the blender!!

the way red voters feel about blue is how civiliand see enlistees

They chose red and blue so that you'd click red if you were a republican
Kill yourselves for getting baited into answering "would you love me if I was a worm"
Anyway, all of you are copying AI answers from Twitter and this is a bot thread

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>>43420879
if red wins you're going to be living in a world that with a highly skewed gender ratio. women are, in general, not going to be thinking of what choice is logical or what the best option for game theory is, and are highly susceptible to coercive wording

>>43423814
You've changed the scenario to knowing how other people have voted, do it again but it's 4 billion on both sides and I'm the last vote in the world, if I knew that, easy blue press, same logic as with five people and im the decider, that is not the scenario though
Let me change it once again and ask you this variation:
There are five people, if three or more stand in a blender then nobody dies, if less than three stand in the blender then only them die, do you stand in the blender? I answered your variation please answer mine

>>43423883
Blue is the only gamble button she killed herself

>>43423903
yes, that is objectively what happened. that does not change that retarded women are a sizeable percentage of women

>>43423923
RIP bozos

Blue pushers be like “I would rather die than know I helped kill” and then turn around and pay their federal taxes LMFAOOOOOO

>>43423890
we do kinda know how ppl would vote though based on the wording of the question. like you worded the question in a way where it seems pretty obvious not to stand in the blender. but if you're given a question like the one in OP pic, then it's not so obvious not to stand in the blender and a lot of people statistically will stand in the blender.
so yeah in your scenario i wouldn't stand in the blender but if you phrased it in a different way like in OP pic then yeah i would stand in the blender

>>43423970
Thank you for answering, you're a red in your heart, I hope when it happens for real you won't thrown your life away, I love you anon, have the best day <3

blue voters are either trolls or have a death wish

>>43423883
It's fascinating how much mental gymnastics some people are ready to perform, labeling empathy as bad, because women are more empathetic on average. Y'all would jump from a bridge if women told you they themselves would never jump.
Like fuck yeah, in this scenario it's normal to want to save the others.

>>43424056
red voters are either cowards or have a genocidal tendency

>>43424086
>it's normal to want to save the others.
But you're not saving others. You are putting yourself in a death pact for no discernible reason and encouraging others to do the same. Its immoral as fuck.

>>43424122
>if you dont risk your death for no reason youre a coward
i see youre camp a

>>43424137
>no reason

>>43424137
>no reason
bruh