I assume that this question has already been asked over billion times by now. But I find it really intriguing, though.Trans women seem so much more prominent than trans men, not only in this board, but in general public debate as well. Why is that? I've seen articles reporting that MtFs are X times more common than FtMs, but never understood what causes this.Also, even among trans people, there's a stereotype of trans men often being fembrained and presenting more femininely, whereas trans women are less likely to present as their assigned gender, and when they do it's either because they're repressing or just boymoding.
female privilege is worth far more than male slave status
>>43421767Two big reasons. Because women are seen as more desireable. And because lots of mtf trannys were groomed by a porn addicted society that tolerated agp fetish as an actual identity we have to accept.
>>43421767Statistically they're not anymore. They're just more visible. It's easier to pass as a trans man and non-passing trans men are just seen as butch lesbians or tomboys.
>>43421767Men suffer from mental illness more than women
>>43421767anecdotal but in my 23 years ive met 3 ftms and the only mtf ive ever known is me
>>43421796Yeah, makes sense. I think it's so unfair that trans men are so passing compared to trans women, though...
Mtf>more common onlineFtm>more common irl
>>43421801I don't know... Most trans guys I've met were very deranged and mentally unstable.
>>43421774the truth everyone will keep ignoring >>43421767females are the gender aristocracy
>>43421767because we live in societies that idolize women, or a certain idea of what a woman is. it's that simple
>>43421895I'm shocked marginalized people have mental health issues
>>43423072oh so not because the female quality of life is far more superior delusional
>>43421868theyre likely more passing in part because you have been exposed to more mtfs and thus know what to look for. if less trans men had been stealth historically the tables might have been turned, with more people noticing tells.
>>43423370another factor is that ftm are likely to transition much earlier due to earlier onset of puberty and there likely being somewhat less social stigma associated with them
Statistically ftms are more common
>>43421796>4'9>Ruddy face>The world's worst beardPassing manly man
>>43423401>transition much earlierim not sure if this is borne out in any data ive seen. arguably ftms are more fucked in that regard as often by the time puberty is over only then will puberty blockers be offered. less social stigma absolutely though, or at least less media attacks visibly
>>43421767T feels worse then e
>>43421767MTFs are louder and more dominate than FTMs, and as much as they hate to hear it anywhere including this board, it is their pre-transition socialization doing the work for them.Also FTMs and nonbinary AFABs have a higher detransition rate than MTFs/nonbinary AMABs.Detrans AMABs typically still take hormone therapy or assume a feminine appearance post transition compared to detrans AFABs, who usually quit the hormone therapy and try to rebuild a new identity either as NB or female.
>>43423551not only is the average of transition much lower, but ftm are significantly more likely to be young(ish)shits.
>>43421767I’ve met way more ftms than mtfs irl. There are definitely more mtfs on here, but I assume that’s just because this is 4chan.
>>43423626All I take from this is that female privileges and feminine ideals are more desirable than male/masculine ones.We need to stop assuming that clothes and emotions make us one way or the other, it would make the alleged "superiority" of feminine or masculine energy to be arbitrary, which it already is to begin with.
>>43423630How many of them actually started medically transitioning at that age though, rather than just socially transitioning then
>>43423747most, there's no significant difference between groups in that regard, it's just that mtf tend to end up being forced to start later.
>>43423479This is the equivalent of the 6'4" gigahon, but even a beard means someone gets gendered male (and if pooners did their research they would learn to microneedle and take DHT)
>>43423630interesting, skimmed the paper thanks. wonder what will change in the next few decades after the moral panic wears off and there is some trans normalization + solidifying of treatment guidelines. ime (anecdotal im sorry) more mtfs i know experienced notable dysphoria (ie awareness of the fact their feelings were nonnormative) earlier, i wonder if that will continue to be the case in the future or if more understanding of dysphoria/signs/symptoms will increase visibility for ftms at earlier ages.
>>43423909>more mtfs i know experienced notable dysphoria (ie awareness of the fact their feelings were nonnormative) earlier,may be true (certianly true in my case), but i think the transmisogynist stigma does a lot to undo that.
>>43423853NTA but could I have your Discord tag to talk about something?
>>43423922for sure. basically only matters if you have libbed up parents and are a first worlder.
>>43421767It has to do with patriarchy. Women are more groomed into the societal idea of what a woman is than men are on average. Much of the female experience is also defined by the pain and discomfort of being a woman. So to an ftm it's far more normal to hate being a girl and have aspects of it not feel normal since many cis women feel that way too. One might assume that mtfs would never happen then under this idea since isn't being a man better? But most mtfs fall out of the social hierarchy of maleness and realize how unattainable it is for them and introspect more about alternatives to feeling better. And for those who do succeed to the top you become disillusioned with what you thought would make you whole but instead brings only despair. Basically, feelings of discomfort with one's gender in women is normalized as part of the female experience. And for men it's seen as because you just aren't manly enough so you get the failed male mtfs (most of them) and the macho overcompensating dudebro mtf who realize the futility of it once reaching the top. There are many mtfs trapped within the strata of the mid tier of male social heirarchy who believe they just gotta be better as dudes and most of those don't transition until they fall out from that framework or succeed in it and see the hollowness of it. But ftms are equally trapped along all stratas of female social hierarchy.
>>43421767irl it's more trans men statisticallybut like trans men either stealth or don't realistically transition most of the time
>>43424054>women most affected post >>43423657everyone is ignoring the truths because feminism is their new religion
>>43423962is it about the DHT thing?
>>43424199No. Other things.
>>43424238I feel weird about dropping discord but could I possibly have a more specific reason?
>>43424243Do you know if Blonde Boi still uses this board?
>>43424254On occasion. I chat with him on discord fairly regularly (when I first started using 4chan he kinda bullied me into giving him my info >.<)
>>43421767Strangely enough historically I feel like there are more stories of ftm. I think it does have to do with the ability to pass. We only had the medical science for mtf for maybe like, what 100 years, and its only been widely available for like half that time. And generally and history of mtf is typically with young boys (who have to eventually be men) or literal eunchs (which were considered non binary anyway). I also feel like dudes have been repressed and closeted for all of history so this sudden popularity is just the male social experimentation that wasn't available before.
>>43424274Could I have his tag? Starting to feel bad about derailing a thread here.
>>43424304I feel weirder about sharing someone else's info than my own but I can link this thread to him.
>>43424313Thanks
>>43424317He might be asleep rn but I sent him a link to the thread.
>>43424317He said he's still banned for the next 13 hours
>>43425311I should've just posted my tag in the first place. You or him can add me.ctf_turbine123
>>43425375Sending it his way
>>43421767>Why are MtFs more common than FtMs?Isn't it obvious?
>>43423072What kind of women?
>>43423346what? foids get periods, turbo cancer and other health issues all the time. their qol fucking sucks. unless you're referring to social life then yeah that's because women are idolized, literally what i said.
>>43421767they aren't unless u mean like in a trutrans way, because if we include future detransitioners ftms probably outnumber 4 to 1, if not it's probably balanced
>>43421767there is not real ftm. is all just grooming, mtf dysphoria is real though
