What's the deal with Zizzian aesthetics?Is it part of the ideology or some weird other stuff going on?None of them pass or are pretty yet they say trans femme. They've also been around for a decade and some of them have money and planning abilities. It's very weird none of them pass.Surely there must be some passing trans in rationalist circles? I almost went to a bay area meetup myself and am passing so it's weird there wouldn't be at least a few around to help them out.
>>43422746>Rationalist cult of honsRationalists are overwhelmingly confrontational polyamorous autistics. Those types rarely pass even if they have potential
>>43422746what reading worm does to a mf
>>43422793idk I know lots of fairly nd or aspy autists that are passing or even gigapassing. There seems to be something more with this group.I heard early Zyzz was anti-hrt and that could probably explain it
>>43422746It has something to do with a time traveling super AI from the future
>>43422961imagine joining a tranny cult that's literally fundamentally opposed to tranny medicine holy shit
>>43422746>>43422961is this related to the dead bodybuilder or do they just call themselves that
>>43422961Zyzz also had a lot of weird medical beliefs and additionally had strange theories about neurology. It would not be surprising if the cult saw HRT as some type of evil.
Anyone on here know them personally?
I feel no one knows. It's like a weird separate offshoot of trans. Not even most normietrans like picrel look like them
>>43422746it's literally a polycule of like 6 radical vegan trannieseven radical vegan cis women usually don't pass
>>43423219no its related to the character "the simurgh" from the web novel worm. The name is often shortened to ziz
>>43425733are you sure?simurgh is a mythological bird in persian mythology, but I assumed ziz was a reference to the mythological hebrew bird of the same nameeither way yeah it's totally unrelated to zyzz brah
>>43422746Found this:>hemispheric mind theory>single trans: one hemisphere is trans>double trans: both hemispheres are trans>single good: one hemisphere morally good>double good: both are goodSo a bit like DID with rationalist flavoring. "Two Spirit" or "Gender Fluid" is another way to say it. Weird plural stuff and then weird philosophical stuff on needing to socially but not physically transition as mind over matter/etc.They also put a lot of emphasis on "robey" aesthetics. Like very loose drapey stuff. This is an old school tranny cope to hide their bodies. Doesn't help with face tho >>43425661hey some radical vegan foids can be pretty hot. Not most but some maybe...
>>43425776yes. the writer of Worm has literally came out against the cult.https://www.reddit com/r/Parahumans/comments/1janb5n/til_that_a_woman_named_herself_after_the_simurgh/
>>43423298>>43422961ziz wasn't opposed to hrt, she just briefly believed transition would interfere with working on saving the world and used that to justify repressing, an idea which she later rejectedhttps://sinceriously.blog-mirror.com/intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/gwen included some discussion of homebrewing hrt in her slackmobile guidehttps://web.archive.org/web/20230201160307/https://everythingtosaveit.how/slackmobiles/you can in fact just go read the stuff these people wrote, ziz is sometimes hard to understand but gwen isn't and the claims of infohazards are greatly exaggerated
>>43426472ty for the insight/links!It is still also weird to me no surg and they seem anti-surg despite being able to afford it.I guess another take would be rationalism is anti-aesthetics, anti-visual, and can't appreciate beauty or something like that. Or isn't focused on it.And perhaps views pretty women as ditzy/not smart, and smart is the goal? So then these trans women try to look like nerdy/bookish/unkempt librarian women (mostly repping ftms like Ozzy was before he became passoid FTM) to fit in the subculture. Which of course sabotages their transition. There may also be an aspect where legit passoid would be sexually harassed/raped if they went to rationalist meetups and so have to avoid them as a result. Thus it's a selection effect for "can show up to rationalist meetings without getting SAed" although we would think there would be some passoids like aella (who is cis but pretty) who would show up anyways hmm
>>43426531>It is still also weird to me no surg and they seem anti-surg despite being able to afford it.ziz has some brief half-joking asides about being anti-anesthesia, and if i squint and tilt my head a bit i can come up with a justification based on her premises for actually being anti-anesthesia, or at least in the case of cosmetic surgeries. it's possible that was it. that said the thing that ultimately resulted in most of them ending up in jail was a dispute over rent so i don't actually think it was as easy for them to afford surgery as you're assuming, especially after the protest that first got them in trouble.>There may also be an aspect where legit passoid would be sexually harassed/raped if they went to rationalist meetups and so have to avoid them as a result. Thus it's a selection effect for "can show up to rationalist meetings without getting SAed" although we would think there would be some passoids like aella (who is cis but pretty) who would show up anyways hmmSA in the rationalist community was a big part of what motivated ziz & friends to oppose them, but it also wasn't universal enough to create a selection effect. gwen writes about it here:https://web.archive.org/web/20221230045903/https://everythingtosaveit.how/case-study-cfar/
>>43426601>SA in the rationalist community was a big part of what motivated ziz & friends to oppose themI mean if Zizz is getting SA'd imagine how someone like Zheanna (also kind of rationalism coded) would be treated. Seems risky to me. Then throw in that many passoids are aspy in a way that they'd run if sexually harassed which seems distinct from how Zizzians are aspy. You could almost say Zizzians are *more* Neurotypical in that way/better at socializing. The anesthesia point is very interesting and could honestly be most of it. But there are ways to do light work in office w/o anesthesia and the like. I.e. laser, nose work, even orchi, etc.
>>43422746Zyzzian aesthetics are better. RIP, legend
>>43426850>I mean if Zizz is getting SA'd imagine how someone like Zheanna (also kind of rationalism coded) would be treated.ziz never claimed she was SA'd by rationalists, just that she encountered a coverup (and later, that she was SA'd by cops in the aftermath of her protest)that said, some of the information she got about said coverup came from michael vassar, who later showed up in the epstein files as having visited the island and communicated with epstein on several occasionsso the specific things she says about specific people in her blog are sometimes false or framed in such a way as to be misleading, because she's getting them from one of the major abusers in the community who's trying to play her against other people. she later realizes that this guy is an evil fuck but i don't think she reexamined all her evidence about the situation with that taken into account, because she had other concerns
>>43427425Epstein really was everywhere wow
