I guess because god hates me and enjoys making me suffer, the single thing that I (a troon) care most about, and am most dysphoric about, is my voice. Honestly I obsess over my voice more than my physical appearance. So fun, since that's probably one of the hardest things to change...Like seriously, what do you think the percentage of MTFs with perfectly passing voices is? It can't be more than like 5%, right? I've heard VFS result, and they don't do what I want the surgery to do, which is increase my upper range. A lot of trans women don't really seem to care much about their voice as long as they look good, and so almost every troon I've ever met has that voice that really just sounds like an effeminate autistic man. Is it just a skill issue, or do they actually just not care? I want to be able to yell loudly without sounding like a man. I want to be able to sing like a cis woman, and have at least a fucking alto range instead of baritone. I want to be able to cough without my moid voice reactivating. I am so fucking sick of always having to talk at the upper range of my voice while not letting it sound strained. My trained voice is decent, but only for soft to medium loud talking. I don't wanna do a parlor trick, I want to just talk normally in my natural voice. tl;dr: i'm a dumbass for whom a passing voice matters more than anything else, and i fucking hate it.
>>43426943look up femlar/ Dr Thomas in Portland . its like the nuclear option VFS.
>>43426943does yeson voice not increase upper range? just asking I have no idea.
>>43426943Pooners will deny the fact that pass easier day and night while conveniently ignoring that their HRT actually changes their voice while mtfs have to deal with this shit
>>43426943Ethel Cain looks so creepy and gross
>>43427420I mean that's why he transitioned lol. Do you think he would get nearly this much attention as a weird looking loser male?
>>43427221big if true
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>>43427904they have a method, I think patented or something, but is not replicated anywhere else. Anyone know?
I know, it fucking suuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Training it is the worst thing ever. And you have to record it and listen to it or you don't actually know what it sounds like. So you've got to listen to the horrible sound inside your head and another horrible sound on a recording to know what you sound like to other people. Agh!
i have no idea how to train resonance, half the guides are hon tier useless shit that damage your voice, what do i even do
yeah i can see how that would be rough. i've just kinda gotten used to my voice just not sounding good for coughing or sneezing. the vocal range thing really does suck. i love singing but my range is so dogshit. i think it's partially because expanding that range requires relaxing your larynx and stuff and that's the opposite of what trannies do usually.>>43430532yeah i can't help you there i started voice training when swallow and hold was the standard method for gaining laryngeal muscle control
the Sumi method works, just takes a few thousand hours https://wiki.sumianvoice.com/wiki/pages/getting-started/
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>>43431371it’s weird but i was already kinda doing most of this stuff intuitively
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>>43426943>I worry about the one thing that van be vhanged via practiceQuite fortunate.
>>43432804Ok but that’s not really what i mean. i have trained to where I can sound cis if I’m just talking casually or on the phone (unsurprisingly), but that voice doesn’t work anymore if i have to yell across a room, or even just talking in a noisy environment. If I tried to be stealth, even if I passed at first that would immediately fall apart as soon as I need to be loud (pretty difficult to avoid this your entire life) and my voice fails, it’s over.I’m not aware of any good tutorials for yelling or screaming like a woman, and I kinda assumed that it’s just not possible for a baritone without VFS. My upper limit is my upper limit, you know? I can speak in the same pitch range as a cis woman, but when these women are loud their voices go even higher, and I just don’t see how I’d ever be able to hit those high pitches.
>>43426943https://voca.ro/12vqvCDkVjQAJust voice train more, sounds like you have not put in enough effort. It is like a hundred hours of practise before you even get to the starting line. From there it is another hundred before you get something that can even be considered realistically passing. Then you need to use it 100% full time for a year before you start to sound pleasant at best. Somewhere along the line you need to but in dozens of hours learning to sing. People will then tell you that you have a perfect woman voice, but you will still have neurosis.
>>43433401to be clear, it’s possible to yell and sneeze and cough and have it all sound like a cis woman, starting from a slightly low voice? I want to believe that, I’ve just never heard an example.
>>43426943>since that's probably one of the hardest things to changebut also one guaranteed to work thats entirely proportional to the effort you put in? kinda lucky in a way to care so much >I want to be able to cough without my moid voice reactivatingisnt that exactly what vfs is for?idk i really want that sultry radio voice right on the borderline of a lisp >>43433230>My upper limit is my upper limit, you know?volume or pitch? i think pitch is limited more than volume pretty sure volume is a matter of practice. like i dont see a reason why you cant train singing to get sustained resonance at higher volume at your desired pitch, as long as you are capable of hitting that pitch in the first place.
>>43427126I got VFS from The GOAT Dr Kim in Seoul
>>43434950Yeah I was talking about pitch mostly, which is obviously connected to volume since generally the louder you speak the higher your voice gets.
>>43434101Yes. Just never use your male voice again and eventually any semblance of it will go away. The worst that you will have is some vocal fry if you are tired, but that still won't read as "male". https://voca.ro/1lDweNXdrhWT
>>43435217Huh, yeah I guess I didn't realize it worked like that. I wish more people actually posted proof/examples but it is what it is.
ya voice training is literally impossible and despite the fact i do it every day and record myself i sound worse each time
highly unfortunate ethel pic
>>43436911Do it for 2 hours like every other day and see how you feel in 3 months.
>>43426943You're a man, man. You're just gonna have to learn to love yourself as a man, or spend the rest of your life being miserable over wanting to be someone you're not. Your call.
>>43437108why every other day
>>43437147you do know you're on the tranny board, right?
