>>43431266
stop being a religious conservative retard
your entire belief system was manufactured for you

>>43431266
>what did we as a society do to our socially awkward nerds?
Social contagion, porn addiction, failure as a man so trying to try again as a "girl" etc.

Sad to see.

>>43431266
So, to be clear, you detransitioned because you didn't like what hormone therapy was doing to you?

Or because you felt like you were some sort of fake tranny who was merely an imposter?

You get along with trans women because

You are one

>>43431266
Yeah you definitely gonna put yourself to punishment the second one of your lil friends know your true colors lol

>>43431518
i never really felt a pressing need for hrt so i only transitioned and detransitioned socially
also because i can't lie to myself and "gender identity" is a nebulous unfalsifiable concept
stop grooming autistic people with your metaphysically indefensible social contagion labels

>>43431518
>You get along with trans women because
>You are one
if you're white and grow up in the hood you'll get along with niggers more than middle class whites
still doesn't make you a nigger

>>43431561
Human beings are born with a psychological gender that is male or female, or occasionally somewhere inbetween. Trans women have the female one, trans men have the male one. One such effect of having this brain structure is that you have a much easier time making friends with women than men. That includes trans women.

If it makes you feel better, you could try HRT purely for the chemical benefits, and continue to be a cis male. Ask your friends about it.

>>43431561
>”trans”
>didn’t ever start hrt
>becomes right wing detrans schizo who believes all other trans people are mentally ill brainwashed commies
every. single. time.

>>43431612
>gender is a social construct
>you're born with a gender in your brain
pick one
i literally don't have biological female friends btw
i actually like my body, it just so happens that i'm a nerd and a lot of nerds are trannies and most trannies are purity spiral wokescold leftists that hate diversity of viewpoints

>>43431266
When you read/watch transphobic things that explain “why people are trans”, do you relate to it? (For example, do you think things like, “this is why I thought I was trans”.)
Also, you mention that you weren’t actually dysphoric. What are your thoughts on gender dysphoria?

>>43431266
>why are all the cool people willing to listen to extremely niche nerd ass infodumps and bond over it and accept me as autistic and let me vent to them trans?
it's because trannies are the only people with any shred of humanity and sovl left

>>43431266
>they

>>43431656
gender dysphoria is real but should be treated with actual psychotherapy, like we do with other dysphorias (we teach rejection sensitive people that rejection is just a part of life instead of mandating governments and employers never to reject them etc)
i thought i was trans because i wanted to dissociate from irl trauma, had vaguely dysphoric feelings about my self-worth, but couldn't understand at the time it was really about autism and dysphoria didn't necessarily have to be specifically gender dysphoria

>>43431266
It's doing this to every community, every institute, and it has nothing to do with trans anything. The fact that it's *trans* that is the rallying point is arbitrary, the mechanism is the same.

The point is making an outlandish virtue signal. Something so patently absurd and unintuitive that you must be a very good person indeed for believing it, and anyone who doesn't believe it must not be as good and enlightened as you.

>>43431266
retard

>>43431679
>we should treat with dysphoria with the thing that has been demonstrated to not actually work
retard

>>43431686
>Something so patently absurd and unintuitive that you must be a very good person indeed for believing it, and anyone who doesn't believe it must not be as good and enlightened as you.

This. Demonic libs are doing it to distract us from the fact that God sent his only begotten Son to die for our sins, so that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life

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>>43431709
hrt doesn't actually work. it sets you up for an unattainable goal, so you know ywnbaw but instead of conceding that with the help of therapy you create more and more coping mechanisms because of sunk costs
picrel and read the finnish study (and https://www.genderclinicnews.com/p/transition-blues?triedRedirect=true for responses to criticism of said study)

>>43431679
This. GD is a form of BIID, our current "treatment" for it is a barbaric malpractice and any doctor willingly practicing "gender medicine" today will find themselves in some very hot water indeed come tomorrow.

>>43431744
Exactly, it mirrors chistcuck devotions.

>>43431756
I read this study when it came out and it's literally just propaganda.

>When we refer trannies to psychiatrists they get more psychiatric referrals
>Trannies who aren't given HRT because we make them wait several years are somehow "undergoing gender reassignment"
>Author is a literal hate group member

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>>43431686
>the less it corresponded to reality the better

>>43431679
>should be treated with actual psychotherapy
Instead of medical transition, or in addition to/as another available option?

>>43431791
Oh hey it's kulturbolshewismus again

conservatards are the lowest life form

>>43431786
read the response
>>Author is a literal hate group member
this is a genetic fallacy btw
>>43431793
instead of. do no harm. that includes "gender-affirming" mutilation

>>43431806
>genetic fallacy
That's a fallacy fallacy you troglodyte

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>>43431805
I see you're experiencing demoralization.

>>43431813
1. most predictable reply ever
2. go back to plebbit
3. if we're talking conflict of interest, lgbt orgs literally sponsor studies in droves and a lot of them are questionable (read the cass review)

>>43431840
You do know that "true information" is verifiable, concrete evidence and not the assertions of an ideologue, right?

>>43431854
nothing is ever verifiable because of the problem of induction
read philosophy of science 101

>>43431849
I have read the Cass Review and it's criticisms are just "well the evidence we have shows that it's beneficial but there's not enough of it" which is true for most pediatric care in general.

It also does some really weird things like cite opinion pieces and also makes the assertion that "well since most people on puberty blockers go on to start HRT, it means they don't actually do anything" and uses that to advocate against puberty blockers, when the logical conclusion would be to instead let patients start HRT sooner, with HRT being the cheaper, lower risk, more effective treatment.

>>43431861
Except we can weigh concrete evidence against non-evidenced assertions to inform probability estimates.

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Yeah OP

>came out to parents/friends for the first time in 2009
>detransed in 2011
>got on HRT in 2022 (31 years old now)

I’m currently wrestling with a sort of reverse situation to yours… I detransed because I thought I didn’t need gender ideology and that I’d be a hon forever anyway. One day, after years and years of trying to be a normal male, working manual labor jobs, doing everything I could to stay male i just fucking broke.

Anyway
>trannysition was going well for a bit
>until Trump got reelected,
>spiraled because I know what’s coming down the pipeline for us, conversion therapy being the best case scenario…
>my brain and heart just shattered
>been kind of unstable and schizo ever since
>started browsing 4chan to keep an eye on things politically
>passively absorb anti trans hate for months
>slowly I don’t even believe in being trans anymore, basically view myself as a man on HRT
>still let people call me she/her but feel like a fraud
>start boymoding full time
>despite boymoding still malefail mostly
>lose job and the most important relationship I’ve ever had
>got a landscaping job because I couldn’t find anything else
>body slowly masculinizing

I hate myself so fucking much. This is not the life I wanted.

TLDR I socially detransed because I got so scared of the anti-trans wave and started identifying with chud ideology. I don’t know what to do. I miss when I was softer and kinder. Now I’m stuck with this chud dark passenger in my head 24/7 that won’t let me relax and I wish for death every night.

>>43431756
HRT only works if you have the right diet/lifestyle/bmi for long enough

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>>43431890
Do what you can to survive and make peace with your inner chud.

>>43431854
>wats empirical meen?
They aren't sending their best.

>>43431914
assuming "verifiable = true" was literally why neopositivism collapsed on itself by the middle of the 20th century

>>43431900
I try every day.

I mean I honestly believe that male/female heterosexual reproduction and health is vital to the continuation of our world and do everything I can to defer to cis women and make sure that I’m not standing in the way of the future. I just don’t believe we need eugenic policy to get there. But there is something odd about the sheer amount of trans and homosexual people these days, it feels oversaturated, especially with so few young people having families or kids…

>>43431898
or it's because one of the pathologies of autism (which is actually several different conditions that are given the same label) is endocrine anomalies in utero.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9916422/

This is also corresponds with some of different pathologies of gender dysphoria, though this gets into Powers honscience.

>>43431898
even before 2020 algorithms autistic people were always more "gender intrigued", but most of those were born off tumblr

>>43431266
Op, take all that pseud trash you’ve been reading and listening to and throw it in the garbage. Go be friends with the tranners and geek out over the dumb innocent shit you like info dumping about. You don’t need to agree with all of their political takes, but don’t miss out on real connections over ideological bullshit

>>43431945
>which is actually several different conditions that are given the same label
so is "trans" tbhon *laughs in blanchard*

>>43431943
The funny thing is that it's kind of paradoxical to complain about gay people not having kids, because we know that there's a genetic factor in queerness.

>>43431958
Looking at Blanchard for dissecting the various different pathologies of transsexuality is like looking at a fried egg to try and understand the insides of a chicken. His HSTS/AGP dichotomy is frankly far too simplified, and ex post facto research focused on sexual orientation cannot properly dissect the actual root causes of transsexuality in natal males.

>>43431957
i try to be extremely compassionate with them and also steer the discussion away from political/queer shit. i just dislike that our culture is so polarized people are purity spiraling each other. at the end of the day, if they like me now, it's their loss if their closed minded ideology overrides the rest of their feelings. people used to be friends all over the political spectrum before the PC bullshit

>>43431679
>actual psychotherapy
aka gaslighting and chemical lobotomy?
The development of HRT broke the pandora box, and deluding yourself about muh chromosoms, or muh fertility won't change the fact that female/male characteristics are able to be developed with a 5 dollar chemical from China.
The ""body positive"" fatties broke the second they got Ozempic. Any kind of an "acceptance" movement is cope for unavailability of solving the problem and should not be kept after the solution is found

>>43431770
Funnily enough, BIID doesn't get solved with ""psychotherapy"", as it usually makes people spiral even worse geg.

>>43431806
>muh heccin fallacy
You've cherrypicked a part of the response to exclude genuine, heavy criticism.
>>43431849
You're using a red herring here to divert people from the fact that this study is one of the SEGM-created pseudoarticles that either work as a "letter" or "review of evidence" (aka take actual studies, and slap a "BAD" label on them because there wasn't a lot of people, the "bias meter" (also in part relying on sample size) was high, or because the study wasn't in English) [Cass review is a study of that type] or make statistical drivel not measuring anything, but with naming convincing enough to be molded into political propaganda [Sapir ramblings as well as the finnish ""study"" mentioned]

>>43431898
>Forest
Anon, you're using ramblings of a BPD ex-theyfab (mistakenly diagnosed as an autist, common occurence) extrapolating it being retarded on every autistic person ever.

>>43431266
your worldview only exists to distract people from climate change all your favourite political figures get all their money from the oil lobby and various other things that are killing the planet and you are allowing it to happen by falling for the worlds most obvious psyop, take the estrogen nona

>>43431806
>instead of
Is there a type of psychotherapy currently available that has been proven to successfully help people who aren’t on HRT cope with GD?

>>43432122
Catholicism has stood unshaken for 2000 years against all odds
Christ (and not any earthly political figure) is King
the modern conception of trans was made up by hirschfeld 100 years ago and is just a rehashing of gnosticism

>>43432167
yes you are allowed to believe in christ and christianity but anti trans rhetoric is entirely culture war bullshit to distract you from real problems like stagnant wages decreasing living conditions and the planet being destroyed, 80% of publishers that push out anti trans publications receives oil lobby money, and same goes to conservative organizations. please do actual research about things before blindly believing in them because they are specifically tailored and intended to whip you into a frenzy so you get tunnel vision and ignore how everything is worse now

>>43431266
HRT is a nootropic. Thats why trans people have bigger IQs and cis people are transphobic cos they know they are being IQmogged

>>43432252
i believe we should dissolve the fed, return to the gold standard, break up monopolies, stop importing foreigners, maintain tariffs, and ban interest taking on all loans. that's how you actually get things done with living conditions and the common good
if climate change is such a big issue the free market and supply/demand will adapt and solve it by itself over time
i wouldn't care about trannies if they hadn't groomed me into their cult as a teen with autism

>>43432318
never heard of market failures?

>>43432318
>if climate change is such a big issue the free market and supply/demand will adapt and solve it by itself over time
truly deranged belief

>>43432318
>i wouldn't care about trannies if they hadn't groomed me into their cult as a teen with autism
Transgender people are not a cult. However, some online s communities can operate like cults and it still sounds like something very wrong happened here. I’m genuinely sorry that happened to you. What steps did you take to transition?

>>43432167
>unshaken
your dead jew cult gets shifted every time a political change is made

>>43432574
Christ is truly risen. True Catholic teaching cannot change.
The Deposit of Faith, and thus Catholic doctrine, was fixed in 100 A.D. with the death of St. John. The Church has no power to change it; rather, its mission is to preserve it.

>>43432491
it was just social and i came out to people in my class, but i was already terminally online so even pronouns on discord was kinda big
i think when a bullied autistic person feels alienated from their own self they should get support with their sensory processing differences in mind, and when tranners online try to hijack that and push them to egg-crack as though gender dysphoria could be the only explanation that's identical to grooming someone into a cult in my view
plus, the prospect of a community with other ostracized people is way too enticing to someone who is extremely socially inept irl
>>43431898
this is completely in point

>>43432602
I mean yeah, if you just ignore all of history post-100 A.D.

There are literally people who study the development of Catholic doctrine, because it has and does change over time, regardless of whatever bullshit you have convinced yourself of. It's very unremarkable in that fact, following the pattern of literally every other fake-ass religion.

>>43433361
>The expressions “living tradition,” “living Magisterium,” “hermeneutic of continuity,” and “development of doctrine,” properly understood, can only mean that a greater clarity or precision is given to the same changeless content of divine revelation over time. Such new insights can never contradict what the Church has previously and definitively proposed, because Christ promised that the Holy Spirit would not reveal anything new, but only remind the disciples of what He told them (see Jn 14:26).

>>43432167
>Catholicism has stood unshaken for 2000 years against all odds
Even outside of the other anon talking to you about changes in doctrine, the Great Schism and the Protestant Reformation would like a word with you.

>>43433614
disciplinary/pastoral changes can happen, yes, but they ultimately do not change dogma

>>43432050
I have this theory, I call it "Cluster-B Pseudo-Autism".

Narcissists, sociopaths, and to a lesser extent BPDemons, have no intuitive understanding of real feelings, but they can get very good at faking it by observing normies. If they become isolated from the general population, however, by their lack of empathy allowing them greater success in accumulating wealth or simply because everyone around them has finally figured out what they are, they have no incentive to ape the normies, so they often appear autistic. It's the same reason Musk was misdiagnosed and why Trump is such a disgusting manchild.

>>43433300
>i think when a bullied autistic person feels alienated from their own self they should get support with their sensory processing differences in mind
I fully agree!
>just social
I’m glad you didn’t pursue any changes to your body that you regret. Did you suffer for it socially from your peers or family at all? Did you have a trans social circle online, or was it that you hung around /tttt/, trans subreddits, bigger trans support discords, etc.?

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>why are all the cool people willing to listen to extremely niche nerd ass infodumps and bond over it and accept me as autistic and let me vent to them trans?
Maybe trans people are cool?

>>43433920
yeah some trans discords, a lot of reddit, also twitch streamers and speedrunning communities
i actually only started hanging out on tttt after detransing, before i was afraid of the reddit trans boogeyman lol

>>43433929
saber deserved better...

>>43431561
nigga if ur detrans gtf off the board and go a "normal" straight "guy" alr. you'll get plenty of the attention u crave so bad on Twitter from middle aged female pensioners

>>43433956
Aside from making you feel like you could be trans, which I’m sure was a distressing time, did anyone from those spaces ever harm you?

>>43434082
>straight
im ace

>>43431282
incredibly ironic that a tranny would say this

>>43431266
most self-aware faketroon

>>43434584
my belief system is beyond your understanding

>>43431518
>You get along with trans women because you are one
idgaf about OP's issues this is just a shit take

>>43431266
unstupid yourself you fucking moron. if you could learn to love then learn to hate a group of people you aren't even a part of, being just a cis man, you can learn to love and accept them again. fucking idiot.

>>43435318
>hate
never did. i have the utmost compassion for people suffering from gender dysphoria and i love them as friends. i just don't think they're actually women

>>43431266
terf ideology is actually retarded and doesnt make sense though. its not convincing in the slightest

>>43435367
but it never stops there. if they aren't women then why let them even take estrogen? you hear it's what they want, they willingly sacrifice their safety for their transitions, why not take that away from them? it's saving them, of course, then come cultural enforced then state enforced detransitions, and all of those friends that you like start dropping like flies because they are forced into lives they know will kill them. you use them for the comfort of being with people who get you and help fuel the pyre for their burning. walsh wants gender ideology or any deviance from his entirely arbitrary binary eradicated. all of your friends dead. how could you say you are their friends? you're no different than the common chaser

>>43431266
>letting a hate fueled belief control you
Enjoy a life of perpetual cognitive dissonance. Also fuck you for taking the most compassion filled text and walking away from it filled with hate. Christ is a figure that constantly and consistently lifts the lowest of society up and treats them as righteous, while disliking those at the top who hate upon the lowest. You are literally what he would've despised because instead of compassion you look at those below you with hate and disgust.

>>43435489
the binary is a natural biological fact
gender ideology is pretty much trivialist metaphysics that denies objective reality
also there's no salvation outside of the church, so if i want my friends to be saved, i want them to become catholic and i pray for their conversion and detachment from mortal sin
>>43435492
thinking someone is in error doesn't mean hating them

>>43435569
I'm sorry but I've seen the content the daily wire puts out as well as terf lit and you absolutely cannot tell me that path of thinking doesn't lead directly towards things like forced detransition and forced conversion, things that completely destroy the lives of trans people. You are not showing compassion to force someone into a situation of intense misery.

>>43435606
>things like forced detransition and forced conversion
show me where walsh or knowles advocated for that
"eradicated from public life" just means the equivalent of denazification or mccarthyism. obviously, neo-nazis and commies are still around even after those. or consider the russia propaganda ban, where even prominent tranners are still around as long as they don't push the ideology/metaphysics publicly

>>43431266
simply stop choosing to be a conservative you fucking mong

>>43435676
This is cognitive dissonance. Please actually sit with your stances for more than half a minute.

>>43435676
It's literally kulturbolshewismus again.
>We must eradicate this cultural force that we vaguely define as being held by this demographic!
Quick question, if it's defined by being held by a demographic, then what's the only way to eradicate it?

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>>43431561
>Gender identity is nebulous and unfalsifiable
Not every tranny believes in gender identity, it was never an idea that really made sense to me for one.
>Social contagion
Speaking of unfalsifiable things, why does social contagion theory appeal to you? Isn't everything a social contagion?

>>43434584
Who manufactured our beliefs, then?

>>43435676
Michael "We must eradicate transgenderism" Knowles?
>"eradicated from public life" just means the equivalent of denazification or mccarthyism
It does not, and you know that. There's a reason we made those terms, and didn't just call it "eradication of nazis from public life".
>consider the russia propaganda ban, where even prominent tranners are still around as long as they don't push the ideology/metaphysics publicly
Russia is an AIDS infested shithole with no actual governmental power. The "prominent tranners" there are whores/OF shills.

>>43432033
The fact that OP never responded to this shows xe doesn't want an actual discussion on xer beliefs

>>43435702
leftism goes against everything i stand for. again, i like chatting with the tranners on hyperfixations and mental health despite knowing they're far left. we just don't discuss politics or trans issues, and it'll be sad if they freak out when they find out i'm right wing, but they already like me a lot so that's unlikely and it would be their loss anyway. i'm open to setting boundaries

>>43431266
>trannies are all hypocritical commies
The US is such a fucked up place. No real diversity no matter how much burgers yap about it.
The rest of the world has conservative trannies in their parliament and socially-conservative commies (think Slavoj Zizek).
I'm a tranny in a far-right party in continental Europe.
Also, it's purely American for TERFs to be tolerated on the right. In Europe (of course, shithole UK not included) TERFs are correctly seen as far-left misandrists and not taken seriously anywhere, even on the mainstream Left.

>>43435841
John Money. Also agitprop from an entire pseudo-scientific activist movement that infests current year social sciences.

>>43437322
hmmmm it was John Money who gave me gender dysphoria as a child and whispered in my ear to try to kill myself because my body was wrong

wait a minute I'd never even heard of trannies when that happened

>>43437463
Nah you got groomed and brainwashed instead. I'm guessing from discord, reddit, or your public school peers and/or teachers. For many it is also just a straight up fetish, especially for those that become trannies later in life.

>>43437507
>For many it is also just a straight up fetish
nta but so fucking what?

>>43437507
Nope! Didn't have a discord until I went to college. Didn't interact with anyone remotely trans until senior year of high school.

Also went to a religious private school lmao.

>>43437516
Not my fetish so I find it gross, but at least we're being honest and I can respect that at least. Just don't push it on kids.

>>43431561
>"gender identity" is a nebulous unfalsifiable concept
yep i agree. i never "felt like a woman" i was just myself. i wanted to look like a woman though so i started hrt and got surgery.
so if you don't want that then there's no need to do any of that!

>>43437522
Social conditioning can happen at any age. Also what does it matter if you went to a private religious school and still met a tranny. Doesn't seem like you were properly insulated from the idea at all.

>>43437545
Okay well I tried to kill myself when I was in middle school and had never even heard about the idea of being trans. I knew about intersex people and gay people but that's it.

And I started having thoughts about having supposed to be born a girl or secretly being born intersex years prior to that.

>>43437558
yeah ok bud. I'm sure playing pretend is totally going to fix that forever right? The thing is that for this to work you need everyone else to play pretend with you and that's what I have a problem with.

>>43437576
I've literally never asked anyone irl to call me a woman. In fact, I regularly tell them not to because I hate myself and have issues.

I just take hormones and people call me whatever they want to.

So, wanna keep moving those goalposts or what?

>>43431756
Hrt did help me though, I’m much more muscular, don’t get periods anymore, have a bigger clit which makes my orgasms stronger, and stabilized my mood, I would totally be blasting test even if I was a cisfoid.

>>43437621
Stop ruminating on your belief that you should have been born a woman and learn to accept what you were born as. Or are your feelings of self-hatred separate from your GD?

Is it bigoted if I kinda write off someone’s opinions about literally everything if they mention being a Christian?

>>43437690
Swap Christian for transgender and if you think that's bigoted then you have your answer.

>>43437695
I don’t think that’s the same desu.

>>43437704
I mean both are based on unfalsifiable belief systems.

>>43431266
>>detransition
>>43431561
>i never really felt a pressing need for hrt so i only transitioned and detransitioned socially
>also because i can't lie to myself and "gender identity" is a nebulous unfalsifiable concept
>stop grooming autistic people with your metaphysically indefensible social contagion labels
>>43431679
>i thought i was trans because i wanted to dissociate from irl trauma, had vaguely dysphoric feelings about my self-worth, but couldn't understand at the time it was really about autism
sounds like you replaced one "nebulous unfalsifiable metaphysically indefensibe social contagian label" with another (autism).
btw there have been trans people forever but autism was invented less than 100 years ago.
autism is a symptom cluster with no treatment. gender dysphoria actually has a treatment. your whole thread here is because your resistance to it (intellectualization, which you call autism) is failing. does it hurt for someone to erase your identity as an autist? because that's what you have done for years by being transphobic.

>>43437707
Sorry scratch that. Transgenderism is literally falsifiable through physical observation

>>43437707
Eh, I don’t see it.

>>43437683
Oh the self hatred is largely separate from GD but they interface weirdly.

There's not much I can do to actually get rid of GD because it's deeply physical in nature, not social. Like I've had a phantom vagina since elementary school and I tried killing myself because of how my shoulders and ribs made me feel monstrously large and I hated it and felt like I was worthless and would never find happiness. Then after that things got way worse and I started getting horribly dysphoric over my face as it began to masculinize and then my hands and feet and I was suicidally depressed until I was put on a dose of SSRIs that slowly began killing me and have now permanently fucked up my heart.

So, uh, yeah.

>>43437728
>Oh the self hatred is largely separate from GD but they interface weirdly.

My GD doesn’t interface with self hatred at all, it is purely physical. I don’t hate myself for having traits that make me dysphoric, and don’t feel any worthlessness from it. What I do feel is a deep frustration and sadness about what could have been.

>>43437728
So I guess the point is that "transitioning" or whatever is not going to solve the actual problem which I am deducing based on my armchair psychology degree that you are highly neurotic and you ruminate way too much on things you have literally no control over. Probably best to see a real psychologist if you haven't already.

>>43437771
Well the hatred stems from having just suffered through it pointlessly when I could have done more to stop it from getting worse.

>>43437545
If all it takes for someone to be “socially conditioned” into trooning is to meet a tranny or hear about one, is it really conditioning?

>>43437788
>You see it's because it's a social contagion!!!
these people are generally incapable of critical thought unfortunately
>>43437781
gee did you ever consider that I did that? hell I saw a psychologist when I was like 7 or so because of ADHD and being "wicked smaht"

>>43437782
I understand the feeling of regret, and can empathize with that, but there is no point in hating your present self for something that your past self did or did not do. You have grown and changed as a person, and your only options are to continue wallowing in self hate, or to learn from your mistakes and keep bettering yourself.

>>43437800
Ok well, clearly they failed you so my only advice is if you start going down the rabbit hole of negative thoughts then just stop thinking about them and force yourself to think about something else.

>>43437828
yeah that doesn't work. Did that for years and just ended up a walking corpse whose only purpose in life was to hope my younger brother got to grow up with an actual life ahead of him.

>>43437814
Unfortunately, bonepill.

>>43431266
>>43431561
>"""detransitioned"""
>never actually transitioned in the first place
Many such cases, it's funny how I was le evil right wing transmed truscum for calling your ilk fakers a couple years ago. Now I'm apparently a leftist for still thinking the exact same thing I did back then.
"trans ideology" is a spook btw, so is "gender identity"
>>43437322
transsexuals were already around before Money, and his "socially constructed gender" theory directly contradicts the existence of people born with GD
>>43432033
>The development of HRT broke the pandora box, and deluding yourself about muh chromosoms, or muh fertility won't change the fact that female/male characteristics are able to be developed with a 5 dollar chemical from China.
>The ""body positive"" fatties broke the second they got Ozempic. Any kind of an "acceptance" movement is cope for unavailability of solving the problem and should not be kept after the solution is found
TRVKE

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>>43431266
Idc about normal political disagreements but I would be pretty disturbed if people who I thought were my friends wanted the medication that makes my life not living hell anymore taken away.
Also I get if you wanted to be a nazi for the cool vibes or something but imagine unironically being a male terf, that's extremely cucked

>>43437836
>Unfortunately, bonepill.
How is hating yourself about this productive or logical in any way? Its like if a person born without legs hated themselves for not having legs.

>>43438029
yeah but it's more like if they let their legs get slowly hacked away over several years because they were too afraid to speak up any louder about them

And also we live in a world where people without legs are pitied rather than hated

>>43438051
Hating yourself for that would still be unproductive and useless though. Self-pity is never the answer. Why hate a version of you that no longer exists and cannot change in response to the hate of present you? I have made mistakes in my life in the past that hurt my future self, but I do not hate my past self or any of my selves for them, I only perceive those mistakes as data to learn from so I do not make the mistakes again.

>>43437717
>btw there have been trans people forever but autism was invented less than 100 years ago.
btw there has been autism forever but trans people were invented less than 100 years ago (think hirschfeld, kinsey, john money, butler).

>>43438021
>imagine unironically being a male terf
i'm a pro-patriarchy traditionalist btw, terfs just write a lot more stuff on trannies

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>>43439704
>coming up with a new name for a phenomena means you invented it

>>43439770
It genuinely thinks like this btw
Its christian, after all

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>>43431266
>detransed to avoid and distance myself from trannies but fate brought me to trannies just as my own tranny thoughts subsided

i ended up trying to transition and then going off e and cutting my hair off for a variety of reasons lmfao

i dont even know what i am anymore

i also was thinking about how people in near-death experiences return to a light or something and i was like wow after all the pain of jealousy from all the things ive seen on this board and having my dreams crushed you just merge with a light and lose your individuality or turn into a windows screensaver. i hate human life so much

i think learning that transgender people exist just damaged me much more than i ever needed to be desu

i went from trans at 12-13 to in denial from 13-20 and thought i could never pass anyway and then decided i wanna try and now im here.
life is so exhausting

>>43440030
>i think learning that transgender people exist just damaged me much more than i ever needed to be desu
same. i wish i never learned about queer shit. my life quality would've been infinitely better

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>>43431266
>>>detransition because never actually was dysphoric and was just trying to fit in with other neurodivergent weirdos, also because trannies are all hypocritical commies
>>become christian conservative
I can tell you're an intellectual and make sound decisions based on logic and reason

>>43439732
terf ideology is inherently derived from the demonization of males as inherently evil monsters and the idolization of females as pure innocent victims, all of their ideas are based around that framework

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>>43440063
it has been such a rollercoaster for me.
i was hyper feminine and 100% saw myself as a girl at age 12-13, then i got attacked by a bunch of my online friend group and moved to a different side of twitter and stopped identifying as trans. i even had a chance to get on hrt at that age because i was in therapy for other stuff but i was scared and refused when she asked.
ironically i still knew i was bi and sexted men sometimes when i was a teenager and i also definitely fantasized about men sometimes and had a crush on one of my male friends. i just thought of myself as a feminine bi boy i guess. i also thought i could never pass cause i didnt know about plucking facial hair.
im so exhausted i honestly dont even wanna write. none of this matters. if i could choose my appearance it would be like pre-surgery Jennie Kim or one of the girls from the album cover of this Japanese band called dream.

i also am deeply envious of trans women who get to transition and become happy from it.
honestly my problems have a deeper root than gender identity its my fucked up view of reality that developed from severe religious trauma. my personality is basically broken
i also am really mentally ill and am like forced to be aware of the subtle connections between seemingly random things and i cant make it stop.

>>43431266
why is every "detransitioner" is so so retarded

>>43435569
>gender ideology is pretty much trivialist metaphysics that denies objective reality
this statement is profoundly non-christian though, like this is objectively opposed to christian theology. you just want something vaguely right wing and le conservative to attach to. maybe try the protestant church. it's so obvious when people "like" catholic shit only because its le heckin based trad

>>43435606
this. anon is larping himself to believe itll end at madagascar

>>43435569
protestant nonsense

>>43440137
stop deluding yourself into thinking terfs are only radical feminists in the sense that they are diametrically opposed to feminism

>>43440165
>like this is objectively opposed to christian theology
which isn't trivialist, as there are clearly truths and heresies. meanwhile the moment you introduce "he/him lesbians" into the picture, the explosion principle kicks in, and thus literally everything becomes true and false at the same time in your logical system

>>43440199
“The Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. [...]
Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.”
>Council of Vatican II, Lumen Gentium, 14; Decree Ad Gentes (December 7, 1965), 7.

>>43440226
are you fucking schizophrenic? everyone in the thread is trying to help you from blowing up your own life like this in the name of an ideal that doesn't exist and you only make your posts more incoherent and absurd to compensate

you are using christianity as an outlet for your vain insecurities

>>43440286
>an ideal that doesn't exist
yep that's trannies (ywnbaw)
the existence of God can be demonstrated by reason from first principles

>>43440300
oh my fucking god take a literacy class you have fourth grade reading skills

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>>43437621
ywabaw

>>43440286
>you are using christianity as an outlet for your vain insecurities
You are so blinded by Marxian materialist "false consciousness" assumptions you fail to understand that some people are not copers or hedonists but genuinely seek the transcendent True, Good, and Beautiful.

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>>43440155
why are you so hostile to other peoples' lived experiences if they don't fit your preconceived notions

>>43431266
Bbgirl there are more critiques you could pull then just the mainstream opp. If you hate leftists/commies you could try post-left critique. If you hate "trans ideology" then surprise you actually hate nonbinary ideology and can pull from transexual critiqued

>>43440313
no :(

>>43439704
btw there has never been retardation like this before you

>op hates trans people for their autistic pet ideology that explains the world without needing pesky neuance
>Op loves her own autistic pet ideology that explains the world without needing pesky neuance
Hmm yeah i wonder why yall vibe youre soo different from eachother

>>43431266
What's wrong with being transgender in a religious sense?
The Bible is full of rule breakers and sinners who still get God's blessings.

Several men had multiple wives
David was a murderer and adulterer who still made the line that made the messiah

I'm not saying you should be a full degenerate, but I don't see what the big deal is if you're transgender and still honor God.

(I don't believe in a lot of gender stuff and think for most of the population, male/female identifiers work just fine, but I also believe there's a difference between what you are and who you are)

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>>43431561
>plays pretend woman in public
>no scars, wounds, or hrt induced changes
>gets mad and guilty anyways
holy fucking shit youre such a loser. you DIDNT transition you crossdressed you retard. its your own fault you decided to act like a clown. id have some sympathy if your dick fell off or whatever. hope you rep and jon50

>>43441739
orthodox soviet dialectical materialism was the peak of leftism and all the post stuff only enshittified it further
changing your appearance doesn't metaphysically change your sex. a change in accidents cannot lead to a change in substance. read some aristotle

>>43442127
i have no tranny thoughts (i only changed my pronouns to fit in) and nothing distressing whatsoever regarding my gender, just tranny friends. what's there to rep?

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>>43442143
i dont care if its gender or not youre clearly ill and not working through something. im just saying i hope life catches up to you. im saying this as a sigma male nb detrans with epic boobs who detransitioned: your path seems really, really temporary and like youre putting on another outfit

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>>43441899
>t. tradcath
TL;DR It amounts to Gnosticism.
>This error of gender ideology or gender theory denies the reality of the two sexes and replaces it with unlimited private choice, claiming that one’s inner thoughts and feelings or merely social and educational conditioning constitute the “gender” of the “true self” — a kind of Gnostic and ultimately Satanic dualism that must be rejected.
Transitioning is never morally permissible, not even for treating gender dysphoria. See picrel.
>Several men had multiple wives
Different covenant. God tolerated this out of human weakness until Christ's coming.
>David was a murderer and adulterer who still made the line that made the messiah
David was also contrite. As long as you don't detransition, you do not have any kind of contrition.

>>43442176
>noow age prooaganda
Dead jew cultists nevet beating the sheep allegations

>>43442139
>the retard will claim any biological change as change in appearance because in order to acknowledge reality it'd need to know biology

>>43437621
nta
>I've literally never asked anyone irl to call me a woman. In fact, I regularly tell them not to
>I just take hormones and people call me whatever they want to
Based. This attitude saved me a lot of trouble. I'll always be grateful to the old tranny who taught me this.
Ironically, I've been gendered female a lot more, not less, since I stopped insisting. Turns out people clock insecurity more than anything else.
>because I hate myself and have issues.
Sorry to read that nona. I hope you slowly get better and learn to accept yourself. Hugs.

>>43442202
>the retard doesn't understand the distinction of substance and accident because they don't teach proper philosophy in K12
you can change accidental properties, but you can't change your male essence. if any of these bodily changes magically made you a woman you wouldn't have to dilate the wound between your legs for the rest of your life

>>43431561
If you didnt start HRT you didn't start transitioning and therefore could never have detransed.

>>43442219
nta
>you wouldn't have to dilate the wound between your legs for the rest of your life
mfw I haven't dilated in years.
you really need to upgrade your talking points, guys.

>>43431266
I myself thought as transgender women as a personal identity, not some mass suicide cult, religion money preaching cult, and plastic surgery cult.
So what the fuck shemales ?

>>43442219
>muh properties
>muh essence
not surprised you niggas are jew worshippers
>complaining about muh philosophy when it doesn't understand biology past twitter posts and low grade middle school
If you actually knew biology you'd know that SRS is used for like tens of different cases than trannies, and calling these cases "male essenced" is not only stupid, it's incredibly retarded

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>>43441744
ywabaw

>>43442219
oy vey

>>43443019
no!!!

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>>43431266
Sweetie the Daily Wire is going on a mass liquidation sale. Just become a Evolian magic baron and ride the tiger. You have nothing to lose but your chains darling. Seize the day and become your own noble. It is your birthright written into the code of your blood.

>>43443830
i don't care about ben, let the israel first grift collapse for what i care
matt and michael are cool tho

>>43431646
gender is not a social construct, google intrinsic inclinations model

>>43431266
>transitioned to fit in
most obvious bait but the posters are starved for threads it seems

>>43445088
That's a documented phenomenon btw. Google ROGD

>>43431266
>>can't go back because i'm deeply convinced trans ideology and leftism are just a load of bs
manhaters and theyfab gender adventure retards are still retarded, sucking corporate cock by importing cheap labor instead of responsible immigration with integration is also typical womanslave or temporarily embarrassed millionaire cuckery
on the other hand gay chemicals and fucky genes causing in-utero endocrine and sex differentiation fuckups seems plausible - you get an ayyfab with high enough T (say CAH), and 95% of them turn lesbo
>what did we as a society do to our socially awkward nerds?
trannymaxxing is becoming viable, and some subset of those were probably dysphoric all along and outcastcoping, also more gay chemicals in the water and media to turn the frogs and fetii gay

>>43446024
>documented phenomenon
>documentation is just asking whether users of a forum dedicated to it believe it's real
girliepop that's like saying "flat earth" is a documented phenomenon because flat earthers exist

>>43446024
nta but I loved how nobody on "the right side of history" pointed out their sampling bias was mumsnet-tier fora with karens kvetching about their theyfab little trender going on a gender adventure, getting T, and then blaming the docs that nobody stopped her (because "listen and believe"), adding another one to the detrender-to-terf pipeline

>>43431266
>be disgusted by communism
>worship a jewish communist schizo
Do normniggers really?

>>43446461
yep

>>43446024
if rogd was real and op isn’t baiting you are asking me to seriously consider the experience of a presumably young malleable idiot see-sawing his identity based on his environment. either way op is not saying anything worth hearing.

>>43447201
>see-sawing his identity based on his environment
this is literally every human being on the planet, it's just more visible in autists
google rené girard mimetic theory

>>43431266
You live in a prison of your own making retard. You literally got psyopped by daily wire which is just absolute human cattle shit.
>>43431561
>metaphysically indefensible social contagion labels
You understand that you dont need a social justification to wear women's clothes, etc., right?. It's your body and life, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it provided you aren't harming others.
All this means is you're a crossie who bought into shitlib conceptions of gender that unironically pretend a woman is what clothes she wears.
>>43431987
The culture is polarised because right-wingers can't stop acting (and forgive the terminology) like insufferable chuds to the point of caricature.
I can disagree with someone on tax rates or whatever, but when 90% of modern right-wing thought is just "I act like a dick to make people mad then gloat about it", it's not that shocking that people avoid you.

Like shit, I can't possibly imagine why people don't want to hang out with people on the political alignment of "1488hitlercunnylover" who posts gore all over shitter or who makes fun of the suicides of teenagers.
Like buddy, I used to be right wing (2016-2019 periodish), like I owned (probably have it around somewhere still) a copy of Harassment Architecture, Revolt against the modern world, etc, the single thing that drove me away from that bullshit aside the overwhelming dysphoria was the fact all the people in those spaces behaved like total shitheels and no amount of "well the damn lefties are just intolerant" will change that.

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>>43431266
>what did we as a society do to our socially awkward nerds?
feminism/not enough feminism
the sensitive young man cries out for female style socialization. pre second wave feminism's cultural influence this innate femininity would be completely crushed and the nerd would have to find another way to cope. second wave feminism became popular as women entered the workforce but this social progress just kinda plateaued. women were free to take on more masculine roles, but society remained patriarchal and still sees femininity as lesser. it still did free up men to be a little more feminine, especially in childhood, but it is still heavily demining towards the feminine. this gives the sensitive young man a taste of the world he could have but locks him out of it unless he literally becomes a woman. we didn't go far enough (or we went too far if ur chudy) i bet if femininity were fully destigmatized, we would have less trannies, but because it isn't, you have the current state of things.

>>43447896
not any of the anons you're replying to
>rant on right wingers
you americans are really fucked up culturally. both your leftists and your rightists are retards.
I'm a tranny in a far-right party in continental Europe. I routinely have my morning coffee with an orthodox Marxist (think Slavoj Zizek types, which are also rejected by american leftists). I am also a football 'hooligan' sometimes. I probably appear as a tiny pixel in some of the viral football images over the last few years.
your partisan rage didn't heal, it merely shifted. In 2016 you correctly recognized the retardation of the left and now you correctly recognize the retardation of the right. But you're still blind to the retardation of your overall culture and, forgive me for saying, your own too.
it's ridiculous to move to the left because you trooned (or the other way around, to move to the right because one detroons). just like it's ridiculous to yap about 1488hitlercunnylover posts while the left flooded your country with third world savages who hate you for being a troon or a fag and then gaslighted you that it wasn't happening.
jfc you people are cooked.
in Europe the far-right embraced fags and troons. in the US the far-right refuses our creative force while the left wants us to be retards on geopolitics and accept slavery-levels of fiscal burden. Insane. All of this is insane. A lot more insane than trooning out.
Oh, btw, enjoy sharing the tribe with TERFs. Unlike nazi-larping shitposters on xitter (half of them indian bots anyway), the TERFs are party donors and policy influencers. You'll figure this out eventually. Or not. American trannies are just as special (read: with special needs) as the American people overall.

>>43447967
>i bet if femininity were fully destigmatized, we would have less trannies
nta
maybe you're right statistically over a long enough period of time (say two generations).
but over the short run it would shorten the repping periods. I know I would've transitioned much earlier if it were widely destigmatized.

>>43447967
What you'd have is more people hopping on E but also more of them would just be HRT femboys.

>>43448269
>more of them would just be HRT femboys
nta but this is basically inevitable no matter what. Nobody is putting the DiY genie back in the bottle, no matter how much psyops are being run.
Globally there are already more guys on estrogen than ever before. They just don't talk about it yet.
When I started in 2017 it was rare even on this board, let alone irl. Now I know five guys like me just in my city of 300,000 ppl. And it's a city in the chuddy parts of Europe, lol.
This doesn't go away. And won't go away.
We just need a less cringe name for men like me. I'm not a femboy lol. I just take estrogen periodically.

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>>43443830
real
imagine getting "radicalized" by a s(0)yllennial with a performative masculinity beard

>>43442176
>"b-because it just is okay!!!"
there's not even an argument being made whoever wrote picrel is a total psued

>>43448001
I'm Britistani not American. I moved to the left before I trooned (but am not actually a leftist by any reasonable grasp of that ideology), actually, I went to the left while gymrepping/attempting to join the military.
The number of thirdies who have been brought over are just so meh, but I don't believe in unvetted migration anyway (but I'm perfectly happy stealing people with degrees, including Indians, etc - I get on well with most of the Indians I know), I just don't believe in TND retard shit. Mind you the average Reform voter is operating on a similar, if not lower, cognitive level to the average thirdie (and I'd know, because I work with people from the third world).

The difference is my only voting option as a troon in Britistan is the Greens, because every other party (who I don't always completely disagree with) is full of spergs who despise me (maybe aside the libdems but who the fuck is voting for the libs)
Just to address a few points directly:
>in Europe the far-right embraced fags and troons
Have you read Restore/Reform/Tory policy on trannies?
>TERFs are party donors and policy influencers
It's almost like I literally live on TERF island lmao. There are way more TERFs on the right than the left so idfk how i'd be sharing a tribe with them lmao. Most TERFs are just right-wing women who want to appropriate patriarchal male social power as a weapon against people they dont like.
>the left wants us to be retards on geopolitics
So do the right, look at how well Iran has gone for the US since they didn't consider that maybe just maybe bombing the people with a shitload of missiles next to a major shipping lane would not promote regional stability. The right has the retardation to believe they can do whatever they want to other countries with no repercussions, the left has the spinal flexibility to cower out before getting an optimal outcome
>In 2016 you correctly recognized the retardation of the left
I was mostly transphobia repping

>>43447794
that doesn’t really change anything anon. op is still a malleable idiot, you’ve just introduced some philosophical framework you believe to explain it. which is worthless.
if anything you’re an even dumber than op for bringing up some literally who no.4938 pet theory on how christ will save us and acting like it’s an argument on its own. try again with something that isn’t bias confirmation slop

>>43449207
>I'm Britistani
Ah, sorry. I don't follow the politics of third world marginal countries.
Sorry for the bluntness too but I can never ever take the UK seriously on absolutely anything. Even Pakistan is a far more moral country than the UK ever was in my lifetime or will ever be for the few decades I hopefully still have left on the Earth.
>Have you read Restore/Reform/Tory policy on trannies?
No different than Labour in practice. Because british people are goycattle and if the Blob tells them to hate trannies, they just do it. Norf FC will do Labour hate and Souf FC will do tory hate. Goycattle the whole population.
I understand why you're not big against immigration. Nearly every immigrant is better than the vast majority of "native" brits. But do keep in mind that most of the rest of the world is far more civilized than b*itain.

>>43449207
>>43448001
>In 2016 you correctly recognized the retardation of the left
To elaborate, no, it's just the alt lite types offered an easy way out of being a tranny to my naive 15-16 year-old brain which was just "you're just being mentally ill, go through puberty and it will go away", which of course was a lie and left me mutilated.
And the "post physique" bodybuilder types (gateway to HA, Mishima, etc.) offered me a way to try and fix dysphoria that wasn't trooning (which also didn't work) because it shifted blame for my dysphoria onto not being masculine enough (therefore being more masculine would be the fix right?)
I take some things away from Harassment Architecture, but mostly that most people are pretty inadequate and don't ever really apply themselves or live their values, which frustrates me infinitely (but in the UK at least is just as common on the left as on the right).
Ironically, HA is part of what led me to accepting trooning out.

Anyway, atp even if I did believe the white genocide conspiracy nonsense (I don't) the TL:DR of my position is that i've had more abuse off "propa native brits" than I have off Muslims/arabs/your choice of word, who have literally done surgery on me, knowing i'm trans, without discrimination, hell the woman who did my dysphoria assessment was M.East background, and she was nothing but kind to me. On a personal level I don't really feel any connection to a white British identity anymore, the amount of shit i've had off white Brits I don't want to be counted among them (although ofc I am anyway). I'd rather be counted as part of a varied collective of people who can behave with decency in society.

>>43449320
>Even Pakistan is a far more moral country than the UK
Okay, that one's a bit of a reach. The UK is more retarded in clinging to the idea that we're somehow an empire or global power when, beyond having lots of post-empire regional influence, we aren't.
>No different than Labour in practice.
Hence, Greens (who are even more left but will actually not openly hate trannies). Not especially relevant but Norf hates Tories and Souf hates Labour.
>keep in mind that most of the rest of the world is far more civilized than b*itain.
Idk, I'd have to have lived other places, I've been to other places in Europe, but I dont have the base of lived experience to understand their politics or culture. Britain at the moment is just circling the gutter and most "native" brits I talk to are just accelerating the decline. Even among the "true British patriots" most have no real appreciation for British culture, it's literally written into Restores manifesto to teach a "patriotic" (read biased/incorrect) version of history because they don't even care for our own history.

>>43437322
john money promulgated the idea that gender was completely malleable. the logical conclusion of this belief is that transness is just attention-seeking.
you should actually try reading the people you cite

too many words itt its unbecoming

>>43448560
This is a catechism written by a Catholic bishop. Those need rigorous philosophical and theological knowledge (even regular priests do tbhon), in case you didn't know.
>>43449309
>some literally who
Anon, Girard is popular in France even in secular circles, as well as with Peter Thiel.

>>43451023
>appeal to psued
Yet he can't even apply whatever he apparently memorized into making a coherent logical argument for why changing your own body is le bad (in this one specific politically charged instance). This is just some dude who got himself into a position of power, not a 10,000 year old wise sage who personally spoke to Jesus Christ. The way he spits out modern political buzzwords leads me to believe that he's just an ideologically-captured retard who started out with a stance he's trying to justify after the fact.
If what you guys claim God necessitates were true then the gnostics would be correct about the whole demiurge thing. Personally I don't believe God is as sadist though.

>>43451249
It's not the purpose of a catechism to talk about trannies for hours on end. It's just a summary of Catholic doctrine. The ban on transitioning directly follows from theology of the body and of natural law, which has literally been developed over hundreds of years, from Aquinas to John Paul II. Recently, Pope Francis condemned gender ideology on multiple occasions, even comparing it to nuclear weapons in terms of societal impact.

Daily wire is isreali propaganda, even I've stopped listening to matt walsh because he didn't mention once the statue of Jesus the kik*s destroyed

>>43431561
>i never really felt a pressing need for hrt so i only transitioned and detransitioned socially
Sooo you’re a cross dresser who got spooked and stopped, I say this with the utmost sincerity if there is draino under your kitchen sink you should probably drink it or get a grip on reality

>>43451786
and of course now we circle back to "b-because it just does okay!!"
lol
"gender ideology" is just another buzzword that basically means nothing so whatever idc about that

>>43431266
I don't think you should pretend to be friends with people you want to destroy

>>43451890
>i believe sex is real and "gender identity" isn't. sorry you're suffering from gender dysphoria, even if i don't think transitioning will get you anywhere. let's just bond over being dorks despite our different worldviews
>REEEEEEEE you want to kill all trannies!!
is there any wonder op is worried about y'all being cultists

>>43431266
You don't deserve them

I don't deny that a lot of the trans and leftist ideologies are be hypocritical, but you don't deserve that person because of the way you too think

>>43451925
>I just want you to be forced back into hellish agony, it's just a heckin opinion bro why are you so upset

>>43451987
deontology > consequentialism
pleasure and pain don't determine whether something is moral
suffering is a part of life. read jordan peterson

>>43431266
Leftism is about class struggle, the intersectionality bullshit is all just tangential, ie under capitalism it’s easier for minority groups like trans to be victimized. You’re a propagandized moron unfortunately, the right wing is reactionary bullshit. Stop being a retard. I’m not trans btw just a guy who fucks them.

>>43431266
stop taking the arguments of conservative christians seriously, stop taking the daily wire seriously
the great replacement stuff is absolutely real though so take that seriously
your transgender friends are old enough to live their lives the way they want for better or worse, knowing what arguments are worth having with your friends and which aren't is part of being a friend
and if you don't care enough about the issue that someone being trans doesn't immediately turn you off wanting to be around them, you clearly don't care about the issue enough to pretend to be a moral crusader against it, and no amount of hours listening to stale neocon propaganda is ever going to change that
>t. token right winger in a leftist friend group with multiple tranners

>>43452240
>the right wing is reactionary bullshit
BASED
The voices of the past are worth listening to.
Leftism is basically "The generations before us thought jumping off a cliff was bad, so what if we all deconstructed these antiquated ideas unchallenged for 2000 years and started jumping off of cliffs?"

>>43452282
first reasonable reply itt

>>43452307
ty anon I try

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>>43447967
So what are the options for sensitive young nerds?

>>43452294
You’re a moron dawg, capitalism is a relatively new invention and we still have plenty of historical evidence that it immediately fucks the social contract into the ground if you don’t place heavy restrictions on it. Socialism is not a bad idea, unions and worker co-ops are already proven to work, socialized medicine is proven to work. Socialized housing and food for all should be the logical next steps, the right wing stands in the way of that progress for no good reason which is why they have to rely on manufacturing outrage at culture war wedge issues like abortion and trannies and racebaiting.

>>43431266
are you bpd by any chance. you can be friends with people without being a copy of them you know

also can you explain what trans ideology is to you, not debate but i keep hearing it from detroons and I can't figure out what it's supposed to be bc in the reality i live trannies can't agree on anything and at best you can tease out a few broader schools of thought so it's genuinely impossible for me to figure out what you're all gesturing at

last one i kinda figured out probably meant "the idea that if you feel better in a masculinized body you automatically must like a male gender role" in her specific context but like "medical transition, role and identity are all separate" is exactly the tucute school of thought. just not the feminine essence school of thought. very confusing for my personal brand of autism

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>>43451023
I forget myself. Rene is a big hit with tech bros who can read, a weapons dealer, christian philosophers, and allegedly the french.
egg on my face, some of the greatest minds I love to hear from know about this guy

>>43452484
>are you bpd
no, just neurodivergent
>you can be friends with people without being a copy of them you know
yeah ik. the question is whether the trannies realize that on their end
>also can you explain what trans ideology is to you
the idea that there's a "gender" separate from both sex and temperament and is your "true self"

>>43452829
so you believe gender is just a mix of physical sex and personality?
think you'd find a lot of trannies with that outlook here

>>43431890
TDS grand enough to derail an entire lifetime of effort.
Kek