the current wave of "cis men on hrt" is really fucking retardedall "cis men on hrt" should go touch grass and talk to real cis men for an intense reality checkmaybe then they'll stop trashing up the board
>>43442999sure im nothing like a normal cis man because im a failure, ofc i act and think nothing like them, i failed so hard i rejected myself and got lost in a fantasy, that doesnt make me a tranny
>>43442999Why isn’t she brown
>>43443084God loves her
>>43443089God doesnt love anyone
>>43443084She doesn't go outside so her skin isn't brown
>>43443089You know god is a black woman, right?
>>43442999checkedalso "cis men on hrt" are just manmoders with more self hatred
>>43442999i am a cis man on hrt
>>43442999checked those digits hon and thats how I know Im a cis man on hrt
>>43442999It's just transsexuals realizing they need to transition but being unable to mentally accept being a tranny in the current state of hatred towards them, so it's a more digestible half measure
>>43442999>I’m nonbinary“Not real”>I’m trans“No you’re not”>I’m a cis male on HRT“Cis males don’t take hrt retard”Someone’s always going to be unhappy
What does it matter to you? God forbid we express our gender outside if your preconceived gender norms. I'm sorry you got dealt a shitty hand with debilitating dysphoria, I really do. But we struggle too, we aren't the enemy. Like you we're quiet people trying to live our lives.
>>43442999shhh its just repper harm reduction. its the next phase of "would hrt have saved her". 99% of them will troon out cismoder poster is just helping them take the first step
>>43442999it's actually a good thing. the wave of "cis men on hrt" are just reppers who finally broke and started hormones. id rather see them being angsty and self loathing on hormones than off themt.repper expert
>>43444992hrt is enough for me
>>43444992
>>43444386someone should create a way for a male to take female hormones without making anyone unhappy
>>43445072uh yeah im one of the cismoder posters now because it happened to me duh
>>43442999any cis men on hrt wanna be fem4fem gay men together
I’m a nondysphoric cis man on HRT and I hate my giant penis
>>43442999Being against cis men on e is a red flag
>>43442999its enby erasure>"i dont want to be the reddit gender so i will identify as a cis man on hrt instead. most enbies arent even on hrt so i am totally valid"
>>43445092just have to frame it as part of a looksmaxxing or antiaging stack
>>43442999trannies in deniallollmao
you're a troon im a cis man on HRT we are not the same>>43444992wrong
>>43445329idiot
>>43445092No doubt TERFs will be unhappy because "men are stealing OUR medicine for their deranged fetishes" or whateverI have already heard this numerous timesThey wouldn't see much difference between these guys and normal MTFs
>>43445990no u
>>43446011i only care if im upsetting men
>>43442999recent? this cope has been around this board for at least 5 years, when i started using it
>>43446467its exploded recently
what would the reality check even be anyway
>>43446716something violent and or humiliating i presume
>>43446747but why
>>43447116humans are hive mind apes
>>43444992it would transphobic for me to transition this is as far as i go
>>43446562>exploded>one person making threads everyday
>>43442999>all "cis men on hrt" should go touch grass and talk to real cis men for an intense reality checkThe reality check in question will just be getting dicked down. God bless states with informed consent creating the bussy renaissance.
>>43447515is it just one person? looks like i fell for it again
>>43447515I hate "correcting" people cause it makes me feel preachy and arrogant af, but my thread was never about being a "cis man on hrt", despite it ultimately boiling down to it
>>43447691that was literally the title of every single thread.
>>43447786There's no mention of me being on hrt in my thread title. They're only about me being in denial of my internal and immutable male identity
>>43447860wdym? i am a dumb twink spell it out to me plain and simple.
>>43448047I'm a cis man and in denial of it
>>43448088in denial of being trans or in denial of being cis?
>>43448149The latter. Sorry for being unclear
>>43448192but you are saying you are a cis man so how is that denial
>>43447860well then you’re not the one i was talking about clearly the one who started it recently with the same anime girl pics is the one obv i refer to
>>43448248Oh, sorry. That does make much more sense though. I mistakenly thought you were referring to me because you mentioned the threads being made daily in >>43447515
>>43448226I know I am a cis man, but I can't help but think that I'm supposed to be a trans woman to the point that I'm actually transitioning
>>43448248me and repper-kun are different ppl xd
>>43442999a huge portion of cis men id say at least 30% would be fine possibly even happier taking hrt. Not all men are aggressive orcs
>>43448811cis men are scared that soya will estrogenize them
>>43448848that is a minority of cis men most cis men don’t obsess over their bodies too much
>>43442999>all "cis men on hrt" should go touch grass and talk to real cis men for an intense reality checkI do that daily, actually. I have a normal boring life and a cism boyfriend too. I just inject estrogen periodically.
>>43442999Nah I like being a third gender eunuch thing. Big fan of:>no body odor>less body hair>keeping my hair>cuter face from soft tissue changes>clearer, less oily skin>better fat depositsDon't really like>breast growth>reduced muscle massDon't have>desire to be a woman>bottom dysphoria>brainworms about "passing" This is no different than moisturizing me. If a medicine makes you hotter, you take it. I don't think any further than that.
>>43442999It's just trannies that don't pass at all despite trying their best and need to find a way to rationalize not detransitioning because hrt makes them feel better mentally even if it doesn't change their lot physically
>>43449300
You gotta admit, Being a tranny is fuxking cringe. Simple as that. If I could press a button and pass instantly I’d take it. But i can’t so I present as male
>>43447556tbf this (and existing an environment/community where i can just live as my self) would fix me. but it's not possible atm and possibly never will be.
>>43449300I thought I considered myself a third gender eunuch thing as well, but my list is quite differentBig fan of:>no body odor >less body hair >keeping my hair >cuter face from soft tissue changes>clearer, less oily skin >better fat deposits >breast growth >reduced muscle mass Don't have >desire to be a woman Have:>>bottom dysphoria >>brainworms about "passing"
>>43448430oh. i cant call myself a man without it feeling like im lying, but im not a woman either obv. and i can call myself a male or twink though. idk why i cant call myself a man it feels wrong.
>>43448944based periodocal e enjoyertransition fans cannot comprehend this
>>43449392trvke
>>43447556>>43448811>>43449360trvkes
>>43449562this is just being trans i think. most women probably dont actually "desire to be a woman" but feel the same as you for everything else too
Manmodding forever.No one has said anything to me about being trans, but I have gotten a few weird looks.
>>43449562ntaDon't have>desire to be a woman>breast growth >brainworms about "passing"Have:>bottom dysphoriaSo much so that I put myself on an srs waitlist.
>>43449588>transition fans cannot comprehend thisoh they can. They just don't like it because they've psyopped themselves into believing they're ill or some shit.Estrogen (and AAs) are just technological tools. One uses them or not and one keeps using them if he derives a benefit from them.
>>43445119ideally that's what would happen
>>43442999Cis men arent a monolith you gender-conformist retard. Not everyone is gonna fit into your gendered stereotype boxes. Its genuinely crazy to me how your worldview consists of thinking being a woman = being a feminine submissive weak cutesy tradwife and being a man = being a buff masculine macho athlete. And when someone doesnt fit into your childish worldview on gender, you get pissed and insist that they must transition so that they will fit comfortabley into your stereotype boxes.
>>43443290Duh, Shes a woman because Yakub transitioned after making white people.
>>43442999It's just a collective lable for hrt twinks and self segregating hons, manmoders and baby trans who think they're ngmi. Why do you care so much
>>43442999I'm a cis male not on hrt
>>43443986If anything it's far less self hatred. I simply don't care about any of the social aspects of transitioning, only the physical.It's pretty chill, just pop some hormones and don't change anything about how I present myself (was pretty faggy already though lol), or how I like others to address me or anything.
>>43449300>Big fan of:>no body odor (E actually gave me body odor i had none before from dut)>less body hair (already had none, dut also prevents it)>keeping my hair (dut does this)>cuter face from soft tissue changes (this is an E thing but dut does do subtle changes too)>clearer, less oily skin (already had this from dut)>better fat deposits (this is an E only thing)>Don't really like>breast growth (you need raloxifene or microdose)>reduced muscle mass (you can try a sarm + e + dut for a female bodybuilder regimen)>Don't have>desire to be a woman>bottom dysphoria>brainworms about "passing"it sounds like you might benefit more from simply dut + skincare + topical estriol.
>>43449917do people talk about trans topics to you though?
>>43442999Lots of cis men don't get any game, many transition just because of that
>>43453234I have 0 game and 0 desire to troon
>>43453234That's completely bs. I gave up on easy game as a man just to take extrogen. Not like I would've enjoyed getting game as a man though
>>43453278Not like you had women before you transitioned
>>43453312I did lol
>>43453326Good for you then
>>43445092It's called gender abolitionism and in its true form, a lot more people would be transitioning because there wouldn't be any taboos against looking like the opposite sex. TERFs think gender abolition just means everyone just does their birth sex because trannies are evil and responsible for gender
>>43453353>because trannies are evil and responsible for genderThat's the truth but you'll never admit it.
>>43453415how is this even possible bro
>>43446011now why the fuck would i care about what a terf (woman) thinks?t. cis man on hrt
>>43446011tranny isn't on hrt>"just a man in a dress are you insane?"tranny gets a prescription >"Ur stealing our medicine, how dare you do this! The factories can't produce more! (They will)"Tranny buys diy hrt made by fellow trannies>"ew your buying bathtub hrt your poisoning yourself you drug addicted freak!"You can never win with these "people".
>>43453772You'll always be an ugly moid. At least men "usually" don't go into the women's restroom. You're just as bad, nothing you're doing makes you special in any way.
>>43453837Special enough for you to hate.
>>43442999its late stage brainworms killing any self respect in our woman, grim
>>43453857You hate yourself enough to chop off your own dick, loser moid.
>>43442999God forbid cis men do anything.
>>43447556plapping cis """men""" on hrt into trannydom.
>>43448718>picI've seen this....
>>43452851>conforming to genderby conforming to the gender assigned to him at birth....yeah dude will look like a woman a few years on hrt and say that he is a man and somehow he will be non conforming and a gender revolutionary.the retardation of gender criticals is beyond repair
>>43442999>the current wave of "cis men on hrt" is really fucking retardedmehwhatever coping mechanisms they're using, IMO it's better than repressing and delaying HRT
>>43442999I am a male taking feminizing HRT but I am not pursuing sex reassignment
>>43454326>I'm a man who wears prescription glasses but I am not pursuing clear vision
>>43454426You don't know what sex reassignment means. HRT alone is hardly a full on sex change.
>>43453214I have considered all of this, but the issue is that 1. I want big results fast, and 2. I can either do this whole stack of pills, or just inject once a week.Raloxifene for example puts some pressure on your liver and kidneys, and I'll take some small tits over nuking my organs so long as I can present mask. I'm actually already on fin+minox to keep my hair though. And I'm still strong enough to do like 5 pullups without touching the ground so Im okay with my current strength.My concern is primarily about health. Like the fact is, a healthy person is either full of testosterone, or full of estrogen. Your body wants that. Removing it without replacing it can cause premature aging, induce early menopause, etc, etc. If you want cute+health, you may as well just do exactly what an mtf does to get the best gains for the lowest risks, if you don't mind a bit of excess feminization. If you really wanna minmax it then that's admirable, but its not for me.
>>43442999I'm a cis man on hrt and I can't quit hrt because my muscles get really sore off estrogen and my hair starts growing super fast to the point that it's gross. If there was another drug that slowed down my hair growth or if I could get full body laser then maybe but I'm awful at shaving so idk how I'd prepare for it.
>>43446011Counterpoint:Terfs are not people.
>>43456369dutasteride slows facial and body hair growth i think (idk i have no body hair and ive been taking it so long idk what my facial hair growt would be without it but it grows slow compared to regular men i think)>>43455812theres huge variation in whats normal though. like there isnt just "man is this and woman is that." idk wym by full t and full e. everyone has a range of both, plus a ton of other different hormones. anyway, how do you guys even dress and present yourselves, especially if you have tits lol? you are not out as women so you are not dressing as women, so you dress andro i guess? dressing as a man would be weird, almost crossdressy. and hair styles? are you all like super queer presenting? i am a twink, so i always dressed as a twink, always looked gay no matter how i dressed or tried to hide it anyway, and i only microdose e, and i kind of worry a bit if the facial changes are too much sometimes, even at this microdose. i dont wear fitness outfits as often as i used to, and when i do its more of a cute comfy cardio look than it used to be because im more in the soft pretty direction than hard masc. so i wear more artsy outfits now. even in basic non flamboyant outfits if i used to look more male now i loook more soft. i can pull it off because i am pretty and naturally andro to begin with but its still a bit uncanny to me, more so in selfies, maybe only i notice it, idk i still just look normal pretty in regular pictures, but i cant imagine a full hrt dose without transitioning, probably looks obviously medicated/uncanny? your eyes and lips get bigger and your skin gets glassy like a girls. compared to guys who have darker skin, narrower heavier eyes, thinner lips, and just a whole face with more subtle masc cues that altogether read as instantly overtly masc. i also wonder how to dress as i age and yet my appearance stays youthful, as if i dress my actual age i feel like i look like im giving that teenager larping as an adult vibe :')
>>43453772you forgot:>identifies as cis male, doesn’t even take hormones, doesn’t ask to be called any different pronoun or name, stays completely away from foids sexually, but occasionally presents in a feminine manner (personality, hair, clothing, makeup etc.)>”you’re stealing women’s culture and mimicking women’s behavior for you fetish you fucking rapist moid!!”
>>43457032hrt doesnt do any of that shit. it basically just prevents getting molded from t without dissolving ur bones like straight blockers would
>>43442999i do touch grass and talk to cis men and they're literally just like me, i have 0 features that would identify me as anything other than a cis man
>>43454297im not a gender critical, transition if you want too idc. Just let me identify how I want too, and ill let you identify as what you want too. Just stop trying to force every feminine person to become a woman because of your simplistic "women = femininity" worldview
I will learn to accept that I am a cis man on HRT
>>43457233doesnt do any of what shit? what hrt are you taking?
>>43457444>your eyes and lips get bigger and your skin gets glassy like a girls.
>>43457519it does, it happened to me and ive noticed it in others too and seen others talk about noticing it. are you on e? look at old pics from before
>>43457032nta>anyway, how do you guys even dress and present yourselves, especially if you have tits lol?In the summer I wear kilts or tailored skirts. And dark colored dresses.In the winter longer denim dresses that look like a long t-shirt on me plus long trench coat. I basically look like a 1990s tv-show character given my long hair. Very majestic, according to people around me (including those who despise me).Funny thing, I get gendered female if I wear a hoodie LOL.I don't have much booba. Between 70 and 90% of estrogen users (depending whose study you trust) get lower than the lowest cup growth. I am in that large majority.>i also wonder how to dress as i age and yet my appearance stays youthfulMeh, I've been dressing relatively similarly for the last 14 years (though added more skirts as time went on because why not). I'm 35 now. I don't get seen as a teenager but I am assumed early-to-mid 20s still. So, ballpark, aim for a professional yuppie outfit and you'll be fine for another decade at the very least without looking like a teen larping as an adult or w/e.>but i cant imagine a full hrt dose without transitioningA lot of this depends on the individual's biology. The exact same dosage that on me works out just fine could make someone else a twinkhon or have zero effect. That's why blood tests and experimentation is so important.What trannies call a "hondose" may already be more than enough for someone like us.Btw, you should do that too. Microdosing can work great if your natural T production is high. But if it's low or mid, microdosing harms you more than a full tranny dose like the other anon correctly observes.>probably looks obviously medicated/uncanny?Brainworm. Most people don't give af.Focus on what you like and keep at that.
>>43457555yea ive been on E for 10 years. skin and eyes look the same if you account for lighting. eye/orbital area only looks different from ffs.
>>43457332stealing this image thank you anon
Wish i were a cismoid on hrt
>>43453876> Don't get SRSYou're a faker who just wants to hide your rapestick to assault women> Does get SRSEwww you're mentally ill and cut off your cock
>>43457623>skirtsim not at that level of queer sadly lol but i respect the confidence>1990s tv-show character given my long hair.very nice. thats the best aesthetic >Between 70 and 90% of estrogen users (depending whose study you trust) get lower than the lowest cup growth. I am in that large majority.ya i was scared at first but nothing really happened for me>Btw, you should do that tooya i think i will soon>Microdosing can work great if your natural T production is high. But if it's low or mid, microdosing harms you more than a full tranny dose like the other anon correctly observes.whys that? wouldnt people with high t need more e? and if you are low t, then you dont need as much e for it to have its effects?>That's why blood tests and experimentation is so important.>What trannies call a "hondose" may already be more than enough for someone like us.ya i'm just going by feel. when i find out my levels i'll report back here. >Brainworm. Most people don't give af.Focus on what you like and keep at that.ya it's brainworm because like i said in pics taken by others the effects arent as noticeable as closeup selfies. but the effects are still there, maybe this is as much as it gets though and i wrongly assumed a higher dose would do even more.>>43457678looks like 2 different people hard to know since you got ffs and changed your brow but the skin looks lighter. in white people its more transparent because white skin gets red and inflamed with high t and glassy white on e. i could prove it but i dont want to dox myself for something like this but its the same thing in reverse as high t guys like liver king, they get beed red.
>>43459311beet*
>>43459311>wouldnt people with high t need more e? and if you are low t, then you dont need as much e for it to have its effects?Estrogen neutralizes T in time.If you're high on T naturally, then microdosing (say half of the standard tranny dosage) can in fact give you some of the effects you're looking for without the risk of being uncanny or needing to fully transition.If you're naturally low on T, then almost any dosage of E would neutralize it and you'd in fact have to go full mtf (chemically) or else you'd ruin your health.Blood tests should be your grounding in reality when it comes to how achievable your goals are.>i wrongly assumed a higher dose would do even moretoo high: you fry your receptorshigh: you're just doing mtf (no judgment, mind you)too low: no effects or nothing relevantFinding the accurate balance (that also fits your goals) is an exercise of patience, experimentation and math (while interpreting your blood tests).>im not at that level of queer sadlyIt helps a lot that I'm married to a woman. So anyone calling me a faggot ends up looking like a retard.I simply took the advice "just be a feminine man" very seriously and I'm... well... that.
>>43457032should I do dutasteride? I kinda like having sensitive nipples I just don't care for having boobs and I'm worried dut will make me feel depressed.
>>43443089
>>43460081It won't. Just take it
>>43459403thank you, youve been very helpful>>43460081what is your goal
>>43463605I don't even know lol I just want to like my body again
>>43463648>I just want to like my body againyeah
>>43463648knowing almost nothing about you besides that you are itt, i guess at least try fin then, only because dut has a longer half life if you change your mind
