Bi (leaning androphilic) cis HRT Twink here:For the longest time I’ve considered myself an AGP femboy (part of the reason I’m a guy deep down) but when I look at AGP activist men on twitter they’re almost incomprehensible and alien:This guy used to mock transfems while acting like his soience made him a onions genius but after totally losing every scrap of neoteny that could make you present cute decides to hon up (fat gut looks ridiculous)That’s incomprehensible: I admit I’m probably AGP but the reason for taking HRT in teens was that I wanted to keep my baby face and slim frame and I’m unhinged levels of perfectionist about looks to the point I refuse to touch women’s clothes and got outraged when friends tried to force me to fully troon. So evidently, the femboy/twink type of AGP: ‘keep pretty boy looks forever’Is different from the smug straight guy AGPThere is no reason to keep hrt other than I like people saying I’m cute and like having a baby face and waifish frame and I’m okay with doing that while dressed as a guy but I will not let anyone rot my face and body
>>43458437mogs me
picrel is so fucking hot
why do people need to come up with elaborate psychosexual explanations for being trans?why are we not allowed to just accept that being trans is an innate neuroanatomical trait, and that affinity to fetishes like this is just an expression of that trait?ultimately I think the reason that obviously flawed models of transsexuality like blanchard's etiology have persisted to current day because the trans community has failed to agree on "born this way" rhetoric the way gay people have.
>>43458437agp hrt repping didnt really exist back in the day so its easy to be in denial that you want to troon when so.yciety is telling you to stay cis and also you look like a man in drag when you do try being a crossie
>>43458487Don’t be jealousHe’s literally troonjak
>>43458685but look at how wide his hips are anons!
>>43458685>>43458728shoulder hip ratio mogs my dorito ass
>>43458728That’s the blimp/spherical body type wdym. His waist is literally wider than his hips.
gross men are gross menthese are sissies and therefore not trans nor women
>>43458437there is a 100% chance this dude will go back on hrtdetrooners in shambles
>>43458437Yeah I mean I was in a similar boat but the base will to preserve neotenous looks is still AGP or something right? I mean one grifter freak doesn't really change my opinion on it there's a wide variety of manifestations of the phenomenon
>>43458437I wonder if people would be still so neurotic about trannyism if passing were easy for everyone
>>43458437You're just anatomical AGP/AAEHPP with strong AAPho while Ray is overwhelmingly transvestitic/to a lesser degree behavioral AGP.As for why transvestic AGP is becoming rarer in the zoomers (started with the millennials really), probably because women's clothes have lost much of their gravitas and aura as the idea of crossdressing became less taboo.And with trooning becoming more common and cringe we're probably going to see more and more AAEHPP.
>>43458659I find this hard to believe, femgen and HRT femboys have been a thing on 4chan since 2014 and even before that, as far back as the 20th century there are cases of twinks using hRT to stay fem. There are people attached to their twinkiness. It’s not a new thing.>agpI presume. My former friend group claimed I was “HSTS” (in addition to body type they went off things like my voice having feminine resonance and body language), but I discredit that. Not only is it not the case for me but I suspect most “hsts” doesn’t exist and is instead the twinkagp.>>43459098Isn’t it pointless? Keeping neoteny is one thing but regaining isn’t something it does.>>43459158IdkProbably. Something related to twink vanity and twink preening. AHE/AGAMP/liking getting treated like a girl/cute?But it’s self evidently a world apart from the boomers and bros
>>43458437this is so grim
>>43459470if you werent a twink (which I wasnt and i dont think ray is) then it wasnt rly an option
>>43459443>You're just anatomical AGP/AAEHPP with strong AAPho while Ray is overwhelmingly transvestitic/to a lesser degree behavioral AGPI don’t fully understand what you are saying but it makes much sense. >AAEHPP with strong AAPhoWhat do they mean? If it means anything I’m the twink doctor that posted in the anti femboy thread. So long as I can keep my body in its neotenic state I can function just fine in society.
>>43459540If you were on /tttt/ a decade ago it was.>twinkIdk why I did search this but yeah, the take estrogen to stay fem despite not actually being trans has 20th century cases. It just wasn’t practical till the Obama era and by now it’s maybe the most common and inoffensive option.
>>43459638Yeah sorry there's just no existing acronym for autoandro ephebo/hebe/pedophilia which is the phenomenon you're describing (no shame in experiencing it, it's very common nowadays).AAPho is autoandrophobia."Gender dysphoria", basically.
>>43459672All these words are retarded and whats pedophilia have to do with this? the fuck
>>43459521Don’t feel too much mirror neuron angst. I think he used to tell people they were very wrong to HRT and was shilling the “why can’t you just be a feminine man” (who looks like basedjak) line. I can and will concede anything that is not my body for the sake of harmony but will not be pushed past that line.
>>43458570Because trannies made it a mental disorder, yes transgender are legally mentally ill people. Now transgender is not a word, you have mentally ill men on the streets. That is why
>>43459684You want to be a twink and neotenous/youthful in a pubescent way, that's autoephebophilia.
>>43458685I see a lot of women that look like that.
>>43459667i was on tttt a decade ago, there were soft skinned boobie boys but not hrt reppers. im just saying it wasnt commonly known, perma manmoding didn't rly become a thing BROADLY recently
>>43459717has it really been 10 years? I miss old /tttt/
>>43459717Aren’t they the same thing?The whole point was to take hrt before I lose my neoteny. I mean, maybe it’s because I’m short and quite slender (not a caucasoid) but I’ve wither been mistaken for being ftm or told I look 17 so rn I’m fine with my shell.It is really going to suck once old age makes me twink die though and I’m already angstingThere was a time where I was nearly gaslight (by people I trusted) into thinking I wanted to be a girl and for some reason dysphoria was far worse and even things I and others like like my voice drove me crazy back then
>>43459868idk how old you are but if you were a whole-ass masculinized moid like i was, twink death had already come and gone. idk how old ray is. i was not a 15 year old femgenner who got groomed and soft skinned boobie boy was just the original boymoder (staying closeted until you can come out / pass later) not the whole perma boymoder thing that emerged around covid
>>43459470I was an HRT femboy on r9k in 2014 and I was repping just without the label. I trooned out socially a few years later
>>43458437AGP is an umbrella term, ultimately it can mean many different things what kind of womanly things could you see in yourself and how could that bring you pleasure, what kind of pleasure and so on
>>43458437I've got ADHD and absolutely zero interest in crossdressing as a fetish or in fabric as a sensation.
>>43458437>This guy used to mock transfems while acting like his soience made him a onions genius but after totally losing every scrap of neoteny that could make you present cute decides to hon up (fat gut looks ridiculous)I don't think you know his whole story. He was a trans woman for 7+ years on hrt. Then detransitioned and was actively publicly repressing for a year or two and using hardcore catholicism as a coping strategy. He recently decided to pursue integration of his AGP instead of repping.It sounds like your reason for taking hrt is vanity, and that's fine. Other people have their own reasons, and that's fine too. Not sure what point you're trying to make with this thread besides saying he looks like a brickhon or something. Not everybody has a perfect life story or perfect genetics.
>>43459906Late teens, I’m mixed race and partially Mongoloid bone structure wise so my blue print naturally tends toward slim, short with rounded facial features. Also I was anorexic before that so idk, late puberty? I didn’t really have an acne problem until the year I took HRT. Perhaps my brain maturation was also delayed idk since I was quite stupid till well into adulthood >>43459912Idk why I never felt like doing that. It’s to the point my former friends thought they were doing me a favor by bullying me into trooning and it mostly backfired by making me try and study how to act and dress more masculine. This is probably why I now come off as ftm coded to others.I think twink is just my steady state
>>43460039I kind of feel bad. Although wasn’t he(?) against HRT? You know what they say, never come between a man and his HRT.It’s more of I think I should be classed as AGP but if I try and compare myself against the archetype it doesn’t fit. So maybe there is a twink agp. Or how else can you make sense of AGP medically transitioned femboys.
>>43459672>autoandroephebophilia with autoandrophobiayou’re pretty good at this neoblanchardian profiling. I even admitted something along the same lines years ago. I’m used to my body being neotenous and don’t see why I have to give it up or why it isn’t my default state?Women are like that btw, they’ve been like that forever, see how they spend fortunes trying to look like how they did at 18?There’s also a complication: I was raised by an Androphobic parent who beat me up and told me I would grow up to be a rapist man/serial killer/etc and that I would die at the electric chair. So there is no telling if that caused some type of psychiatric damage.
>>43458437okay
>>43461261He’s streaming about it rn lol https://x.com/rayalexwilliams/status/2051102285036400678
>>43458437>especially the influence of futanari and trans porn lol yikes
>>43458437yeah there are rogd loud and proud agps and there are shy sensitive ones who repress or cope silently
>>43458437Doc, you're overcomplicating things.It's actually a good thing that more people learn that you can just do "hrt femboy" (we really need a better term for this).Blanchardism is outdated anyway and for people like us it doesn't even matter that much. We want to be cute and... that's it. HRT is a technological tool that helps us partially towards that goal. Why does all of this have to be even that complicated?We interacted in the past in the /hrtmeng/ and similar threads. I'm the military trained estrogenized dude, kek.
>>43459443What is AAEHPP
>>43458487dawn stahp
>>43462966who are you
