Why the fuck can't cis people just listen to the words we say about ourselves instead of twisting themselves into pretzels trying to make up some stupid bullshit explanation they can use to hurt us every time the subject comes up.
>>43461915You're liars?
>>43461919You think we're liars because you hate us and don't want to believe we could be telling the truth. That's a you problem, not an us problem.
>>43461928I don’t think lying is the right word, more like a misunderstanding on your part. I’m fine with transgenders but I do not even remotely give a shit about the thoughts, feelings, safety, wellbeing, or human rights of a frogposter
>>43461958I understand my own lived experience quite well tyvm.. it's you who doesn't understand it
>>43461915When you say “listen to the words we say about ourselves”, you actually mean “believe everything that I say without question, even if it’s false”, don’t you? Be honest.>>43461966Your “lived experience” doesn’t cause falsehoods to become true.
>>43461919Just because we can put on a dress and get rewarded for it and you’re mad that you can’t, doesn’t make us liars.
>>43461975You don't get to decide what kind of human I am. I get to decide that.
>>43461928No. It's because you're liars.
>>43461915I don't think it's a unique experience to trans people but rather it's just more exaggerated with us in terms of how trans people are treated. What I think the issue ultimately is that socially as a society everything has become absolutely rancid. Our species isn't meant to be isolated into bubbles and algorithms, so that coupled with all the geopolitical instability that everyone is forced to be hyper aware of, people are just especially shitty and judgemental in new ways because most people don't live in village style communities anymore. I think I'm doing a shit job explaiobut hopefully you understand the gist of what I'm getting at. Reality is though there's always a minority group that gets unfairly treated.
>>43461977Whos rewarding you? Low value men that see you as a transvestite to fetishise?
>>43461966you probably don’t but that’s not just a tranny thing, we’re all born into this world delusional. the vast majority of people do not really understand their life and the stories they put together about it aren’t real. sometimes we can’t see reality even when it’s right in front of our face
>>43461984You don’t get to determine in what ways I use language. I get to determine that.Existence precedes essence. One is not born, but rather becomes a woman.
>>43461997Do you have any fucking idea how much introspection and learning of the self it required to become who I am? You are literally speaking to someone who has put in the work for self actualization and suggesting that I don't even know myself. That's just ridiculous. Are you really more willing to believe this shit than you are to believe that boy-girl isnt as simple as MUH GENITALS?Frankly this post is like telling a 20 year IT Professional that they don't *really* know if they prefer hardware or software. You just sound like an arrogant, clueless prick talking to me like this.
>>43462012Shit Autogynephiles Say>I have found my true self in imitating women. It took YEARS to find out I'm a skinwalker. Here's a computer tech reference sir!
>>43462018Believe it or not, when you grow up with the whole world trying to jam you (a square peg) into the round hole then yeah it takes time and effort to unlearn all that bullshit and get right down to your inner self.But you wouldn't know anything about that because you've spent your whole life letting the world dictate who you are
>>43462012Words gain their meanings from how they are used. In the context of sex assignment at birth, “boy” refers to a child who is observed to have a penis.You were born a boy and later became a woman. Transitioning does not retroactively change your sex. It will never be the case that you were born a girl.
>>43462028You're wrong, plain and simple.
>>43462023I'm me. I'm not a woman and I accept myself and don't need to create a new false persona of myself with a fake name and fake appearance in order to hold my head up high when i walk. Half of the motivation for mtf to troon comes from a bizarre sexual fetish and intense worship of women, while the other half of your motivation comes from self hatred and feelings of inadequacy as a man.
>>43462029>You're wrong for reasons I cannot explain.
>>43462023We are defined by the choices that we make, not by an imaginary, unchanging “inner self”. You are a woman because of the choices that you’ve made, not because of some imaginary female “essence”.>>43462029Facts don’t care about your delusions.
>>43462032I'm not putting on a fake anything you piece of fucking shit. The FAKE was the mask that society beat me down into wearing since before I was even old enough to remember. Fuck you.
>>43462045You're literally patterning your life in imitation of the opposite sex. Your sex is male, and you are a man imitating a woman. Society didn't make you male.
>>43462048You don't even know me. I'm not out here putting on a costume. I'm just a person out there in the world, I'm not performing, I'm not doing anything like what you seem to think.
>>43462056Why are you doing it though? I'm interested in why people behave in the way they do. Don't tell me a spiel about how you know you're a girl inside if you jerk off to AGP stuff and have classic male perversion sexuality.
>>43461966>>43461984I understand that you believe that you were always female. However, no one is obliged to pretend that they agree with your view.>>43462039I didn’t mean to put Bergson here, I just looked up “Jean-Paul Sartre café” and lazily downloaded the first image I saw that I liked>>43462045If society did indeed “beat you down into wearing” a “mask” (adopting an inauthentic behavioural style) “since before [you were] even old enough to remember”, then it should be impossible for you to remember your “original, authentic behavioural style”. Isn’t it more accurate to say that you deliberately *created* an authentic behavioural style through your choices?>>43462048Her sex is female. She has altered her sex through the use of female hormones.
>>43462062Doing WHAT?? I grew out my hair and had my hair lasered off a long time ago, what exactly do you think I'm doing? I'm just a human who is a woman out there in the world. Do you think I'm like a super flamboyant drag queen or something?
>>43462067No I think you're an AGP male and id like for society to address why there's so many young men developing autogynephilia and throwing their lives away. I don't hate you per se for being trans, but I want to solve the disorder so that other children don't end up like this.
>>43462067If you had been born a girl then you wouldn’t have had to laser off your facial hair (unless you had taken testosterone at some point, had PCOS, or had androgenic facial hair for another reason, like if you were Middle Eastern, or something like that).
>>43462066Did the female hormones give him a vagina, uterus, womb, and xx chromosomes? Hrt doesn't change anyone's birth sex.
>>43462066it never went away as hard as they tried to get rid of it. I'm not a weak little victim, I'm a fucking badass, okay? I got myself into a situation of stability and independence and then decided to stop letting fear dictate my life.
>>43462082HRT changes your sex in real-time; it doesn’t retroactively change what your sex was when you were born. Watch this: https://youtu.be/ZymYiwoRoC0
>>43462088Lmao my god what are you people doing in this cesspit? You were determined to be male at birth because your doctor saw your penis and testes and knew within 1 second that you're a boy. You really need to stop believing in these delusions.
In >>43462045, you claim that “society beat [you] down into wearing” a “mask” (adopting an inauthentic behavioural style), but in >>43462086, you claim that your posited “original, authentic behavioural style” “never went away”. Which is it? Be honest.
>>43462104Do you know what a mask is. A mask isn't something that gets glued to your face for the rest of your life. It's something you put on to conceal yourself temporarily.
>>43462093>You were determined to be male at birth because your doctor saw your penis and testes and knew within 1 second that you're a boy.That’s what I’ve been trying to explain to OP for nearly an hour.>You really need to stop believing in these delusions.What “delusions” would those be? Be specific.>>43462109Either you adopted an inauthentic behavioural style (even if you later abandoned it) or you didn’t. Which is it?
>>43462112>Either you adopted an inauthentic behavioural style (even if you later abandoned it) or you didnt?????What difference does it make???
>>43462112All of it. You're not a woman You will never be a woman Most of you talk about using your dicks on women You're not lgbt even. Even that is a farce and a joke. You're men who should identify as heterosexual men with a fetish, and nothing more or less.
>>43462115It’s an extremely simple question, you should be able to answer it.The reason cis people don’t “listen” to you—by which, of course, you mean “believe everything I say without question”—is because you lie.
>>43462123You literally are not even making a point at all lmao I WORE A MASK.. THAT'S WHAT I FUCKING SAID. I WORE IT BECAUSE I HAD TO TO SURVIVE..I WAS A CHILD LIVING IN A WORLD THAT HATED MY FUCKING GUTS AND I KNEW IT FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE. LISTEN TO THE WORDS I SAY YOU FUCKING FUCK!!!
>>43462123Yes, of all people known to be bastions of sincerity and authenticity, only the retarded tranny has the nerve and gall to seek dishonesty for their nefarious goals
>>43462119I have never claimed that I am a woman. I have never claimed that I will be a woman. I have never spoken of using my dick on a woman. I will not identify as heterosexual because I am bisexual. I don’t have any fetishes.You’re not addressing me, you’re addressing the made-up version of me in your head.
>>43462135>I am bisexualFine. Crossdressing is a fetish of bisexual men. I'll change that distinction for you.
>>43462132Yet again you command me to “listen” to what you say while making it obvious that what you actually want me to do is believe everything that you say without question, even if it’s false, contradicts itself, or doesn’t make sense.No. I will not do that, no matter how many times you demand it.>>43462164I have never cross-dressed in my entire life.You’re not addressing me, you’re addressing the made-up version of me in your head.
>>43462172You don't get to tell me that my lived experience was false..what kind of arrogant shit are you to think you can tell me that my own experience in life is fake, like wtf? Who does that?
>>43462172You've chosen to assert yourself as a trans woman in a thread asking why cis people don't believe trans women. Are you not trans?
>>43462176I have never claimed that your “lived experience” was “false” (whatever that means). You’re not addressing me, you’re addressing the made-up version of me in your head.>>43462181I am not trans. I am not a woman. You’re not addressing me, you’re addressing the made-up version of me in your head.
>>43462191Bro you are not even making sense anymore at this point. You have two people on completely different sides of the debate and we both think you sound like a total dumbass rn
>>43462197This is not an argument. Your inability to understand my clear and unambiguous language doesn’t cause any of the claims that I’ve made to be false.
>>43462205Okay girliepop whatever you say
>>43462210Do you have any arguments?
>>43462191Weird strategy for getting replies
>>43462227Do you have anything substantial to say?
>>43462236I've already said it.
about 15% of ppl in a normal society and up to 40% in the most degenerate and antisocial societies (USA, some other 3rd world countries) and psychic vampires who have a psychological need to strangle someone at all times. In the bad old days they'd get a wife and abuse her til she killed herself but women are too well-taught in detecting predators and so they spend their time online attempting to psychologically harm whatever minority they think they can do the most harm to. trannies tend to be neurotic and sensitive and easy to bully - hence the bullying. Your best bet is to understand that the people hurting you are people who like inflicting pain.
>>43461885>>43461903>>43461923>>43462012>>43462067So we’re just supposed to believe that you were born a girl even though, by your own admission, you weren’t? Why should we? Because you insist that your “lived experience” trumps reality? Don’t make me laugh.
>>43462252thistl;dr version they're neurotic hostile lil chimpanzees they see weird tranny chimpanzee and they chimp out oo oo aaa aaaa
>>43462252No, the reason why cis people don’t believe everything that people like OP say without question, even if it’s false, contradicts itself, or doesn’t make sense is because we’re not stupid.
For future reference, OP, people will believe what you say if what you say is true.
>>43462276if you're this poster>>43462255I don't think you seem to fundamentally be hostile to trans people, at least transitioning people, despite your abrasive presentation, I dont think OP is talking about people like youObviously you can have disagreement about minor points like if we were men pre HRT or not (personally I think thats nuanced but you're mostly right)Problem is when people are hostile and disbelieving to us about critical issues, that our birth gender harms us, transition helps us, we generally don't transition for social reasons, we deserve recognition once transitioned, transition changes sex traits, etc
Im hoping that OP goes on to have a nice evening and forgets this useless thread and you keep baiting for engagement, little chud
>>43462302Anon, that person is very obviously a troll I gotta tell ya.. that's why we stopped humoring them.
>>43462302I am not hostile to trans people.OP is specifically talking about me; see the replies to my post >>43461870.A trans woman is, by definition, a woman who used to be a boy.Many, but not all, trans people experience(d) distress at (some or all of) their endogenous sexual characteristics.Medical transition has been shown to improve quality of life and reduce rates of suicide and self-harm in transsexual populations.It is not the case that trans people transition because they were pressured into doing so. Trans people transition because they want to. Trans people often transition despite strong pressure not to.Trans women are women. Trans men are men.In my country (Canada), all citizens have the same rights and freedoms regardless of their sex. I am a law-abiding citizen; I respect the rights and freedoms of my fellow citizens.Medical transition changes a person’s sexual characteristics.>>43462306Not every one who expresses views that you disagree with is a “troll”.
>>43462325I know you aren't hostile. That's why I said I think you aren't. You just come across abrasive in your approach to this subject. I think the general spirit of OP is valid though. We have dedicated freaks like gincel that has created a religion built around considering us to be the #1 threat to gay people and civilization in general. Lots of total freaks out there
>>43462012I’ve already repeatedly stated that you’re a woman, but that’s not enough for you. You demand that I admit that you were born a girl, even though, by your own admission, that’s not true. Why?>>43462305Not every one who expresses views that you disagree with is a “troll” or is “baiting”, for engagement or otherwise.>>43462342Abrasive how?Gincel either doesn’t know that his claims are false or doesn’t care.
>>43461928no offense but whenever someone says that's a "you" problem, it's not. it's literally your problem because you're upset about it.
>>43462066>her sex femaleand yet she's never made a single ovumCan we stop lying about how transwomen are male? If they were female, they'd just be women.
>>43461928"Telling the truth" about what? Wanting to be the opposite sex? Ok, you still aren't though. The truth is sex determines gender. The one and only criteria to be a man is being male. That's it.
>>43464640>>43464738OP’s sex is female whether you like it or not. https://youtu.be/ZymYiwoRoC0
>>43464849Pathetic cope is pathetic. If you need to "transition" you are not what you say you are. Full fucking stop cry about it.
>>43464890OP’s sex is female whether you like it or not. Your attempts to shut me up will never succeed, no matter how coarsely you word them.
>>43464915kek no
>>43461915You got "billnye the science guy" to tell me trans people are biologically the gender they chose.
>>43464980You don’t have any actual arguments.
>>43461915Because pointing to a cat screaming that it's really a dog makes most people not want to trust your judgment.If you were just like "I'm a guy who likes looking like a girl" I could respect that. It's the mental gymnastics that has people annoyed or suspicious of your intentions.
>>43465047Logical arguments are not “mental gymnastics”.
>>43464997There's nothing to argue. Men are male and women are female. That's it. What particular obfuscation does your singular YouTube video yammer on about? Some kind of brain thing I assume? A male with a "feminine brain" is called a faggot.
>>43465119Smartest chud
