it’s only okay if you end up passing

I want to lick that guys (left) tummy. Is that so wrong?

Don't pretend like you have some magic understander buff when it comes to trans people, or that you can tell that they're all secretly just as degenerate and fetish driven as you.

otherwise nobody cares.
>"Makes trans look bad!
Is just smug whining about something that we can't control
>"You're just ruining yourself for an impulse!"
yeah well that's true of most things now, don't make it my problem when your fifteenth lip filler gets infected and it's none of my business
and on and on, who cares what people say is wrong? I'm wondering where the fucking bugs went not whether strangers are trutrans

>>43462557
That's AGP.

>>43462587
Everyone here is a fake trans coomer retard. I've accepted it.

File: Ted_S_IHNMAIMS_ProfImg.jpg (626 KB, 983x1500)

626 KB JPG

obvious bait but: i think there is something to be said wrt not feeling connected to your own sexuality pretrans. as a man i was never a part of my own sexual fantasies, i was either a voyeur to something going on unrelated to me or i put myself in someone elses place, most often (though admittedly not exclusively) a girl or womans place. i viewed myself as something close to picrel, a giant slime/tar monster that no one would, could, or should ever want anything to do with; i was a virgin into my late 20s, i never ever sought out a partner irl and the few people who did make advances on me i turned down.
simply saying to myself "i am a woman" changed my perspective: i might be a freak, but at least i am human that could theoretically take part in human sexuality. actually getting on hrt and aligning my body with my mind kicked that shit into high gear. so no, wearing panties doesn't give me a boner, but when i see how nice my ass looks in them, it makes me feel good, desirable, sexy, and i see no reason why it shouldn't.

>>43462564
this
>>43462587
the fuck are you rambling about

>>43462623
Okay. What happens to a 34 yo repressing AGP?

>>43462632
Not bait, I really feel this way.

>>43462632
Right, exactly. I feel exactly the same way. I knew I was attracted to women, but I didn't feel like I ever really wanted to have sex with one. If I did so, it would only be for the sake her pleasing her. I did manage to get into relationships, but they quickly fell apart because I just didn't have any interest in heterosexualtiy, and women didn't have interest in me. This was, ultimately, because I was never a straight man at all, but a lesbian woman, and I feel enormously more connected with my own body and sexuality now. I only wish I'd transitioned in college. I have luckshit genes and I could have fucking beautiful.

It depends. If you are turned on by being a woman and getting fucked by men it's based. If you want to jerk off to a mirror it's cringe.

>>43463270
What if you are turned on by being a woman and getting fucked by men but are too ugly to experience it

>>43463294
Either put yourself out there or lower your standards

>>43463270
>If you want to jerk off to a mirror it's cringe.
nta but I only started masturbating to my reflection after srs. It's almost as if I developed agp from transition.
>If you are turned on by being a woman and getting fucked by men
That's why I transitioned.

>>43462557
its not fair that white trannies get to look like this with ease

>>43463270
I'm cringe then
But recently it hasn't even been about masturbation, I just look in the mirror, see something feminine about myself and smile uncontrollably

>>43463270
getting fucked by ur bf in front of the mirror is heavenly...

>>43463721
in doggy style, oh yes. In missionary, not really. Or maybe because I prefer to look at him and that makes me feel much better.
t. >>43463450

>>43462564
I'm 5'7" 120lbs and can afford any procedure I want, I have a decent shot I think

That's 98% of trannies so that's normal

>>43463874
have you tried missionary+ceiling mirror?

>>43465225
Yeah, we did. It was awkward, desu. Still kept the mirror but so he can watch when I blow him.
>>43464532
I transitioned for the fetish, effectively.
Stop seeking validations from anons online. Do what you want if you can afford it and brings you joy. Stop when/if it no longer works. Better to regret trying than longing for what if, imo.

>>43462557
picrel is the only post puberty transitioner Ive seen that actually passes

>>43463001
Ray Blanchard, the inventor of AGP, said dysphoric AGPs should transition. Just be courteous and try not to be an optics nuke and keep the agp stuff on the dl and enjoy trooning out.

>>43462557
trannies who actually get to be women make me want kms

>>43466445
lots of trannies get to be ugly women, very few get to be attractive ones though

>>43466515
yes, I would only transition if I could be attractive. But I think I have a really good chance given my stats.

>>43466406
are we sure this is real?

>>43468534
she’s just a luckshit and surgerymaxxer

>>43468534
yes ive seen her in video on a podcast. Even her voice passes fucking luckshit

>>43468588
i went to the same surgeon as her and i still don't pass

>>43468588
>surgerymaxxer
I don't see why that would be a bad thing. Pretty much all tranners should surgerymaxx

>>43468588
>>43468645
name?

>>43468702
at some point there’s diminishing returns and some of us have medical anxiety
>>43468705
idk but shes no-tears-left on leddit

File: 1747495491725268.jpg (2 MB, 2400x1920)

2 MB JPG

>>43468778
>at some point there’s diminishing returns and some of us have medical anxiety
it also depends on luck, but it's really depressing how i'm like the only patient who went to that surgeon who ended up not being a gigapassoid and everyone else (well, aside from lilytino) who goes to him ends up being a supergigapassoid like her. then again, this is the what this person looked BEFORE ffs, i don't think she needed much done, luckshit hairline too

>>43468778
>idk but shes no-tears-left on leddit
holy fuck, well apparently she's had FFS and rib contouring surgery so it makes a little more sense, but still wtf

>>43468859
i cant imagine DB didnt make you a passoid at least, unless you asked for the lilly tino treatment

>>43462557
did she get rib removal?

>>43468909
>>43468865
>rib contouring surgery
oh yeah thought so

>>43468899
i get misgendered sometimes, not often but it does happen. she was already a passoid before ffs and i was a hon so it's apples to oranges desu

>>43468859
She only really had aggressive work on the jaw which is a lot less likely to look uncanny than nose and forehead

>>43462632
What's it like to feel desirable?

>>43466445
>>43466515
This is how I know troons are a fetish. It doesn't even enter into the realm of possibility for them that some women are just ugly and don't get to live life as a pampered sex object. It devastates them when they learn it.

>>43468967
i think her forehead work was also pretty aggressive but the bigger truthnuke about ffs is that it's only effective when your overall facial proportions would not preclude you from passing and you are instead precluded from passing by having one or two clocky features. for example for her, it was her forehead from the side and her jaw/chin. i think most decent ffs surgeons would have been able to turn her into a gigapassoid, even someone like ft.

if your facial proportions (most of which ffs just doesn't really touch) aren't in the female range, you'll still look clocky to some people. the reason it used to be easier to pass is that in the past, people used to pay attention to the clear markers associated with gender/sex like hair and clothes, but with all the trans awareness stuff people have shifted to being able to notice more and more subtle features (brow bone/forehead/hairline), but now we're kind of undergoing a shift where people will go off facial proportions even more. this does lead to cis women being clocked because there's actually a lot more variance on the extreme ends of it
>>43469263
>some women are just ugly and don't get to live life as a pampered sex object
having spoken to ugly cis women who get occasionally misgendered, most of them also feel pretty devastated and invalidated by it happening. i don't really know what point you're trying to make. i don't really care for being a sex object or whatever else, i just don't like anyone seeing me as a man, just like cis women with unfortunate facial and body proportions also kinda hate it. if anything, the morale of this is that the modern beauty standards and lookism, which which passing is often linked with, kinda hurt everyone.

>>43469263
they're like any woman, expecting more than they deserve

>>43470220
makes FTMs come off as more valid and respectable desu

>>43462557
It turns me on to imagine living in the reality where I pass

>>43472277
ofc, it's hot to imagine yourself as hot, I think that goes for anyone

>>43462557
>I want to transition because it turns me on.
I wanna face fuck trannies who transition and look like,Lord I wanna fuck that face.

>>43469340
i agree with you but

> i just don't like anyone seeing me as a man, just like cis women with unfortunate facial and body proportions also kinda hate it. if anything, the morale of this is that the modern beauty standards and lookism, which which passing is often linked with, kinda hurt everyone.

is not true, the truth is being ugly/looking like a man are the same thing. the ugliest women have an ogre/orc like appearance due to excessive masculinisation. whereas prettiness and beauty is the opposite of that for the most part. there is nothing wrong with wanting to be pretty because it is directly tied to how much of a woman you are socially and is rooted in biology. why be ashamed of that? life is so much better when you are attractive.

>>43476440
>the truth is being ugly/looking like a man are the same thing.
YOUR truth, gynephile.

>>43464532
just dont cut off your dick or else your value would plummet. you will never be a woman but you can be hot bitch boy. i would personally drop a load or two inside your boy pussy

>>43476440
Women with some masculinity and development to their face are far better looking than highly feminine faces.

>>43473862
No, I wanna be hot and be a whore tht fucks 100000 men. bitch.

>>43476933
i think that used to be the case until tiktok and porn rotted people's brain to a point where they're clocking cis women on the basis of their faces being too masculine and traits that were once considered good and signaled development now tend to be discarded in favor of things like fairly extreme neoteny

>>43469263
It's not that, it's that If I'm going to be ugly and hate my body anyways why go through all the money and broken interpersonal relationships when b you can just stuck it up and be an ugly man and not get laughed at or beaten up.

If it's over regardless just take the path thats going to fuck you over less.