I you think you're a twinkhon, you're a hon. If you think you're a passoid, you're a twinkhon. And if you think that you're a hon, I got bad news: you're actually a gigahon.Story time ...>be me>finally socially transition after 6 years of hrt>voice train, figure out my style, hair, skincare, everything>my cisf and trans friends hugbox me, praise me>say I look great and pass>finally bite the bullet and start girlmoding full time>no longer just at night going to very lib/queer places or very crowded places>everyone is obviously aware im a tranny>not necessarily negative reactions but they all know>patronizing smiles, being visibly uncomortable, or finding me amusing>parents visibly keeping their children close as I walk past them>get told how "brave" I am from time to time by random women>get looked at with a mix of hatred and horny by random men>confusing the kids>old people just straight up staring at me like im not a real person>dudes hitting on me in a very direct way like they assume im eager to have sex with them>my friends still insist i look great and passI honestly tried to be the best twinkhon I can be but now I'm realizing I'm just a hon. Idk why I bother. Living as a man sucked, but at least I was invisible and no one bothered me. Now I apparently exist to entertain the fucking normies.
Reminder that neuroticism doesn't make you pass any better than you already do.
>>43464882There are plenty of people who are BDD passoids who think they're hons. I know a girl who is like >Waaah waaah my bideltoid is 15.5" I'm such a hon waaah waaahshe's 5'6"
you do realize that twinkhons ARE hons, right? like, hon and twinkhon are not mutually exclusive categories. all twinkhons are hons but not all hons are twinkhons type beat. the flanderization of twinkhon by chasers and agamps was truly a disaster
twinkhons are still hons they’re just cute. a hon means you don’t pass as female. a twinkhon is a trans woman who looks like a twink with tits
None of you could withstand a 30 point anatomical and psychological examination from a panel of 15 radical feminist doulas and gynecologists
>>43465175>with titslol. lmao even.
>>43465122>>43465175large hairy hon hands typed this
>>43464882bait is improving. thank you mossad
>>43465207my hands do be hairy u caught me. they're not that big though they're about normal size i think
this isnt a problem if you dress like a man
>>43465177neither could a cis woman they suspect of being trans lolhonestly think there have been more circumstances of terfs calling cis women trans than calling trans women trans
>>43464882literally dont care if my partner(s) think im hot also never understood why people care about passing to randoms i could not care less the entire point of transition for me is to align outward appearance with what you want to attract
>>43466066its like telling alt girls with those septum rings and short colored hair that theyre repellent unattractive. yeah to you, thats the point??
>>43466066>also never understood why people care about passing to randomsBecause I desire to be treated as seen as a woman socially and not to upend social norms
>>43466105>sociallyyou are social with random people on the street??>not to upend social normsyeah i never understood that either>alt girls with those septum rings and short colored hairi mean i do regularly greymanmode but thats different
>>43464882Imagine transitioning expecting to pass lol LMAO evenIt's 100% on you for ever listening to reddithons and hugboxers. Either go into this expecting to never pass and everyone knowing what you are, or don't do it at all. Transitioning is to alleviate dysphoria even if only mildly. You'll never be a real woman. None of us will. Be content with whatever changes you get and make the most of it or don't even bother>inb4 i-I p-PaSsWhen was your last pap smear?
>>43466152>you are social with random people on the streetYes being a passing woman means that random people on the street hold doors and strike up conversatiom with me
>>43466543people hold doors for me but I don't pass so idk what's up with that
>>43466555Maybe you pass? Tbh I dont think I pass but then some random makes some gendered remark and it reminds me that I pass better than I think.
>>43466588I do not fucking pass my shoulders are huge and I have a wide/flared hon jaw
>>43466608Your body passes and your hair reads female retard. Unless you look like a caveman face you pass
>>43466636My body does not pass and I feel like I look way worse now for some reason, like my upper body is more loudly than it was when I took this pic a few months ago.
>>43466636Also I have Charlie Kirk face with expanded facial planes. Something like 141mm bizygomatic width. Posted my eyes in the eye thread but not gonna post the rest of my face here.
>>43464902The funny part about this is that I'm not sure if you are talking about me or that other girl that we also both know but i am actually a gigahon5'6 = pass or even much easier to pass is a complete psyop why are we spreading it I'm 5'6 + postffs and it's irrelevant it's literally over for meYou at least pass when you smile
>>43464902This is literally you btw>>43466675
>>43466718I'm not talking about you because I actually understand where you're coming from. I definitely don't pass when I smile (and it often makes it worse).I'm specifically talking about Ms. 15.5" bideltoid.
>>43466749my bideltoid is 18.2" >.>
Don't engage with the bdd passoid attention whore namefag
>>43466801I am not a passoid but I will admit that at least some of my issues are BDD and I think it's partly because I'm a weirdo who has some AAP
>>43464902>15.5" bidelt and 5'6"i should really rope huh>t. 17" bidelt at 5'5"
>>43466930The big thing is bideltoid/hip breadth ratio but having a 15.5" bideltoid is actually kind of insane. That's tiny even by cisf standards. What's your BMI?
>>4346695319i've made multiple threads before which you've replied to snoy
>>43466967ah okThat's like 80th percentile for women so not THE worst but unideal and you need hips to carry you
>>43466996yes i know idk if you've seen this picture of me b4
>>43467019How baggy are those shorts?Honestly you have incredibly wide/tall iliac crests so that's making the judgment harder. You would look really good in a dress with a high hemline I think.
>>43464882if you think you are a gigahon, you are a manif you think you are a femboy, you are a manif you think you are a twink, you are a manif you think you are a man, you are a chadif you think you are a chad, you are a gigachadif you think you are a gigachad, you are a woman
i know im a moided moder. bitches be like "its not that bad you are brainwormed" up until they see a pic then its "beauty standards this", "masculine cis women that", telling me that wanting to shave my browbone is racism despite none of the women in my family having my specific profile
>>43464882>dudes hitting on me in a very direct way like they assume im eager to have sex with themfufufufu that is gOoDdo your duty as a tRaNnYpLeAsE yOuR cHaSeRs!fufufufu yessss you eXiSt tO pLeAsE tHe ChAsEr fufufufu
>>43467019Also your ribcage looks great. Imo ygmi.
>>43467103mood
>>43467049not very but not particularly tight either, it's bone anyway i don't have much fat
>>43467149How long on E?
>>434671715 in photo 8 now
>>43467185Months?What's your lifestyle like? Diet, exercise, etc? This is less a question of "will you make it" (the answer is yes) and more "what have you done so far".
>>43467232monthsmy lifestyle is me sitting at home ordering Uber eats to hit at least 1500 calories and playing valoranti don't exercise
>>43464882just fyi, if you transition at any age past like 12 and you don't get ffs then yes you will always be clocked
>>43467261Eating a healthy, well rounded diet of low complex carbs, high protein, high unsaturated fat + regular exercise will do a lot for you. I recommend lots of broccoli, carrots, eggs, and greek yogurt. Cardio and targeted glute exercise will help as well. Consider outfit styles that you might be interested in. Also try and see if you can snag a bf or gf or something who will encourage social development. >>43467265Except for certain luckshits yes
>>43467331thanksi have a bf and he's great, but i wish he'd bully me more
>>43466543also things i dont want/care for idk maybe im not really trans and am cis man on hrt or nb is real or maybe gothpunk is a gender? maybe im actually fluid? fuck if i know
honestly passing is easier than people here imagine and the reverse of OPs post is true for most girls here.the reason OP did not pass is because they boymoded and avoided socially transitioning. it was her first time in girlmode. it is vanishingly rare to pass right away. it is unfortunate but true that learning the weird little things that take you from clocky to passing requires practice you can only get in full time girlmode for 99% of people. you avoided the necessary humiliation ritual for so long that you thought you could dodge it entirely. sorry nona. you will pass too soon enough as many before you have.
>>43467347Awwww let him love you instead of bully you. Happy for you. Ygmi and you're gonna be a very pretty wife some day.
>>43467380aww thanks, i'll try my best thank you for the advice i hope things work out for you too
litrally only care if women(and cute men, who i am attracted to) look(up) at me and think/say "daddy" if they dont that counts as passing and im g2gt. 6'4 twinkmoid
>>43467399Thanks as wellBe kind to yourself. You have a bright future ahead of yourself. Are you in college or employed or anything?
>>43467331>Eating a healthy, well rounded diet of low complex carbs, high protein, high unsaturated fat + regular exercise will do a lot for you. >I recommend lots of broccoli, carrots, eggs, and greek yogurt. Cardio and targeted glute exercise will help as well.it does so much. cutting added sugar and refined carbs completely eliminated acne and mid day fatigue and fucking around and binging donuts one time after months made me break out immediately and go into a carb coma. cardio also helps with insomnia more than drugs
>>43467428I felt amazing when I did regular exercise but COVID kicked my ass so hard that I never really recovered. I hope I can get back to that point though and see if I do any better because that was around when I started transitioning.
>>43467427repeating a year of school, so about to enter my last year before uni after summeri work part time, otherwise i wouldn't be able to fund my Uber eats addiction
>>43467468study hard!
>>43467265i got ffs and i dont pass >>43466718ffs is the biggest lie on the planetif you needed it to pass you wont pass after
>>43467369and this is a fucking psyop too kys no amount of effort/surg can make someone pass
>>43467548yeah yeah people that here say all the time. its cope sorry nonaare you boymoding
>>43467569i boymode but i voicepass and 100% have feminine mannerisms irl ppl i know comment on them since im ostensibly a moid even though they all know im a fucking trooni girlmode on dates and i dont think ive gotten shit from randoms about it but it's still genuinely humiliatingwhy would i girlmode if i dont pass are you fucking retarded
>>43465299Yep, it's an endless contraction of acceptability. They're endlessly in need of new dangers to justify their insane reaction, so any woman that isn't a model inevitably becomes an enemy, the only escape is to have immediately jumped onto the wagon and channeled the feminine jealousy and self righteousness of an ugly winemom into adopted bigotry
>>43467535i didn't say ffs will always make you pass, i said not getting ffs will guarantee you will get clocked
>>43467643truly TERFs have the same worms as tranniesMany are cishons and many are AAP>>43467627Can confirm this girl voicepasses and is also a soulpassoid even if she's a bit of a chud
>>43467651im 5'6 and voicepass and soulpass/mannerpass if ffs doesnt make me pass it will certainly not make anytranny pass when my biggest issue was face before and after ffs (aside from being preop srs i guess)
>>43467627you boymode and so you are actively trying not to pass. why girlmode? so you can pass. lol.>why bother practicing socer before i'm pro are you fucking retardedno nona you are retarded sorry queen
>>43467682>>43467675both of you give sweaty online weirdo when using terms like this. it would be good for you to unlearn this habit if you want to pass as a normal person let alone a woman. i once had someone approach me irl and call herself a socialisationhon after she clocked me from this website and i wanted to kms. do not be like her
>>43467705being a manlet in a dress doesn't make u a woman or help u be seen as a woman btw cis women are seen as women with lazy buns in a hoodie no makeup
>>43467715why do you think i speak like this irl??? i'm the same as you in terms of cringing when ppl bring 4chanspeak to publicbut we are on 4chan right now, do as the romans do etc
>>43467715The time on this website very quickly destroyed my vocabulary and ability to resemble a normal human being.Legitimately it took less than half a year for me to end up like this.
>>43467719objectively if you want to get better at something you do it more. if you want to get better at passing you try to pass by girlmoding. if you boymode you are practicing not passing.
>>43465177>>43466442There are layers to it though. and the further you get the better your life probably is.I don't think there's a large difference in quality of life between mostly passing fully passing (to everyone except your gynecologist, perhaps).It's definitely not necessary to figure out how to spawn a cervix.I did this willing to risk becoming super conspicuous in daily life. That I didn't is a miracle. But I understand why people don't want to end up hons.Also what's your obsession with subjecting people to unnecessary and invasive medical exams?>>43467535FFS has limits but I have met people who would probably pass were it not for features FFS can fix.>>43467715>i once had someone approach me irl after she clocked me from this websiteOne sentence horror story holy fuck.
>>43467732because i have hung out with insecure aggressive self loathing 4chan trannies like you irl plenty of times, i can smell it on you>>43467762>One sentence horror story holy fuck.it happened twice and one was fine and the other was exactly as bad as you would imagine
>>43467750ya i mean i guess but i dont think that being better at it puts you over the edge of passing >>43467762that means that they already essentially pass >>43467791your assumptions about me are weird
>I'm a hon hence you're all hons???Never went out to queer places as they don't exist here
we need to start killing trannies that talk about "passing" when they arent even fulltime girlmode. on any fucking contact with reality you become acutely aware of your status in society. literally everything is a psyop because you are using words to describe appearances and detatching it from reality a layer. Of course this is all ephemeral bullshit.
>>43467854girl pls you told me to kys and referred to yourself as soul passing. its like smearing yourself in shit then being surprised when someone assumes you are a shit eater>ya i mean i guess but i dont think that being better at it puts you over the edge of passingthis is cope sorry, for 99% of people the difference between passing and not passing is time in girlmode living like any other woman. you don't understand what passing is like>>43467902based and true
>>43468086do u think women don't do that it leads me to believe you dont know what women are like unfiltered especially when they're youngmaybe you only know women in a sanitized environment when they are all just trying to get through the day and they dont want to call out the obvious tranny bc its confrontational
>>43468140see this is what i mean, you immediately go to calling me clocky and get on the defensive. i do know plenty of cis women who are agro yeah but i don't hang out with them either. if a cis woman irl told me to kms i would never speak to her again lol, and i think any normal well adjusted woman would feel the same way
i live assuming everybody knowsi hate mentioning it or addressing it at all
>>43464882>full timedual role transvestite crossie lollll
>>43468371samei feel like this is the most mature way to go about itassume people know, and neither of you need to bring it up to one another
>>43466930noooo i hate this cartoon i look exactly like that face without my glasses!! also i am short with massive shoulders
>>43468371same tbhon, i'm an ffs manmoder, i mostly live assuming that everyone just sees me as a male with gyno and with weird hair. it's brootal>>43467902>when they arent even fulltime girlmodethere's no such thing as girlmoding, you either pass or you don't>>43467535>if you needed it to pass you wont pass afteryeah trvth supernova desu, i went to one of the best surgeons in the us and still i don't pass
>>43468486>there's no such thing as girlmoding, you either pass or you don'tokay ffs manmoder male with gyno and with weird hair
>>43468486>manmoding>i go out of my way to look like a man>why don't i passstate of this board
>>43468560>>43468542Tbf the goal of passing is to just go out in a t shirt and jeans and be gendered as a woman
>>43468595you don't know anything about passing if you manmode. even if you're going out in jeans and a t shirt theres more to passing than just time on hrt and surgeries. for some that will be enough but for most it won't. repressing as a man with gyno because you're too scared to girlmode and get clocked is pathetic i think.
>>43468542when i say manmoder, i mostly mean that i dress in a masculine way that has enough plausible deniability to say that this is how a cis man would dress. i think this is what most people mean by manmoding, and it's actually detached from how well you pass or not. i don't pass because i got misgendered twice last year and i may have gotten misgendered once this year though i'm not 100% sure>>43468560i wouldn't say i go out of my way to look like a man
>>43468621I used to honmode and fagmode a lot and some of my girlmoding experiences were really nice but I got burnt out and idk how to recover. I remember when I went to a club in a nice dress and danced with a guy almost half a year ago and basically falling in love with him and while I was open with being a tranny (and obviously was) I was still scared to make a move.
>>43468621>even if you're going out in jeans and a t shirt theres more to passing than just time on hrt and surgerieswhat else is there to it? i don't think mannerisms are a thing, either surgery, hair removal and hrt makes you look like a woman or it doesn't. you could argue that finding a good style for your body could push you over the edge if you're almost there but i don't think cis women or passoids need to do that in most cases>too scared to girlmode and get clockedyeah because getting clocked in girlmode would be depressing, at least if i get misgendered while manmoding, it's much easier to cope with
>>43468623Okay if it's only twice a year that's some BDD stuff. Cis people get misgendered on occasion as well.
>>43468623kill yourself
>>43468623girlie i hate to break it to you but you pass fine and the ambiguity you (possibly never even) experienced is because you dress and act ambiguously. get over yourself and leave this website.>>43468665>how to recoverleave this website>>43468671>i don't think mannerisms are a thingwell they are sorry>you could argue that finding a good style for your body could push you over the edge if you're almost therethis is huge and a big reason why jeans and a t shirt (manmoder) is different to jeans and a t shirt (passoid). as an example >>43468623 is likely someone like this who would just deadass live as a woman if she grew a pair and stopped trying to confuse people.>yeah because getting clocked in girlmode would be depressing, at least if i get misgendered while manmoding, it's much easier to cope withyeah it sucks but plenty of braver trannies did it for a while and most of them will pass eventually because of it. boymoding is stalling yourself because you can't handle discomfort. you learn a lot about yourself, both for the sake of passing but also learning a lot of resilience and self worth, from accepting you might get clocked and doing it anyway. i got clocked plenty early transition and it was sometimes sad but mostly just like, not as big of a deal as i feared it would be. now im stealth. i would still be living in a closet (that is what boymode is) if i avoided that discomfort entirely.
>>43466608I love your hair texture so much! That's like my ideal hair lol. Also cute phone caseIf that's not enough to pass then I'm really ngmi lol. I think you look good, obviously idk your face, but your shoulders and frame look fine to me.btw you are always so kind from the bit I've lurked
>>43468772I did leave for like a month at one point and rejoined to make a hopefuel greentext but didn't leave again after that
>>43468789How dare you call me kind! I am mean! I am nasty!But thank you. I have a hard time accepting compliments. Way worse than I did as a guy. Sometimes I wonder if my issue is that I'm actually an autoandrophile and that by transitioning I made myself worse.
>>43468791yeah you're like an eating disorder person coming back to the eating disorder forum to post about how much you've been eating. this place is full of losers who know nothing about passing desu. its a self image issue factory and little else. go make some real friends. at the very least drop the name so you get less of a narc dopamine rush from this place
>>43468837sometimes I try and uplift othersBut yeah it's bad Better than reddit though unironically Which was a habit I picked up right before starting HRT
>>43468857its not better than reddit and you are trying to uplift others in a way that is hurting you. this post is pure cope. that said i used to be the same as you so i know you won't listen. but using this board is part of the ways you hold yourself back and so is not unrelated to the reason you are stuck boymoding or whatever.
>>43468837also I really really really like fagslop I used to enjoy it ironically in high school or whatever when I would see it secondhandodd how I didn't realize I was a faggot until college thodespitey'know praying to God to not be gay as a little 12yo chudling after I imagined myself getting railed by a guy in my bed
>>43468903shut up i didn't ask. see >>43468882. stop boymoding and go make friends irl. you won't ofc
>>43468882I started boymoding again after like an entire year of fag/honmoding because I was driving myself insane, unfortunately. Like I was not okay. I needed the break. I felt awful and like a horrible imposter.
>>43468923I had friends! I made a lot of them. I just broke. I broke really badly. Maybe Dutasteride is causing the issue or something since it's coincides with other stuff. But I even went back to see old college friends while full girlmoding and I broke down crying that I was just a guy because whenever I was she/her'd I would internally correct them.
>>43468815We're really just making stuff up at this point huh. "I really liked girlmoding" but somehow "I'm actually an autoandrophile." Girl I think you just have no self-esteem or confidence, I'm similar and can't accept compliments either.I can relate to that at least, I've been too anxious lately to still girlmode in public even though I liked it. I think it genuinely would help to take a break from here though.>>43468882It really takes a toll on you to uplift people on a place where everyone only ever dooms. I think it's really admirable you want to, but you will only get dragged down from being here.
>>43468962Other times I've absolutely loathed girlmoding, and I do get genuine AAP feelings from my singing voice. I was like this weird kinda chubby football player build in high school and a deep bass singer and that actually made me able to live after being horrifically depressed so idk what's really up. Also transitioning was preceded by prolonged contact with my AGP sister because I was helping take care of her and I kept having intrusive thoughts of stealing some of her HRT.
>>43469008if you can enjoy topping and/or being dominant then going AAP route may be worthwhile. but masculine MOG culture and balding sucks.
>>43469465I don't know if I can enjoy topping. It's scary now. Maybe before I could have but something went wrong. Dominance itself is also weird. I felt guilty feeling dominant, but it was nice at other times. A big issue I have is that I feel so absurdly top heavy now (compared to when I was a fat moid) that I often get distressed just doing things like washing dishes. I think growing up overweight insulated me from this kind of dysphoria while also making my body so much worse.
>>43469532are you hitting legs on e? losing the fat is a W regardless of image.
>>43469570No. Honestly physical activity in general is often distressing for the reasons I outlined.
>>43464882And if someone thinks he's a gigaturbomegahon 9000 DX?
>>43465122>the flanderization of twinkhon by chasers and agamps was truly a disasterDo you ever have the experience where you read a sentence and you're just like, where the fuck am I, why do I understand this language?
>>43467103>bitches be like "its not that bad you are brainwormed" up until they see a pic then its "beauty standards this", "masculine cis women that"kek, relatable
>>43467715>i once had someone approach me irl and call herself a socialisationhon after she clocked me from this website and i wanted to kms. do not be like herhow t actual f does this occur, hwhat do you MEAN Flash Gordon voice she clocked you from this website
>>43468678LMAO you can't actually believe the average cis person gets misgendered twice a year
>>43468791>rejoined to make a hopefuel greentextHow it's going: >>43468665
>>43471880Yeah, maybe like some super butch cis lesbian, but not the average cis person at all, they don’t get misgendered ever
>>43466543>random people on the street hold doors and strike up conversatiom with meyeah but consider this: is it really random 'people' or random men?
>>43471949My niece claims she gets misgendered sometimes. I find it hard to believe. She's 5'0".
>>43472299Lmao, what does she attribute being repeatedly mistaken for a burly man to? Her earrings?
>patronizing smiles, being visibly uncomfortable, or finding me amusing>parents visibly keeping their children close>get told how "brave" I am>Get looked at with a mix of hatred and horny by random men>Old people just straight up staring at meWhat does it mean if most of these things happen to me, but they also happen when I boymode? I think people look more uncomfortable when im boymoding in fact
>>43473249>Get looked at with a mix of hatred and horny by random menfufufufu you could find a chaser, HONEY
>>43473139>burly manI dunno TDS has definitely changed things. I don't think you have to look like a man in a dress to get misgendered by assholes anymore.She hasn't told me what she thinks causes it and I haven't asked. She has a couple features this board would probably clock her for but she doesn't look remotely male.
