I been seeing it on xitter for a while now but lets be real, trans men can't actually hold privilege over trans women can they? not in any way that matters at least. they can't be "oppressors", they can be annoyances and bigoted, but there is nothing a trans man could do to actually put down a trans woman. even a really well passing, gymbro type trans man, would probably get the brakes beat out of them by the average trans woman. like trans men as actual oppressors is just full on LARP.
>>43466860Trans men who are abusers will use transmisogyny of cis people to argue their tfem partners were evil muscular rapehons whereas they are themselves innocent and kind-hearted boys in order to avoid getting called out by their partners.Some trans men also believe being misogynistic is gender affirming, even more so towards trans women because it is socially accepted.Reminder that this whole discourse started after a trans woman called out her ex trans male partner for having abused her.
I would get bodied by my trans masc friendsI've done arm wrestling and moved furniture around with them and they are many times stronger than me despite being my size (5'4 150lb)excluding my 2 trans masc friends who are anorexic at 120 lbs obviously
i don't know why you believe the root of oppression is how well you personally suspect two people might do in a fightaside from that >>43466916 is true and before leaving trans spaces entirely i had some people irl try to socially murder me for denying a trans man could be 'transfem'. i was excommunicated from the only social group i had at the time and was left to figure things out as a marginalised tranny without any support. it was really dumb and relied on a fabricated outrage centered on who people imagine to be vulnerable vs who actually is. was it a big deal? idk it sucked but it was ultimately fine. but it does happen and it is exclusively aimed at trans women.
>>43466860It's all about passing + appearancebeautiful twinkhons command social power over most pooners but most pooners hold power over hons Stealth passoids are basically cis
>>43466916it kinda feels like you are all going like "they are treating us like black/brown men!" in the sense that they cannot oppress you physically but with status. thing is, black men actually do get repressed by social factors. the worse trans women get from trans men is online bullying at worst. and i guess in real life the whole afab housing shit? but that seems like such a first world, city dweller issue and even then i bet its way less common that yall make it out to be. no way libbed up cities would allow trans women to get treated like that. and libbed up coastal cities is the only place i can thing trans only housing would be happening at all, everywhere else you would just settle for whatever. again, LARP.
>>43466951>i don't know why you believe the root of oppression is how well you personally suspect two people might do in a fightmost of this convo involves white trans women vs white trans men so yeah its kinda like, whatever.
>>43466988>the worse trans women get from trans men is online bullying at worstA woman friend of mine got beat up repeatedly by a trans man who was 4'11 with little repercussion, but ok
>>43467037no offense but at that point, that seems like a self made issue. unless your friend was a literal dwarf.
The thing about this argument, is that both the trans women AND trans men sound like MRAs lol. Trans men with all that "well misandry isn't real but transmisandry is! fucking bitch I do NOT have to be chivalrous to you, you dumb foid!" while trans women are going like "These fucking bitches are using their foid privilege to call me a hulking beast rapist!". I think both should be more normal about men and women. Woke cis people are not like this.
>>43467015i think for me its like the sort of transmisogyny described in this thread is real and does suck and in some specific ways can lead to material harm. in my instance for example it did mean i was shunned from what was some sort of community even if it sucked and that did make things more precarious to me. i was fine in that i was able to find my way without it but im sure the more pathetic amongst us would have been in hot water from that experience. but i see it more as like how the transmisogyny (or just simply misogyny) that exist in the world outside of trans 'communities' filters down and effects them. i struggle to really say with my chest that trans men hold the same sort of structural position over trans women as, say, a cis man holds over those who are not a cis man. or a white person holds over a white person. its like this stuff is real and does have impacts but i sort of generally agree with you that its missing the forest for the trees to attribute it to something inherent to trans manhood
>>43467175i would say a form of trans misogyny from trans men that happened although it didn't like cause material harm, was tumblr as a whole. it catered so much to the trans men side of things that the site ended up being like 90% trans men and 10% trans women, which impacted the way trans issues are discussed online cause tumblr was like, THE woke site. and so you ended up with trans women having to rely on sites that really weren't the best for them, such as no offense, this here 4chan, fetishy subreddits, groomercords, ect, which itself affected the mental health of trans women, not that tumblr was some pure nonsexual place it was anything but actually, but having a woke staff and a mostly woke userbase did help in at least not being exposed to the things a lot of trans women online had to get exposed to. its like the online version of the afab housing, but real. it wasn't explicitly enforced and yet it happened still.
>>43467256i can see what you're saying even if i suspect some of it is a bit ahistorical and more about fitting things into this narrative. for example i think its not really true that most trans women, particularly at the height of tumblr MOGAI gender stuff, posted in /tttt/ or places with a similar vibe. and i think those of us who did, did so for other reasons (such as the site being popular in dorky teenage boy circles when we were younger). that said i get what you're saying and think if that were true, then its like what i said. it is an expression of wider societal transmisogyny and not an example of trans men holding any systemic sort of power over us. and more importantly its the internet and so doesn't rly matter materially, at least not in a way that can be tracked to the actions of trans men.
>>43466860>even a really well passing, gymbro type trans man, would probably get the brakes beat out of them by the average trans woman...what? why on earth do you think this?
