theyre chill for the most part they just misgender me and deadname me a lot.

>>43470952
they haven’t noticed anything

They don’t know, when they do I will most likely have to go no contact

>>43470952
None of them really talk to us anymore ;~;

>>43470979
>>43470980
>>43470986
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>>43470964
How long have you been transition? thats common at early

>>43471007
>How long have you been transition? thats common at early
i came out 5 years or so ago

>>43471007
3yrs hrt and they haven’t said a word, and I visit them like once a month

>>43470952
I thankfully already looked feminine, so nobody really says anything, but I think some have noticed changes. Gonna have to cut them off at some point because my mom's a religious comphet lesbian and my dad's a trump republican with a tranny fetish, so no chance they'll ever be cool with their dumbass transbian kid

>>43470952
Haven't told them, but I have a feeling they know and won't acknowledge it unless I say something.

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>>43470952
They didnt. I moved to the other side of the country and forgot they existed.

>>43470952
they ask a bunch of related questions, i dont answer or deflect and they know im a tranny but dont have the courage to call me out
5 years like this

I am not out but i think they are sus but i could just be imaging things .

my dad didnt speak to me for a decade
mum tries to control every aspect of my life
my brother is chill and doesn't care

>>43470952
I don’t do it or bring it up and remain silent and do not react when it is discussed at dinners or in the news and they pay for my college, don’t kick me out, and leave me in the inheritance

Well I suppose good? My brother is training me to be his structural drifter. Autocad is pretty neat honestly. Kind like blender for houses

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>>43470952
my mom freaked out when she found my hrt and made me tell her what is was because she thought it was drugs. then told my whole family and now they're all weird to me. I'm no contact with her now for other reasons. my dad found out from her and made a comment about how he disapproves but won't stop me, and we haven't talked about it again in two years. we have a good relationship but it makes me sad knowing that's how he feels. probably just gonna boymode forever so it all doesn't even matter.

>>43470952
1.2 years hrt-repping, main visible feature is that my tits poke out, some have seen my bra straps
i haven't said anything and neither has family, still referred to as male but trannys aren't exactly a common thing where i live so the whole concept is a little outlandish
they might realize something is up but are out of politeness waiting for me to bring it up

>>43470952
my mom called the cops because I was dIYing and I havent talked to her in 10 years.
my dad got me an appointment with an endo and I love him more than anyone in the world.
my brother is cool but he lives far away now.

>>43470952
it's a mixed bag
some are supportive
some aren't
my father kept trying to warn me of the dangers of what i'm doing by citing fox news shit but i somehow convinced him to stop bothering after a while
he did say he will never call me his daughter though because that would mean he would be condoning my sins so by proxy he'd be sinning himself

>>43470952
my immediate family doesn't say anything about it, my sisters called me gay and stuff but i dont think they know yet, they're all just kinda disgusted at me even if they dont know/dont say anything about me being a tranny
my family who sees me less have all said vague things about me being happier and more myself but not specifically about me being trans so i assume noones noticed other than im happier and my eyes have some life in them, even if my transition has gone terrible

>>43470952
Mine have been doing a decent job at being good people and supportive, however they do still accidentally misgender and deadname me which I don’t really understand because it’s been a few years and I’m a complete passoid now, I guess they probably don’t actually see me as a woman, what more can you expect from cissoids I guess

my mom heard a couple people call me by not my deadname and made it clear she did not fuck with it so i'm still repping

>>43470952
my mom tried her best but still deadnames and misgenders me most of the time. It actually ends up sounding strange when she gets it right
my brother has declared he will not use my new name and pronouns until I pass. Nice to have a barometer I guess
my aunt was super cool about it and we went to a makeup party together
my uncle, total redneck, said "somehow I always knew that about you" and gave me a hug
my dad died shortly after I started HRT. I never got to tell him. I miss him
I want to tell my grandma, especially as she was accepting of my cousin coming out as nonbinary, but she's a state away, I cant find the words for a letter, and I don't want to do it over the phone

for that matter, most of my cousins haven't heard yet. I should really find out which ones I'm never talking to again

>>43470952
I dont have a family

>>43470952
they're 100% against it but decided against disowning me reasoning that it wouldn't stop me from transitioning. I buy hormones under family insurance, and still live with them. I boymode 100% of the time per my dad's request. I feel empty inside a lot, and I'm deadnamed daily but it's better than many many people's experiences and I still have a good relationship with my parents despite being transgender

>>43471235
twinning

>Not come out
>Brother is anti trans
>his arguments are good and convincing and he's making me second guess my HRT
What do?

>dad
not retarded so after a brief learning phase he's really chill. he's even prescribed me hrt during a period when I was switching doctors.

>mom
tries her best because she knows that if she doesn't then our relationship is over (unrelated trauma as a kid), has questionable takes about the trans community befitting a cis woman in her 60s, ik she doesn't quite see me as a woman.

>>43473436
what arguments?

>>43470952
its just my mom and sister and they have both been accepting but my sister teases me about it

>>43473445
There's a lot so it's hard to pull one out of my head at random.
His main point of view is that you can't change your sex or gender tho, and he tends to argue it well. I can try and take his role if you want to help me get the ball rolling? No presure tho

>>43473452
>you can't change your sex
that's just true, but it's also not a good reason to not take hrt

when i was a kid i lived 'as a girl' because my parents let me do whatever i wanted and i didn't like being seen as a boy and they were chill about it. as i got older they started insisting i cut my hair and stop wearing girls clothes and sent me to an all boys school though. about 16 years ago i told my mom that i didn't feel much like a man. i didn't know what transition was so i couldn't say i wanted it but i tried to explain how i was feeling. she told me i was just insecure and the feeling would go away as i got older. i accepted it and tried to just be a man. 5 years later i broke down and had to transition. she was disgusted and told me i would look ugly as a woman. now i pass as her daughter when i go back home. she was initially very angry when i started passing but i stopped talking to her for a few years and when i reconnected she had got therapy about it, and things are better now. it is nice to finally have her (and so the rest of my family) in my life again and be accepted, but i cannot forget the fact that the first decades of my life were spent with her bullying me for who i am.

>>43473512
So what is a good reason?

>>43473516
>now i pass
Any pics?

>>43473528
why would i post pictures here

>>43473517
wanting the effects it actually can have, duh
just because you can't go from xy->xx doesn't mean you can't develop female secondary sex characteristics that make being xy suck way less

>>43473530
Sure, but he's not arguing you can't do stupid shit you enjoy.
He's arguing that you can't change your sex or gender, so taking medication to "transition" is redundant, because you can't ever achive the end goal of successfully transitioning.

>>43470952
I don't talk to them

>>43473548
>Absolutism
Self-defeating retardation. If you were in agonizing pain and were offered medication to lessen it, would you decline because the medication wouldn't resolve all of it and cook you a 5 star meal?

>>43473638
>Self-defeating retardation
In what way? His logic is completely sound if you ask me, and your example is disingenuous.

>>43473646
>disingenuous
A logical consequence of the belief, nona.
If you decline anything not going 100% the way you wanted, you are not going to live life at all. Life is nothing but a game of chance - with each thing going well, the chance of the next being well exponentially drops. Everything going well would be statistically improbable - the fact of you being born at a time when hrt and srs is so widely accessible, out of thousands of years, is a miracle in itself. No point in complaining about "muh chromosomes" (which barely affect you past early fetal development) and denying yourself the things that objectively make your life more satisfying.

>>43473672
>If you decline anything not going 100% the way you wanted, you are not going to live life at all
Where did I say that? I made a very specific statment about a very specific thing and you are pretending it is a generalisation. Very dishonest of you.

Are you going to continue in good faith? This doesn't seem fruitful if you're just going to put words in my mouth and try and make me defend them.
I said in tbisnon

>>43473680
>I said in tbisnon
I don't even know how this got here lol, excuse me

Both parents were super supportive when I came out to them, only asked them to start using my name after I started passing irl, since then they haven't deadnamed or misgendered me at all. They also told all my other family for me, they're also nice about it and have made maybe one accidental mistake. My 8 year old nephew once said to me "wait I remember your old name" and deadnamed me but that's about the worst that has happened. Living in western europe for context.

>>43473680
>something is pointless because it doesn't achieve 100% of the expectation
Is a distillation of >>43473548 message
>I made a very specific statment about a very specific thing and you are pretending it is a generalisation.
Why apply one logic to one and different to another? Inconsistency is worse than dishonesty, i'd say.
I am starting to think you aren't a tranny and in fact the chud brother

>>43473699
>"Stop putting words in my mouth and trying to make me defend them."
>does it again
I guess you don't want to argue in good faith then. Thanks for confirming this.

>>43473699
They are arguing their brother's POV.
Of course they are going to "sound like their chud brother" lol
What a stupid thing to complain about.

>>43473706
And you are a hypocrite, or plainly stupid. One of the two
>Drawing logical conclusions from written text is putting words in your mouth
What type of argument do you expect then? Unquestioned agreement? This is what I don't get >>43473712 If his words actively upset you, why do you defend him in such a vehement and thought-ending way? Arguing is impossible when you don't have a clear, understandable ideological position to begin with

>>43473768
>And you are a hypocrite
For what reason? Be specific please. I've made no hypocrytical statements in my post.
But please stop trying to put words in my mouth, and please stop getting so upset. These are not my opinions. You asked to engage with the discussions in my home life, this is what my brother is saying, so stop pretending otherwise. Thanks.

We can't get real answers unless yoy engage with the topic honestly. I'm doing this for you, please do the same for me.

Deal?

poorly.
i think they thought if my srs got botched bad enough that it would make me /snap out of it/ and i'd file a lawsuit against the surgeon and drop all this tranny nonsense.
instead i'm just listening to iris by the googoo dolls like
>i don't want the world to see me
>cause i don't think that they'd understand
>and when everything's made to be broken
>i just want you to know who i am

>>43473782
You accuse me of ignoring your arguments (aka putting words in your mouth) while ignoring mine. Either hypocrisy, or lack of understanding. Simple

>>43473815
>"We should be honest and genuine in our discussion. Deal?"
>Doesn't say "yes"
Says it all really.

>>43473827
Are you just trying to annoy me?

>>43473865
Why won't you agree to be honest with each other?

>>43473768
>If his words actively upset you
?
whos words?
>why are you defending him
???
who do you think I'm defending? i think you got confused

>>43470952
They've ignored me before and now they ignore me even more.

>>43474113
You'd be uphappy if they gave you extra attention based on your gender too.

>>43474136
They were pretty mean about it at first. Now they are used to me being a troon so they just ignore me most of the time. I have no idea what they think about me at this point. Probably disappointment is on their minds when they have to interact with me. I'd rather have this than abuse. They don't get in my way so that's good. Still, it all just feels meh...

>>43474239
>probably disappointed in me...
Stop projecting your own insecurities onto your family.

>>43474385
My father told me that I'm a dissapointment and that I'm hurting the family. The rest avoids me and never talks to me. Not sure how else to interpret it.

>>43474396
In what context? Did you fuck up badly and he was mad at you?

>>43470952
The little family I have contact with accepts me for the most part. They use my chosen name but still misgender me. My grandmother has been extremely helpful with it and I love her so much for it

>>43474417
Literally after I came out to my grandparents. I was hiding the fact that I'm trans form them for a long while but whatever. You can choose to not believe me if you want.

>>43470952
>How has your family been dealing with your gender transition
it was a non-issue after the initial shock
at that point in life, my parents didn't have neither the intention or the power to stop me from transitioning. Everyone else supported me AFAIK. No one asked any questions.

Most of them are supportive but my aunt and my grandma still misgender me on accident even after over two years

>>43476246
>You can choose to not believe me if you want.
?
Why are you being so negative?
It's sucks that happened. I guess he really didn't want your grandparents to know

they just kinda ignore it. theyre gonna be so surprised when I start T XD

>>43478345
Sorry. I just thought that >>43474385 and >>43474417 were dismissive. I don't want to be mean or negative. My mood is just super fucked recently. Either I'm the most depressed thing in the world or I'm feeling manic and ready to conquer everything...

>>43473548
It's not stupid, it can be lifesaving for dysphorics.
>He's arguing that you can't change your sex or gender, so taking medication to "transition" is redundant
At that point it's just semantics, which I honestly don't care about all that much.
I recommend watching this video if you care about that, I think his take on it was generally pretty solid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz6GZvlvIoM
>you can't ever achieve the end goal of successfully transitioning
Is there an official end goal? What is it?

>>43471349
>my mom's a religious comphet lesbian
unironically how do you know that?

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>>43470952
I was boymoding for years without coming out (still kinda am since I haven't changed my presentation at all), my whole family pretended not to notice since we avoid butting into each other's business in general, my woke niece was the earliest to find out and said she pieced it together back when one of her friends said I looked like a chick

>>43481819
I've had suspicions since I was like 12 because I've never heard her say a single nice thing about any of the men she's dated's looks, but would just gush over how beautiful my one friend's mom was. I'll give as few details here as possible for privacy's sake, but she more or less said that she was attracted to women when she was a kid, but "God saved her from that life"

As a manmoder:
>mom tried to be nice and supportive but always acted like we're discussing some horrible accident
>dad was broken and nominally ok but almost immediately straight up said he never wants to talk about it again. was kinda distant while i had a trans gf or a year, likely because in his mind this meant "my son is gay"
>sister is nominally supportive but would misgender me. just like mom never as much as mentioned any girlstuff ever
>aunt and uncle are openly jk rowling Z special operation tranphobic caricatures and broke contact with our family after it stopped being financially beneficial to them
>mom outed me to her side of the family who is very working class but frankly seemed ok towards me last time i saw them. but i never see them now.
>grandpas dead, one grandma severe dementia, one grandma i thought about telling but im not sure if she would understand. i might because she is very old and idk how long will she stay lucid enough to even have the conversation. but im a manmoder
>little nieces see im different but they grew up with me around and dont seem to think a lot about. would come out to them but again im a manmoder.

>>43482381
oof
its trippy to think its actually her belief in god that brought you to existence

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>>43470952
they have yet to discover

I told my mom when I was a teenager but she didn't react at all. I got scared and went back in the closet and she never brought it up again. She died before I started transitioning.

I only see my dad once every other year or so and he's too awkward to mention anything about it.

My brother went off about women's sports and puberty blockers, but he didn't like me anyway.

The rest of the family stopped talking to me ages ago for being a faggot.

>>43482633
Yeah, been coping with that for a while because even when I get away from the church that I grew up being called demonic by, God is actually the reason I exist and it pisses me off