>>43472867
she looks pretty though?

that's a gay man in a dress

>>43472867
her agp manifesto is doing numbers lmao

>>43472876
i never got the outrage over that
what she wrote is no different than what some edgy teenager feminist would write in a mania episode

>>43472867
tranny celebs look like twinkhons lol. this board has plenty of prettier troons.

>>43472891
attractive ≠ woman
what annoys people is you pretending people cannot tell this is a gay man in a dress

>>43472880
yeah the pearl clutching is real when trannys do anything

i remember one paparazzi pic of her that showed her phone she had X/twitter installed

so yes she has a burner account and she probably consumes ragebait

>>43472867
I really doubt she cares what random transphobes on twitter think of her
however this was a mid look for her. It's a boring dress

>>43472891
Nah this board just has that autistic chuddy male preference in women's faces, no one else thinks its attractive

>>43472867
Probably too busy doing rich celebrity shit to dive back into the endless stream of the same old chud remarks. They’re always the same it’s entirely unstimulating

>>43473743
Celebrities are losers who post now tho

>>43472896
Thing is, I'm not attracted to gay men in dresses. You can't convince me that she looks like a gay man in a dress, because 99.9% of gay men, don't look like women. It's like saying that humans have less than 2 arms and 2 legs, "because some people are born with defects or get amputations" or that there's more than 2 sexes because intersex is <1% of the population. The outliers get erased and subsumed into the whole, this is a woman, not a gay man because she in no way resembles a gay man, making her an outlier in the data set. Much like DSD or amputees, we have to remove her from the data set containing gay men, because including her would erase 99% of gay men.

Calling her a gay man is internally inconsistent within transphobic logic, therefore she is a woman.

Who the fuck uses twitter on 2026

>>43473824
intersex are le exception and that nullifies their use in an argument because chuds dont know how exceptions work but trannies could NEVER EVER be exceptions and theres NO WAY you could EVER consider that a disorder that effects <0.5% of the population isn't worth obsessing over and that objectively the only reason people see trannies as they do now is because doctors are given world-bending judgement and you can't see transsexuality at birth to try and 'treat' it with corrective surgery

>>43474039
You’re a fucking idiot if you think people are more attracted to genitals than overall appearance

>>43474039
Trannies are an exception too, but the problem is that while intersex can be pretty easily defined by physically present characteristics that stand out from the general norm of what males/females are, trannyism keeps changing its definition to the point where we've reach self-ID, if you say you're a woman then you are and that's it
When that happens, it might no longer be an exception since people can opportunistically redefine themselves whenever needed

>>43474039
>hunter passes
gaslighting
>hunter passes because some other people, that arent hunter, are intersex
gaslighting + retarded lack of logic

>>43472867
I'd brutalize that shitter too

>>43474097
>Trannies are an exception too
In what specific way?

>>43474159
They are an exception to the general rule of gender identity matching biological sex observable at birth

>>43474164
>They are an exception to the general rule of gender identity matching biological sex
How do you intend to prove this claim? Because right now it's just a claim, with no supporting evidence.
I agree with you, but when you have no evidence and your whole argument is "because I SAY SO! OKAY???" you lose the debate, when compared with someone who is using real world verifiable facts.

I'm not trying to take you down, I'm trying to help you strengthen your argument.

>>43474097
This is why "self-ID" is retarded when it comes to consequential things like monetary grants, (binary) legal papers, "official" sports competitions, etc. but viable when it comes to relatively inconsequential things like: everyday social interactions, how someone chooses to present themselves, and the hormones you have in your system.

>>43474178
The fuck are you talking about? The existence of trans people alone is evidence

>>43474210
Evidence of? You have to be specific.

>>43474212
The evidence of people's gender identity not matching their biological sex

>>43474216
>People can have a mental illness (gender dysphoria)
Okay. Now prove this changes their literal gender and not just their own perception of it.
If you can do that, I see no reason why we can't put it on a passport, but it sounds hard.

>>43474254
>moving the goalpost
Sure why not, that depends on how we want to define "literal gender", and whether you're willing to say that it is different from sex and a social construct

>>43474181
Self-ID is the only thing that makes sense for getting hormones nowadays because of DIY and informed consent, so you don't need to have a gender dysphoria diagnosis to medically transition. Not all places are doing this but it was the direction we've been heading towards

>>43472891
celebs liked by this board dont even medically transition

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>>43474312
>moving the goalpost
What goalpost was moved? I need you to clarify this so we can proceed.
Mental illnesses like gender dysphoria do not change your physical characteristics from one gender or sex to another. Agreed?

>depends on how we want to define "literal gender"
Let's use the US definition.

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>>43474359
From this >They are an exception to the general rule of gender identity matching biological sex
If you want to go by US definitions then gender dysphoria is not a mental illness according to the DSM-5 it is a condition that causes distress. Of course, gender dysphoria itself does not change your physical characteristics, but treating it by transitioning with HRT and surgeries does

>>43472867
Prettiest girl in the world is a man
AND has a dick and can both fuck and get fucked.
Truly, the dickless keep getting humiliations over humiliations xD

>>43474406
>it is a condition that causes distress
That's what a mental illness is.

>>43474406
>Of course, gender dysphoria itself does not change your physical characteristics, but treating it by transitioning with HRT and surgeries does
It does not. You literally can not complete a transition, you can't become a woman, you can never create female gammetes etc...
So you are still, by definition, your birth sex. That is the most accurate thing to include on your passport, because literally no one has ever "become the opposite sex or gender". The treatment is never complete.

I think we can all agree on that, right?

>>43474430
do you know what secondary sex characteristics are

>>43474423
Sure, some people want to argue gender dysphoria is not a mental illness in the same way that being gay is no longer considered one. People can experience varying levels of gender dysphoria, it can be so bad you're literally unable to function. But there are also people that transition and are happy with it without having ever having experienced dysphoria

>>43474430
You wanted to know if physical characteristics could change, yes they can, to the point people literally could never tell unless you used special tools to detect it

>>43474430
Why does the ability to create female gametes need to be indicated on a passport?

>>43474474
because it's obviously like an identifiable phenotype to the xray vision mutants working in our government

>>43474474
Same reason your blood type is included on your ID's.
To help ID your remains if you get mangled. It's essential that it's a list of verifiable medical facts, and not mental illnesses.

>>43474466
>But there are also people that transition without having ever having experienced dysphoria
Name one, please. There must be a famous example

>>43474519
okay so if someone got srs and has no testes or ovaries how is the male sex identifier helping here retard

>>43474534
toob

>>43474536
>Person gets mangled
>Do bloodwork
>Determine their chromosome
>"but what if they were intersex?"
>check gametes
>determine if they match
Again, it's just further verification for bloodwork, if they otherwise can't ID you.

>>43474547
Cool, now how can I verify that they "never experienced gender dysphoria"?

>>43474553
Feel free to ask her yourself

>>43474548
how are they checking the gametes of someone with no capability of producing gametes? and why does the possibility of turning into goo override somebody's quality of life

>>43474553
toob claims gd doesnt exist

>>43474548
>woman was born with inability to produce female gametes
Oh shit

>>43474557
So you're refusing to prove your own claims true? Thanks for confirming this fact.

>>43474560
>how are they checking the gametes of someone with no capability of producing gametes?
You can check what gametes someone produces based on the DNA in their blood

This is basic forensics, c'mon.

>>43474574
didnt argue the second point because you're addicted to this scenario, which probably wouldn't happen to most people's lives, and one that wouldn't matter to anyone, over the affect this sex marker has on a trans person's life. what marker are you using to check gamete production btw

>>43474560
>>43474574
To add to this;
>"how do you check the gametes of someone with none?"
Easy.
>Look where they should be
>notice there isn't any
>"guess they don't make any"
>Now they can check that against the medical records of all the other passangers on the plane that crashed

>>43474611
>what marker are you using to check gamete production btw
What do you mean by "marker"?
I say you let the scientists check it the way they always have, blood tests.

>>43474615
okay, so male or female sex markers don't actually matter to anyone who got srs, because they can't produce gametes. okay.

>>43474633
>okay, so male or female sex markers don't actually matter to anyone who got srs
That's a huge leap.
No.

>>43472867
would

>>43474624
what portion of your dna tells you what gametes you produce besides your sex chromosomes, which aren't always accurate?

>>43474648
>what portion of your dna tells you what gametes you produce besides your sex chromosomes
Don't know, why does it important to your argument? Be specific please.

>>43474643
why is it a huge leap if the sex marker no longer helps with identification?

>>43474648
>>43474657
What do you mean by "marker"? You dodged the question. Thanks.

>>43474656
because there probably isnt one and you just made it up?

>>43474662
marker in your dna. that's why i rephrased it to something you would understand.

>>43474663
>probably
lol
You don't have to belive me. Ask ChatGPT if "you can determine what gametes someone makes, or used to make, from their DNA in their blood?"

I'll wait.

>>43472867
She's so cute

>>43474668
sorry, sex marker on your passport as well.

>>43474668
Why would your DNA not help ID you?
Please, explain your reasoning.

>>43472867
do you really truly believe that she even goes on Twitter?

>Can you determine someone's biological sex, based on genetic analysis of blood (DNA testing)?

>"Yes—if the test examines chromosomes, it can usually identify whether someone has XX or XY sex chromosomes, which correlates with typical biological sex.
This works because blood cells (specifically white blood cells) contain DNA, including the sex chromosomes."

Thanks chatGPT.

>>43472867
Now that is a woman

>>43474669
you ask it and tell me, i dont have that.
>>43474677
you're telling me that gamete production is necessary to identify someone by matching it to sex on a passport. where is the marker in the dna that tells you what your gamete production is? i'd also like to know why this hypothetical "you turn into unrecognizable paste" scenario should take precedent over live identification scenarios such as being a missing person (this person is a female blah blah here's a photo, tell us if you see anyone matching description), or the discrimination it would invite by marking it incorrectly?
>>43474709
so they can't, and they use sex chromosomes as their best educated guess. thank you for destroying your weird argument.

>>43474733
>so they can't
It literally says "Yes, you can."
learn to read.

>>43474733
You really don't understand what DNA is or what it does, do you?

>>43474743
they can't check gamete production without using sex chromosomes, which is unreliable anyways in intersex cases, but you claimed here that they do it in some other way somehow >>43474548 . that was the point. it has nothing to do with gamete production at all, you're talking about sex chromosomes. in any case, like i said, the experiences my body has after death is completely worthless to me compared to my body's living experiences, i think everyone would agree, so your argument is weird and retarded anyways.

>>43474795
The entire DNA blueprint of your entire biology is in a single drop of your blood, a single hair from your eyelash, a skin cell, etc.

Why do you think you can't tell what gametes someone is possible of producing, when you literally have the Entire Genetic Sequence that makes them.

>>43474825
tell me what part of it does then

>>43472867
They're so jealous lmao

>>43474832
Sure, once you answer my question.
I did ask first, so it's only fair.
>Why do you think you can't tell what gametes someone is possible of producing, when you literally have the Entire Genetic Sequence that makes them?
Go ahead, don't be scared.

>>43472867
It has to be some demoralization tactic from the media to push her as the "most passing" trans woman, right? Like half of this board is less clocky than her

>>43474574
>check what gametes someone produces based on the DNA in their blood
?¿????
No??

>>43474865
Sorry I was mistaken it's actually true

>>43474858
It's just easier to virtue signal about loving trans women when everyone can tell the trans woman in question is indeed trans
With a turbopassoid you'd get people saying "she's just cis and pretends to be trans for clout!"

>>43474855
you're the one trying to argue that gamete production on an unidentifiable body (or the gametes one might have been able to produce at one point) is the reason we shouldn't be able to change our passport, ids, or birth certificate sex markers. also, i think that the mutation occurs after the dna is created, to be honest.

>>43474892
>Doesn't answer the question
We can't move on until you do this.
>Why do you think you can't tell what gametes someone is possible of producing, when you literally have the Entire Genetic Sequence that makes them?
Go ahead

>>43474906
just answered you retard. you're allergic to reading.

>>43474825
Your sex chromosomes don't prove you produce gametes anon. That's not how chromosomes work.
>>43474825
Yes, genes. Not chromosomes. Even with genes, you can sometines produce/not produce because epigenetics removal medic
>You can check what gametes someone produces based on the DNA in their blood
This is retarded

>>43474913
>"B-because I just think so! OKAY???"
That's really your answer? No fact? No logic? Just pure unfiltered cope?
Ok. I accept your concession

>>43474931
>Yes, genes. Not chromosomes
Wrong.
>>43474709
You can verify it elsewhere if you like.

>>43474877
You're not me kys

>>43472867
I'm a cisgendered woman and she belongs in the women's bathroom

>>43474942
What do you think chromosomes are?
Are you genuinely mentally retarded?

>>43474934
uh no. you didn't read everything i said, because if you did, you'd get to what i thought. like i said, you're allergic to reading:
>also, i think that the mutation occurs after the dna is created, to be honest.
but i learned just now that it was wrong, it can tell you, but they definitely don't check for what could make you intersex after you die if they do a karyotype test and it reads you have xx chromosomes. wow you are retarded though huh

>>43474953
Why do you think you can't verify someone's chromosomes from the dna in their blood?

>>43474959
You said
>>43474892
>i think that the mutation occurs after the dna is created, to be honest.
>i think
Thinking something is true is not the same as having proof that it is true.

All I'm getting from this is that we don't need sex or gender markers on our passports at all then

>>43474968
Where did I say that?

>>43474988
>WHERE DID I SAY THAT
here.
>>43474931
>Yes, genes. Not chromosomes
:^)

>>43474978
you are the one thinking that maybe oh maybe they check for fucking gamete production using dna oh maybe they do, and thats also what they use for your sex marker oh maybe possibly. you don't know. do you really think they're checking if your xx chromosomes possess an sry gene, or, if you're one of the rare cases that is xx male that doesn't have an sry gene, checking for the *theorized* genetic explanations for that? to determine gamete production? which, btw, they're sexed male, but they're always sterile and never produce any anyways. you have no proof for your claim, so you cannot make it. i win. retard.

>>43474995
>No evidence
>just tears
This is why you lost.
Thanks for playing

>>43474999
you haven't made an argument in like 10 responses meaning i win. thank you <3

>>43474994
Why do you think you can't tell what gametes someone is possible of producing, when you literally have the Entire Genetic Sequence that makes them?

I was responding to this. You say you can ""prove gametes"" from chromosomes, then you yap about "whole genetic sequence", which yknow, is a bit different from a karyotype. Seventh grade biology genotype vs karyotype.

>>43474039
Democrats only bring intersex people up as a get out of biology free card. The fact that I'm a biologically failed male doesn't mean green hair should change your passport gender marker to X, nor does it mean we should accept Lia Thomas competing against women.
Those arguments need to be able to stand on their own.

Intersex people are basically the acceptable collateral damage of the culture war and that fucking sucks.

>>43474254
You"re having the wrong argument.
Fields printed on identification documents are meant to serve the purpose of identifying you. All fields printed on any identity document should serve that purpose.
Sex contributes very little to uniquely identifying someone and should not be included at all. But if we must, it should reflect what reasonable people will assume about you, since to say the opposite is at odds with the purpose of an identity document.

Or, since if I change it to something I don't look like it's myself I'll cause problems for, maybe just let me pick one. It really isn't that deep.

>but le larping mans!
If you don't remotely pass because you're not even trying a gender marker change isn't fooling anyone.

>>43474825
The problem is we don't know how to interpret the whole genome. Only sometimes is a genetic explanation ever found for someone's intersexuality.
I believe the definitive way to know for absolute sure which type of gonad you're dealing with is tissue histology. This can distinguish between dysgenetic gonads, testes, ovaries, and ovotestes.

The other problem is both chromosomes and gametes aren't readily apparent. Secondary sex traits and, if you're undressed, primary sex traits are. If I think your ID is fraudulent I'm not going to have the resources to do the medical required to confirm my suspicions. Obsessing over gametes is fucking weird.

>>43474519

Blood type isnt included on IDs though..m

>>43472867
She won

>>43474519
>>43475144
Getting my height and weight medically verified a the DMV
Cuz absolutely nobody has ever lied on those.

Holy shit transphobes are clowns.

Right wingers are obsessed with gametes despite the fact that the only relevance their gametes will ever have is the chemical composition of the crust on their socks.

>>43474331
Exactly, when it comes to making binary legal changes (i.e. changing the registered sex/gender from male to female, not getting "doggo" put under "gender" on your license) people should have to prove: intent to transition, steps taken to transition (hormones, surgeries, etc.), and that both have been consistent for some amount of time. Self-ID makes sense for HRT because in like half the world Estrogen is OTC, and I hate 3 letter agents working for the deep state telling me what I can and can't do with my damn body.

>>43475144
It's on mine.

>>43475256
I don't think that's true in most places though? It certainly isn't on any of my IDs.
IDs cannot substitute for a complete medical record anyway. Blood type's on of those questionable things I don't completely hate including just because you might need a transfusion in an emergency.
If I'm ever actually turned to unidentifiable goo my genetic sex contributes about 1 bit of identifying information. Narrowing the search from 8 billion people to 4 billion isn't particularly helpful. If they need to they'll figure it out.
And if they don't then I obviously won't be around to care.

>>43475318
>Narrowing the search from 8 billion people to 4 billion isn't particularly helpful.
That's really disingenuous, we're talking about a passport.
If your plane crashes and you turn to goo, it's only a hundred or so people to verifiy at most

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>>43472876
does that say "we are all niggers"

>>43475367
Mirrors.

>>43472867
I just see a beautiful woman. Gender is a social construct, idgaf about gametes

>>43475370
ah

>>43475360
Cool. Now I'm one of 50 of them. You'll still need information not printed on my passport to figure out which parts of the goo are me.
The real disingenuity is thinking a rare edge case (plane crashing on an international flight, such that I even have my passport on me, and needing to identify my liquified remains) trumps the FAR more common case where someone is trying to determine whether I am actually the person described by my passport.

>>43475429
>Cool. Now I'm one of 50 of them. You'll still need information not printed on my passport to figure out which parts of the goo are me.
Correct. Which is why I think your biological sex shouod be written there.
Incase only your male skeleton remains.

>>43475490
>male skeleton
Zero chance a forensic investigator concludes I'm an adult man given my skeleton.
The real disingenuity is thinking a rare edge case (all that's left of me is a skeleton and strangely also my completely legible passport) trumps the FAR more common case where someone is trying to determine whether I am actually the person described by my passport.

>>43475557
>>43475490
hunter getting M on her passport had zero impact on her ability to travel the world for fashion shows and celebrity orgies or whatever and no harm happened, meanwhile you are sitting at home arguing about whether an M will prevent you from travels you cant afford anyway.

>>43475557
>Zero chance a forensic investigator concludes I'm an adult man given my skeleton.
You think bones don't contain genetic material that coupd identify you?

>>43475604
Neat trivia: Hunter is almost a foot taller than me.
>>43475609
Is it autism when you can't follow conversational context?
If all you've got is DNA from my skeletal remains my passport does not contain enough information to identify me.

>>43475671
>If all you've got is DNA from my skeletal remains my passport does not contain enough information to identify me.
Is it more likely to help the investors ID you to have DNA or not? Yes or no.

>>43475682
>investors
Investigators. My b.

>>43475682
Ah it is autism.

>>43474047
you literally can't read i'm sorry to tell you this but you straight up can't read

>>43474108
chuds are all esl monkeys istg

>>43475055
please keep your am*rican brainrot away from me schizo

>>43474365
UNGA BUNGA
STURDY GAYBOY TRANSWIFE
I MAKE HER MINE

>>43472867
>Xitter slop
>Tranny slop
No thanks

>>43473812
My guy celebrities are now the most online among us.

>>43476405
richies with passive income have nothing to do

>>43476219
Schizophrenia is the US's chief export.

>>43476451
i gobble it up domestically

>>43475703
>No answer
>resorts to insults
i accept your concession

>>43477241
We've already established you're arguing for edge case use of documents at the expense of its primary purpose. Because you want that to be how it works.
But it doesn't.
Therefore your question is irrelevant.

>>43477345
Where did we establish this? Quote the exact post please.
Or will you dodge this question too?

>>43472867
Wow, what a beautiful woman

>>43475682
gamete production is not information obtained from dna therefore that will not help id you. they do not look it. even if you argued successfuly that it did, it would not support your claim that this is why gamete production should determine your id's sex marker, because gamete production is mutable, from being able to produce gametes to not. it would also be only one of many use cases that a sex marker on id could have, and does not automatically take precedent over other use cases. thank you. did you read to the end of this? or will you make a
>you cwy i win i win
statement, i wonder.

>>43472867
how do they have beard shadow, aren't they rich enough to afford electrolysis or laser?

>>43479644
you have a smudge on your screen, glasses, or possibly your eyes have been fucked up from looking at the sun too long like a retard.

>>43474987
finally an actual trvke

>>43479591
gamete production is a kinda funny hill anyway, would be weird for post-menopausal women to lose their gender

I would brutalize her bussyhole too.

>>43472869
seems pretty hussie to me

Wow, what a delicious longboi tranny

>>43476262
The paleolithic chasers joined the chat

>>43478331
Tautology
If they ever do have to identify my mangled remains, and if my passport helps them do so, the most likely way it will help them is by being near some part of my corpse.
Otherwise it does not contain enough information to match my DNA to an identity. Investigators will have to rely on other sources to make a positive ID.
My toothbrush is more likely to help them than my passport.
This is because passport data is not meant to confirm someone's identity from a pool of goo, or bones, or whatever dumbass shit you're on about. It is meant to help border agents and others confirm that you are who you claim to be.

>>43482747
>Question dodged
>No quote
I accept your concession.

>>43483328
statement >>43479591 dodged.
I accept your concession.