you need to let me rape you
its the only way

>>43472930
>read judaic literature
that’s your problem chud

>>43472930
What about the second sex made you think you'd never be a woman?

Maybe you shouldn't read French pedos

I did this with Wittig and Firestone and found it really affirming but Simone de Beauvior is I hate to say it a pseud and a pedophile. What's more, it's honestly not a good idea to take stock in feminist literature as affirming of your womanhood because it provides no positive definition of a woman, it merely defines womanhood in the ways that we are oppressed and suffer, and a substantial amount of radical feminists actually wanted the total abolition of womanhood as a class.

What this means for trans women is that the more oppressed you are specifically for being trans, i.e. the more you are clocked and discriminated against, the more "female" it makes you. There is a reason why trans writing tends to be myopic, it's because conceptualizing ones own oppression involves emphasizing the negative aspects of your existence. This is important for the sake of building solidarity and organizing for change, but it is not the most useful when you are transitioning and trying to become as female as you are capable.

>>43473305
so what's the solution then those of us who want to become female in both soul and body?

>t. exact same problem as OP

>>43473317
Transition lol. Not her but that is the answer. Every day you cling on to the idea you are a moid is a day you repress. You could be on HRT but still repressing if you spend all your mental energy obsessing over your imagined maleness instead of building a life for yourself as a woman. It takes a while for your internal world to catch up but the more 'woman' you live the more you become a woman. As with all matters of dysphoria the cure is transition even if its uncomfortable and scary. You have to lead with action. We are not born women etcetc

>>43473349
i don't wanna transition i'm not trans

>>43473435
okay so don't? why the fuck are you responding to something obviously not directed at you. if you want to spent your entire life repping or if you're cis then live as a man i don't give a fuck mr moid

>>43473349
I get the gist of what you're saying but I've been out full-time for like 4 years now and if anything I feel I've regressed and become more male. Back then I was optimistic and hopeful atleast, nowadays I feel numb and anhedonic.

Ive been wanting to do what you described, I just don't know how... I don't speak to anyone because everyone thinks I'm weird, I have so few friends so I rarely go outside, I'm diagnosed autistic so I find it hard to enjoy most normal girl things, my male upbringing and the values it's its instilled within me haunts me like a spectre, I just don't even know what "transitioning" means anymore and how to accomplish it without overwriting my identity (what even is my identity? I don't think I even have one at this point singe I feel so numb... so am I just supposed to force myself to consume fembrained media and hope it sticks?) . All I know is that I'm stuck in some kind of fucked up androgynous purgatory.

I don't think I still have my male identity anymore BTW, I just don't have a female one either.

>>43472930
Of course that's how it is, femnist ideology is directly opposed to trans ideology
They don't believe in innate gender and want to abolish gender roles, transsexualism is based on innate gender having absolute primacy over the body and society, these are not compatible even though "mainstream" feminism adopts an incoherent pro-trans stance.

>>43473305
Yes, trans women are if anything more woman than woman

There IS no positive definition of womanhood. The existence of this class only serves to reify patriarchal oppression. Feminism's goal should indeed be to abolish the class of "Woman", and this will be very helpful for us, transgender people, because we too will be abolished as a class - we will simply be like everybody else, and the fact we wish to transition our bodies will be as unremarkable as getting a tattoo.

>>43473447
>>43473349
sorry forgot name I'm not that other poster

>>43473305
Lmao, what about Firestone's "the sex dialectic is based on the ability to bear children, we have to abolish the physical sex difference for real equality" did you find affirming?

>>43473305
How was Simone de Beauvoir a pseud?

>>43473447
Firstly I want to point out a contradiction in what you said;
>if anything I feel I've regressed and become more male
but also
>I don't think I still have my male identity
I point this out because clearly you are making progress! You are not regressing!

I remember having a similar period of my own transition even if we have some differences in our life. There was for sure a time I had transitioned enough to no longer understand myself as a man but had not yet figured out who I was as a woman. The thing that fixed it was to build a life for myself. It required exiting my comfort zone. I can't say how that looks for you but I imagine it will be a similar process. To know yourself as a woman you must live as one, and it sounds like you've retreated into yourself quite a lot. Meet some new people, get outside more, try some new hobbies, whatever. You'll find that much more clarifying than trying to solve this in your head.

In regards to your interests try not to imagine things you like as fundamentally male. You like what you like! Thats fine! Don't force yourself to be someone you are not. Just move through the world with openeness - the 'fembrained media' for example might be something you really enjoy if you put down any residual shame about your womanhood. Or you might find new hobbies that you never expected to like. Perhaps you'll meet someone new that gives you a different perspective. My point is not that any one thing will do it, but you need to open yourself to new things and remain curious. See what resonates with you, keeping in mind you are learning about yourself.

>>43473349
This, we are not born women we become them, or as anne carson said who among us is not a female impersonator?
If you derive value from feminist literature or something else like women fantasy authors or chick flicks then by all means partake in it, you can also socialize with other girls and internalize the different manner of communication but something you'll perhaps find is that women and men are really not all that different, and plenty of women would absolutely love to do stereotypically male things if they didn't get shit on for it. Your transition is more important than soulpassing or feminizing your behavior and mannerisms, it's true that you sometimes need to appear female enough to not be gatekept from surgeries and treatment, but this doesn't make the behavior and attitudes more important than the treatment in question.

>>43473474
Thank you for expanding on my post and yes I absolutely agree with this :)
I was thinking of >>43473447 and what helped me feel differently. I think it was feeling more sure in myself rather than being someone I'm not. I did 'become a woman' in the sense we are eluding to but it was really just learning to put down this weird neurosis I had about being a tranny. I'll be honest passing helped that for me but I don't think it was the only (or most significant) factor. I also did a lot of connecting with parts of myself I had repressed - listening to music I used to enjoy before consciously choosing to repress for example. I redecorated my house massively too which served as some sort of representation of a vibe shift and helped me in some way I think. Meeting new people was huge too. I think this sort of thing is much more about self acceptance and openness than it is forcing some imagined femininity on yourself, though for me at least that self acceptance allowed me to then inhabit femininity much more comfortably.

>>43473466
Not who you're replying to, but one of the main reasons why I'm afraid to step out of my comfort zone and try out new things is the fear of finding out that I really am immutably male

>>43473466
>>43473495
screenshotted these posts, thank you so much nona :) I'll try to embrace openness without any shame or judgement

>>43473509
I do not think that is likely, but even if that happens I think its a good thing to know yourself more fully and such a realisation should be embraced. If that did happen, you would not feel anxious about it as you do right now - you'd find self acceptance! The faaaaaaar more likely outcome for a tranny, though, is that you realise that you were never really male to begin with and this was all low self esteem and shame.

>>43473522
Its tricky to do! But worth doing. I would suggest that refering to yourself as moidbrained and posting here about how male you are is likely an example of way you remain closed off, if I'm honest. God speed diva please be kinder to yourself

>>43473458
Because the actual consequences of that mandate, if ever put into practice, would mean complete biological transition from male to female. Her and other Marxist feminists' view that sex *originates* with procreation is wrong however, Wittig is correct in asserting that this is an ideological & ahistorical projection, much like the anthropologically disproven idea that capitalism originates with barter.

More importantly, you shouldn't be taking these writers as word of God, you should be able to find the agreeable and disagreeable parts and corroborate with your own views and experience. There is no author, theoretician, critic, philosopher that is capable of adequately describing the conditions of the present. There are some that come close, and there are also some that come close to a certain sense of timelessness as well. But there is no book that will spell everything out for you, in fact they will mostly make series of incorrect statements and flawed reasoning with a few gems that are considered insightful.

>>43473453
Yes but what are we going to call ourselves up to and until that point, when "woman" is both a subjugated class that should be abolished and a set of anatomical features we develop? (To say nothing of aesthetics..) You must understand that the former is a non-standard definition which while the most philosophically for the sake of liberation and class analysis, is not typically what people think of when you say "women".

>>43473461
She's obsessed with the kind of scientific romanticism that characterizes late modern / early 20th century thought. ultimately, many of those very same thinkers who lived through the horrors of the next couple decades would decry as their folly. There are ideas from that period that live on, some of them hers, but there's a reason why we now have words like "scientism". Whereas critique of the (liberal) humanism that goes hand in hand with it begins earlier, Marx and Stirner being some of the most apparent.

>>43472947
>Gets raped
>Can't rape back because no penis
How do women deal with such humiliation?

>>43473523
I'm even especially afraid of one day finding self acceptance as a man to a crippling extent ironically

>>43473495
Thank you as well. I should admit that I still struggle with these things myself, so I really appreciate it.

>>43473594
You should consider some therapy queen
>>43473596
Its tricky! But it gets easier with time. Ygmi

>>43472930
stop reading femishit and leftoid literature retard. If you insist on being a bookcel reading fiction and fantast at least read something fun

>>43472930
This is one of my favorite books. But both translations of it into English are shit.

>>43473449
There is no such thing as “trans ideology”.
Cultural feminists believe in innate gender and want to enforce gender roles. Cultural feminism is the most popular form of feminism by far.
Transsexualism isn’t an idea, so any claim that it’s “based” on anything is meaningless.
Every claim in this post is categorically false. https://juliaserano.substack.com/p/a-gender-critical-and-terf-primer

>>43473851
Don't engage, they know they're wrong and are merely well-poisoning. The more attention you give them the more chances they get to legitimize "trans ideology" as a concept

I quite like Simone De Beaovior. Check out her Ethics Of Ambiguity. It’s a bit more philosophical and less feminist in nature, but will give you a better understanding.

>>43473582
>Because the actual consequences of that mandate, if ever put into practice, would mean complete biological transition from male to female.
That is a baffling confusion. Firestone wanted to use genetic modification to "transition" all women into men, not the other way around.

>>43473851
>>43473867
>muh terminological pedantry
You knew what I meant, you brain poisoned sophists. The two worldviews, philosophies, perspectives, approaches to the human body and mind, use whatever terminology you want, are fundamentally opposed.

>>43473869
Also, she was a groundbreaker of second wave feminism. More modern ideas of gender expression and identity separated from sex hadn’t really entered the conversation as being important as the both sexes being equal hadn’t even been fully established. She laid the groundwork for a lot of understanding of gender, but was complete or fully evolved as we have today. I beg that you view her as existing the context of her time. For what it’s worth, I never interpreted her as being strictly sex essentialist. I think she viewed womanhood as something derivative of sex, but not necessarily inherent or chained to sex. Like the core of her ideas was that gender is a construct.

>>43473890
You know that the claims that you make are false.

>>43473921
nta but are there any writers out there that aren't bourgeois degenerates?