When will we purge these people?
>>43474452Transphobes hate any and all trans people it genuinely doesn't matter to them you try to be "one of the good ones" as much as you want they'll still vote to keep you out of their bathrooms
>>43474540I don't see how it's trying to be "one of the good ones" by stating a simple fact that we are male
>>43474540So ... we should just abandon truth, because why? You think the other side has truth on their side and that we therefore should always do the opposite and lie?
>>43474540Why you wanna use the womens bathroom so bad?
>>43474579because they are a woman
>>43474608What is a woman?
>>43474452the people who say they're biological males? or the people who hate on trans women for being insecure?
>>43474623What do you think? Or rather: Who do you think? It's like a litmus test, it can be interpreted either way, but one answer is still objectively the right position.
>>43474452He's right though. Trans is only a social construct and hormones don't change your sex. Nothing can change your sex and sex determines gender. Trans is the social construct that says we'll let you pretend to be the opposite gender despite it not matching your sex.
>changing your birth sexno, that's not how this works
>>43474558I don't see the point in stating that fact to people who don't care about you>>43474566>So ... we should just abandon truth, because why?Because why not?>>43474579Because I need to take a shit
>>43474452being a pickme and victim blaming won't make you one of the good ones
>>43474452people love to kowtow to biology as an exact science but "male" and "female" are exactly as constructed in biology as they are in social games.a finished tranny doesnt have most of the traditional defining features of male anatomy and its kinda retarded to pretend they do cuz you wanna seem based to cis retards
>>43474452Which one? The based tranny truther in OOP's post? Or the squawking Redditor?Being biologically male is the reason trans women are TRANS. If we weren't biologically male we wouldn't need to TRANSITION
>>43477374What are the implications of biological maleness though? What practically changes if I do or don't accept the male nature of my biology?Basically why is it worth arguing about, in either direction?
>>43474747>Because I need to take a shityou sound like an angsty teenage boy, not a woman
>>43477884we all do, anon
>>43477855Regardless of how you feel about it, there is a material reality to our bodies. Calling myself a biological male, or amab, or whatever speaks the most to my lived experience and is relevant to medical providers. Trying to be dishonest about that is doing a disservice to myself and to everyone else too.I don't hate men, though, so I've never struggled to reconcile with sharing something in common with them.
>>43474452who, faketroons? right away I hope. we get that you aren't biologically (or non-biologically) female, cuz you ain't trans lol so put the flag and pronouns down already
>>43477884>women can't talk about taking a shit
>>43474558>>43474566>>43474653>>43474673>>43477374>43477941actually biological sex just means the biological difference between men and women. I used to be male, and by medically transitioning I'm becoming female, by shifting my biology to be more like women than men. Simply by taking estrogen for a couple years I have changed the sex expression of the vast majority of cells in my body, which then slowly changes the tissues and organs to be female. If you don't accept this, you don't know what biological sex is.
>>43478186>I used to be male, and by medically transitioning I'm becoming female
>>43478186>Simply by taking estrogen for a couple years I have changed the sex expression of the vast majority of cells in my body, which then slowly changes the tissues and organs to be female.No woman would ever justify their own femininity and womanhood like this.
>>43474653>hormones don't change your sexHormones change your endocrine sex, which changes your secondary sex characteristics, which (if you're lucky or an extreme youngshit) might change your social sex—the sex to which other people assume you belong.That matters kind of a lot.>>43477941I don't lie to my doctors either.>old primary care retiring>pick new guy>answer "birth sex" correctly>he orders labs, including CBC>get blood drawn>hemoglobin low>creatinine low>oh no>he ran me as male didn't he?>doctor messages about results>says I might be anemic>suggests it could be from my periodsI should've just lied.
>>43478197yeah that's why I'm a transsexual dummysex is right there in the word>>43478222how would a real woman justify her own womanhood? chromosomes? menstruation? the bible?
>>43478186Get a grip. If E was a magic pill that made you a woman hons would not exist.
>>43478253sorry but I consider biology to be more important than just how you look, or how you are treated in society
>>43478186We're amab, not men. If you want to be pedantic about it, we're more intersex than anything. When talking to medical professionals (the only people that need to know any of this) I say I'm mtf.In my eyes it doesn't make me any less of a woman, you're gonna keep ruminating on this until you make your peace with it.
>>43478242>how would a real woman justify her own womanhood? chromosomes? menstruation? the bible?She would probably talk about the difficulty of puberty on her. How she was forcefully changed by nature from a genderless kid to something that is eventually going to be a woman. How everyone suddenly treated her differently, because of her body. How she even started getting treated differently by adults and unwanted sexual attention. The trouble with accepting herself, learning to accept the woman, who grows inside of you and society's expectations for her. Comparison and competition with the other girls in her environment, who might be further ahead in puberty and maybe effortlessly embody womanhood, something you maybe have to learn on your own, when you don't have a mother guiding you like they do. The weird body horror with literally bleeding and even losing chunks of flesh every month. The pain of menstruation. Becoming a being, whose personality, tastes and wants is dictated by a hormonal cycle.Not a single woman, except an extremely politized woman, would ever talk about her own womanhood by stating her biological cells are female or the weird autistic shit you just said, anon.
>>43474452>a nonpassing preop reddit tranny>femalewhy are sneeds like this jfc
>>43478287no, I was "amab". I was assigned male at birth, which is an unnecessarily long way to say that I was male at birth and I grew up as a boyand now I've medically transitioned to the point where I'm no longer male, and I resent being classified by how I used to be, rather than how I am now. That isn't biology, it's history.
>>43478316>pre opstop pushing mutilation on peopletrans women would gladly order a real vagina, if that was possible, but turning their dick inside out isn't the same thing as a vagina, it's a frankensteinian mockery
>>43478314>Not a single woman, except an extremely politized woman, would ever talk about her own womanhood by stating her biological cells are femalebut there are millions of women who do define themselves by biological traits. I didn't start that. also I think you're missing the point, I wasn't even talking about being a woman in the first place, I was talking about being female. You're the one who's trying to conflate social womanhood with biological sex.
>>43478326Imthere is no such thing as a female penis
>>43478344>also I think you're missing the point, I wasn't even talking about being a woman in the first place, I was talking about being female. You're the one who's trying to conflate social womanhood with biological sex.No real woman is going to think of these things as fundamentally different concepts, anon.
>>43474621basically anyone who gets dogged on or harassed for not being a man
>>43477941On the contrary, I've never been in a situation where my so-called "biological sex" mattered.I've been in situations where my genital configuration mattered.I've been in situations where my physical fitness or strength mattered.I've been in situations where the social role I fill mattered.I've never once been in a situation where saying "biological male" was directly relevant or topical. It's only ever been a shorthand used by TERFs or other sexists to discriminate.Even the medical stuff can be sorted out by BEING SPECIFIC about what actually matters, rather than saying "male."
>>43478414I bet more women think sex and gender are different than men doregardless, it doesn't change anything I've said
>>43474540fpbplong-term education is the only thing that can fix transphobia
>>43474558Yup. Im tired of pretending some fake ass shit where we werent born in the wrong body. I hate being a boy i do not want to be a boy but i wont deny i was born as one. People like the redditor believed all the dosgshit with ko proof that they are magically a woman the whole time
>>43474540actually no, of you have a profound self-hatred and are open to the idea that you look like a clown, i will sympathize with you and accept you as a conservative ally, even if you are a trans woman/menyou see, now we live in a political world where the cultural impact is more important than the factual truth
>>43474452need a transgirl like that fr
>>43474540>thought terminating clichéby all means keep digging in with zero analysis or strategy, i'm sure that'll go great for you
>>43474452>>43474540>>43478186Alright anons, I admit it, trans women are biologically female! They will never be genetically female, thoughbeit.
>>43478809>>43478841>>43478927I'm actually kinda lost now on why my post got 7 replies. You're all kinda doing too much desu. It wasn't that deep
>>43479030Like I definitely hit a nerve with that one
>>43474540>>43474558I’ve gone down that line of thinking with some people and they said that they might be one of the good ones but we shouldn’t be allowed hormones. We shouldn’t be allowed to change names. We shouldn’t be allowed to talk to people about it. Transphobes think the one of the good ones is the end of a noose or never transitioning
According to cluster categorization of sex, I am far more female than most average males. Just because one part of me still reads males or comes back on a test as male. Doesn’t mean the rest does
>>43474540the massive new wave of trans hate all started around 2016-2018 as soon as mouthy trannies like (You) started making demands. most people didn't even know what a tranny was before then and what few did typically viewed them in a sympathetic light. you're too young to remember more than likely considering the board we're on, but the rampant transphobia we see now is a very recent phenomenon and it was entirely manufactured by deranged trannies like (You)
>>43479093Calm down
>>43478186https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determination_of_sex
>>43479093I was around for that era, and these psyops glow like fucking hell.
>>43479050no, it's just that "they would hate us anyway!" is a shit argument. like by default it's not anything you can prove, you just say it to shut people up
if trans women truly believed they were biological females they wouldn't call themselves trans women they would just call themselves women. there wouldn't be a trans pride flag, there wouldn't be r/MTF, there wouldn't be a T in LGBT. they would just live as women and go on dates with men and talk about makeup and all that shit. but even the most staunch "I AM A WOMYN" tranny will still self-identify as a trans woman because they know they are not females
>>43479125Do you actually think I'm willing to put in the effort to prove something to you right now?
>>43479177If you're really not trying to convince anyone, cool. But be aware that no one is going to take your beliefs seriously until you can actually form an argument supporting them.
>>43479140im a ladyboy
>>43479221You are so chronically online and out of touch if you think I was genuinely trying to make an argument with that. I made that post like 8 hours ago and didn't think much of it. You're taking it way too seriously. Maybe take like a cold shower or something
>>43479140>if black women truly believed they were women they wouldn't call themselves black women they would just call themselves women.etc etci do just call myself a woman other than when my being trans means something. it would be rly weird to pretend that, even if i did change my sex, i became cis. i am a trans woman and also female idk why thats hard to understand
>>43479221>nooo we're going to stop transphobia right now by making the proper arguments on 4chan !! No one on 4chan is going to take you seriously if you don't make proper arguments :(( You need to actually try to convince people on hereGo outside
>>43479281you're biologically male and socially female (if you pass).
>>43479221Put your proper argument up your ass hon
>>43479296i rly could not care less what words you use for it, i exist in the world as any other female would and if you think im male thats fine idc lol
>>43479112>sex (seks),>1. The biologic character or quality that distinguishes male and female from one another as expressed by analysis of the person's gonadal, morphologic (internal and external), chromosomal, and hormonal characteristics>Farlex Partner Medical Dictionary>sex>b: the sum of the structural, functional, and sometimes behavioral characteristics of organisms that distinguish males and females>Merriam Webster Medical Definition>sex (seks ) [L. sexus, sex]>1. The characteristics that differentiate males and females in most plants and animals.>2. Gender. >Taber's Medical Dictionary
>>43479296I don’t think you understand biology beyond fifth grade. sex cluster categorization would say I lean more female than male
>>43479337you sound 15, are you larping or just unserious? because your reply is completely irrelevant to the subject. i never even said i would categorize you as male.>>43479351?>>43479112lol
>>43479569missclicked, i meant to say lol to this >>43479365 xitter poisoned moron
