i am a cis man on hrt

>>43477039
have you any trvkes to share, sar?

why do you keep posting about being cis on hrt. is it part of the fetish for you? some kind of exhibitionist thing? just take your E like the rest of us, retard <3

>>43477031
Retarded pointless bizarre liminal nightmare existence the kind of nonsense that makes a man wish to die violently or commit to a virtuous life

>>43477061
this is my first time posting a thread like this and i am considering de-cis-man-on-hrt-ing so i wanted to hear others' experiences to weigh in on my decision first

>>43477063
iktf

>>43477073
whyd you start taking it in the first place. also whats it like having boobs you dont want?

ywnbacmohrt

Being a cis male on hrt is a worse optics nuke than being an effortful twinkhon

>>43477094
peter pan syndrome and i dont have boobs, just some gyno. if you kept taking e to the point of boobs you are a boymoder or manmoder or something instead imo.

>>43477111
what is it a optics nuke for? the cis male community lol?

>>43477111
How is a effortful twinkhon an optics nuke

>>43477173
do twinks become twinkhons?

>>43477111
>please dont reduce us to our genitals
>BE A BETTER POLITICAL PROP FOR PEOPLE WHO HATE US NO MATTER WHAT
I hate this board so much

>>43477185
Not all twinks become twinkhons some become passoids

>>43477148
>if you kept taking e to the point of boobs you are a boymoder or manmoder or something instead imo
you could still be a cishrtard (pronounced sisher-tard, im coining that) if you have boobs of you dont wish you were born a woman. boymoder and manmoder are both subtypes of troons

most my friends which most are younger,1 up to 3 years, have all had their hairlines completely obliterated. its v/selfish and cruel, but it makes me feel good

>>43477215
sometimes we become hons

>>43477242
That’s an oversimplification, wishing I was born female doesn’t preclude me from being cis on hrt

>>43477031
you can just take e for years and nobody you interact with will know

>>43477293
This really isnt true, people have asked me if im trans a few times before.

>>43477031
is there a day to view the original video? its been removed

>>43477215
theres no way i would become a pasoid i have gigamoided shoulders.
>>43477262
did you become a hon and detroon back to twink?
>>43477242
what if i wish i were born a girl but iwnbaw so the real choice is between hon and twink?
>>43477253
this is why i started hrt to begin with i think. idk how people just accept losing their hair?>>43477293
>>43477326
i think theres a grace period before people start knowing

>>43477283
>wishing I was born female
>cis
literally polar opposites. water and fucking oil. youre not cis, pal.

>>43477354
if you pass as cis you are cis thobeit

>>43477031
You will feel paranoid when you go outside that someone will know you are on tranny drugs. I wear open jackets and try to hide with my hair.

>>43477347
>did you become a hon and detroon back to twink?
Yes but then I got back on it so now im a hon/manmoder

>>43477347
>what if i wish i were born a girl but iwnbaw so the real choice is between hon and twink?
if you wish you were born a woman that makes you a woman. any other way of trying to define it has exceptions. if you wish you were born a woman / think youd be happier as a woman / want to be a woman you are not cis. its that simple

>>43477326
when does that start then lol, almost 2 years now and most i get is comments on how nice my hair is.

>>43477402
Im at like 2 1/3 years and its happened 4 times but one was by my doctor so I don't think it counts as a stranger.

>>43477362
>if you pass as cis you are cis thobeit
wdym by pass as sis? like a stealth trans woman? she is stilö not cis. if you want to be a woman but no one knows thats just having a secret

>>43477386
there is no way you went from twink to hon, that doesn't even make sense. I think you are mental or lying to scare people from hrt.

>>43477372
iktf, certified trvke. im already afraid of situations now where i wouldnt have been in the past.
>>43477386
do you have any trvth nukes to share having lived as both a twink, a hon, and a manmoder?
>>43477397
i think wishing to be born a girl is because it would have solved my problems but also i dont want to be a woman because that would only create more problems. im already feeling some of those problems just by being quietly on e.

>>43477434
pass as cis male

>>43477423
People will ask you that if you are just androgynous looking male these days. Happened to me all the time on the internets before I even bothered touching hrt. Figure it doesn't happen irl because socially awkward question to ask, and I always acted masculine, and dressed in guys clothes.

>>43477440
I walked into a bathroom the other day saw some scary looking bald guy with a beard, there was only one urinal next to him, and I said uh oh out loud and went to the sit down toilet and pissed lmao.

>>43477458
lmaooo

>>43477464
and the door to the urinal was way lighter than I thought which I kicked open because I'm a germaphobe and it made a dramtic sound.

I mean sit down toilet

>>43477061
anti woke won so everyone here is afraid of saying they're women/nb

>>43477440
>solved my problems
what problems?
>create more problems
what peoblems?

>>43477354
Transsexuals have a birth condition, there is insufficient evidence suggesting I have such a condition, making me a cissexual male who wishes he was cissexual female or at least transsexual female

>>43477372
This, going on hrt worsened my neurosis about going outside ten fold.

>>43477453
a coworker said he didnt know I rocked the andro look when I tied my hair up... i feel like thats the polite way of telling someone they look like a faggot

>>43477439
I did and Im not lying or trying to discourage anyone, I manmode now but if Id look just like any of the hons people post here to make fun of if I presented myself differently.

im a cis male on hrt but i dont have any truth nukes to share

>>43477185
Depends on stat growths at time of evolution

>>43477475
lmfao
>>43477489
gnc male problems. instead of being disrespected for being feminine and liking men it would be normal.
>>43477488
as soon as trump won everything got worse
>>43477497
thats why i havent taken e yet today im starting to feel like theres a strong divide between me and men

>>43477516
Kek get told you look like a faggot, or for the bichuds they start joking about fucking you if you are hot.

>>43477516
right but its better to look like you own it than to be insecure or accidental about it at least.

m8 u look like a fokin' lesbian. Actually my nurse just asks me if I like metal LOL.

>>43477532
not even a crumb?

too bad I can't tell them the real reason is I am obsessed with bishonen characters and want to look like one... because that's too autistic. Like I don't even care for any western expression of male femininity exception of boy george.

>>43477589
outside anime is bishonen the same as twink irl?

>>43477440
My only truth nuke is that youll need to learn to not let some random hoes spike your cortisol when you're just being you

>>43477031
its nice not having to hold in testosterone rage anymore in day to day life

>>43477601
Yeah I guess so, but they are going to think about like short haired flamers in LA.

>>43477636
yeah but I am starting to feel like a massive pussy now, like I am super avoidant of conflict. I just hope things blow over, or try to keep myself out of situations now. Before I'd just be like if this guy calls me a faggot I'll just kick his ass.

>>43477637
when i showed my pics to ai it said i look like a bishonen too

>>43477668
based af

>>43477606
in the moment i have really good ability to always stay calm but then when i get home the rumination starts and it hits

>>43477674
here is the prompt i used

>how would you describe the person as a whole, as well as details about the hair, skin, face, gender presentation, age, demeanor, personality profile and so on. Be descriptive please, provide detailed information about overall phenotype and physiognomy. and what kind of character, part, or role they would play in a story or movie or play, just to paint a portrait and give a sense of the overall vibe / archetype. thanks!

>If you were to categorize the appearance where would it be
>on the scale of masculine <-> feminine

>how would you describe the type in internet parlance

>what do these types compare to, eg what are the names of the more masculine and feminine archetypes? and also, what are synonyms to these

>>43477559
i own tf outta it, I throw my shit up into jujukaisen type hairstyles lol. i got the hair, ima fucking show it off.
I dont mind andro, its when I start looking honnish...

>>43477718
stupid computer called me she

>>43477805
lol i get they'ed

chatgpt glazing the hell out of me, and these are with pics before I started HRT 3 months ago lol.
Calling me ethereal and 75% on fem side with your prompt.

>>43477790
i like andro too. the hon look is from uncanny valley and looking like a man trying & failing to be a woman which is unsettling. andro is good when its effortless and natural like a lot of naturally andrognyous twinks try to bulk up and be chads or wiggers and they end up giving a similar uncanny energy as hons too imo.

>>43477897
kek I feel that I could never pull off a masc look. I can't even dress conventionally masc without looking some retarded pooner.

>>43477889
try this

>On the masculinity <-> femininity scale, compared to the male and female populace separately instead of altogether, how would it be
it will be more fem relative to males and less relative to females

>>43477111
You just need to better at looking feminine. It’ll come. Or just don’t tell them at first.

>>43477031
transition is painted as this life changing thing for better or worse but the reality is my life is exactly the same.

>>43477897
Its hard to really know where you fall is the thing

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>>43477915
Ahhhh good way of prompting it

>>43477935
yea its not healthy to be self aware of this (hypervigilance) but we literally have to for our safety. thats what makes it hard and everyone will have a different opinion too
>>43477938
is this chatgpt? ive only tried it with gemini and claude

>>43477962
ye, I'll try with the others for the hell of it.

claude puts me at 60th(lowest) percentile feminine range for foids, chatgpt puts me at 55th(lowest), and gemini lines up with the other two assessments but w/o assigning percentiles.

>>43477031
>picrel
holyshit its literally me

>>43477970
im trying chatgpt and its rejecting my questions that gemini and claude answer lol like you can ask them
>how would the person be pinned politically
>what are the fitting archetypes in lgbt or queer subculture tribes
but chatgpt wont answer those
>>43478058
Noah?? XD

>>43477111
there is no optics nuke. the optics nuke (me) was prevented by keeping everything to myself
i feel like it would be tranphobic to say im trans, to put myself in the same category as real trans women
i,sgine if lilytino just kept it private, thats me

>>43477935
yeahhhhh....

>>43477492
this guy gets it

Okay this is a hte story time. Some ratbag looking twat used to suck my dick all the time babysitting. Finally I got the chance and even didn’t even go near it it stunk. Even when forced, nope stunk bite. From then on I could write a book and how much I needed a ratbag cis htr to suck my dick.

>>43478076
strong guardrails

>>43477718
>>43477915
I'm not even on HRT and it placed me right in the middle, being far feminine leaning on the scale for men and far masculine leaning on the scale for women. Either I'm built for this role or AI is lying.

>>43478076
doomer watching noah smoking cigs (w gyno edition)

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>>43477031
that it sucks and is no better than repping. I'm more dysphoric and dissatisfied with my life than before starting hrt bc after nearly 2.5 years hrt I still am without question a man. the whole experience has made me realize my body has been cooked since 13 and I'm mentally pathetic and useless with no drive to resolve the anxieties I have with social transitioning.

>>43478160
I mean if you wanted to pass for some reason being far masculine leaning amongst women would make it difficult.

Claude thinks I am afab, and called me a lesbian LOL. Also casually used normie and doomer.

>>43478196
I don't really care about passing I'm just saying it's weird how my answers line up with other hrt users even though I'm not on hrt.

>>43478213
I honestly feel like when looking at male population it's just looking at gender non-conformity, once it compares you against foids it's just raw how feminine you look.

>>43478164
lol i love whoever made that pic it was one of my favorite moments in board history
>>43478160
it glazed and lies about some things but like, its not going to say that if you werent actually fem for a male. but you might just have long hair or something im not sure, maybe ask what is behind its logic
>>43478185
grim. but if you are dysphoric at least its keeping you from masculinizing

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>>43478296
>its keeping you from masculinizing
I mean aside from stopping balding, which is good, I feel like it hasn't helped me look any less masculine. I still have lots of body hair, I'm still tall, and my shoulders are still wide. like yes having hair and 'boobs' is cool but I still feel really uncomfortable in my body.

>>43478339
lol im short and barely any body hair, im still fucked LOL, theres always another fish nona~

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>>43478296
This is what it had to say about me, so I think the long hair and clean shaven face are doing a lot of heavy lifting

>>43477897
ive always wanted to be andro because my appearance is so laughably male that the idea of adopting femininity as the goal is just self harm. ill always be visibly male so i feel like i need to work with that. makes me faketrans though and alienated from all trannies so iiwii

>>43477031
>You will get compliments on your skin
>You won't be able to go swimming without some kind of cover up or surgery (rash guards save my life)
>You are in for some extremely uncomfortable conversations should you try to get a boyfriend

>>43478575
>You are in for some extremely uncomfortable conversations should you try to get a boyfriend
Thats why Im thinking about stopping even though I dont really feel like Ill be any happier not on hrt.

>>43478433
What is this Ai shit obsession? I’ve transitioned and had more guys than you ever know. Fuck sake, the taste BE ME FEMININE. Out. Sick of this shit.

>>43478380
I know I just kinda wish it had turned out different yk?

>>43478757
>just kinda wish it had turned out different yk?
yeahhh... ik v.v
butatleastweaintbaldamirite ;_;

>>43477031
We're a lot more common than we realize.
Going on E as a fag usually works out great. Going on E as a straggot is really hard mode and I have deep respect for those who make it.
HRT is not magic. Ik it's not a trvke but it's nauseating how many people (both troons and hrt femboys) ascribe almost magical properties to AAs and estradiol. It doesn't do "nothing" and it's not responsible for your agoraphobia. Both those who are disappointed in hrt and some of the most enthusiastic enjoyers describe things that are simply not possible because of estrogen (but are possible because of other things).
The fact that it disrupts with my urination (due to prostate shrinking) is really annoying.
Been doing hrt for 9 years by now (jfc, i'm old kek).
>>43478516
>makes me faketrans though and alienated from all trannies
There are more of us than all trannies. Hrtwinking is the future, unironically.
>>43478575
>You are in for some extremely uncomfortable conversations should you try to get a boyfriend
The opposite experience. Masc bifags were more willing to hit me up. The limit was me because I didn't want to whore out.
Still, my bf finds my gyno hot and life is comfy finally.

>>43479529
Why do you think theres lots of us, are you seeing them around or something?

>>43477031
hrt gave me reverse dysphoria but I still can’t stop

>>43478339
stopping balding is still a huge W. idk what else to say because i dont take e to become a woman, i know thats impossible so not only is it not an expectation but i dont even want it, but i do like being fem and pretty and wanna preserve that. i think im just peter pan syndrome, afraid of twink death, want to stay cute and happy and not masculinize, and my problems come from being a male and people treating me bad for not being manly. i feel better on e but im afraid of looking uncanny and being treated worse for that. its weird some people dont care at all, some support me, and others i just know not to tell because they would act like its worse than confessing to murder lol
>>43478380
yeah this. the silver lining of the black pill is that everyones screwed in their own ways.
>>43478433
sounds reasonable. its looking at both styling and proportions
>>43478516
i feel that. its better not to have labels as goals and set goals that are achievable instead, thats more fulfilling and rewarding. maybe part of the reason androgyny is more appealing is because its so personal and individual that its different than chasing some social standard like ideal man or masculinity or femininity or passing as a woman. androgyny is more of a process and its unique to the individual. you go from chasing a trend and conforming to a social standard to discovering and expressing yourself the way you want. without boxing yourself into a label. i think everyone can be more androgynous. and in doing so you become more yourself, compared to leaning too far into either masc or fem, which means limiting yourself in some ways. maybe im just fundamentally nonbinary and projecting though?
>makes me faketrans though and alienated from all trannies so iiwii
this is the clincher. it triggers everyone who is submitting to labels because their ego depends on it. and most people do that so its alienating just existing as an androgynous person, and its only permissible with pretty privilege.

>>43479529
>hrtwinking is the future, unironically
It really isn't but I hope it is. Even though I lean towards women more I wouldn't say no to dating an hrt male as long as he was at least androgynous and nice and mid looking.

>>43479734
>are you seeing them around or something?
That too, in a way. I live in a city of 300,000 in the chuddy part of Europe. Nine years ago there was exactly one (me). Now I know personally seven and the gymrats who fetch hormones for everyone (both T and E) say they have several dozens of customers (none of them me or my acquaintances).
But more broadly, DiY being really easy simply broke the main barrier: the gatekeeping.
I had to lie that i want to troon out to get estrogen. Most weren't willing to do that.
It's still hard to gauge because, as >>43479780 correctly points out, it still is the case that a lot of people would like confessing to murder so... we just don't say.
My bf knows, of course but that's about it. He's the only non-estrogenized dude that knows what I'm doing (though the gymrats suspect it, but never ask because they don't give af and they do trt anyway). And I'm keeping it that way.

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>>43478739
its not that deep lol, its just something fun to mess around with when bored. if it bothers you it will probably pass soon as the novelty wears off.
>>43479529
>>43479734
i think there are a lot of us like just look at how much activity these threads get and they arent even generals lol also i go on instagram and i see posts like picrel and i dont even use instagram, i made it during college when i was larping as a fratboy lol so idk how zucks algo knows to give me that but the point is my ig account is normie algo and the posts numbers speak for itself. what would be interesting for more proof how many people are doing this would be seeing the numbers DIY hrt merchants are doing and clinics like planned parenthood and folx etc. would give an idea how many people are doing this. it's definitely a lot more than just us though.

>>43479805
>hrtwinking is the future, unironically
>It really isn't but I hope it is
Well, when I said it's the future I meant for guys who kinda want to change some things and be more fem but don't subscribe to tranny brainworms and are otherwise quite okay with being guys (aka cis men on hrt).
>Even though I lean towards women more I wouldn't say no to dating an hrt male as long as he was at least androgynous and nice and mid looking
Well, I can't judge. I looked for a very masc bf precisely because he makes me look better. I probably would've been more "successful" if I were bottom only but I'm just a regular fag.
No regrets though. Found an amazing life partner. He just wanted a light touch of femininity on a guy so from his POV he won the lottery. From my POV I won the lottery too because I wanted someone more malebrained than me but also a life partner.
Unless my health deteriorates or some shit, I'm not stopping e till I'm 50 or something, lol.

>>43479886

Do you realise how long it takes to sort my face before going out? Or my my figure? You can mass spam all you want, this is my life.

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>>43479898
>Well, when I said it's the future I meant for guys who kinda want to change some things and be more fem but don't subscribe to tranny brainworms and are otherwise quite okay with being guys (aka cis men on hrt)
NYT has already published articles on cis women on T. i wouldnt be surprised if there are journalists studying what we're doing too. where there's demand there's a market, and i've wondered for a long time what would happen if mainstream companies like ForHims/Hers made something like a "forTrans" service shipping out hrt. could happen in america in the next dem administration. it's already what Plume, FOLX, Queermed, QueerDoc, TrueU, Spectrum are doing, a mainstream company just doesnt want the backlash while transphobia is hot, but eventually the market is too big to pass up. there is too much money in fertility preservation and ivf/surrogacy too, and with aging populations and people planning the future more, these markets wont be slowing down. its inevitable. whats only available to the rich and intellectually curious today will be available to everyone in the future.

>>43480071
>how long it takes to sort my face before going out?
you ugly or something?

>>43480094
Worth more than you. Youd let a camel nigger shot on your chest for ¥5.

its uh, i am definitely on it, i guess
i go outside like twice a year so it doesnt really matter, my dad questions me on my chest i just say its because of my hair medication, which technically isnt a lie, if he finds out im expecting him to kick me out/descend into alcoholism/kill himself or all of the above