Hey! Seeking other transwomen who live their lives avoiding cis women as much as possible after transitioning. My biggest problem now is guy friends bringing their girlfriends around occassionally, and sometimes women in professional settings trying to act chummy to get a gay best friend.7 yrs hrt ffs etc etc. Looking to build TWGTOW community online.Share your experiences too :DPicunrel
>>43481094> PicunrelIf that’s you- you look more like a fucking FtM than an MtF.Which would probably explain all your problems lol
>>43481173Thats a celebrated ftmtf detransitioner
>>43481094Oh dang you have rich parents and autism, crazy how you can tell from just a picture
I know this is written kind of joke-y, but I’m serious. A lot of trans women have trauma from and around cis women. Visibly trans women (especially bi or lesbian) can be seriously at risk from cis women. Whether its them siccing random dudes or authority figures on you or spreading rumors about you that damage your social, professional, or public life. There are lots of reasons to practice caution and keep a healthy distance in our personal lives.
>>43481173that’s maia wood dummy
>>43481094i have some cis women friends (who know) but for the most part i stealth. i dont think i could do one without the other lol. the few im ok with knowing dont treat me differently for it. black lesbians tend to be really nice to trans girls btw especially if ur a poc girl… i think they get the otherization
cis women scare me (manmoder) a lot and I try to avoid them as much as possible.I can't believe I had to be born a rape ogre instead of a real human being
>>43481182>>43481398I don’t know or care they’re ugly as shit
>>43481413You are not included in this experience for sure. The longer you’re trans and not able to stealth, the greater the gap grows between you and your friends who have been stealthing for longer and longer.For those of us who still live it every day, it’s important we can lean on eachother in our own spaces.
>>43481431>cis women scare me (manmoder) a lot and I try to avoid them as much as possiblesame, i've been a manmoder for 15 years and cis women still really scare me because i'm terrified of making them uncomfortable. i'm sad that i never got to experience any sense of camaraderie with cis women and they probably wouldn't ever see me as one of them
>>4348161915..? As in 10 + 5..? You’ve been on hrt for that long and never presented?
>>43481619This is pretty much exactly how I feel.
>>43481642yes i started at 16 and i am 31 now. i've had ffs, and i think most people would consider me a semipassoid but i've done nothing to socially transition since i don't actually pass. i might try to socially transition if i can go for a year without getting misgendered, last time it happened for certain was in december last year, and it might have happened again 2 months ago, but i'm only 40% sure so i'm willing to write it off because it was in the netherlands and the guy may have said something else. the only time i've girlmoded in public was when i was like 6 months into my transition
>>43481840Ah i see. Something similar for me. Started at 18 and 25 now. I changed my clothes and name and had some surgery, but still not really socially different. I do not pass other than at a distance or in under 1 minute interactions. Definitely isolating.Its ironic, i used to feel i got along with girls better before all this. Were always half or more of my friends. Now, its been years. Im more make socialized than any time in my life. Its sad. Not likely to change soon in this political climate.
>>43481094I can’t help but laugh at this googlied eyed loser :,D
>>43482044I did something similar. now with this trump shit imma have to change my gender shit back to male.
>>43482044yeah it's kinda depressing, i recently had to fly for 15 hours and i sat next to this asian woman and i just felt like such an ogre and i just hope i didn't make her uncomfortable on this long ass flight. i have no idea if she thought i was a man or a woman or if she wasn't even sure but the whole ordeal made me kinda depressed. i've still been spiraling over the december incident because that was the time when i very clearly got called "sir". i mean i have some copes like the fact that it happened in my shitty small town of 2000 people where the person may have heard me talk in my moid voice before but it's pretty unlikely. i've been drinking kind of a lot recently and trying to disassociate from it all because i'm just really struggling to cope
I don't hate women but I have a lifetime of trauma because of them. I actively avoid women for my own safety. It's really sad that women constantly invade my safe spaces, discriminate against me, then sob and moan that they are the victims.
>>43482283Its ok anon ik exactly how you feel and its not uncommon at all. The gaslighting around it is insane. Then you experience a different kind of taboo/gaslighting when you transition and still carry those feelings around. Its not easy
>>43482283oh, i don't hate women and don't have anything against them in general, i just don't want to make them uncomfortable with my existence and presence because i think that if i'm seen as a man or as a tranny, i'd be inevitably seen as some kind of a weird creep. i've not really had any negative experiences with cis women that were attributable to them being women as opposed to them just being bad human beings
>>43482317i'll add that one of the worst parts about being a semipassoid is that you're exposed to the experiences that most other women are subjected to in terms of harassment from men, so you have enough experience and understanding of what they go through, but you also feel like you're basically part of the problem because you don't pass well enough to be able to be in the spaces reserved for women where they would discuss such experiences and feel safe. it is a lonely and isolating experience as you're excluded from most conventional support networks
how is this lolcow taken seriously? it takes 5 seconds to see that its autistic(unironically) and thus incapable of forming any credible source of info
>>43481094this is literally retarded and disgusting ew wtf are u smoking >>43481393what does this even mean
>>43482413His pronouns are she/her!!
>its ok when shes a girl dude!!Fuck these people bro coddled af while trans women are hitler for writing mean words
Omg its kyles cousin
this but unironicallyabsolutely despise women so much it's unreal>>43482568THIS>>43481413kys>>43481840basedgiwtwm
i was once close friends with someone like you. at first i thought she had some sort of principled trans feminist stance about how cis women treated us. over time it became clear it was more about shame and envy and social anxiety. unsurprisingly she was also weird to other people for the same reasons.
>>43484082what if i'm like op and was congenial with cis women until my closest friend and ostensible ally ghosted me for some transphobic shit (anti-surgery fear mongering) not before telling me that she sees me as an intersex women (i.e., not a REAL woman) and hence left me unable to ever trust one ever again
>>43484125idk what to say. im sorry that happened to you but also go get therapy
>>43484141what's therapy going to do about cis women being incapable of being allies
>>43484173you have a false, black and white belief based on something traumatic happening to you that causes you ongoing trust issues. i think this is probably hurting you as it means you are less able to relate to and feels sisterhood with other women which i think is rly important for tgirls to learn to accept and enjoy
>>43484026You get it..>>43484082If this is how you talk about your friends would love to see how you talk about your enemies lmao>>43484125If you feel so above it, go out and live your life instead of dunking on 4chan users.For the serious people here, im not sure if i want to make a group or just a recurrinb general. Its a relief not to be alone with these feelings and to talk to other people
>>43484273>If this is how you talk about your friends would love to see how you talk about your enemies lmaoshe's not my friend, she turned out to be a mean bully which is why i'm comfortable saying this stuff
>>43484282You sound just as smug. I see why you two got along so well
Honestly its mostly transbians who are like this… straight girls do NOT act like this
>>43481094i hate women as a manmoder and avoid them at all costs. it's too painful
>>43481094I hate this wall eyed kike so much
>>43481094fed post. if not made obvious by the 'transwomen'
>>43485959I know why people get mad at it but still dont know why people get mad at it its dumb. Same with troon. Somehow 9000x more offensive than tranny?? But imo sounds like a cute woodland creature vs granny
>>43486237>transwoman = not a real woman>trans woman = real womanthis is what trannies unironically believe
>>43486258Well, one format makes it seem like a descriptor, a way to stick a foot into the "woman" gender door.The other turns transwomen into their own gender, which is far less messy than trying to redefine adult AFaB. They obviously don't like this because "assimilation" (see: to other people, intrusion and compromisation) is the mission.
>>43485581trvke
>>43482413Ummmm believe all women??Not sure about trannies tho they have too many personality disorders
>>43484194in my experience there is no sisterhood with cis women, they'll always see you as tainted by male socialization... I've had nice cis female friends after transition, but sisterhood was never a factor
>>43481094This person looks like an irl picar character
>>43486625Makes you wonder if Pixar is flooded with poonahs and theyfabs and that's why the stories/direction are ass and the animation style even worse
>>43481094I'm gonna avoid how retarded your face looks and just clown on that ugly ass Miami Vice Slav tuxedo youre wearing. My trauma, literally all my trauma can be blamed on this fucking fit, right here. In all tiny fibers of my being I ficking hate you. I fucking HATE that track suit. If I catch you in public, I am gonna set you on fire, piss and stomp out the fire. Just to set you on fire once more.
>>43481393I'd be interested if cis guys were banned first. I've had some traumatic experiences with cis women it's true, but there is no contest as to who is more violent and traumatizing.
>>43484346They're not going to pick you hon. If anything cis women should hate you more because who's her man going to cheat on her with? It's not gonna be Lilith.
>>43481094what about cis hatingno cissoid takes trannies seriously so i hate both equally
>>43484194>you have a false,it's trvth>i think this is probably hurting you as it means you are less able to relate to and feels sisterhood with other women which i think is rly important for tgirls to learn to accept and enjoyfuck thatwomen are enemieslearned that the hard way>>43484273>You get it..i'm right>If you feel so above it, go out and live your life instead of dunking on 4chan users.???what??>>43484346retard>>43487383thisi didn't become an incel until i started competing against women>>43485581>every trans woman that has actually been close to a cis woman has been betrayed by them.TRVKE>>43486617>they'll always see you as tainted by male socializationthat or biology>>43486951men at least have something to offer, unlike women>>43487594i hate both for different reasons
>>43489050>i hate both for different reasonssameime it's like you're either token fag/gay man, "woman but not actually woman so like third gender", or manbro-litelike honestly best comparison i can think of is being fat or ugly and having others be timid and react awkwardly when the topic of you ever having a relationship comes up, where they can't imagine and struggle to entertain the thought and act sincerely while stifling laughs, the audacity of that guy - that's how it feels to be a tranny around cis people in any sense beyond the superficialyou're treated like a tv show filler character and never taken seriously, you're not expected to have thoughts or feelings
>>43489269TRVKETCD
>>43489269Holy fuck accurate
>>43489269>"woman but not actually woman so like third gender"had a cis girl roommate i had been living with for about a year at that point and was pretty friendly with tell me that when i initially moved in her boyfriend didn't want to live with a boy because he was possessive and didn't want someone to try to make a move on her and she thought girls were too much drama so i was a "compromise"helpful reminder that pretty much all cis people see me that way even my friends with few exceptionsmy tranny life is so much easier when i avoid them so i feel you op
I don't hate cis women. one tried to make friends with me recently, she invited me to her place to fix a lightswitch.
>>43481393this this thisespecially around nonbineys, if ur in a "community" with lots of enbies they'll most likely fuck you up socially.
>tgirl friend i like a lot starts showing up to the (almost exclusively tgirl) hangout with a new cis girl she just started dating>dont really like this new girl (first interaction with her was her telling me i look like some moid celebrity) but whatever>within like 2 months cis girl shows up without her and claims she was abusing her and says my friend is never showing up to the hangout againavoid the cisfoid
>>43490622>>43490571>>43489329I mean, yeahYou're third-genderYou're transwomenMale first, she/her window dressing
>>43491543im a real woman c*s women are just larpers desu
>>43492026Based adopted child logic. You actually wanted to be a woman
Tbh I would in many ways include early transitioners. We just share very few experiences. You haven’t lived til a young transitioner has repeatedly they/them’d you as a fellow trans woman.
>>43490622all drs have treated me like some medical curiosity to be indulged but not entertained, i've had therapists refer to my sex with my ex as 'gay sex', had 'friends' multiple times say "do whatever makes you happy" and become coy when were clothes shopping together and i ask about an outfit, people heavily allude i'm a man with bizzare off-comments about elegibility for certain social events or conduct, had people straight up tell me they see me as a gay man and expect me to be okay with that, 'allies' actively abandon me in-situ during transphobic and humiliating confrontations in public, rooms go silent if i express any modicum of attraction or desire to have romantic partners, i'm expected to be quiet as people discuss my right to life and why transphobia is a good thing because speaking up has them batting me down with 'its not that bad'they don't accept us, they merely tolerate us, tolerance != acceptancenow they don't even think it's an innate condition (the old "man/woman inside" meme), they just think it's a costume, so they entertain it to an extent, if you don't push their boundariesthank you idpol and transexual -> transgender rebranding for reframing transition as an elective aesthetic>helpful reminder that pretty much all cis people see me that way even my friends with few exceptionsi've only ever met one cis person who actually believed i was a woman and it was my ex, literally every time i've tried to 'relax' or trust cissies otherwise i've been burntmen will be upfront and obvious with their transphobia, bashedly unaware, women will hide it and conform to maintain face
>>43494019tyd
>>43494019>>43495833i feel this really just confirms that this thread is full of people who are too bitter to accept themselves as female. those young transitioners are the same as you
>>43496100I don't think there's any females in here...save for, mayhaps, a lurking poonah?
>>43496119my point was that people in this thread seem to think young transitioners are similar to cis women some how, compared to being as trans as they are
>>43484026Why do you want to be a woman if you don't like them? Its weird. Do you just want to skinwalk them to attract mates? Whats up? /GenIts like those transmascs that don't want to be like cis men
>>43496384it's a fetish for these people, just like how tboys who don't want to be like cis men are just fujos. this is not how women think. they like the trappings of femininity because it excites them to feel like something lesser than a normal man, but they want nothing to do with that which they hate (women). they think that to be a woman is to be degraded and they desire degradation because of their kink. there's no other explanation
>>43494559>thank you idpol and transexual -> transgender rebranding for reframing transition as an elective aestheticSo many troons here don't want to be women but penis girls so I think that most of you are transgenders not transsexuals
>>43481393If you have trust issues with men because of an abusive dad, you have cultural support. If you have trust issues with women because of an abusive mom, everyone blames you for being misogynist.
>>43496384dysphoriabeing as close to biological female is more important than anything social>>43496414retardi used to be a male feminist before i trooned out and didn't even turn incel until 3 years in
I hate cis women beyond words but I also hate other trannies including you too, especially transbians and any hsts pretty than me (so like 99% of them). And any afabs. And faggots.
>>43497379you are going to detransition
>>43497395I'm like almost 6 years in so I doubt it but ok. I like guys, I don't like gays, I don't like people knowing I'm gay, I don't like faggot culture, and I don't like being gay. Failed transition is the best way to limp along like I'll live a normal life one day. But it's more than likely I will de-alive (extremely likely!!!) than detrans. Give some encouragement if you want.
>>43496384I have a condition called gender dysphoria where im uncomfortable in a mans body. I know, it can be a lot to wrap your head around.Theres nothing inherently wrong with every woman, but trans women and especially bi or lesbian visibly trans women get extremely mistreated and excluded by cis women. And there are real consequences to your life on the other side of that. It makes a lot of sense to be cautious and frustrated.
>>43497796>especially bi or lesbian visibly trans women get extremely mistreatedwtf that's literally so weird, I wonder why that could be...
>>43497379>>43497423literally me
