>hang out with trans men once>"wtf dude lets hang out some more!?">sees me crashing out on my story>"are you okay man? whats going on"I can't hang around them too long because I have a hard time reciprocating knowing damn well they only fw me because they want to get closer to maleness and I'm only an insulting example of that.>get to hang with trans women irl, for once>online they immediately never give a fuck about anything I say or dismiss me>in a group conversation they're obviously just on autopilot following the motions whenever they're talking to me>immediately uncomfortable when I arrive, but it doesn't seem to be in a "you're how I was way" because they never clock me>oh, must be because they think I'm a dude right?REWIND<< to when I accidentally clock myself in front of a group in which there are multiple trans women and one of them is quickly becoming a good friend who I talk to on multiple occasions. >everybody now knows I'm trans and my good friend is now making fun of me for wanting to have sex with girls with penises in front of people who I didn't know>she even lets it slip out that I started injections in front of everyone, trans girls includedSo obviously now that everybody knows I'm basically "a trans girl" it must be chiller to be around them? Right? Right??>in the car we're joking about anal sex for at least ten minutes and trannies>I joke as well about trannies having sex and the car immediately goes silent There was even an earlier incident where a trans woman who was at first giving me advice on how I could start estrogen ignored me when we saw each other again until the very last second where we were forced into conversation. Obviously I'm just repulsive to the people I want to be in some fucking way.
>>43483260You should come out to your trans male friends, they'd still fw you I promiseSorry about your experiences with groups of two faced mfers. There are real ones out there...
>>43483276The problem isn't the men, it's the woman. They reject the fuck out of me and I don't know why. The trans guys are really nice, but it's obvious they only gravitate towards me because they think I'm a fucking man. It's also hard being around them in general because I'm better at clocking their unpassing attributes because I'm so much more familiar with masculinity than with femininity.
>>43483260>fucking magic, isnt it. i'm sorry you're going through this, anon. it sucks, it fucking sucks.
>>43483365It's because they see you as a man. I assume you are a manmoder.> my good friend is now making fun of me for wanting to have sex with girls with penises in front of people who I didn't knowYou're being labeled as a man, as a chaser. You're the token straight man they don't want to have sex with. They pity you but they don't like you.You aren't repulsive. I'm sorry they exclude and other you because you have no confidence. You remind themselves of how much they hated themselves, and how much they still hate aspects of themselves. That doesn't mean You suck, they're just cunts. Hug.
>>43483260Trans women are kind of mean to baby trans. Sorry! I dont know why this is. When i was first coming out the trans women in my social sphere wanted nothing to do with me i think we might be repulsed by having to relive the cringe early years vicariously through you?
>>43483429>It's because they see you as a man. I assume you are a manmoder.Yeah of course that's why.>You're being labeled as a man, as a chaser. You're the token straight man they don't want to have sex with. They pity you but they don't like you.But why? I'm literally only the closest thing to them?? There's like no one else who gets why the fuck I would want to take estrogen? Why??>>43483437I assume this but also like a lot of them seem to also be repulsed at me when I'm just a man.
>>43483541I don't know. I'm not MtF so I don't hold the same biases that some MtFs may have.But I feel repulsed by pre trans/early trans FtMs. And it's not just because I view them as fakebois, I am repulsed by them. I think it's because trooning doesn't seem like a sane thing to do until you're really doing it, going through the stages of transition. Before you hit your first stepping stones, you're insane. I never feel that way about MtFs, I view it as a tragedy or as a point of strength of character, or beautiful if I'm feeling sappy. But when I see members of my own sex doing it, if they're not mogging me or equal to me, it's insane to watch, makes me feel ashamed of myself, I feel like they don't get what I'm doing, I feel like I don't get them.You should ask the friend you are closest to about it. I hope they give you an answer that brings you closer.
>>43483567Also, they may not trust you because you "aren't trying"
>>43483567nta. this is pretty cool insight. I actually feel similarly. The only thing I woul add op is that often times in life people just dont fw you for no fault of your own. there are many reasons why, and it's not your fault. you sort of just have to let it go and focus on being yourself and spending your time with people that are receptive, because no matter how much you try, people aren't going to like you back just because you like them.
>>43483571yeah, i think this is probably part of it. depending on the order in which those conversations occurred, your behavior prior, and how you look, youre gonna get categorized by other trans women (explicitly or subconsciously) as a chaser or a trender/appropriating being a tranny. of course im not saying youre like this but the amount of times trans women get the “oh you wanna be a giiirl? haha hey me too ;)” from sissy fetish types, i think it kind of builds up this reflex of extreme skepticism toward anyone that isnt clearly well into their transition
>>43483609>The only thing I woul add op is that often times in life people just dont fw you for no fault of your own. there are many reasons why, and it's not your fault. you sort of just have to let it go and focus on being yourself and spending your time with people that are receptive, because no matter how much you try, people aren't going to like you back just because you like them.This is a hard thing for me to let go of. I was raised to never ever question why someone else made decisions and to always trust in what most people generally think of you, to be people pleasing in every way and not to "trust in your inner self and like people that like you for who you are." It's not like I don't understand why someone would believe in that, it's just the logic doesn't make sense to me. If you were constantly doing this, which you can do, you'd eventually just fool yourself into really bad behavior. You could become a really racist pedophile very easily with that logic and I have literally seen people fall into that trap. I just don't trust myself when I'm not constantly trying to gauge what other people think of me, I mean I could be a really bad person left to my own devices! That's why facing up to being trans was so hard because it definitely came from the worst part of me. It definitely started from looking at sissy shit as a kid. It wasn't anything natural. I just eventually had to admit I was going to be a bad person regardless and dive headfirst into it.
>>43483869>be a bad person regardless and dive headfirst into it.respect anon, there are far worse ways to live. if life's going to kick you in the teeth, you may as well kick back.
>Chaser moid scares trans women, wonders why they avoid himWeird
>>43483869I am a people pleaser too. I think if you are like that there is less of a chance of you acting badly. And it's still important to look back at yourself and audit your behavior to see if you are a problem, but think of all the times you didn't want to talk to others, there were probably many reasons for it, you just weren't mentally up for it, you were tired, feeling anxious, or many other possibilities. It's important to recognize that other people too are complex beings and you can't be friends with everyone and sometimes people just dont vibe with you and that's ok.
i dont fucking know, i just figure most of them are rat bastards and im going to make more money than them because if i sell my soul to the oil companies and i have a monogamous partner (who is MALE so fuck you on that too, "lesbo") so they can fuck off anyways even though im an ugly male bastard who can't do anything right without cheating
>>43484144yeah you all never did anything to me besides inspire me to be a less shit version of myself and i still hate your guts because the world isn't fair yada yada yada
>>43483997>>Chaser moid scares trans women, wonders why they avoid himLegitimately, how the fuck am I not supposed to be a chaser when I am what I am? When I'm so attracted to being trans and being with another trans woman that I think of killing myself? Am I supposed to just die?!>And it's still important to look back at yourself and audit your behavior to see if you are a problem, but think of all the times you didn't want to talk to others, there were probably many reasons for it, you just weren't mentally up for itOk this is true.
>>43483260Every time i see a new trans person jt makes me feel less valid and more like I fell for a trend that i still havent caught wise too. Trans women are like cats we either cat get enough of you or are insulted by your presence
