Part of me wishes I went my whole life without realising I was trans. I'm 21 and I went my whole life until now without paying attention to the many obvious signs and now I am miserable knowing transitioning and passing (yeah sue me I want to pass) may remain a pipe dream because I come from a third world country and my family is incredibly transphobic. Hopefully things work out in the near future.
>>43483804you seem like you have low-dysphoria. you should just rep desu and let it fully go. you will feel better. rn you think you must troon, but that is not true
>>43483804You're not trans.You're just desperate.
>>43484172desperate for what exactly
>>43484223You tell me. I don't know you, personally.But nobody decided to suddenly become a woman without being desperate in some way.
>>43484229holy shit we have fucking sigmand foid over here with the high level psychological advice thanks bro
>>43484280>Dodges the question Thanks for confirming you're not genuine about this discussion ig
>>43484229I don't think so. I have always felt out of touch with my own masculinity but I didn't think much of it. On the other hand I always liked it when I looked feminine or did feminine stuff like when I painted my nails or clipped my hair when I grew it long. Unfortunately growing up I could never explore these things because of my household. I don't think I just realized overnight that I want to be a woman. Although you aren't entirely wrong either, because for me the tipping point was realizing I hated being viewed as a man. Especially by people I liked. I have gone most of my life associating with people I didn't really respect so I never paid much thought to how they viewed me, but after finding my people in college I just knew this is not how I want them to see me.
>>43484296>OP: yeah im a tranny i cant help it i hate my life>uhh no here some voodoo bullshit pseudopsychologyyour genuine alright, your just a dumbshit and we already have enough of those in the world so cut it out and go somewhere else
>>43484296jesus fucking christ I got stuff to do outside this board
>>43484305>blablaidk bro u should rep because the pendulum is swinging back hard because hard times are coming, and that means leftism has no future because it is based on a anti-life delusion that we all can be hqppy under the rainbow
>>43484339oh my god, you used "leftism" unironically in a life advice session. Fucking kill yourself already you sad fucking retard
>>43484351i can feel your cortisol through your phone. it ages you bro
>>43484365>idk bro u should rep because the pendulum is swinging back hard because hard times are coming, and that means LEFTISM has no futurei don't think someone capable of writing that unironically is fit to drive.
>>43484305Just because you truscum autists can't find a box to check on someone's trans identity doesn't mean anon is faketrans.This reads as geniune vent. I'd just ask what type of dysphoria? Are we talking sex dysphoria or just an aversion to masculinity?Because painting nails and doing "feminine" things doesn't require transition desu. I'm trans in that its not that I want to be more feminine, rather I biologically need a sex change. Its my belief all trans people who need sex change require at the very least that sort of recognition. That its not because I want to be less masculine or whatever, rather I was born as a woman but with male body parts and I need female body parts to live healthily. But I don't know you, so could be more under the hood so maybe what I just said made sense for you.If it didn't, rethink transition. Your family and the current society you live in can accept you more based on this and if you realize you don't need it, then rep your gender identity so you can avoid flak. But if there's more I'm not getting and you need sex change, you absolutely can't rep and things "won't work out" in the future. Take the reins. Get DIY for fuck's sake. I know its a third world country, but get money, get on it (hondose if you need to) and find a way to escape. If you don't like how this looks, please remember that you're fighting for your body, for your life. You got to do what you got to do. Get off 4chan, get money, get DIY, stay focused, and you'll set up guardrails for yourself that will make you love yourself when you're 31. You can't rely on other people to make you happy, rather the foundations you build to sustain your happiness. Build those foundations. Fuck the world. That is if you need sex change.Fuck Good Luck. Do it.
anyways, if you have the means to you should probably embrace it you should, it only gets worse over time. That being said, if you genuiely cannot, run screaming from us as far as you can so you are never reminded of us again. These days I don't know if that's possible but its the only way to be happy repping.
>>43484314>Starts thread >FFS I'M TOO BUSY TO MAKE THREADS?
>>43484380we'll see bro. i just have to say: lots of zoomer males are hard-right. in my class in a european capital city, 5 out of 10 dudes were literal nazis
Hey you seem new so maybe dont come here seeking genuine help and dont reply to the. Chuds they're just looking for an easy target. Sorry everything sucks right now i know the first year is hard af. Immigration is complicated but you can build your career around it and itll be easy. Like you could at least teach a language in a foreign country
>>43484390I'm not sure how your country is with trans people, but if its anywhere near western tier or I don't think pleasing your family is worth it, its terrifying what people who rep turn out as.
>>43484396im not afraid of you people because i know this whole 2020's era nazi thing is just a cope for being an incompetent retard so if it gets bad enough to put me in a camp i know its not like there will be jobs or running water anyways.I know this because I was one of you before I trooned out to cope with how much of a sad retard I was.
>>43484417You used to be a national socialist? What was it like?
>>43484387I know for a fact that I would be happier in a woman's body, but my misery stems from the fact that I have been robbed of so many years of womanhood and will most likely be tormented by it for the rest of my life. My experience with dysphoria has been mild so far but if it gets worse and reaches a point where I need the sex change then I need to take some extreme measures.
>>43484444>I know for a fact that I would be happier in a woman's bodyYou wouldn't have a woman's body if you transitioned tho. You'd still be male, sex wise.
>>43484444I mean if you can, embracing it is pretty great but I don't know if your situation makes that doable. Maybe it seems like it but I don't think "ooh I wasted X years" will bother you that much after you go for it.
>>43484417just because you were an incompetent retard that doesn't mean we are.you are again assuming that everyone is exactly like you.>no jobs and wateryes because of your nihilistic and anri-human ideologywe are already heading that way after 80 years of liberalism. climate change and birth rate collapse + a hedonistic dystopia with slop amd degeneracy everywhere
>>43484404oh they just passed a law that invalidates self identification. it's hell out here.
>>43484444Wow no one told you being a teen girl sucks becouse the other girls are little demons? You are 21 you are practically a teen still suck it ul
>>43484454I mean, I'm not a big fan of the crotch but I really just want to look into the mirror and see a woman staring back at me. If that makes sense.
>>43484456well do you have any usable skills? Or are you just going to keep complaining about trannies instead of building your ubermensch utopia. Because all this is, is you feel safe in numbers and then you bungle everything because none of you actually worked a day in your life. This happened in America when all our closet nazis got duped by the orange pedophile and then bungled everything he gave them the chance to run, its incredibly sad to watch.
>>43484474Sure, but taper your expectations before you end up depressed.You will still be male, you won't ever have a female body.
>>43484481i think there is room for improve for me, but yeah i am pretty well off skills wise. i know you midwits love credentials, so let me tell you: i have a cs bachelor's degree
>>43484492Hey anon you kind of suck ass bruh. I look in the mirror and see a woman's body. It might not be the precision engineering you autistics constantly measure bones for but it's enough to make me happy. I can actually look in mirrors now when one used to ruin ny day
>>43484444Ok, mild dysphoria "now" when you're 21. But after a while, it gets worse and worse and worse. Its not rather that you want to have a "woman's" body. You already are a woman, yet you have the wrong chromosomes, the wrong hormonal input and your body has deformed via testosterone. If you think you're male and need sex change, that's not a healthy mentality for a trans woman. Its not that we're male and men - we never were. You can't change the chromosomes. However, getting on estrogen will change that. As you are aware, you feel robbed of those years. Everything you're mentioning is what other trans women have felt and later regretted saying they shouldn't have repped. "Mild dysphoria." is a recipe for "it getting worse."Advice: don't wait for when it gets worse. I'd say take the extremes measures and that requires you to accept that you are a trans woman, life is going to be hard but like the millions of us: you'll make it. And even if you get fucking killed, at least your tombstone won't be as a man. Run the race, don't fucking avoid and wait for someone to run it for you. That is if everything you posted is true and not a larp
>>43484502You can be delusional all you want, but you can't have a "woman's body", even if you transition.Women means "adult human female". It has nothing to do with your gender, right? So stop conflating the two.
>>43484511I have a woman's body every night when your mom slithers into my bed lil buddy
>>43484520My mom's dead so...enjoy I guess.
>>43484527yeah she killed herself because her son goes on 4chan to argue with transsexuals and brag about his CS degree
>>43484527Then she sees you jack it to troons online you're making her cry
>>43484511Little man, if your body chromosomally developed you with tits and you had a vagina and morons on the internet started telling you that you can never have a "man's body." - would you call them low IQ weak-shits?
>>43484536?I think you're getting confused
>>43484541Can a male human turn into a female human? Y/NRemeber, this is about sex, not gender.
>>43484508Thanks for being the only helpful person in this thread. I will look more into and talk about this with the one trans friend irl who I have come out to. Would you recommend coming out to more people in my life? I am scared it might change the interactions I have with them and make things worse. Not that they're transphobic but I don't know if I want to drop that bomb right now.
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>>43484536nigga lost the plot LMAO
>>43484554>Y/nYes.>Follow upCould you drink all this piss?
>>43484562>No answerI accept your concession. Thanks for confirming you couldn't do it!
>>43484568How does a male human turn into a female? Be specific please.>inb4 transitionGender =/= Sex
>>43484578>Be specific Step 1: you drink all of the piss
>>43484590You first.
>>43484590i love how trannies are unable to cope with it, so they just go around and insult people when they ask an extremely simple question
>>43484305Maybe you're just femgay?But socially too much conditioned by heteronormativity
>>43484598One does not reach the top of a mountain by letting another man drink the piss
>>43484606No, I am not into men.
>>43484618Femstraight, idkI mean your dysphoria is socially based
>>43484560It depends honestly. Trans women vary. Some feel relieved when coming out Some, like me, didn't really change much. What changed is getting SRS and going on E. Definitely talk with your trans friend but be weary because "trans" means different things to different people lol. AGP fetishist to enbies to a binaried trans women: whole lot of people. I'd say based on everything you've said, its better to know someone with sex dysphoria.Long story short, generally for your goals, not that conducive. But, socially - it could relieve you a bit just be very weary and don't have nostalgia goggles. But you'll figure it out talking with trans people - I mean you're talking to me lol!You'll never be alone for sure, online or IRL. IRL is better though - As for cis people, I'd say no especially if you're not on hormones. People see us as rapists and weirdos and idiots. Doesn't help that you look the way you do. Online who gives af about ragebaiters, but IRL a person telling you eye-to-eye that you're disgusting is detrimental. So, I'd say no to cis friends. A flat no.A lot of this shit you gotta figure out - you got this. You got this because this is the only life you got to live. If you don't have faith to figure it out, then you must hate yourself.
>>43484608>admits he's a manlol
>>43484599Its not cope. Its just too complex for some people to understand. I mean, its like talking about physics and you're still stuck on arithmetic. Just so you are aware, asking these sorts of questions don't really make trans people mad. Again, the piss-poster is accurate.
>>43484645More of a man then you xD only autistic throw-aways want to debate biology on the internet with someone sending them horse piss pictures. Get Kirked
>>43484659>see we actually know why our statement is true, but we don't tell you because you must be incapable of understanding it, so we just keeps this truth to ourselvescope
>>43484709You're the only person ITT who's used the word "debate" chud
>>43484638Thanks again. I'll keep your advice in mind. Have a good one.
>>43484659Explain this complex topic to me or you're just as dumb as i am! Cries the dumbest man alive
>>43484172How do you even knownymif you're trans or just maladjusted desperately autistic? And does the latter make you trans regardless?
>>43484715What constructs the body in general? Hormones, correct? It develops bone growth, and generally most physical traits associated with women.Anything and everything we consider as "female biology" is replicated via HRT and surgeries. A universal female body does not exist. There are cis women who have deformities that would male them, does that make them less of women? No.The answer is pure sex. Gender, who cares about that? Saying people conflate gender and sex is incorrect. Sex - male or female - is dependent on hormones and that reflects the body. So, the question of if there is a male or female body is like saying what is 2+2 after the complex idea that I just brought up. There is no universal body because a "male or female body" is replicable and contigent on hormonal effects. Saying that a person has an innately male or female body is inherently stupid.I don't think its cope. I think you can't fathom a subset of people and you want to keep asking why does 2+2 = 4 when this is a Physics class. This is more complex than 2+2 = 4. And this truth is very open to anyone with eyes.Why are you here?
>>43483804>21you shall not pass
>>43483804just focus on doing things that make you happier no matter how little whatever helps is worthwhile
>>43484767Do you want to be the opposite gender? Y/N?
>>43484773very very nice but what about xy and xx>why are yiu here?i am struggling with homosexual urges
>>43484773>Saying that a person has an innately male or female body is inherently stupid.It's based on the gametes you can produce. No amount of HRT can change your gamete production.
>>43484795nta but i used to until i started e now i dont. and this cycle has happened every time i go off and on e.
>>43484797Ok, let's talk about that then. Chromosomes pre-determine the level of hormones in your system. No trans woman can change their chromosomes. The same way none of us can get pregnant.Again, no universal female body. Chromosomes is as much of a marker of female biology as is pregnancy yet one is held at a much higher standard (chromosomes) because its a gotcha that doesn['t really stick when you simply recognize the whole "no universal female body" of it all.However, onto the homosexual urges, don't come here for that - this is /TTTT/ ... I'd say just go to a church if you want to repress that. Are you ashamed of having gay thoughts?
>>43484818Then you're not trans. You just like being a feminine gay man.
>>43484834i am attracted to trannies that's the problem
>>43484848What sort of trans people are you attracted to?
>>43484795What exactly constitutes gender?I'm largely indifferent to having tits and pussy, reproductive abilities, but social and aesthetical aspects of being a woman are extremely appealing. I suppose being born in eastern european illiberal environment plays a significant role here.
I spent almost 30 years without fully understanding my AGP, it's normal
>>43484857tall, slender, post srs, androgynous facelike an elf
>>43484495>usable skills>cs bachelors degreegood one
>>43484836im not a man though. and im dysphoric without e.
>>43484868Sounds like you don't want to be a woman.
>>43484882So what sex are you?
>>43484873Would she like it if you called her a genetic male? Not a rib - some trans people fw that. The only type of trans person I think that would F with that is maybe a self-hating twinkhon or a self-identified enby who skirts between male and female so it wouldn't mind. Again, that's more on gender. But most enbies are leftism piled so that tall-slender elf GNC shi may be repulsed by you -Frankly, you're looking for a GNC right-winger who had the confidence to do SRS (a lot of GNC don't even want to) ... this sounds pretty extinct. I think you should accept that you can't find a human like this and just fuck a bodypillow. Not dissing, but this seems a bit unreachable.
>>43484915i can be with just a cis woman.
>>43484893male
>>43483804I swear this trans shit is homo genocide. You never "realized" you were trans, asshole. "Trans" is an invention. A malpractice.
>>43484882This is normal. No one wants to be trans you just are. A lot of people struggle with wishing they wanted to be a woman but not yet still being mtf Its becouse its a hormone intolerance. Testosterone is the hormone that makes periods emotionally suck it makes sense some people would tolerate it less. That plus some weird self image problems like body dismorphia or mirror agnosia and you got a tranny
>>43484941it's only a word
>>43484937So I was correct earlier. Thanks for clarifying.
>>43484929the specifics you bring up: tale, slender - yes, cis women possess those qualitieson the politics of it, cis women can be all around. Possible. Androgynous face? Possible -But you want post-SRS quality. Do you want a trans pussy or a cis pussy. That's the dealbreaker here.You need to figure out if your fetish about trans women is more of post-op surgeried vaginas or if you perceive that you can never bag a cis woman with those specific qualities so rather date the body-modifying class of women and test your luck there? Because, the issue with the specs you talk about isn't that there aren't tall slender, post SRS androgynous face elf like trans women - its that they're rare to match with your personality.
>>43484950i had a horrible reaction to testosterone with puberty despite it having little effect >>43484964im not a man, just a male
>>43484893If a mtf implanted a a ovum cell they made from their own marrow stem cells, and had srs, would you consider them female?
>>43484992Man means "adult human male".Stop conflating your sex and your gender.
>>43484996No. Would you?
>>43484973desu i would be fine with trannies except the fetishist, but i just hate leftism with all my heart, so i am with the chuds, but the chuds hate you, and i am more aligned with the chuds on most of my views, so i sacrifice some of myself to stay part of it
>>43484495>i have skillz>mcdonalds degreelol
>>43485037The scientific definition of sex is based on gametes. Chromosomes are constantly changing so its not useful to base definitions on them. The y chromosome is vestigial it is evolving out of existence. Specific genes are what causes sex it doesnt matter if they are located on a y or x chromosome. The y is not universal. This is why the government is trying to define things by "sex since birth" - becouse they see the potential technological innovation leading to true human "transexuals" in the current scientific sense.
>>43485027lol you definitely know man does not mean that. no one acts like it means that
>>43485075That being said im completely fine with just emulating ovum tissue by injecting e. I dont really see the use for making the definition so ridged when animals like fish change sex. We are humans we augment evolution with tools thats what makes us different. Thats what im doing with e. Its just augmented ovarian tissue. >Reddit spaceNow if you want to define it off reproduction and claim women who cant give birth arnt women id think you were cruel but at least id respect the internal consistency of your beliefs
Here you go op>>43477300
>>43485075>Asked a "yes" or "no" question>Doesn't answer with a "yes" or "no".
>>43485263I did forget to add that part. I go off the cruel definition sadly
>>43485038lmao, look. I like pissing off people on the net too. But jfc that shit is empty.I'm not coming at you because I'm a trans woman, just on that "sacrifice some of yourself" shit regardless whatever thing you are, like you don't have to do that lolI don't agree with most trans people even if I am more aligned with them. That doesn't mean I'm gonna start parroting all their collective hivemind beliefs because personally that would kinda sicken me. And it should sicken anybody who divorces their selfhood!What you're basically saying is, "I'm a complex person but to make me feel more comfy, I'm gonna reduce myself into a collective hivemind unit."Trans or not, not being yourself, suffocating yourself leads to being more of a loser in the long run. To be frank, as optically nuked trans people are, most if not all have recognized that we don't gaf about fitting in - we just want to be ourselves.I'd say just be yourself nona, my maternal instinct just wants to make you feel okay. I know a guy who is a "chud" but supports trans people. He's in a 2 year long relationship with a trans woman and they're likely gonna get married. Its not choose to be one or the other, its just you.Bye.
>>43484887Then what do I want to be?
>>43485308>Asked a "yes" or "no" question>Doesn't answer with a "yes" or "no".>Twice
>>43485446You tell me.
>>43483804Quit watching chinese cartoons, take a break from the porn, and hang out with your dad faggot
>>43485402The seething is palpable
>>43485686a gigachad
>>43485402How does a biological male have maternal instincts?
>>43485800They don't know what the word means.
