>>43483942
C4t is a gift from god

>>43483942
I don't see cis women as any different from trans women, so as long as they aren't transphobic and don't sexualize me I'm fine with both of them!

>>43483942
yeah. idk how many cis women are willing to date trannies, tho

>>43483956
>my sexuality: don’t sexualize me!

>>43483970
I meant for them to consider me as a sex object/as a forbidden fruit

in order
i would prefer to date a trans girl who is similar to myself
then i would be happy to date a cis woman i got along well with and who was not weird about trannies
and finally i would least like to date a tranny who has not yet got over early transition stuff and can't see herself/me as entirely female

cis women who are weird about trannies are obviously not someone i'd consider at all

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>Sure I'll fuck cis women!

T = incel

>>43483988
idk why you assume someone liking women means someones sexuality is weird or perverse

>>43483988
wasn't even what the question was, you just made up a scenario and made up a strawman to humiliate lmfao

>>43483996
thats quite literally what it means though

No I will not date transphobic women

>>43484344
transphobephobe

>>43483942
I'd have to ask my Mommy (gf) if it's okay first because I don't want Her to feel as though I'm replacing Her with someone else, but if She was okay with it, yeah, I would.

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I'm dating that one that sometimes posts here about being a liking trannies more than cis women.


Only downside is the comparisons, I think she's super gorgeous and I'm awful but I look in the positive side and think "hey, if someone like her thinks I'm attractive then I must be". It's quite nice in general, we're gonna live together soon for a while and everything, having the time of my life.

As for T4T, after everything I went through and looking at the average trans woman's behavior in my country... No. Just... No... I don't wanna be coerced into polies, have to treat my partner as an animal and have to financially support a neet.

Now good luck finding a cis woman willing to date you because of how little cissoids care about our existence, I found mine in the deepest of trenches and she's autistic and nerdy enough to hang around me.

>>43483942
>would you date a cis lesbian if given the chance or would you rather just do t4t
sure why not
as long as you're hot, idc what you have in your pants

t4c piv is the reason why all life on earth was created. it is like unironically a celestial dance (as long as the tranny passes and is decently hung)

>>43483942
Im dating a cis woman and am desperately trying to escape. Lesbians relationship are wars of attrition. I dream of the mutual understanding a t4t would bring

>>43485168
May I ask why, I'm the other person in the thread who's dating one so I'm kind of curious since mine is going super well.

>>43485161
I recommend you look into someone named Nebula3, I randomly stumbled upon her and her videos fit that description.

>>43483942
I’ve only ever dated cis women, I’ve been with my current gf for 4.5 years and the entire time I’ve never had any other transbian friends until recently. I desire to be in a t4t relationship so bad. not sure what to do. too big to ignore

Not a lesbian but I would eventually if I can't get a boy to stay by the time I'm 32

>>43485250
There just needs to be 100% perfect communication becouse our mood effects eachother and misunderstandings spiral into attitudes and very long conversations about feelings that go no where. Im not even blaming her i can tell im half of the problem and we cant stop falling into it. I guess we are both just bitchy. We should have and tried to break up dozens of times and cant ever get away. Right when we are apart we both feel better and make up becouse we are so very stupid

>>43485293
Aw that really stinks, this is less of a gender thing though and more of a communication and compatibility thing. I had this experience with trans girls more than with my current cisgf.

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I tried t4t, and it SUCKED! It’s been a few years, and now I’m at a point where I get little crushes and daydream about dating again, just not with another trans woman.

>>43483942
For the last time, no. This can be the official decree from trans women to cis women mandating that they leave us alone. I've dated many more cis women than trans women. Trans women are better people. Men are better people. Cis women are selfish. So called allies are transphobic lol. They date us because women are sexually attracted to things they despise. The second you let your guard down, she will act transphobic then think you're one of the good ones. It happens every time. If you break up with her I bet she'll deadname you and try to humiliate you using your identity.

The only way a cis woman is not transphobic is if she is a pure nihilistic sociopath that thinks nothing in the world particularly matters. Dating a trans woman responsibly as a cis woman requires some abstract levels of intelligence and self actualization, the average woman is not capable of it no matter how intelligent and educated. There is something wrong with their physiology. The hierarchy always exists and EVERY cis chaser that posts here reeks of creepiness regarding hierarchies. They fetishize girlfailures, are sicko lovebombers with alleged "broken bird syndrome" while creating the broken birds. A cis woman will remind you that her tranny exes were so grateful to be with her (good for you cis women faggots, you pulled human garbage). A cis woman will put down trans people in front of you and expect her to be your good pet.

Nooo just no. And I'm not a retard that doesn't vet people. It's inherent to them. I'm only looking for people who seem like exceptions. All chasers are mentally ill and want a partner that is below them.

>I'm OP I'm not like that
Pretty sure I've recognized this mentally ill loon over the course of years and yes she does have a weird thing about hierarchies but I don't expect a midwit to reach any level of deep self awareness.

>>43485599
You're a bigot.

>>43485599
look inward

>>43485609
I do pattern recognition, I do not care about buzz words. You are too stupid to defend that point, even in a half assed way.

I will die on this hill, trans women are TRULY better people in every way.

>noo they're dysfunctional
Tranny healthcare, societal assimmillation and mental health is only improving with time. You normalshits create their dysfunction.

>>43485633
>pattern recognition
dog whistle

>>43483942
in theory i would be open to that bcuz im attracted to them but in paper im too brainwormed and i would always question whether she even sees me as a woman, how much she mogs me, how much i look like a straight agp male, how masculine i look in comparison to her etc. the only way i could date a cis woman is if she was more masc or at least taller than me (im 5'8)

>>43485628
Low IQ platitude. If that is the best counterpoint you can make, I can confidently infer that I do more introspection than you. You need to look inward, friend. You're not even wise enough to give the proper feedback when you push back on someone. There's nothing there inside your head but stupidity. Truth is truth. Queer women are dysfunctional retards and have immensely high divorce rates.

>nooo just pretend everyone is exactly the same, correlation doesn't exist, systems don't incentivize negative behaviors, or I'll project

>>43485652
The only way you know how to argue or disagree is using a reductive buzzword to silence conversation. Why should we trust you to date trans women responsibly without abusing them?

I may be conflating you with someone else, but I recognize the OP image very well. You've been here for years creeping on them. Just get married and fuck off you retard. At least the harm is being mitigated by concentrating it on one loser dumb enough to date you. Btw, your fetishization isn't cute or romantic, it's evil and creepy. All of the reasons you explain for liking trans women are vile. You're not a kind person, and you're not an ally to trans women.

>>43485700
>Why should we trust you to date trans women responsibly without abusing them?
I am a trans woman.

>>43483942
men>trans women>cis women
IME women make better friends than romantic partners. I'd have to meet someone very special to consider it. Why do you wanna date trans women anyway?

>>43483942
i’m bisexual, but I’m in a t4c relationship.
It’s one of the best feelings I’ve ever experienced.
nothing against us, but at this point, it would take a very special trans woman for me to start seeing trans women again.
though I would caution against it if you’re not comfortable with yourself. If you still have awkward feelings around cis women do not fucking emotionally terrorize your partner.

>>43485855
I apologize for the misunderstanding but you're incredibly misguided here. Moralfags love to police language but have little lived experience.

Dog whistle is such a dumb buzzword.

>>43485599
Holy generalization, I think its quite a bit reductive and misogynistic to say that 4 billion people in the world is not capable of intelligence and self actualization because of their physiology (becaus they are women), maybe you should get that checked thats not normal. For someone who is transitioning into a woman it sounds like you really hate and think really misogynistic things about women.

>>43484938
That's adorable nona, please tell us more

>>43485880
Most people are not, women absolutely are not most of the time. Most people are fucking stupid, the average IQ in the US is 96. Stereotypes exist for a reason. The divorce statistics show they're insufferable people. And AMABs are just straight up smarter lol.

I'd like to see more statistical data on mtf/cis f marriages rather than just queer women. There's a ticking time bomb for most.

You could say there's a specific skew like cis queer women are abused by society. Yes, but they're still fucked up people. Just because I'm not explaining why they're fucked up doesn't mean they're not fucked up. It just means my rhetoric wasn't compassionate enough for you, but it is 100% true.

You underestimate human nature.

There are countless trans women that dated cis women, came to similar conclusions in their head, and will date trans women silently with no explanation but refuse to explain to you honestly in real life.

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>>43485888
Well, we've known each other for 2-3y and it was really cute, she came up to me to say my voice sounded nice while playing a game in voice chat (I used to do a monotone Rei Ayanami-type voice back then) and soon enough stuff got serious. My parents told me to lock in (still lived with them for the most part) and stop hanging in social media so I cut her off and said I had to focus on my life, big mistake. After everything though, I went after it and managed to get us back in contact and we've been making all sorts of plans together now that we're more independent.

The understanding, our communication, the comfort and the way we're on the same page about everything despite being very different people and everything is so nice.

I dated some rich mfs and had flings with a plethora of people in between and I still had that emptiness to fill so I backed on my decision to cut ties over my life issues, if that doesn't mean something I don't know what does.

And also... She already found this thread and found my reply... Hello gf!!

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>>43485697
i feel the same, also really wormed. i dont think i would be open to cis women until i feel like im both pretty and passing enough to be stealth or close. and yeah i would always have doubts about whether or not she just sees me as a soft feminized boy. i have no interest in playing the "male" role in the relationship or in bed. they would def have to be my height or taller and more masc than me. idk if / how it would work without srs. im also 5'8 lol

in any case i dont plan on even attempting to date again any time soon, recently ended my first t4t relationship and need time to heal and be healthier

>>43486081
That's really sweet honestly I hope I get to have a relationship like that some day!

>>43483942
As a passoid trans woman, a cis lesbian would be my ideal partner, but cis women scare me. I see plenty of them on dating apps who like me, but I'm too afraid to talk to them. Unfortunately it's nothing more than my own deep-seated issues. Maybe describing what led to this will help? Anons, give me some perspective.

I have ADHD, so when I was a child before I got medicated, I would impulsively do dumb shit and get embarrassed. That's when it all started.

When I was in elementary school, like 3rd or 4th grade something like that, we had a Valentines event on valentines day where we gave each other chocolates and made cookies and stuff. Of course this was many years before I transitioned. Because Valentines day is all about crushes and having someone you like, I kinda felt bored / left out that I didn't have anyone I liked. So I impulsively told a friend of mine who sat near me that I had a crush on this random girl, even though I really didn't at all. This asshole then proceeds to walk right over and tell her what I said. It was extremely embarrassing and I had no idea how to play it off or come clean. So I just completely avoided interacting with her as much as possible and refused to talk about the entire situation to anyone. She never approached me or tried to speak to me about it either. We ended up having to interact like one other time in middle school I think? It was torturously awkward, especially considering how embarrassed I acted around her.

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>>43486810
In middle school, I developed an actual crush on this girl that sat next to me in geography class. She was very pretty and outgoing, and part of drama-adjacent clubs like mock trial and D&D. I was basically a zombie due to adhd meds, but she was outgoing enough to make friends even with someone as shy and reserved as me. Anyway, I was too scared to ever express my feelings or ask her out. Near the end of the year, her friend figured out I had a huge crush on her and said so openly when it had become completely obvious. I completely denied it because of my shyness and feeling like I would definitely be rejected. She said I was like her "brother from another mother" and I gave a look to her friend like, "See! you should have just kept your mouth shut!" Anyway, that happened at the end of the school year and I didn't see her all summer and didn't have classes with her the next year, so the crush faded. To this day it's really the only time I've ever experienced the "high" of a genuine crush and felt for myself how it makes you actually feel "high" when you see or spend time with the person you like.

In high school there were two girls I maybe had a shot with but ruined it due to being too dense. One was a girl who sat next to me in a computer programming class. One of my acquaintances in the class constantly kept trying to set me up with her, but I wasn't really interested in her like that, and I was too dense to pick up on the fact that maybe she was interested in me. When prom came around she approached me and asked me about my plans in detail. In hindsight she was clearly trying to get me to ask her out to prom, but I didn't realize it at all because I just saw her as a friend and couldn't concieve of the idea that a girl might like me like that. I told her the truth that I just planned to go alone and hang out with people I knew, and she left disappointed.

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>>43486849
The other girl in high school was an asian girl who sat next to me in an advanced math class. We had a project / presentation together, and afterward she asked me meet her in the library to tutor her in some of the concepts the class was going over a few times. In hindsight based on her behavior and the fact that she was way smarter than me, she definitely was trying to get me to ask her out. Once again of course I never picked up on it and it went nowhere.

In college there were two awkward / cringe scenarios with women. The first was just before I started transitioning. I was taking a summer class in programming, and my autistic ass just realized that people use body language to express romantic interest. I was insecure about my lack of success with women, so I started using body language to signal to the girl who sat next to me that I was interested in her to see if she might be interested in me back. She showed some interest in me, but then, when we were working on classwork, I realized that she wasn't really that good at programming. I immediately lost all interest in her and started acting very cold, and it became very awkward.

The second scenario was a few months into my transition. I joined the GSA club, which was honestly a huge mistake. I was still boymoding at the time due to being very shy and brainwormed / a 4chan tranny. It was mostly populated by theyfabs in a big poly relationship. They all thought I was a pooner due to the fact that I still went by my male name, and when I explained that I was too just too shy to honmode, they all had this pity party moment and said that they were very sorry for whatever I went through that made me so scared to be myself. Anyway, one of the main leaders was this really cute girl who I couldn't help but stare at constantly because she was very attractive. I never tried to express my interest even though people could tell I liked her because I was certain she wouldn't like me back.

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>>43485948
>And AMABs are just straight up smarter lol.
wonder why cis women don't line you

>>43483942
I'm really not picky either way and it depends if they're attractive to me and the kind of person I like. I have dependent personality disorder and NEED to be owned and demeaned and am an empty person. Realistically its more likely to find a trans woman who will put up with my mental illness

>>43486923
I have some more stories about women I potentially had a shot with that never went anywhere due to me being unwilling to expose the truth that I was a boymoder. But I guess that's not really important. The only other story that really stands out in my mind was recently, like in the last year. I had recently gotten FFS and VFS, and that gave me the courage to finally girlmode and socialize. I went to this explicitly sapphic rave / dance party event. I could do girlvoice, but I was still new to it at that point, so I couldn't raise my voice to be heard in loud environments. I was so anxious about being at a dance party like that alone that I ended up drinking too much before the event even began and threw up, and it got on my sweater and shoes. I cleaned it up as best as I could and tried to act cool. A cis bi woman approached me and said that her friends who she was planning on coming to the event with flaked on her and asked if I could hang out with her. Of course I said yes and made some cringe joke about mom's spaghetti, which she laughed at. It was really difficult to communicate due to me being new at girlvoice, but she seemed to be cool with me despite everything. The fact that I was still kind of nauseous made things kind of difficult, but I hung out and danced with her for a while and had an okay time at first despite how awkward I felt in that kind of environment. Eventually, she started dancing with some very attractive cis woman who was dressed up in a risque elf outfit, and they got very physical. I get that she was probably just holding back with me because of how shy I was acting, but seeing her pay 100% attention to that other cis girl and get physical with her like that while ignoring me triggered my AvPD massively. My brain interpreted it as a huge rejection and I got a cab home right away at like 11 pm just a few hours after the party started. Then I spent the rest of the night crying lol

If theres any interest I will post more stories.

I have enough gender trauma for ten lifetimes, the last thing on Earth I need is a relationship with twice as much.

I get why people do t4t but I'm not interested at all.

My last partner and current partner are cis women, before that I dated three different trannies. I would say "if given the chance" is a stretcg, I never broke up with a trans girl to be with a cis and I've been more interested in trannies primarily since I transitioned.