>>43489584
Good luck. What if you find it isn’t satisfying anymore once the taboo is gone?

>>43489584
Why cant straggots stop themself from opticsnuking?

Straights are gross

>>43489600
I don't know. I'm not doing this for the taboo but to feel hierarchically below the gorgeous ladies I'll service. Acting like a flamer and watch them laugh at me. Wanna make a woman smile and giggle? Just act like a flamer. They're wired like that.

>>43489621
Fuck optics. Cissoids are like wolves befriending us sheep. Accelerate.

>>43489584
>I'll let my MEF run wild
>wants to serve women
that's not how MEF works, OP.

>>43489677
How come

>>43489692
MEF is masochistic emasculation fetish. You don't want to emasculate, you want to flamefag mode to access women - which is a very malebrained and straggot behavior.
I'm not judging, but I'm pointing out it's just not MEF.

>>43489714
Flame fagging in company of women is in itself emasculating

>>43489731
not really. they still see you as a man and if you're still attracted to women you won't be able to keep up the charade for too long.
MEF allowed to run wild is dedicating to destroying your male self and become as feminine as possible and date only men. Women become your friends and objects of envy.
You are/may be many things but MEF you are not. At least not yet. See ya 2-3 years into hrt and after you've craved the touch of a real man for a while :)
t. actual MEF, former "straight man"

>>43489731
ur almost unbelievably narcissistic and misogynistic

>>43489600
>>43489584
It’s all fun and games until estrogen kills your libido and you can’t even remember why you started

>>43489791
Skill issue
My libido is going strong on estrogen

>>43489777
I'm 2+ years on e and am bisexual and envy women
I'm the real deal

>>43489813
>I'm 2+ years on e and envy women
That's great.
>My libido is going strong on estrogen
That's also great.
>and am bisexual
Not so great.
Get a bf into forcefem. It's not only fun and good for you mentally but also pushes you faster towards your goal. Nothing emasculates you faster than living with a real man and seeing daily that you're slowly no longer one.
>>43489791
>estrogen kills your libido and you can’t even remember why you started
nta but i'm with the anon you're responding to that this is a skill issue. Correct dosage (just do blood tests and experiment and see what works) and correct mental conditioning go a long way.

>>43489919
Why not both? Gay it up in the saloon serving ladies and doing their nails anf then go home and serve my bf's benor while moaning with my gayest fagcent.

>>43489919
Fun fact: my E is 300+ pgml and I'm on hemihydrated estradiol spray. 3 mg on my balls every 24 hours.

>>43489961
>Why not both?
I suppose it is doable. Again, I wasn't judging you. I'm a firm believer in bodily autonomy and adults doing whatever they want. I mean... I did go from "straight man" to straight woman purely for fetish reasons so who am I to judge?
>my E is 300+ pgml
Quite okay. Be careful not to fry your receptors. High levels are hit or miss. They work great on some people and are a catastrophe on others.
>on my balls
you're gonna want srs one day :)

>>43489791
Most trannies report it being as strong as before at 5+ years hrt, lower libido is babytrans shit

>>43489993
Tell me more on frying receptors

>>43490015
it's in the name. Insert too much estrogen into your body fucks up your receptors and from that point on the effects are lost. Fry them hard enough and you lose even the gains till that point.
Technically it's called receptor deregulation. It's fixable but it takes a loooong time (up to 2 years). And it comes with way higher risks of liver or kidney damage and far-from-pleasant hormonal fluctuations. The mood swings in the first few months are a walk in the park compared to what can happen if your receptors get wild.
You should be fine at 300 but higher levels are risky. Again, it works out great on some people (worked on me for instance), but it's no guarantee (saw it go wrong on a friend; she's fine now but it took almost 2 yrs to recover).

>>43490109
Fuck know now I'm really paranoid
Shit shit shit

>>43490174
if you haven't had troubles in 2+ years, you'll be fine. Your body clearly tolerates it. Just don't go too far above 300. Steady and disciplined is the key.

>>43490395
Well I accidentally followed Powers method in the beginning without know
I was 1.5 years on blockers and pills e2 60pgml (I know) and E1 are 800pgml+, got shit ton of feminization
Now I'm at 300+
Before I spent 6 months on injectable birth control intramuscular 3~4mg een
Boobs grew but I never tested blood
Now I'm on spray after some traumatic experiences with needles
Arrghhhh I assume receptor down regulation include hypothalamus receptors
Me being on mono means e receptors down regulating means hpg axis will unnuke itself and T will rise
So I assume being on mono means T rising = receptors down regulating= canary in the coal mine
Sooo I'll go with that assumption

>>43489677
This. OP doesn't understand MEF

>>43490609
Then what am i

>>43490174
Different anon, IMO the boundary is probably over 400 or higher. Cis women's levels are all over the place. I'd just make sure you are peaking over 300 and not consistently staying there. Remeber everything in life is cyclical.

>>43490629
You are a faggot into humiliation but not into feminization, otherwise you would be trying to become a woman

>>43491028
nta but becoming a woman is not the only way to cope with MEF (even though it's probably the best way if one can pull it off).
estrogenizing, being a sub to a masc man and maybe srs or nullification can be enough (in addition to femfag presentation and slowly fembraining yourself).

>>43491028
Gay coping as bottom only is a necessary step for MEFs though.
I took me ~2 years of being a "gay man" until I got fully convinced that I don't want to be a man at all and I need to feminize faster, better and permanently.
If OP is serious, he'll get there eventually, especially since he already envies women.
>>43491084
I have a friend like that. It can work though imo that is the hard mode.
t. >>43489993 & >>43489919

Hijacking to ask for mef related advice: I'm early into the process...any good money making ideas? It's an awkward spot, don't want to commit to anything big under my waning identity. Maybe part time job to have some cash flow.

based Strogg
Strogg your shit up senpai

>>43491028
Im on estrogen retard

>>43491266
How early in the process? It may take years until you can womanmode in public.
Yeah, it sucks to play double life for a while but you'd have to do that in a shit-tier job too anyway.
Also, with MEF, half measures rarely work. So the whole process ends up pretty expensive in the long run. So do commit to something big(ger) if it makes more money. Save them up 'cause you're gonna need it.

>>43489584

I did this and it worked good for me but just to warn you, you do have to develop a personality and a reason to exist other than MEF fetish eventually.

>>43489677

That's exactly how MEF works. Nail tech/masseuse is my dream job. You just have to completely destroy the male ego in order to be credibly gay enough for it.

>>43491331
Tell me more
I wanna know your story

>>43491331
this is also important. To be fair, it's true for all people in general, but trannies in particular.
lots of trannies don't mentally transition and also don't develop a personality. OP will probably be fine though since she at least socializes.

>>43489714

As long as she's not trying to have sex with the women it's fine. If you're MEF and don't pass you basically have to be like, a gay sissy.

>>43491341
>You just have to completely destroy the male ego in order to be credibly gay enough for it
OP identifies as bisexual. You do know one can be gay and still have a male ego, right?
In any event, OP clarified further and I now agree that she has potential and is gmi.

>>43489777

Both of you are half right and both somewhat in denial.

MEFs are eternally in some sense failed males and attracted to women, even post op, married to a man, and never touched a woman, we are at best bisexual to the grave.

OP is underestimating the difficulty of destroying their male ego and making themselves a straight leaning bi woman, but you are probably discounting your own straight side.

The endlessly castrated, cucked, humiliated straight male is the engine of MEF existence. Getting rid of it completely is to stop being MEF.

MEF doesn't require you to only desire or date men, it's just what's most practical.

t. true mef arch demoness

>>43491354
nta
>As long as she's not trying to have sex with the women it's fine
Yes, although the goal is to envy women and have zero attraction to them.
>If you're MEF and don't pass you basically have to be like, a gay sissy
I'll probably end up a cunt boy. It's the best I can hope for. I'll never pass as a woman but I can be femme enough to wear longer skirts and generally present andro and be fembrained.
I'm already boiwifemoding. It is what it is.
t. >>43491084

>>43491362
Op here
Not gonna lie, destroying the male ego kinda scares me
The inner faggot in me might be a scandalous fruit, that's the feeling I get
I don't know where it'll end lol

>>43489781

Yes that's the point

>>43489791

Libido dying is such a 2018 transbian forced meme on this board.

No one's libido dies on HRT, it becomes androphilic. Transbi-homs then cope and say it died because they are scared of being gay.

>>43491389
>The endlessly castrated, cucked, humiliated straight male is the engine of MEF existence. Getting rid of it completely is to stop being MEF.
That makes sense
I see myself jumping into the flamer persona in some situations and back to being male in others
Should be sustainable?

>>43490609

Anyone claiming to understand MEF isn't MEF.

t. Knower

>>43491413
It did make it lower, I was purely androphilic before starting.

>>43491389
>but you are probably discounting your own straight side
about a year after srs what little attraction to women I still had simply disappeared. It's been 6 years since I've seen a woman (IRL or in videos/pics) and went "would" instead of judging her in the usual feminine pattern.
>The endlessly castrated, cucked, humiliated straight male is the engine of MEF existence. Getting rid of it completely is to stop being MEF
Idk nona. Sexually I still see myself as a failed male and being reminded of that gets me going. When my husband says he's fucking the boy out of me my brain turns into mush. When he teases me about not having a dick I literally get wet.
I just no longer get a kick out of being teased about women. The fact that I was ever attracted to women is just a funny factoid about me atp.
>MEF doesn't require you to only desire or date men, it's just what's most practical
Fair enough. I simply went hard on that when I decided to give in. You're right that it was partly for practical reasons but also really didn't want to be into women anymore too. Took a lot to accomplish it, but it worked.

>>43491480
how long on hrt?

it's so cool that i'm going to a camp and guys like OP are making it happen sooner

>>43491503
2 years consistently, 4 since I started but I had a 10 month 'detran' phase.

>>43491342

I was a dysphoric AGP wannabe tranny as a kid, family was giga transphobic, became semi-successful straightboi by college, dysphoria got too strong transed to become a T-bean, detransed because I got brainwormed by AGP. Went extreme reppercope for the rest of my 20s, switched from heterorepping to gaycoping, eventually became a closet sissy. dysphoria numbed gradually due to chronic dissociation. Once I realized being gay wasn't a realistic possibility by 30, I basically forced myself to transition under a MEF sissy paridigm. Transitioning was surprisingly enjoyable and authentic, after a few years started to pass better and got a boyfriend and many surgeries. Eventually got SRS > MEF reduced, proceeded under vanilla straight female paradigm (current).

Never became a nail tech though I stayed in my career field. I do know as a nail tech you have to compete directly with asian immigrants which isnt easy.

>>43491401

If destroying the male ego scares you than MEF might not be for you, you have to be ready to break it.

Not saying you cant transition but maybe a more traditional modality would serve better? MEF is usually for men who have exhausted other options and feel they have literally nothing left to lose, it's almost a fully inverted morality vis a vis mainstream gender concepts.

>>43491427

No that's not what I meant, you can't manmode as a MEF, or turn off the flamer, not for long anyway, you have to go all the way with it.

The "straight man" is no more than a little kernel inside of you, an outside observer that is felt, not seen.

If you feel like you want any part of your social identity to remain male, this will be too ego dystonic. Moreso in the direction of the male side invalidating the MEF side.

Anyway people have different perspectives on man moding but personally I felt it was awful and made transition harder, because you're going to be way better at just sticking with being male than trying to do anything else.

>>43491480

Did it make it lower or kill it entirely.

>>43491492

I think we've talked before and I think we're just saying similar stuff in a different wording. Once one is post op, being attracted to women as a man physically cannot make sense because most women aren't straight and not lesbian, so its just not the same.

Nevertheless someone who was once attracted to women, once had a penis, had sexual experience with women doesn't look at women the same way a cis woman does. Attraction filtered through decades of surgery and hormones and relationship experience is still attraction, it doesn't require you see yourself as having sex with the woman to count as attraction.

>>43491206
>Gay coping as bottom only is a necessary step for MEFs though.
>I took me ~2 years of being a "gay man" until I got fully convinced that I don't want to be a man at all and I need to feminize faster, better and permanently.
haha yeah I did that

>>43489584
>serve women
disgusting

>>43491305
hrt for a few years, but stopped for various reasons. Just started again. Facial hair is mostly gone, and I am somewhat knowledgable with skincare, diet, fitness, and have some experience with being perceived feminine and using a feminine voice.
>commit to something big(ger)
True. I am nearly finished with a CS degree, I will find a way to leverage it. All the skills I've picked up are tangential to mef though. Like, I became versed in computers as a way out of my social role, so it's not a true passion for the degree. I dislike the dishonesty, but you're right about half-measures, and the alternative is worse.

>>43491714
this

>>43490008
idk im 3 months on hrt (2k pgml yea i know i preggo dosed) and my libido is nuts

>>43490395
eh 450-600pgml is fine too, gynoid fat redist at those higher levels are superior, if you're after 25 thats the main effect you're going to see anyways.

>>43491618
Just lower, its not gone completely. Also my pp shrank some.

>>43491578
>>43491610
do you have more advice for the MEF motivated? these are solid posts

>>43491990

I'm full of advice for those who want it. I don't hang out here much anymore but I wrote an entire guide (partially in jest) and a series of spicy autobiographical posts about the process which you can find here and there, some are on reddit and people have screenshots of others.

I would add your discord but I only use it on desktop currently so it'll be some time before I'll be on.

>>43492470
im interested in reading your review/thoughts of SRS if you are willing to share. you hinted at how it interacts with MEF and I am curious

>>43489919
>living with a real man and seeing daily that you’re slowly no longer one
GIWTWM very good writing

>>43492631

Well i went to Dr. Jun so functionally and aesthetically it's really good, but in terms of how you see yourself and your place in the world it's a big paradigm shift and there's a lot to talk about.

It brings into focus how the male fetish of trannies as feminized males is so dominant over the way we're seen, trans women post OP are invisible. I also feel very alienated from trans spaces and trans culture post op because so much if it is built on these implicit assumptions about having a penis. I feel that a lot of what i said about MEF pre SRS was a little naive, it was sort of like someone with bottom dysphoria doing an impression of what she assumed it would be like to not have bottom dysphoria.

The other thing is that post OP transition feels a lot more complete or over and living the rest of your life takes prominence which can be a hard adjustment because transition is a useful way to distract yourself. And you also realize that even though you pass to other people, you don't fully pass to yourself. People tell you you're beautiful and you start to stop telling people you're trans but when you look in the mirror your head still looks too big and you worry how people might change if they put 2 and 2 together and realized you're trans. I'm hyper aware of my dysphoria and bone ratios now and have had to make peace with it.

Also Its kind of a trip when youngshits online tell me they dont want SRS because they decided they like being a failmale. Which is just going back to my point of trans spaces feeling weird and alienating post srs. Discourse about boymoding or detransitioning also hits way different now.

>>43492819
>Well i went to Dr. Jun so functionally and aesthetically it's really good, but in terms of how you see yourself and your place in the world it's a big paradigm shift and there's a lot to talk about.
i'm preop with Dr. Jun so I would love to hear everything you have to say

>trans women post OP are invisible.
what makes transwomen post op invisible? a hon with a dick is still a hon, sans dick

>living the rest of your life takes prominence which can be a hard adjustment because transition is a useful way to distract yourself
I guess it is a bit like soldiers coming back from war and having to adjust to domestic life again, a job, bills, etc

>I'm hyper aware of my dysphoria and bone ratios now and have had to make peace with it.
I feel like the more I fix, the more attention I have to focus on shrinking list of things I haven't been able to address yet

>Discourse about boymoding or detransitioning also hits way different now.
how's it hit different?

>>43492889

>.

My biggest advice is take as much time off work as possible even if you dont think you'll need it. Also don't try to push the laproscopic gas out by forcing farts, just wait it out. Get fit before surgery.

>.

Because everyone thinks trans women have dicks now, a trans woman without a dick is simply not part of the conversation. When people say trans woman, they assume she has a dick.

>.

Hopefully we don't end up with tens of thousands of our names on a plaque somewhere.

>.

I don't have much to add here, other than i'm starting to try to avoid reminders of transition stuff.

>.

Idk because for a lot of people its the path of least resistance and for me its bot a practical option.

>>43489584
you would have to pay me to let you do my nails

>>43493508
>>43492889
I generally assume hons are post-op and passing or attractive tranners have dicks.
Hunter Schafer? Has a dick. Charlotte Clymer? Had SRS

>>43491537
>>43491653
>I think we've talked before
Yeah, we likely did.
>we're just saying similar stuff in a different wording
Yeah. The main similarity is that we both chose MEF very much consciously. The main difference is that you were agp beforehand while I was not. The practice is still nearly identical but the difference(s) in (self)perception are still there.
>>43491743
>CS degree
That's as stereotypical tranny as it can get. It's not even micro-news when someone in tech transitions. You'll be fine.
I socially transitioned while on my way to becoming a middle manager in logistics. That was way rougher. It worked out, but in IT/tech it would've been easier for sure.
>half-measures
What I meant by half-measures is that enbycoping does't quite work with MEF. And light ffs and srs aren't quite cheap. And idk about you but I certainly didn't have the time or the willingness to wait for a miracle to get them covered by insurance or w/e.

>>43493883
>Hunter Schafer? Has a dick
No, she doesn't. She had srs at age 18.

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>>43493943
lol no

>>43491492
nta
>Sexually I still see myself as a failed male and being reminded of that gets me going. When my husband says he's fucking the boy out of me my brain turns into mush. When he teases me about not having a dick I literally get wet.
yeah, that's me too.
>no longer get a kick out of being teased about women
I do tho. And I can't even talk about it except with my fiance.
>fact that I was ever attracted to women is just a funny factoid about me
to me it's a humiliating factoid that plays well into my mef but also keeps me going into feminizing my mind. being attracted to women sexually is for real men. i'm not one.
>>43492636
nta but she's right. my transition went faster and smoother by having a real man all the time around me. he reminds me of what i'm not and can't be. that's not only hot for me but for him too. he got more confident in his masculinity the more emasculated i became, which is exactly what we both wanted.
a relationship with a real man into forcefem is the best thing that can happen to a mef.
>>43491401
nta
>destroying the male ego kinda scares me
it's a little bit scary but overall it's fun and exciting.
just take it step by step and see where you're comfortable. leave off-ramps every step in case things go uncomfortable.

>>43493883

this is literally a repurposed version of what transphobes say about femboys. all of this type of cope is caused by an oppressed community internalizing and reproducing the structure that oppresses it. Just cuz i know I need to spell this out: if all bodily decisions were based what others find attractive, no transition would ever be justified or ever considered health care. We'd all be forced back into underground sex work or repping.

>>43493943

There are actually fake online tabloid things making ambiguous claims about hunter getting "gender affirming surgery." But i think we can treat euphoria S3E4 as confirming that she got BA. She also tucks in public now which indicated that she doesnt want to be seen with that penis bulge i.e. has dysphoria. Time will tell what she does about it. I see her getting SRS after 30.

>>43494458
>leave off-ramps every step in case things go uncomfortable.
Buy the ticket, take the ride. It's pleasurable to give up control

>>43489584
this is really lame anon, no offense. find something better to do. have you thought of, you know, dating a woman?
>>43489777
there is a passage in islam about this phenomena lmao

>>43492819
>but in terms of how you see yourself and your place in the world it's a big paradigm shift
Explain please. Most posts on reddit say they are at peace of finally feel right, not that their world gets flipped over

>>43497194

Well first off that's reddit and people are conscious of the need to sanitize and normalize their posts for a public audience. Also it's tightly regulated. Words like MEF and AGP are banned there, and what isn't banned will be policed by a legion of argumentative white people who squash anything that makes them uncomfortable. So people posting on reddit are speaking in the register of a public advocate for trans care and in opposition to transphobia.

Secondarily, I think whether or not you date men is a factor because when you have a penis you're doing anal only and the penis is forcibly integrated into your sexual veing since you have to be with a man who is okay with that at minimum. Post op, it changes. Suddenly you're more conscious that trans women are fetishized because of their penis.

But beyond that I couldn't tell you, other then that I had a strong castration fetish pre SRS and I just dont feel that anymore. Instead I feel a sexuality that doesn't have a fetish connected to the penis. That might be a more complicated way of saying "it just feels right"

>>43496095
>It's pleasurable to give up control
I would agree, but OP might not. Also this train does have intermediary stops.
My only regret is not taking the express earlier. But not everyone agrees or has to follow the same path.

>>43497360
different nona
>other then that I had a strong castration fetish pre SRS and I just dont feel that anymore
Yep.
>Instead I feel a sexuality that doesn't have a fetish connected to the penis
One day I'll probably (hopefully?) get there. For now (4yrs post op) sexually I feel more of a failed male, not less. It's different, but also no different. I don't even know how to explain it. I do fetishize his penis a lot more, that's for sure.
>reddit
unusable to me. the people there routinely describe a totally different universe as far as i'm concerned.

>>43489584
hopefully you can give a turbomanmoder like myself your old job

>>43497360
>That might be a more complicated way of saying "it just feels right"
It sounds like one has to get SRS to understand SRS and the information can't be communicated by words

>>43491413
Libido death from HRT is very common knowledge

>>43489584
That's a good career move. AI will replace IT workers long before it replaces nail salon workers.

>>43498093
>Tomatoes being largely poisonous is very common knowledge
you in 1826, probably

>>43498206
I mean they are called nightshades, they are obviously bad for you

>>43489584
in favour of mef:
>can be legit fun and enjoyable
>the outcome is usually great if done right
>increases the odds of making it
>long term likely better because it maintains tension
>ideal for androphillics
against:
>gets pretty expensive pretty fast
>requires srs (gr8 long term, painful and expensive short term)
>has rigid requirements (masochistic emasculation is not a metaphor)
>de facto mandatory femceldom if you're not into men
t. recovering from srs

bump

>>43489584
lel

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>>43496066
>But i think we can treat euphoria S3E4 as confirming that she got BA
You can just look, you don't need to guess based on a TV show lol

>>43489584
What is the point of life if not sex? U go girlboything