>trans girl>tgirli'm not a child, therefore it's trans woman, not girl>transfemi'm not a "fem". trans woman please>but it's no include heckin valid enbiesnot one. don't care>trannythat's fine thothanks for coming to my tedx talk
>>43493076>I don't care about people who are different from me. I hope Trump takes your HRT away so you learn to have some empathy for others
>>43493278retard. i'm not those people so don't use their terms to refer to me
>>43493076tranner :3
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im not a girldoo doodoo doo doo doonot yet a womandoo doodoo doo doo dooall I NEEEEEEEED is timea moment that is minewhile I'm in between*dramatic helicopter pan over antelope valley*
>>43493293nona i agree with you abt the "girl" stuff bit i think you just don't actually know what "transfem" means
>>43493845i do. and i still don't want to be called it
>>43493845No she's right. Transfem is an excuse to not call me a woman. I won't be referred to as such
>>43493874i love u
>>43493845That's irrelevant, you can't insist on self-id and neopronouns and all the rest of it and then act like someone has to accept the labels other queers use for them
>>43493887yep. i don't even really like being called a queer but i put up with it anyway because it's mostly inoffensive and is so widespread there's no use being picky. transfem makes my stomach turn, though.
>>43493867>>43493874you're objecting to this term for the same reason cis people object to being called "cis"being transfem does not erase your womanhood; it is a general descriptor.>>43493887that's perfectly fine but see above. if you are a woman who is transgender, you exist in the category of "transfeminine" you don't have to like the term, and i happen to not like it so much myelf, but it erases nothing about yourself. it only describes the trajectory of your gender
>>434939111. i'm trannssexual. my "gender" never changed. it's my sexual characteristics that are changing/have changed. if my gender is defined as the internal feeling of masculinity or womanhood, or my "brain sex" or whatever, then that's always been female, and it's my body (my sexual characteristics) which are changing (trans). defining this shit based on gender doesn't make sense and never has, since nobody can agree on a fucking definition of gender anyway2. it's a woke way of not calling me a woman. if you need an umbrella term to refer to me under, woman will do fine, as it's the umbrella which refers to skinny women, fat women, black women, white women, cis women and trans women. i don't know why i would have to be lumped in with nonbinary people who take estrogen but somehow aren't women in good faith, or, god forbid, nonbinary people who don't transition at all and have no desire to but are somehow, according to you, the same as me
>>43493911>being transfem does not erase your womanhood; it is a general descriptor.of what? what if I'm a trans women and not "fem"?
>>43493911All categories necessarily involve "erasure" because they involve generalisation. Not saying they arent useful but I disagree with your argument here
transfeminine doesn't include all trans women it's a nb thing for people that present femme when their agab is expected in society not tonot a troon thing
Queer annoys me because I'm just old enough to remember it being a pretty common insult. And frankly the way it's used now basically just means miscellaneous non-hetero, and I certainly don't define myself in opposition to anything
>>43493980that's not how people use it. not even people in this thread
>>43493985but do the heterocisnormals define themselves in opposition to you? that's the problem, they create queerness by cutting you off from the accepted set
>>43493991that's how people use it all the time
>>43494004are you retarded?
>>43493942tvke
>>43493996I don't give a fuck if the people who don't like me think we're a big sludgy mass, I object to the people who are supposed to be on my side expecting me to make it trueI'm not "not straight", I'm a man in love with another man
>>43494011Theyre on 4chan
>>43494011that's how people use it all the time
>>43494021you don't have to give a fuck but they put it on you no less
>>43494227this thread is about trans women being lumped into "transfem"
>>43494259and?
>>43494292you're talking about some other shit
>>43494303no I'm talking about why OP is right>i'm not a "fem". trans woman please
>>43494313oh, nvm. i'm op, and that's not how i understood you. to be fair, this reply (>>43494227) was also a reply to me, when i was arguing with somebody who was definitely saying some other shit
>>43494327idk what difference there is between what you or that post says thoughyou see that transfem is not the same as transwomen because it refers to "fem" not womantransfem is wibblybibbly nb stuff about gender presentation
>>43494341they were saying, as i interpreted it, that it's not a tranny thing at all. like that they were trying to correct me, when people use the term "transfem" almost exclusively to mean "trans women + nonbinary people who are 'fem' or something". if they weren't and i was just being defensive because 4chan, that's my bad
>>43494353that's me and that's what I meant I was more supporting this post >>43493964and saying that it should not be automatically applied to troons
>>43494368oh, then my bad :)
