"Detransition" is a hoax. It refers to something called "Christian self-denial delusions". They always end up having a mental breakdown and transitioning later, however.
Weird lol https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(24)00340-9/fulltext
In case you didn't know, the exact same people pushing detransition are now also pushing autism detransition
>>43493908no they arent. they're trolling that they are but it's purely to fuck with you and seem innovative in their circlejerk group chats. they dgaf about that stuff.
>>43493718Whats really weird is that Christianity taught me to repress my gender dysphoria rather than teaching me to seek treatment for my dysphoria, but 18 years of binge/purge cycles later and I'm 10+ years on hrt. Almost like it had 0 longitudinal a success.What say you?
Dude the authorities literally rape and eat children. Why would you ever trust them with anything?
I detransitioned and now I’m married. I’m not a Christian and I think the odds I would transition again are 0.
>>43493947I say I don't know what your statement even means.
>>43493963You mean the government authorities who team up with groups promoting "Detransition awareness"? lol https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/detransition-narratives/
>>43493973"Detransition" is a hoax. I believe you meant to refer to something called "Christian self-denial delusions". They always end up having a mental breakdown and transitioning later, however.
>>43493986Can you ultimately prove transition is always better than repping? No, you can't, detrooners are simply going back to repping after seeing that transition simply wasn't for them>b-but what about retransitioners??Some people are just doomed to the cycle
>>43493923Yes they are. It's the next part of the grift targeting similar individuals (parents who hate that their children have a mental disorder)
>>43494008>Can you ultimately prove transition is always betterYeah!
>>43493923>>43494053Proof btw, look up Christian Buttons and see what kind of work she's been doing
>>43494053>>43494072You really underestimate the virtue signaling. Pic related.and>Christian Buttonslike I opened their xitter account the other day and it was full of snarking about the article. Literally just trolling you and having a little giggle. This isn't something they're doing as more than a one-off piece.
>>43494072and as usual the problem is afabs
>>43494072I knew you were going to play retarded so I just went and grabbed her info for everyone to see
>>43494084I like how they never question motives and sincerity of anyone who just randomly decides to become Christian
>>43494112Isn’t that the same conservative think tank with the John50 tranny
Once a tranny always a tranny
meh, i detrooned and then retrooned yet never been a christian (or any religion) and most certainly don't go around telling people to troon or not to troon.i really hoped i could manage this without trooning. i can't so iiwii.
uh oh
>>43494146Thing is even if you aren't christian yourself you're living in a world and probably even a country that's very abrahamic influenced, especially the political and social discourse.If you're American you can ask around and people outside the country will tell you how they think it's odd how uptight Americans in particular are about sex which is a very American style of christianity at work. People here don't even notice it but it's silently influencing them.
>>43494168>If you're AmericanThank God I'm not. My country is majority atheist.>it's odd how uptight Americans in particular are about sexThat is true. But it's not odd at all. The US is a post-Puritan society just like my country is a post-communist society. Trauma heals very slowly, anon.Decades of the "progressive era" and the "social purity movement" have had a long lasting effect on the american psyche. And since it's a huge country, the inertia to get past it is also a lot slower than in my comparatively tiny country.
>>43493713Oh nice, you tied religion into it. Religion is conservative and conservative is bigotry so religion is wrong so this is wrong because it invokes religion. A brilliant display of logic and reasoning.
>>43494228Nothing you said was wrong though
>>43494208>post-communist societyidk which, but several of those had a big Christian influence themselves. most of them were also anti LGBT claiming it to be bourgeois and western. with some exceptions like East Germany.though then again the first FTM surgery was in the USSR, albeit I think it was secret.
>>43494157you can access 4chan so obviously you can order diy
>>43494240It's the most tiring straw man. Yes, religion is in many ways as dumb as flat earth or transgenderism, but erroneously propping religion up as the source of your opposition reveals your inability to defend against your opposition.
>>43494234almost two years later she still shares primarily anti-trans content, though.
>>43494273It is the source of my opposition.
>>43494289The source of your opposition is logic, evolution, biology, society, fairness, reason, aesthetics, etc., etc., etc.Make an argument, not an appeal to "the other"
>>43494309Yes yes, I know you're everything holy, oops I mean everything good. You just happen to all be like 95% christians it's just a coincidence.
>>43493983Thats my point. Trannies historically have been a thorn in the side of the authorities/a target to them.That's why i'm pro Over The Counter HRT. Doctors are tools of the state and even if you disagree about the levels of dystopia, states in the past have ultrahyleegigaraped and gasses people to death A LOT.Why tf would you just ASSUME they will do the right thing
>>43494315Nah, you just pick which gender dissenters you listen to. Try listening to intellectuals for the real opposition.Try these folks:Richard DawkinsNicholas WadeJordan PetersonHelen JoyceKathleen Stock
>>43494372Are you retarded or something?
>>43494392Uh no, did you connect one of the names on my list with a... a *depersoned* person???I'm so very sorry, terribly sorry sir, I didn't know! Unclean! Unclean!
>>43494372I'm the gender dissenter. You're the one who agrees with the oppressive government of the United States, Britain, and Russia in trying to crush alternative gender ideas. Mildly questioning your rigid pseudoscientific Christian beliefs that persecute gender minorities is the actual dissent.Having an alternative gender identity is literally considered a terrorist idea in multiple countries today. The fact you think listening to fucking Jordan Peterson makes you a dissenter is so laughable it's pathetic.
>>43493718You're missing the other huge bit. NON BINARY SELF IDENTITIFICATION. Enbies aren't really trans. They're just Gender Non Conforming idiots who don't understand the difference between being GNC and being trans. Everyone is GNC to a degree. Not everyone who is GNC is trans. I did this because I felt wrong in my body, it wasn't mine. I have made my body my own. The amount of times I have been suggested I may be "non binary" because I didn't adhere to the female social gender norms strictly disgusts me.We are not the same.Also, fuck christfags.It's all grift.
>>43494400Y'know so-called "trans" is being forced on us from the top down, yeah?
>>43494399You called yourself a "dissenter" while praising some senile academic who can't even present his supposed forte, evolutionary theory, correctly, and spends his time slobbing the knob of the richest billionaire on the planet. Your post was so brain-damaged you should delete it.
>>43494407You mean like this, you brain-damaged retard? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_transgender_people_under_the_second_Trump_administrationWhy can't the word "cisgender" be posted to X.com, the social media site owned by the richest billionaire who bought the US government? Your entire anti-trans movement is being forced from the top-down, you smug hypocritical prick.
>>43494420Well yeah, the tranny experiment is currently being terminated but this hasn't been the case for decades. For decades advocates have artificially inflated support for "trans" while simultaneously censoring dissent. Rainbow capitalism! Turning fags into fags with a lifelong medical dependency.
>>43493713I've always wondered... We're people with older religions "detransitioning"? Did Thor or Anubis ever tell anyone to detrans?
>>43494469There's no "experiment", we're aware that transition helps people with in-born gender dysphoria. You've seen the evidence and decided to reject it because you're a dishonest Christian extremist. You didn't even respond to what I posted, just asserted there was previous censorship of dissent, which is an admission of hypocrisy from you. Weird religious freak.
>>43494270why didnt you reply in the thread but no i cant
>>43494372not the anon you're responding to>Richard Dawkins"culturally christian" (his words)>Nicholas Wadevirulently pro-christian, justifies it with pseudoscience>Jordan Petersonchristian>Helen JoyceIrish catholic, virulently pro-Christian>Kathleen StockScottish Presbyterian, virulently pro-ChristianYou're not helping your argument at all. 100% of your suggestions are angloid christcucks. Not a a single one non-angloid (are there any prominent french transphobes who aren't christcucks or pisslamists?) and not a single one non-christian.
>>43494501I would have articulated all that if I though he cared. Their religions don't matter to him, he just wanted to list some "super duper smart guys!" the media told him agree and totally don't have religious motives for it (the media said so). I was more pissed at his smug assertion that he's a "dissenter" while acting this way.
its ok to detransition. i went from being a very binary trans woman to being something more fluid and masculine. while im still on estrogen i found that binary identification with the opposite sex was hurting me. however if you really had gd you probably shouldnt self harm by going off medication. be willing to be gnc biologically
>>43494498The cope is strong with this one
>>43494510Oh nice, is being a counter-culture revolutionary a part of your invented identity? A maverick out here flipping the script on oppressive christian yada yada, so cool!Nah, the specialization into sex-based roles is biological reality. No religion required, like, at all. I'm very much an atheist.Oh, and "gender dysphoria" is a culture-bound syndrome that seeks to pathologize natural gender nonconformity.
>>43494155didnt this person get pregnant too?completely ruined life, is there a female homologue to john 50?
>>43494656Stfu you rebranded homophobe. Nothing about agreeing with the right-wing Christian extremist US government's gender role-motivated oppression is protective of gender nonconformity. You don't even hear yourself. All you do is repeat media talking points like a retarded NPC.
>>43494656>sex-based roles is biological reality>oh and stop trying to pathologize natural gender nonconformity!Like this is on-face absurdity that is brazenly hypocritical. The fact you can't identify this as hypocritical makes you lower than a literal animal with dead eyes. You're less conscious than a parrot.
>>43494372>intellectuals
>>43494420I guess you wanted me to respond to your cis point. "Cis" exists simply as a mirror to "trans" to artificially put what's normal on the same footing as this new invented identity. It is as if we needed to call people without down syndrome "uppies" or some shit. Most so-called "cis" people don't like to be called as such, and since so-called "trans" is going away we won't be needing the word for much longer anyway.It becoming a "slur" on x is mostly performative. A way to for Elon to deliminate the new Twitter zeitgeist.
MTFs should either rep or transition depending on their potential and severity of dysphoria and such but pooners should univerally rep
>>43494719No, I don't want you to reply to me anymore. You're not a sapient being. Shut your retarded mouth and stop spewing trash on my thread, dog shit.
>>43494706lol what? The distribution of feminine and masculine characteristics between the sexes is bimodal dude. Gender nonconformity is normal, cutting the dick off your kid for liking pink is the CRAZIEST pathologizing of gender nonconformity imaginable! lol you guys are funny.
>>43494726He mad
>>43494741I said stop replying to me, trash. You wanted to brag about how logical you were and demonstrated your complete lack of critical thought. All you do is spam the same garbage, trivial to deconstruct talking-points inorganically pushed by billionaires and media propaganda outlets. Then you want to pretend you're some hero for doing so. Get the fuck out of here, shit head.
>>43494719>my delusions are heccin truth waaah waaah
>>43494748I'm not mad, I'm incurring a psychological cost on you for continuing to smear shit on my thread.
>>43494751No! lol
>>43494741>my strawman is heccin truth waah
>>43494761Is it that much of an exaggeration?>Every "trans" person is gender nonconforming.Great, lovely, have at it, who cares about conforming to gender.>Erm, you going to get bottom surgery?Hol' up what>Erm, your faggy child should have been born a girl, fix him...this seems problematic
>>43494779Your first point is objectively untrue, therefore your whole point is as it's an extrapolation from a fundamentally false assumption
>>43493713>>43493718>>43493740Yeah, "detrans" is just a Christian delusion motivated by self-denial. Pic related explained it well without realizing.
>>43494828I'm not following you
>>43493947The "success" is to try and prevent healthy, passing transitions.
>>43494084why the fuck is Oli London there?
>>43494228>>43494273>>43494407Nobody is intrigued by your trite, dime-a-dozen, boring, overdone garbage you're parroting from the Trump government. If I wanted the US government's official statement on trans people I would go to a government website, or any number of boring opinion pieces that exist with your exact same boring opinion. Stop pretending anyone cares. This isn't fresh, new, or interesting. Go away.
>>43494894well you never did end up doing much of that huh? we get it dude, you're slow.
>>43494928Yeah "no debate" only worked when you controlled social media. Now you will need to engage with the facts.
>>43494916Because it's all fake like Oli.
>>43494930Enlighten me. What did I say that is objectively untrue?
>>43494946Transphobes thoroughly lose every debate, as evidenced by you trying to come into this thread full of facts to smear shit on the walls. Nothing you've presented resembles facts, logic, or reason.
>>43494953Did the CIA trepanate dozens of test brain chips into your brain or are you just that fucking stupid?
>>43494719How fucking retarded are you? That wasn't an invitation for you to criticize the word "cisgender". It was a presentation evidence of how anti-trans activists censor transgender people and alternative gender ideas. Your anti-trans movement is inorganically pushed by the largest social media platforms owned by billionaires. Instead of responding to my statement of this fact, you deflected by pretending I was inviting you to debate the word whether we should use the word "cisgender". Because you're a dishonest pest.
>>43494372The people you listed are idiots. Kathleen Stock is an obvious AAP repper. Helen Joyce just hates trannies and wants them eradicated. Jordan Peterson has a scrambled brain. Richard Dawkins and Nicholas Wade belong in a retirement home.
>>43494946Sir, this is 4chan. Do you need me to call your mommy?
>>43493908wtf is “autism detransition”?
how about this take anons: transgender as a label only exists to push people into a rigid heteronormative category, and the liberals who got more fluid with how they treat it still subscribe to some of these ancient axioms: hrt makes you trans, dysphoria or dysmorphia must make you trans, etc. they are still sexist and horrible just not genderist and you all have diluted yourselves into being sexist too. just look at how "theyfabs" are treated on this board, and how hons are treated by those aforementioned nb female queers
>>43494094People that use axab need to be lined up and shot on live tv.Go fuck yourself
"Detransition" is a hoax inorganically astroturfed by Christian extremists through government propaganda and systemic discrimination.
>>43495011When you say the label ‘only exists to push people into a rigid heteronormative category,’ could you clarify which category a non-binary person who uses they/them and forgoes medical transition is being pushed into? I’m just trying to picture how that box works.
>>43495011This! "Trans" reinvented the gender boxes. It's a retarded malpractice and the sooner we wake up the better.
>>43495030theyre the exception to this anon.
>>43495011if HRT doesn’t make someone trans, and dysphoria doesn’t, what exactly determines transness in your framework, and why would anyone adopt a label that you say inherently forces them into something they’re trying to escape?
>>43495038id agree its retarded but isnt necessarily malpractice in every situation. gnc people should be able to go on hrt without needing to be this spartan progressive who thinks theyre a real x. most of them arent real x es, just gnc. and thats ok and they should be medicated
>>43495047you would need to want to internally adopt the identity of that other sex. gd might be a body thing. might be a social thing. it its the ladder youre probably trans
>>43494954Not at all, "trans" is objectively retarded and needs perpetual top-down enforcement to exist. In this way it is bound to fail, object reality will always reassert itself because it is omnipresent.
>>43495067>"Transgender ideology"So just to clarify, that is defined by acceptance of the following objective facts and information.Hormone replacement changes gene expression, making cells/tissue act more like if they had XX or XY dependent on hormone being addedhttps://www.the-scientist.com/hormone-therapy-triggers-male-gene-patterns-in-transgender-mens-cells-71014https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220228/Study-shows-the-impact-of-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-on-epigenetic-signature-of-genes.aspxHomologous structureshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_related_male_and_female_reproductive_organshttps://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/meded/grossanatomy/pelvis/homology.htmlhttps://www.maudmedical.com/news/happy-november-from-maudViable eggs from male people, viable sperm from female peoplehttps://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/05/27/1177191913/sperm-or-egg-in-lab-breakthrough-in-reproduction-designer-babies-ivghttps://theconversation.com/eggs-from-men-sperm-from-women-how-stem-cell-science-may-change-how-we-reproduce-219005Most cis women have Y chromosomes in some cells:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32065627/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16084184/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3458919/Trans men grow prostate tissuehttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/his.14587https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32282346/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00345-021-03907-yTrans women grow breasts identical to cis women'shttps://genderanalysis.net/resources/studies-on-trans-womens-breast-development/
>>43495054Yeah I agree adults should be able to do whatever they want with their own bodies, but it should be treated as cosmetic only and be available only to adults of sound mind. Trannies need to find their own lane and fucking stay there.
>>43495085elaborate wdym by cosmetic only.
>>43495006Claiming that you got misdiagnosed because autism is a scam by big pharma, yes it's the same shit
>>43495080>hyperlink chaffWhat is all this? T makes women grow beards, who fucking cares. The state of science these days, astroturfed citation circlejerks. Scientists are not immune to political and societal pressures regarding taboo topics; race, gender, and pedos being the big three in our society.
>>43495137Ohhh, so when you said you wanted "facts", you meant government propaganda that agrees with your Christian extremist agenda.
>>43495137>No I won't click the links because then I will be wronglol
>>43495093It should be treated like a tattoo or piercing. Walk in and get it done. It's not *fixing* anything, it's not a *disease to be cured,* it's fashion. Extreme body modification. That's what I mean.
>>43495142No no, I mean logically consistent facts that don't reframe reality through some post-modernist lens.
>>43495159There was nothing "post modernist" about the scientific information I posted. How is explaining that a hormone intervention changes gene expression and that is biologically observable a "post-modernist" thing? Are you brain-damaged?
>>43495144I already know all the "evidence," it's nothing.
>>43495150That's observably and biologically incorrect. Why do you think your ad-hoc opinion matters for anything?
>>43495173Why did you pretend to care about "logic" and "facts" when you planned to reject evidence? Are you just a dishonest Christian extremist pretending to be logical?
>>43495150i think to some degree this is definitely true but also some gd is purely social and some is also physical. its a bit more like visual weight lifting in that regard where the goal is self improvement in a certain direction. men can have physical gd over their bodies but social gd over being mistaken for being female
>>43495183he isnt even replying in a substantiative way stfu tranner
>>43495184>>43495189Stop posting anytime
>>43495165Ha! The transubstantiation of girl-dick by words alone is the height of post-modernism, but ok.Again, T making a girl grow a beard means exactly nothing. How is that even an argument? HRT fools some parts of the body into behaving more like the bodies of the opposite sex. Ok. Congrats? People still don't change sex, "trans" is still an invention.
>>43495202See you in 2 weeks when your Christian phase is over.
>>43495205nta but this whole thread is so weird you can detransition even without religious reasons
>>43495194? wdym anon
>>43495212Looks super grassroots and secular to me, what with all those christtard groups sponsoring them and all.
>>43495137>>43495173>"Ummm your evidence">"No not like that. How dare you try to expose me to things that challenge my views">"I can see through my third eye that everything you posted is false"Every time
>>43495183I didn't plan on rejecting evidence, I already parsed the data and arrived at my conclusion. You won't introduce me to new data.
Even pro "detrans" hoax groups say it's for political reasons. Lol
>>43495334See >>43495339You are a Flat Earther arguing with a Kerbal Space Program enthusiast.
>>43495343theyll claim being trans is political tho. theyre just obsessed with politics. christianity is just a way to justify their politics and politics to justify their role in community
>>43495304Forrest sounds like a pooner name, and Soren looks like an F to M to MtF.Would wife Laura tho
>>43495339>You won't introduce me to new data.
>>43493908so at what point did i transition to autistic and how can i reverse it??
>>43493876He looks better as a tranny anywaysHis "male" form looks like some hippie weirdo peace activist
>>43495304if i detransition its not because of christians
>>43495450Ah jeez, are you likening me to an unpersoned person again? Wow, sure showed me.Y'know, it really says something about the integrity of transgenderism that you must deem certain people and ideas to be untouchable.
>>43494228The abrahamic religions are definitely wrong and forcing others to follow the traditions of ancient semitic cult is also absolutely wrong
>>43494392Dawkins really was just controlled opposition looking back, wasn't he?
>>43495487Yes it is, lol.
>>43495490"Unpersoned"? As I demonstrated, trans people are the dissenters getting censored by billionaires. I was mocking you and your delusional billionaire friend, yes.
>>43495606im not christian its for my own private reasons, do you really not think someone can detransition for other reasons
>>43495685"Detransition" is a hoax. You keep using that word like it's an actual thing.
>>43495701i stop taking my hormones and cease trying to transition and change my identity thats a real thing are you insane what
>>43495727That's not a "de-"transition. You already transitioned. You didn't do anything to reverse the effects. You were sold a fake narrative by Christian conservatives that this constitutes a reversal in some way. Likewise you can't "de"-trans yourself because it's an in-born identity, not something that comes and goes.
>>43495758maybe this applies more in the us im not from a christian country i myself am not christianif i detransition i reverse the effects by allowing t again and letting do physical effects i guess at least in theory
