Historians and anthropologists confirm that people crossing gender boundaries have been a permanent, documented part of the human experience across almost every culture. Accepting trans women is simply acknowledging a deeply rooted reality of human nature and finally treating it with some respect.
trans women are men who crossdress, not actual womensome people are delusional and think crossdressing in public full time makes you a woman
>>43514313yes and it every one of those cultures it was gay and cringe
>>43514313>Accepting trans women is simply acknowledging a deeply rooted reality of human nature and finally treating it with some respect.except they're not saying thatthey're doing the whole "the word transgender was invented in the 90s so nobody before then was trans because being trans is a social identity not an innate neurological human characteristic" thing, as well as the "third gender is when men dress as women and take women's names and are prostitutes or beggars or something. Pre-modern Brown and Black societies were very accepting of all gender identities (men, women, and ummm something else), although mysteriously binary trans people never existed in their societies" thing
>>43514327Out in the real world, treating trans women as women is an act of basic human generosity that doctors agree dramatically reduces suffering and creates euphoria that reflects back for everyone to enjoy. It takes absolutely nothing away from anyone else, but creates a kinder, more respectful community for all of us.
>>43514313Trvke
>>43514369fuck your misandrist cultpretending men are women isn't noble or righteous >doctors agreesame doctors who agreed smoking is harmless or gays should be lobotomized?
this is a cool thread OP, don't derail it by responding to gincel
>>43514313>pink washing “third-gender” shitThe cabal of future-terf they fans really cannot help themselves. Essentially every “third gender” category is and always was a cultural way to marginalise and diminish amabs who were seen as too effeminate or not heteronormative enough without resorting to killing them. This was always a way to treat trans women and gay men as lesser or other than the rest of society and the reason theyfabs promote it is because many of them hate amabs and so don’t care about them so long as their enby (but still also a wombyn teehee) bullshit can be justified, it doesn’t hurt that it also indulges their pathetic oikophobia
Trans is neither cross-cultural nor pan-historical, the concept arose specifically in the context of modern psychology and modern medicine more broadly. To the extent it has become cross-cultural, it has done so in the the context of the proliferation of western psychology through-out the world.
>>43514313Being a braindead religionist who believed in gods and ghosts is also a cross-cultural phenomenon dating back millennia and is equally retarded. Yes, let's base our morals on ignorant savages who thought tossing people into rivers made the sky less angry
trannies are based and trad parts of western culture which explains why the shitskins at sharty and /v/ hate them so much.
i accept the premise of OP picrel in that this has existed through time. i reject the conclusion that we need a third gender position in order to 'solve' some sort of unsaid issue with trans people existing. the thing with all the 'third gender' positions in those examples is that they are culturally and historically contingent. firstly it would be wrong of us to project our own subjectivity onto those other cultures and other times and assume these experiences are the same - is someone in 21st century america changing sex really comparable to those historic examples? i think notmoreover, though, is that we can recenter our subjectivity in this conversation. i am not a indian hiraja or whatever, i am a western transsexual. within the society i exist in, there is already a gender/sex category for me - 'woman'. i integrate into this role just fine, as i believe the vast majority of trans women do. the persecution we receive is not coming from us falling outside of a sex/gender category, its coming from the fact that we are dehumanised and stereotyped and treated as whipping girls for wider social angst about sex/gender/sexuality. creating a third sex category only serves to allow cisex people to continue leaving those things unexamined, because they enjoy hurting us lol. and it actually makes those issues worsethe reason i will reject a third gender is simple - i am a woman, and i know that my marginalisation stems from the attempts to make me 'other' compared to cis women.
>>43514425I hear real pain in what you wrote, and I think a lot of folks share a fear that someone else's truth will hurt the people they love, or rewrite rules they trusted. I once felt that alarm too. But in listening to families who simply want their sister to survive, I saw that treating trans women as women isn't about ideology. It's a path that keeps neighbors alive and whole. That's a fair return for a little human generosity, and it doesn't take a single right or freedom from anyone else.
>>43514327Cross dressing men do not have estrogen dominant endocrine systems, retard. Big difference.
>>43514682You're being pedantic. All these cultures had different ways to describe or interpret the same phenomenon, sure.
>>43515544i'm not being pedantic actually, psychology has reduced being "trans" to a mental affliction, a literal illness. Its subsumption of all former conceptions of gender non-conformity and cross sex identification is disastrous and you reading transness as mental retardation back into history obliterates any ability for trannies to be anything other than lepers, tolerated or not. You are just simply wrong more broadly, you aren't using the terms and concepts correctly. cross-culturalism and pan-historical (you mean transhistorical) are fundamentally concepts that are used disparagingly within anthropology. You are on extremely shaky ground claiming things are cross-cultural or transhistorical, the OP has railroaded over wildly divergent conceptions of gender non-conformity and cross sex identification - its provides no insight into various historical cross sex behaviour, it provides no insight into contemporary cross sex behaviour.
>>43515655I hear your frustration about past medical models that did pathologize gender variance, and you are right that those models did real harm. Today, though, the DSM no longer classifies being transgender as a disorder; it focuses on the distress some people experience, not on identity itself. Understanding that shift can help us move away from treating vulnerable neighbors as "lepers" and toward building communities where everyone is seen with dignity.
>>43514313true
