Why do gay men hate women so much? I get that they aren't attracted to women, but most are just flat-out misogynistic against us.
>>43527199because they're men
>>43527199when a woman finds out you're gay all they want to do is go shopping with you and ask you about celebrities you think are hot
>>43527222And why does that upset you? That's all you faggots do anyway amongst yourselves...
>>43527199i dont know where this weird phenomenon came from, but i was on insta today and i see alot of posts by straight women calling gay men misogynist (which yes, they are) but it was so very clearly only from a place of homophobia, almost none of them have had a misogynistic interaction from a gay man.ive also seen the opposite, gay men calling straight women homophobic but it only comes from a place of misogyny, only difference is though i can assume they have had instances of homophobic interactions from straight women as per usual i dont read over anything i write so hopefully this makes sense
The only gay men who hate women are retarded rightoids and the answer to that question is "Because they;re retarded"
>>43527199we just reciprocate what we receive when we don't have to engage in their heteronormative behavior
I had a friend at work who had a mad crush on me and when she found out I was into guys she immediately pivoted to wanting to hear about gay sex
>>43527199They're not misogynistic, they hate you for your actions and values, and they don't need to put up with your bullshit just to get some pussy. The hate is not uncalled for.
>>43527199its natural to get mad at people who like men in a way thats acceptable when you also like men. its jealousy plain and simple, see drag. i pity them. a lot of gay furries are really normal about women in comparison because its not a sex segregated culture. i think we should take some notes from them as a society ... without the diapers and dog torture of course
>>43527199they don't have to be hostage to the vagina cartel like 90% of mencoincidentally, a lot of the guys that are drowning in pussy don't think too highly of its operators either (and are more prone to be rapey, contrary to the common woman delusion used to socially manipulate men)
i think it was natural to make fun of a lot of married women because they participated very heavily in reinforcing norms but thats no longer really the case. now that homosexuality is more accepted its just become yet another thing to degrade women. this whole board is a cesspool of that exact thing: women suck and are incapable of comprehending me as a sensitive young man, so i will pick out a male mate that mimics womanhood. on the other end, women have rejected me and made me feel like a monster so i will pick up their mannerisms in mimicry so i can fit into the role that they monsterously rejected. this othering is deeply antiquated but we keep diluting ourselves into thinking its justified by our suffering
>>43527199they dont, youre just gynocentric and the only way gay men can get your self absorbed ass to fuck off is to be mean to you. theres plenty of trannies who vibe with gay men because they dont give them this bs.
>>43527248>>43527510>>43527432one of the surest ways to identify a person who grew up heterosexual is to see how committed they are to downplaying the existence and scale of homophobia. given most straight people not only do not have to live in what from your youngest years is essentially a soft attitude of homophobia in all things, most observable as pre-conscious marginalisation by hets and poor opinions of your unconscious behaviours, but often partake in these things themselves, theyre strongly invested in delegitimising any complains homosexuals have about their treatment, and denying blame wherever possible.
>>43527928ive been stuck in a room with a religious deconversion counselor that told me i was going to hell if i ever touched a dick. look... anon its obvious that these issues are real and bad but you cant act like chasers and transmaxxers dont have a massive issue with women. mysoginy is not justified by homophobia and vice versa. one of the largest modern homosexual spaces (femboys) was a cesspool for casual mysoginy
just like sublimative pickmeism exists for women it very obviously exists for homosexuals. denying that is insanity
>>43528003yes yes thats all well and good. go tell that to those whove been sexually assaulted, or subjected to years of low level sexually motivated abuse by their parents, or been threatened with knives and threats of genital amputations. congrats on getting the soft treatment, not all of us are so lucky.also, note that most people of this sort somehow magically arent misogynists towards cis lesbians, for some unknown reason.
>>43528038youre not evading the jealousy allegations but ok. also ive spoken to gay male sex abuse victims and theyre much more sound of mind about this stuff than you. quit spinning your wheels and looking for groups to take out your rage on that are too diverse in thought to properly categorize. i hate boardshitter incels, thats my motto
>>43528104great, so youre a CSA apologistmany such cases among hets and their allies i suppose
>>43528118youre really fantastic at making things up. you should become a fiction novelist
>>43528003>one of the largest modern homosexual spaces (femboys)90% of that are straight incels who hate woman and trans people but still want to fetishize transwomen so they call them "femboys" instead
I don't hate women. I'm afraid of them and their power and influence over other people. Women seem to believe anything less than unconditional adoration and worship is hatred and misogyny. On the other hand women seem to consider me subhuman and okay to marginalize and abuse because muh real vagina and not disgusting faggot. In my experience growing up as a fruity gay boy who went through conversion camp and prison and homelessness for being gay, all homophobia comes from straight women.
>>43528188remember guys its straight for men to fuck men and groom little boys and get fucked by men
>>43528141maybe, i think id probably specialise in horror if i did. take some inspiration from stephen king, have nobody actually understand what i wrote. alternatively i can simply hang around lesbians whove gotten over the "women are the best" phase and it really wont take much to have them know exactly what im talking about.
>>43528003>>43528188>>43528259i actually completely missed the femboy angleyeah in my experience 90% of the femboy community is made up of bisexual (gynephilics) pedophiles
>>43527199> cisfoid mad at the one segment of men whom she doesn’t have to interact with they really are entitled
>>43528512my sister and mother were that exact kind of trash woman you are talking about and id catch strays every time i did something irregular to straight malehood to the blueprint they set out for me. so i guess we relate there>>43528529its a horrifying space. i always wonder if otokonoko or other gnc spaces in japan are better. the west has this big blob of gross male-centric fascist adjacent pedophilic gnc culture that i find to be disgusting
>>43528570its pedophilia all the way down im afraid, no outside of it save for alienation from the heterosexual reproductive logic itself.you should read some wittig if you havent already, you owe your subjectivity better than to be selfless in the face of them.
>>43527199They're not, you're suffering from 4chan brainrot.The BIGGEST GAY STEREOTYPE historically is having lots of female friends.
>>43528621>The BIGGEST GAY STEREOTYPE historically is having lots of female friends.this quite literally only applies to extroverted flamers in arguably privileged circumstances lol. the idea of it as normative in adulthood is another heterosexual fantasy of us, a vague collective intuition about what we are and where we belong thats up there with telling a gay man on the job that he "doesnt work". this is coming from someone who exclusively had female friends til puberty lol.
>>43527199This is a real problem! Boo hoo.>>43527248Lose some weight.
>>43527248>if women are homophobic, it's because of misogyny! Women never did anything wrongOHBROTHERTHIS GUY STINKS
>>43528529oh, so they're all a couple pronoun swaps away from being transbians?
>>43527199Have you considered that maybe it's not the gays, but that so many women feminist and misandrist?If a gay man gets raped, he gets discriminated against and prevented entry to any shelter or formal system to support him because he's a part of the "rapist gender" and women are all parts of the "victim" gender and thus it's said to be okay to exclude men from such shelters and stop men from builting such places, ontologically.
>>43528825never!>>43528842lol samefagging is wild also i literally never said that?! and i also agreed with said women in my reply, can you read?
>>43528869genuinely transbians do not deserve this level of slander
>>43528912some of them to desu
>>43527510>homiesexuals are getting fag bashed>let me find a way how women are the victim hereSJeWs sheesh
>>43527199If you aren't forced by biological instinct or fate to interact with or be a cis woman, they're just not enjoyable to be around. Simple as.t. ransbian
>>43527510actually real, so many troons do play out the "sensitive young amab" incel role on here
>>43528884they even got the male shelter guy to kill himself, gender of empathy and all
>>43528936sidebrained freak>>43528946cow. youre one of the good ones (trips)
>>43528946not all of them got the privilege to socially transition at 13 and have all-girl friend groups that accepted them
>>43528769tl;dr touch grassATTENTION ZOOMERS AND ALPHAS:4CHAN IS NOT REAL LIFETWITTER IS NOT REAL LIFEREDDIT IS NOT REAL LIFETUMBLR IS NOT REAL LIFEINSTAGRAM IS NOT REAL LIFETIKTOK IS NOT REAL LIFEGO THE FUCK OUTSIDE
>>43528984good postinteract with real people, much fewer of them are the monsters that the ragebait algorithms shove in your face
>>43527199>Why do gay men hate women so much?Heard a lot of women say this when I was in undergrad at it segued into homophobia 100% of the time. Maybe they just hate you in particular, and maybe you deserve it.
>>43529017trvke
>>43528912But transbians are bisexual males that dress femininely and are attracted to other AMaBs, especially if said AMaB is also a transgirl?HmmHMMMMMUtterly BAFFLING
>>43529017YOUCANNOTCRITICIZEANAFABYOUEVILBADGAYRAPESEXBEAST
>>43527213Not true at all it's because we're faggots and women are envious of our ability to ignore their sexual power they use to attract men.
>>43529084theres a smattering of sincere gold star twinkbians and lost androphilic trannies among them that makes me wary of painting in broad strokes there.
>>43529121It is a highly similar sexuality if not identical.The internalized sex target that makes them autosexual is very much not heterosexual but instead low Kinsey bi.This is like my issue with theymabs even existing. They're obviously--and have abjectly admitted to it--wishing they could commit to becoming a transwoman but find that path too scary and unobtainable.So, a "they" by cowardice only.I'm also interested in what "gold star twinkbian" means because I could guess but...
>>43529170by gold star twinkbian i mean someone has literally never stuck their dick in vag. its excusable for a """bi""" top whos a kinsey scale of like 4 or 5 but has acted on his gynephilia maybe once (think your classic hypermasc twink/twunkfucker), but not twinkbians. masc topsexuals at least have the gay male aura that distinguishes them from straggot boys in the same way topsexual lesbians have that aura that distinguishes them from straight girls.
>>43527199Throwing my hat in the ring on the boat circus here. After dating women for years. And then permanently dating men. Women are allowed to be adult Disney people. I don't like dealing with women because they usually cannot take bluntness. Because everyone wants a crumb of pussy the entitlement never stops and people will cater to there bullshit behaviors and whims. No bitch I don't want to be your gay best friend. Your a vapid boring person. Oh I don't want to date you , then it segues into my sexual exploits because supposedly I'm supposed to be cool with women prying like that. Guess what sis. I don't want to be one of the girls. I want to be left the fuck alone. But that isn't enough for women and there insatiable appetite for attention. Take care of yourself better than women and reject them. Your treated like a dirty faggot homo or the most cucked alternative (faggot bestie who becomes the emotional Fleshlight)So overall i suck cocks and like men. Simply because life is much simpler dealing with men. The current iteration of hr culture and hiring is a really great example of women off the fucking rails. Particularly white women. Most of the people in this thread are not out authentic faggots. And honestly shows. Also pooners are a great example of how white women go to great lengths to be where they aren't wanted!!!!
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>>43527199i wish but most gays are foid worshippers
>>43527199They don't have to pretend to like/put up with our whiny female behavior and drama, even though they are hypocritical because they are worse than us if anything...
>>43527308>>43527860based>>43527248foids are trying to get men to target gay men
>>43527928>>43528003homophobia and transphobia is actually androphobia . women keep selecting for anti-male behavior in men and so discrimination against them is a form of peacocking so yes foids are guilty . how about you go to social media and tell foids stop the "kill all men" hashtags instead specially they get +100k likes on such posts
>>43528003go tell women to their misandry because it is phenomena widespread
>>43528104call lesbians out on their misandry then because of jealousy . foids just have much richer lives no matter all excuses
>>43528220yes you are truly correct we live in gynocentric society and homophobia is men reacting to us not believing in the religion of vagina this is why we are hated because we might show them that there is other way to live away from slaving for foids
>>43528570> vaginal religion trauma
>>43528944>transbians not being total foid worshipperimpossible
>>43527199Because its the natural endpoint of male misogyny. If you dont feel a need to be with women then you have absolutely no reason to associate with them, and so you have no reason to have to even begrudgingly get along.Acceptance is never done willingly unfortunately.
>>43534680>misogynywrong all men including gay men worship foids only high iq ones hates them
>>43527199i think its because people tend to be more unfiltered when they are talking to people they don't want to fuck. the hate still exist in straight men. they just are not as open about it because they want sex.
>>43534721wrong but due to fear from the social power women have over str8 men who worships womenyou are projecting lesbians despise men even little boys and what you said is applicable to them
>>43534680dumbest former straight boy take yet
women suck. basically all of them. they're not even worthy of hatred. just contempt.but then they open their mouths and have opinions when unasked and unsolicited which makes everything worse.almost all are gigamisandrist anyway so I see no reason to treat them as anything other than subhuman.
>>43535187Ive literally never identified as straight in my entire life kek.
>>43535187>>43535402Hol up I might be retarded. If Ive only ever dated men does this make me straight or gay here? Idk.Im trying to say Ive only ever dated men.Ig hussy Freudian slip but yah.
>>43535459Only men as in ..men or also transmen?
>>43535468Ive been with both.
>>43535402then why imitate a straight boys thought?>>43535459>>43535512fussy confirmed
>>43535991Covenant evolution desu. Tribalism is the natural state of humanity, we always prefer to be around people with similar experiances, our brains are comfort seeking, meaning humans are conservative by nature. Gender is kinda the first defining difference in people, hence why its the oldest oppression in the world.So no shit when men are cut off from women they become way more misogynistic. I agree with the anon that said its always been there, its just gay men say the quiet part out loud
>>43536047Covergant why the actual fuck is my phone autocorrecting to covenant? Ive played maybe 5 hours of halo in my entire life.
>>43536052Convergent, retard
>>43527199we see them as ugly little competitors what do men see in women? We can dress up in women's clothes and look just as pretty even more pretty and not have those big money breasts and big fat body parts
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>>43536111If your correction is wrong you're subhuman
>>43536126Okay but you see. I have trips so Im correct. Sorry not sorry.
>>43536047you were absolutely raised straight lmaogender is the first defining difference my fucking ass
>>43536274I mean I was forced to act like I was straight for basically my entire homebound life, but I always dated boys in secret.
>>43527199Because women are biologically insane, thinking entirely by their emotions without any logic or reasoning, and modern society forbids us from acknowledging this obvious truth, making women insufferably obnoxious and downright destructive.
>>43534544>>43534532>>43534520this jealous, emotionally charged victim olympics isnt making any of you look particularly reasonable. i feel the same way about misandrists btw
women invented + enforce homophobiano women = no homophobia
>>43536286my first memory in primary school is approaching the boys to play with them and being told to fuck off back to the girls. i would have been maybe 5 at the time. i was a complete and utter stranger to boys until i went to secondary school and learned that boys could do things that were exciting. to me, gender was not the first difference at all, if anything it was a resented illusion i was forced to suffer while the straights were having their puberty.
>>43536316Idk I yaoi larped with the girls at my school lmao.
>>43536316>my first memory is trying to be like all other foids: always on a lookout to destroy male-only spaces
>>43527199>ustroons destroy masculinegays love masculinewe are enemiessimple as
>>43536324lollmao>>43536323>yaoiso during puberty then, when straight males are driven to seek out interaction with girls?
>>43536326>does drag>gets fishykek u sure do
>>43536324my memories are hazy but as a gay boy I wasn't really interested in athletics I wanted to talk and do like imagination and roleplay games and the more athletic/popular boys weren't so interested in that so it was me hanging out with the lesser boys and sort of with girls but only at the behest of my parents - like they arranged the playdates because you could sense at that young age women were above you, prioritized, treated better, and you had to be careful around them or you would get in trouble. When girls complain to adults they are taken a lot more seriously than when boys do it. My parents big scandal, in their mind, is that somehow, when I was maybe 4-5 I was playing ALONE in the sandbox, and they talk about this like it's some horrifying thing, proof that I couldn't be socialized, and that justifies them forcing me into child psychiatry from then on which I hated and fought bitterly against to no avail. But really, gay kids aren't really easily socializing with boys or girls because you are sort of in between and they way you wanna play is different than the role you are assigned.
>>43536341oops, sorry. I thought you were afab.Hugs.
>>43536347I'm nta not >>43536316) but nobody here is afab lol. I'm trying to contrast my own experience, which wasn't really outright being told to fuck off from the boys, just not fitting in and as boys got older, play was more and more about physical competition and I had no interest in that.
>>43536352>nobody here is afab lolI wish. Plenty of holes on this board, unfortunately.
>>43536337?I guess? Idk. I was kinda always the weird loser addition to the group, and was always forced to play as the basically sexless charecters. All of my friends were girls and I could never in a million years fit in with the guys.Usually during PE Id hang out with the girls and stuff. All the guys would make fun of and bully me. Had my nose broken by one of them and my face has been bogged from that since. It wasnt really till highschool when I came out as trans a 2nd time that I got to be popular for being a girl, and really ended up fully integrating into women's social circles, though after I graduated life events turned me into an anti social loser.Through life Ive exclusively dated guys. I still very vividly remember the first boy I ever had asking me out.Ig if you had to objectively categorize me it would prolly be faggot that got forced into a female role through failure as a male, and resents the female role as a whole but prefers it to any male role. Which is prolly where you're getting the 'straight' reading from, its more cis than straight.
>>43536399>faggot that got forced into a female role through failure as a malehot
>>43527199There are plenty who are not. Don't listen to the internet buddy.
>>43536341i sympathise with this. i was very marginal in female spaces but i was sort of integrated in a fashion (before puberty made them into straggots). i can very easily see things having been different had i not had a slight extroverted streak in me.>>43536399i take back my words about you being a straight boy, but i still think you got basically socialised as a straight and should really work on unlearning that so youre less toxic to your fellow queers and non-heteronormative life experiences.
>>43536482they should bewomen are the single largest force opposing gay social integration
>>43536510I like to consider myself a pragmatist. Things only are what they are in front of me. OP asked why men are misogynistic, I said why they are. Its unfortunate but thats how most people view it.Tbh these days I have mixed views on my own transition. To anyone who is attracted to trans people it seems as though Im an ideal match, but to anyone who isnt trans (read 99.5% of the population) it seems like Im an entirely cis moid who has never so much as touched HRT.Its been 5 years and I have a hard time justifying why I keep doing it, and Ive tried multiple times to enter gay male spaces over the past year and have been rejected every time.Idk. Life sucks.
>>43536646genuinely, i can see why. youre completely rejecting queer subjectivity for lack of analysis and introspection. thats not going to go down well with people whove accepted their alienation from heterosexual subjectivity.
I dislike women because they make everything about themselves. If I see an effeminate man, or fuck it, a slightly skinny male that I like, every female friend starts screeching about how they're clearly trans. I'm not sure if this is a common experience with others, but women regularly try to make everything about them. Want to be attractive? Woman. Want to tend to a man? Woman. Want to be a househusband? WOW BESTIE YOUR SUCH A WOMAN. Women regularly assume feminity and desire for men begets transexuality when there's no sign of that otherwise. Hanging around women is insufferable when every time you're attracted to a man, they twist some retarded logic how that man is ackshually a woman inside cuz da men don't act like dat.Of course I want your pussies far away from me. All women talk about is themselves.
>>43537229Its not that Im completely rejecting queer subjectivity, its that in reguard to any kind of real world application of that subjectivity I as I stand do not matter whatsoever. My thoughts and opinions, my feelings and the things I care about do not matter. I can think whatever I want about my boss but at the end of the day his name still is the one on my paycheck, I can think whatever I want about the people who say Im a man, but at the end of the day gender is a performance and is based on perception and Im not the one with power in this equation.If literal thousands of people simultaneously in agreement state unequivocally so that I am a man, then who am I to disagree with that assessment? I could listen to the 5 or so people who vehemently insist on my womanhood against those thousands but the numbers just dont add up.It doesnt matter what I think, it doesnt matter what they think, all that matters in this world is power and who has it and who is effected by it.I can have as many violent fantasies as I want about just going haywire and murdering as many cishet people as I possibly can, about having a trans ethnostate where hets are stamped out with the same level of vitriol and are put in camps, and get to have the experiance of being in the outgroup. To say that I hate cishets (and old people desu) and want them exterminated from the earth would be an extreme understatement. I dont want fuck all to do with their worldviews, but the world runs on humans as interchangeable parts and the only way I get to live my miserable little life is by playing along with their bullshit.
>>43537692you are genuinely a terrible person with a ton of shit you need to examine about yourself. i pray you never get close enough to anyone to hurt them, but i think youre probably quite safe in that regard.
>>43537865I know and I hate myself for it.
This is just the next phase since women finally defeated transgenderism. The gays are next.
I don't hate women, but I'm definitely neutral on certain female-coded behaviors and spaces. Which to many women can seem like hate because they are used to constant adoration. Being gay makes you an almost objective observer of straight relationships, courtship, and social dynamics. Society teaches women that they should naturally absorb male attention and be the passive recipient of praise. Most modern women engage in near constant pick-me behavior and attention seeking. Men are hyper competitive, but in my experience they can set aside competition and still get along with other men. Women tend to carry the grudges from their competition near constantly. It's extremely rare to find women who can just be human and down to Earth. I don't think it's a coincidence that the women I get along best with are on the spectrum or lesbians. I hate bro culture and the state of modern masculinity, but I think women and modern feminism have really fucked up men. Everything is framed with only the slightest sympathy for men, and they are almost always seen as the problem and not victims. Women are generally the ones who force men to hide themselves, to temper their behavior, and to prune their personalities. When we see things like the "male loneliness crisis," they deny it exists or expect men to solve it entirely on their own. They point out nonsensical "red flags" and offer so much criticism of bad male behavior, yet I've met a ton of women who will let anything slide for 6 feet or 8 inches. It leaves so many genuinely good men worrying that they are the problem or that they don't know how to respect women.
>>43536310not an argument
>>43539161the simple fact is that women are largely utterly amoral creatures by culture. they dont care about a single thing beyond their instincts and benefits, and every single thing they can do to benefit themselves at the expense of others they will do. they believe in absolutely nothing that they say except that it can be useful to them, and have no notion of the collective good outside of their own stake in the collective interest. women are culturally psychotic.men not amazingly either, the worst of women are broadly right in that most of them are dogs not worth an ounce of care. those who arent however are rarely with equal on the opposite side and good men are wasted on women, and if anything the male loneliness epidemic is something of a seed of hope for change.
>>43536312basically this
>>43537955troons are raging misandrists
>>43527199criticizing foids is a must for any culture to survive
>>43527199Imagine talking to womenNow imagine they're not attractive at all
