>2010s legbutt culture>see pretty girl>do everything you can to be like her because you know she probably worked hard, saved for surgeries, did sex work, murdered her family for inheritance and faked her own death>2020 4tran culture>see pretty girl>rage at her because even though you were handed everything on a silver platter you're scared to girlmode after ffs and its her fault somehowWhat happened?
>>43546026slave mentality
i mean /r9k/ is one board away and all that blackpill genetics stuff definitely has an impact on here too.
ohh if it was me... god knew what he did by making me a hon
>>43546138I dunno if the people posting on /r9k/ are the same people posting their faces on twitter dot com but its a funny comparison, it used to be a lot more upbeat back in the day too (back when they posted advice animals...)
>tfw size 14 shoe and my 12 hour shift is my gym and im not even 1/10 as resentful as these um excuse me they pay me to work out and get thick thighs while paying for my insurance do you know how based that is?
>>43546026I believe honmoding is inherently different from girlmoding. People just realized it after covid ended and all the covid hons went outside for the first time as their "true selves"
>>43546547Honmoding IS girlmoding unfortunately. People here used to understand that, probably because so many had to do real life experience to get on HRT. You gotta learn somehow and you're gonna look stupid trying makeup and fem clothes for the first time even if youre a gigastacy luckshit passoid
>>43546026What changed is the "pretty girl" morphed from just another tranner to a normie facing onlyfans thot making 10k a month from indian men who transitioned at 10 in california and lords that over everyone else
>>43546646Do you not remember trips like Dollface and the stewin&brewin girl? Or Sophie and Cheska? The pretty girls always had paypiggies from porn
>>43546026Because all of them are fucking cowards that looove their misery Soo fucking much most of the have aren't even hons they just don't pass and they're mad that hrt didn't magically do most of the work that they refuse to do
>>43546026True, but to be fair people weren't demoralized yet by the conservative trans panics of the 2020s
>>43546026"looksmaxxing" which is downstream of psl/blackpill stuff is big now too. it's probably just zoomers generally expecting downwards mobility, economic and climate cynicism broadly trickling down into everything elset. resentful disaffected zoomer
>>4354664610k a month is not that much for basically whoring yourself on the internet desu. It's kind of sad that that's what many trans women feel they must resort to
i am actually in so much fucking pain
>>43546646>>43546976Onlytrans are lucky to make half that, top 1% is less than 50k a year
>>43546026>I work 12 hour shifts with 2 hour commuteHoly shitStop doing that thenWhy do americans think this is normal or COMMENDABLE. Like the fucking implication that this isn't an extremely short term unfortunate predicament is absurd. Genuinely what the fuck do you smoke to be this slavebrained. I have to work 14 hours for le society meme, master said so. I will be rewarded with green paper that the electric shock therapy conditioned me to want. I am virtuous for doing this. I am virtuous for doing this.>What happenedastroturfing made obsessively hating on youngshits/passoids and anyone you liken to them trendy. i remember the dipshit subreddit clones of this place were cesspits for that shitsidenote I think twitter just attracts all the 'failed normalfag' types. This is just how mediocre average normies express pettiness and embitterment only with meta internet culture injected
>>43546704no one remembers the dollface mafia the covid tripfags like mel and sophie are the board elders now>>43546026as annoying as the 4tranner bonepilled doomer brigade are, i can't lie its heartwarming that they'll swarm the tweets of the oblivious gigapassoids and spam suicide notes in the qrts and make them feel bad
>>43547641The subs are so bad, you'd think that 4chan (looksmaxers and camgirls) + edgy redditors from eggirl or traa (youngshits) would be husstuss stacey central, but instead somehow it became boymoder crab bucket. And I hate to say it but somehow most of them DO look worse than twitter or 4chan trannies, been in a bunch of discords and its consistent>>43547676Covid really ruined everything huh
>>43546026so like ive been on this board for 5+ years witnessing the dooming and honestly at a certain point you have to stop using the internet this is just mental poison, divorcing yourself from irl. living in a bubble built out of you and other peoples neuroses. society sucks, tranny shit sucks, be yourself at all costs. fuck this shit
>>43546026>What happened?AGP stopped being this neat thing you did in your online community with no criticism and wound up being hurled at literally everyone even if its not actually productive. the fact is most transitions between ~2015 to ~2025 were driven by AGPs getting access to HRT without a psych eval, and getting to utilize all the benefits of normative psychology in their transsexual journey. eventually the sex worker boom started to falter and people realised the infinite money tree is actually kinda crowded, and people started questioning matters of social privilege and social compulsion more in transition. compulsory sexual exploitation in exchange for medical treatment doesnt exactly sound sane or fair now its being applied to a much larger group of much better connected people now, does it?people glorify successful older transitioners too much, they often went through hell for what they got and people are right to think that this is untenable.>>43546704>>43547676>>43547703people acting like tranny board celebrities from the mid to late 2010s are these elder tranny success stories that one should strive to imitate tires me. youve no sense for the collective or the broader situation of this board in tranny culture outside of muh /tttt/ vs reddit.
>>43547856I don't have to imitate the elder trannies because I am one of the elder trannies. Everything is so much easier these days though idk how anyone can complain about "wah i dont get onlyfans money", you got ffs paid for by your $25 an hour starbucks job and just walked into a clinic and asked for HRT, I was lucky and I still had to jump through a million hoops and wait a year for HRT
>>43547884>I don't have to imitate the elder trannies because I am one of the elder trannies. you transitioned in the 2000s or very early 2010s? have you been paying attention to the community splits and splinters on 4chan since its pre-/lgbt/ days, including the collapse of non-transitioning groups back into the transitioning group, and reconciled the difference in motives between each group?>Everything is so much easier these days though idk how anyone can complain about "wah i dont get onlyfans money", you got ffs paid for by your $25 an hour starbucks job and just walked into a clinic and asked for HRT, I was lucky and I still had to jump through a million hoops and wait a year for HRTso in other words, the average trannys problem is not matching the circumstances of your imagination?
>>43547906What is bub yapping about
>>43548206things long forgotten
>>43548209AGP wasn't even talked about back in the /seedy/ days, HBS was the rage back then
>>43548206Yo have known idea how much wish to not know what he saying
>>43548295yeah, thats the one i see all the old trannies of that era being fond of. i really wish we did not have the massive community split between trannies and twinks in the mid 2010s, its done us all a ton of damage.>>43548319its genuinely tragic desu
>>43548340>i really wish we did not have the massive community split between trannies and twinks in the mid 2010what twinks? do you mean the hrt femboys?
>>43546026Zoomers demand instant gratification and a life without risk of failure or embarrassment. This is downstream from that.
>>43548365damn man, maybe you shouldn't have let those tech executives mess around with their brains while they were still all dumb and squishy
>>43548371How old do you think I am you retard lmao. Anyway, you have to fix yourself. You grew up playing video games, not drinking lead. Take some responsibility for your flaws.
kys>>43547676>no one remembers the dollface mafia >the covid tripfags like mel and sophie are the board elders nowgood>>43547884retard
>>43548383hi soph hows your nose?
>hurr just like put effort in o algo who cares that you're already softmaxxing as much as possible to the point where you even took experimental peptides and pharmaceuticals in order to looksmaxx already noooooo that and spending thousands of dollars on beauty regimens doesn't count uh um BECAUSE I SAID SO durr xDDDDDmeanwhile i'm still a gigahon despite any effort i put in>>43548392not sophshe's a hardmaxxing mogoid
>>43548359>what twinks? do you mean the hrt femboys?i mean what ultimately became the HRT femboys, and the group that in turn rejected them. im tired of us splintering over this stupid need for distance in difference. were the same people.
>>43548398Only thing soph is hard for is her passed out friends>>43548402Well I mean that was kinda on them for pretending they were pure and wholesomechungus transitoners and trannies were gross fetishists. And ironically both communities ended up flooded with no effort men in amazon skirts...
>>43548443>Only thing soph is hard for is her passed out friendsqrd??
>>43548455slept with her friend while he was drunk and came here to celebrate afterwards
>>43548471that's nothingyou made it seem like she raped a woman
>>43548443>Well I mean that was kinda on them for pretending they were pure and wholesomechungus transitoners and trannies were gross fetishists. And ironically both communities ended up flooded with no effort men in amazon skirts...yeah in retrospect its both tragic and hilarious at the same time, but also the whole logic of transition then just was not acceptable to most twinks. there was a distinctly homophobic aspect to the idea back then which weve since partially done away with, that being that in order to be a tranny you had to renounce not only a future as male, but also a past as gay male, and assert that you were always a woman. its hardly surprising that a bunch of man loving twinks rejected that and chose to stay gay twinks instead.
>>43550021>chose to stay gay twinks insteadnta but normalizing hrtwinks would help everyone and especially trannies.but nooo... you gotta stay pure. oh well.
>>43551042>but nooo... you gotta stay pure. oh well.yeah, i completely agree with you, but its worth remembering that way back then this came as a response to the notion that transitioning was just a binary thing. once you took that HRT that was it, youre a woman now, or one in the making. youre not gay anymore unless you like women, and thats that. itwas sort of made a forced decision to leave the gay community behind by a number of those earl trans women for whom transition was purely medical and binary in their minds.
tfw no /cd/ /mtfg/ kageshi 2010s translennial oral history
>>43551403the trannies lost the most from this.as an hrtfag I can't congregate with trannies because they insist I'm a woman. but I can still congregate with most (bi)fags because it turns out most people don't care.i do hope this can change in the future though. demystification of hrt would help everyone and drive acceptance up. it would also help a lot of not-tranny-but-gnc people.
>>43551520i really do think were on the trajectory there, because the """femboy""" culture that survived for so long is very much starting to acquire the image of a glorified sissy culture. i dont see the genuine androphiles standing for being called that, or putting up with a culture that accepts that.i personally have lost palatability for bifags, too many diversions along unpalatable paths, too much of a compulsion to make myself into a straight boys fetish, too many people dating a fresh 18 year old every single year.
>>43551809>too much of a compulsion to make myself into a straight boys fetishi feel you on that, lol.> i dont see the genuine androphiles standing for being called that, or putting up with a culture that accepts thatidk anon. I genuinely don't give af. i've only been with men but idgaf if someone calls me sissy or w/e. I look very fem and am routinely mistaken for a woman no matter how I dress but that's okay too.my bf is technically bi but we've been together for almost 5 years now and unironically life has gotten so comfortable that unless one of us goes legit crazy or violent, we're probably gonna age out together (except I'll look more like his wife, lol).
holy fuck i despise anon
>>43551520Its a curious thing, you look at the general non-binary population and 80% of them don't consider themselves trans, 10% don't think they're queer at all, but the subsection that DO consider themselves trans are the most rabid at labeling everyone else trans too. Personally all the trans women I know would be fine with HRT femboys because the alternative is... coping that you're not really a balding man in his 30s? And thats always sad to see. But like >>43551809 points out femboys have gone from turbotwinks to zoomer sissies these days, straight guys stole it and made it about wanting to be forcefemmed by a fat goth girl.
>>43546138blackpill genetics stuff is reality. people just hate ugly people and hate being called out on it
>>43555349>straight guys stole it and made it about wanting to be forcefemmed by a fat goth girlwhat's so wrong about that?I mean, I'm not straight and definitely not into goth girls (fat or skinny) but I do enjoy being "forcefemmed" by my bf.Zoomers are incredibly closed minded so I'd take zoomer sissies over the average zoomer because at least the sissies aren't repressed weirdos with beliefs about sex/sexuality so extreme and repressive that they make 1920s Orthodox priests sound like liberals by comparison.
tran elders your insights are interesting and enlightening
>>43555388people act like you only deserve love if you roll the dice well enough on genetics
>>43555444>what's so wrong about that?You no longer exist, culturally. That's sorta why people insist you're trans, because the only people who take HRT *are* trans. Femboys aren't turbotwinks, they're sissies>Zoomers are incredibly closed minded so I'd take zoomer sissies over the average zoomer because at least the sissies aren't repressed weirdos with beliefs about sex/sexuality so extreme and repressive that they make 1920s Orthodox priests sound like liberals by comparison.That's another part of the problem, they *are* still extremely repressed. That's why they stole an "acceptable" identity instead of just calling themselves what they are. Most of them rant online about how fags and trannies are all pedos.
>>43555444>beliefs about sex/sexuality so extreme and repressive that they make 1920s Orthodox priests sound like liberals by comparison.that's based though
>>43555659>You no longer exist, culturallyneither do rockers and goth girls. But they continue to exist IRL. You put excessive emphasis on bullshit, respectfully.You also might have noticed that "culture" itself literally doesn't exist anymore. Nothing is mainstream. It's all niches.>>43555855It's not based at all. It's dysfunctional and insane. They will all cry about their lost youth in just under a decade.
>>43555894>t. cum-brained sex-pest
>>43555894>neither do rockers and goth girls.Huh? Rockers and goth girls still 100000% exist, rockers might be dads now and onlyfans egirls are pretending to be goth but they are still going for the goth astatic. Meanwhile this is what the average "femboy" looks like these days
>>43553119>my bf is technically bi but we've been together for almost 5 years now and unironically life has gotten so comfortable that unless one of us goes legit crazy or violent, we're probably gonna age out togetherthats sweet. im married myself, met mine on 4chan over a decade ago. i just found the whole "sissy" angle unpalatable myself, back then id have rather been called a CD than a sissy.>>43555349>straight guys stole it and made it about wanting to be forcefemmed by a fat goth girl.to be fair, biped bottoms did a ton of damage to it before then too.i sorta view estrogen as just another tool in the gays doing roids kit, another route they can go instead of indulging in AAP. problem is that i do think doing estrogen intrinsically shifts your gender away from cis male no matter what. like sure it doesnt alienate you from maleness per se, but it does make you more of something else. i genuinely cannot fathom caring about women anything, but any sober look at myself will reveal im undeniably more foided than i was before.
>>43546646Male culture was not ready for what how porn changed (and is changing) society. It changed beauty standards, prostitution, sex morality and marriage. Men still haven’t caught up, it hit the world like crack hit ghettos in the 80’s
>>43557573>Male culture was not ready for what how porn changed (and is changing) society. It changed beauty standards, prostitution, sex morality and marriage. Men still haven’t caught up, it hit the world like crack hit ghettos in the 80’sill go one further. you know what 90% of men are really, really struggling with? mass participation in porn, the diffusement of porn production across the populace, and the socialisation of porn. the idea of having like, a dedicated nudes channel in a groupchat im in would have been wild even 10 years ago, let alone 20. imagine going back to the 2000s and casually dropping that youve seen literally all your friends naked and while not everyone is DTF everyone is pretty sexually open with each other that way. straight men in particular have no way of participating in that. gay men can, lesbians can, bisexual men can, bisexual women can, trannies of all kinds can, straight women can, but straight men? 0 opportunity unless youre top 5% attractiveness.im unironically pro-looksmaxxing for this reason: men have a dire need to get hotter collectively so they can actually participate in 21st century sexual dynamics.
>>43557625>im unironically pro-looksmaxxing for this reason: men have a dire need to get hotter collectively so they can actually participate in 21st century sexual dynamics.Everyone should be, the idea that straight men should just... not do anything to improve their appearance while everyone around them does is absurd
>>43557693>the idea that straight men should just... not do anything to improve their appearance while everyone around them does is absurdright? literally anything. not everyone has to gym and roid out but like, even basic grooming, personal care, weight management. theres just no room for excuses or laziness anymore.
>>43557517>back then id have rather been called a CD than a sissySure. The point I was trying to make is that age gives one perspective. None of this shit matters after a certain age. And life is much longer than early 20s twinks think it is.>im married myselfCongrats! Gay marriage isn't a thing in our country (and likely never will be). But we live together, have shared accounts and we're buying property this year. Life is comfortable.>[estrogen] does make you more of something else. i genuinely cannot fathom caring about women anything, but any sober look at myself will reveal im undeniably more foided than i was beforeYeah, I guess. But I like it too. It's really what I wanted. Didn't want to be a woman, just very feminine but a man nonetheless.
>>43559174youre really not wrong desu, ive very much acquired a "fuck it, idc" attitude as of late.>we live together, have shared accounts and we're buying property this year. Life is comfortable.that sounds wonderful. genuinely glad for you two.>Didn't want to be a woman, just very feminine but a man nonetheless.i very much sympathise with this. my feelings around social stigma is the only reason im trying to grow boobs rather than cut them off. its somehow better for me to have visible boobs than to be a femme male, because at least with mediocre tranny tits i can forcibly displace heterosexual prejudice about what i am to a great extent. sans boobs i would literally have to fully socially transition to not be forced into the box of disgusting straggot male here. inside though i just want to look pretty.
>>43560093>trying to grow boobs rather than cut them offI certainly didn't (and don't) want to cut 'em off. even with that I have the "fuck it, idc" attitude. They grew just enough to quasi-"girlmode" if I want. I also get confused for a woman sometimes even in a hoodie, kek.>inside though i just want to look prettybingo.although it's still funny in the rare moments when me and my bf get confused for a straggot couple hehe.
>>43560133>I certainly didn't (and don't) want to cut 'em off. even with that I have the "fuck it, idc" attitude. dont get me wrong i like the help with curves, and the hubby likes them, but theyre just such a social burden. the only thing theyre good for socially is retard proofing my body against being read as straight.>although it's still funny in the rare moments when me and my bf get confused for a straggot couple hehe.when i was early transition i got hit with a ton of being gendered female all of a sudden while working out in public, and it genuinely bent my brain. ive been gimping my passing potential since with bodyfat and im all icked out from that so fuck my life i guess.
