It's is to late to start this at 24? I have seen a lot of failed transions of people that started younger than me, and when I look up people how started at my age they're are on the verge of killing themselves, so yeah should I just not try this at all?
depends how heavy your dysphoria/euphoria is. mine are both pretty high so i do it regardless of if i'll ever pass, like i dont even care personally i just feel so much physical relief, that i can just tend to be a shut-in if the social judgement is a lot...
I started at 29 and im doing okay. It's purely genetic. If you're a 6'5" 300lb offensive lineman it will be a little tougher for you.
>>43548391Sorry, no. If you were meant to succeed you would have been on hrt for over 5 years at this point.>>43548422>doing okaySo basically your life sucks and you want to die every day. Same.
>>43548436:(
>>43548391I started at 30, and at the 1.5 year mark I pass better than half of the younshits I've seen. Its literally all genetics and skills with fashion, makeup, etc. Also, worst case scenario is you don't pass on HRT, but grew enormous boobs that you have to bind (huge boobs are extremely unlikely anyways).
>>43548391I started at 24, 2 years now and strangers call me she on the street etc. And regardless i feel way better about myself and my body. Delay no longer.
>>43548680You are a gigahon with honfidence no way you started at 30 and after a measly 18 month you are some kind of gigapassoid. You need to be required by law to post proof before making these kinds of claims
People know what a transwoman is so if you take estrogen and play a little bit of dress-up, you'll still get "she/her" because people understand this is the kindest and most consistent protocol for troons
>>43551088Its when im wearing a suit, tie, and no makeup that i get it most of all lol
>>43551088How it's bad the people will be kind to you???
>>43548391If you want to be a cute tranner girl, ypu are too late. If you want to relieve dysphoria and live as a woman you still have time
>>43548680LARP
>>43551247Can still make be a cute one if I'm short :(?
>>43551127Nothing wrong with anythingJust letting OP know that even if he starts now and starts using she/her, and is very ostensibly male, the hypothetical "her" in the future will get some validation
>>43548391post-puberty transition "success" (passing) is almost entirely about geneticssome people who start at 20 are already doomed, some people who start at 30 are fine>and when I look up people how started at my age they're are on the verge of killing themselves, so yeah should I just not try this at all?in the counterfactual where they didn't start at all, they're more likely to kill themselves, not less. if you already have the curse there's no ignoring it.
>>43551081>gigapassoidI'm not a gigapassoid, just a regular passoid. Literally never get gendered male in person or on the phone. People dont realize how important skill is in passing, like literal drag queens can pass better than a bunch of youngshits entirely because they have the correct fashion skills, spent a lot of time and effort into their appearance, and voice trained so that they can perform better on stage (granted, they still can't go stealth, but they can still pass).>>43551254Reppers wish I was larping so they can justify repping further. Nobody wants to believe a lateshit can pass because it will cause an existential crisis for them
>>43551454Well you are making this repping business really easy on me by not posting any proof whatsoever while claiming to have lottery winning luck
>>43551454>Nobody wants to believe a lateshit can pass because it will cause an existential crisis for them
>>43551472>Well you are making this repping business really easy on meDont care, its your life, not mine. See you when you turn 50 John
>>43548391>I have seen a lot of failed transionsYeah, literally all of them, there is no such thing as a "successful transition".Not trying to be a doomer, I just think it's unhealthy to behave otherwise.
>>43551727Youe worldveiw is the unhealthy one idk how that could be more clear.
>>43551740Has anyone ever finished transitioning? I don't think there's any examples.
>>43548680No pic = larp
>>43551762The ones that kill themselves I suppose
>>43551772That's a sad worldview...But I still think they didn't finish transitioning, if we're being honest.
Lol Op here I didn't expect to alot of people to respond I decided to start doing it and completely disconnected from all social media Soo yeah I hope I don't come back here until 2 years to brag or kill myself, is going to be boring not being here tho
>>43548391anyperson can transition late if they have enough money nona
>>43551762Gender performance is something you do every day of your life whether cis or trans so im not sure how the "end" of a transition would somehow be a nessesary precursor for it being succesful. If youre improving your experience of life, you are succeeding.
>>43551819Yay! Proud of you girly!t. Girl whos back here to brag after two years
>>43551819Fuck it we ball queen, you are an inspiration
>>43551822"Transition" means you are going from one thing to another, in this case, one gender to another.But if I stop taking my HRT, the effects vanish. I can't complete the transition and become a women, no matter what.I think it's unhealthy to deny this fact, but you can do whatever you like.
>>43551763>asking for pics in a post-AI world and expecting that to prove anythingUse the brain anon
>>43551900It’s two minutes a week, literally who cares
>>43551900Transition doesnet mean from one set state to another set state. All of life is perpetual transition because any state of being is a state of becoming. Your arbitrary and fixed veiw of gender is clouding your understanding.Moreover, i belive its not unheard of for womens bodies to actually start producing e and stop producing t over a long enough time so i also think that your basic premise is flawed there.
>>43551926That doesn't mean I'm wrong.
>>43551980You know if you don’t eat and drink water you also stop being a woman, and that also goes for cis women
>>43551976>Transition doesnet mean from one set state to another set stateI think it literally does. I looked up the relevant definition online so we can agree on it. This is from the American Heritage Dictionary.>Change from one form, state, style, or place to another.
>>43551990That still doesn't mean I was wrong.Did I really upset you this much? I didn't mean to.
>>43551900I think people should understand it's a "man" gender transition to a "transwoman" transition.Might be a bit GRIM but the difference is that some transwomen are less visibly male than others.
>>43552022So if you look female, you are female?
>>43551998Ok babygirl tell me where in the sentence it says a shift from one "set" state to another "set" state. That was the distinction i was making (as indicated by my follow up sentence) and you have not addressed it. Indeed, you cannot.
>>43552010No I just think it’s silly to make such a big deal out of such a small thing. I am a cis man on hrt so no worries
>>43552059>Ok babygirlOh you're really upset now.A state is a set reference point, that's literally what the word means abd refers to.>>43552060I'm a trans woman on HRT and I think it's delusional to pretend that I can ever be anything other than a trans woman or a cis man (if I detrans, for example).There's no possibility where you can complete a transition from one state to the other.
>>43551976good post>any state of being is a state of becomingbecoming is continuous there is no instance in becoming where one is (being)
this girl ur arguing with is retarded btw
>>43552104>uses slursfuck off bigotGo back to twitter
>>43552093Of course you can’t become cis, being a trans woman is something you have to be ok with, which shouldn’t really be a big deal imoI wouldn’t say it’s impossible though, one day perfect transition will be possible, we’re just too early to live in that world unfortunately
>>43552093A state is not set because no actual thing ever exists in a set state. What we call a state is in fact an amorphous collection of similar states, wich we (internally as individuals) define into thinglyness through perception through technically inaccurate although often predictive internal model making. To live in denial of this fact is to reduce the predictive capacity of ones own intenrnal models.
>>43552093Trans woman is a compleated shift to the catagory of woman though?
>>43552130So tell me what a state is. Please correct me with a dictionary definition, so we can get an objective and true definition for the word and not just bicker like children.Make sure you include a link! Thanks!>>43552125I just think the trans in trans woman means you or I can never complete the transition by definition. I can't arrive at the destination (the gender you/I want) so I stay in transition forever because it's the closest I'll get.
>>43552138No, trans means transitioning, as in, in progress.If you're in transition forever, you never arrive at your destination.
>>43552187You’re trans because you did transition not because you are transitioning. At a certain point your body isn’t changing anymore aside from usual aging, you’re just taking a medication you need because your body lacks the ability to produce it, it’s like insulin
>>43552227>You’re trans because you did transition not because you are transitioningWhen is the exact cut off in your opinion?Because I belive people are trans as soon as their transition begins. Even if they are only socially transitioning, and I'm surprised to hear someone disagree with that on this board.
>>43552250Why do you feel “people who are transitioning” and “people who have transitioned” shouldn’t be in the same group under the same label
>>43552264Please answer my question and then I'll answer yours, thanks.
>>43552187Like i said>What we call a state is in fact an amorphous collection of similar states, wich we (internally as individuals) define into thinglyness through perception through technically inaccurate although often predictive internal model making. To live in denial of this fact is to reduce the predictive capacity of ones own intenrnal models.This is explored by Edmund Husserl's "Ideas Pertaining to a Pure Phenomenology and to a Phenomenological Philosophy: Second Book", commonly shortened to "Ideas II"https://www.thriftbooks com/w/ideas-pertaining-to-a-pure-phenomenology-and-to-a-phenomenological-philosophy-second-book-studies-in-the-phenomenology-of-constitution_edmund-husserl/1107916/?srsltid=AfmBOoprHrl8bDhBFgWIbUfQ3Rf77XWX_Q1I7yH_5UFJKM36fa43esU7#edition=57209947&idiq=46637840I think you would enjoy it, based on our convo here. Id reccomend the library though, its a bit pricy.
>>43552272That link doesn't work when I copy and paste it, can you fix it so I can validate your definition? Otherwise we can't move on in good faith.Thank you very much for your co-operation
>>43552268An exact cut off is hard to define but someone who’s one day on hrt or hasn’t even started yet can be trans. I didn’t say there had to be a cutoff, just that someone who already finished the work is also trans even if they’re no longer really transitioning in any way
NTA but tuis conversation makes me think transition might not be the word the community should be using. If I am perfectly honest with myself im never getting away from being amab. So i'm always going to be trans. And what does being trans mean to me? It means practicing womanhood. In the beginning we all suck, but some of us get so good at it we are indistinguishable from cis women that have been rpacticing womanhood their whole lives. I know looking at it this way might not be as nice and clean as just calling myself a woman, but it gives me agency. I can take responsibility for my practice and develop it until dysphoria is resolved.
>>43552197Trans woman describes the type of woman. A girl going on a trip to paris who enters the city limits and continues traveling twords her lodgings within the city has not yet ended her journy but has still arrived at her destination.
>>43552290>Thank you very much for your co-operationTrump off
>>43552290https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/ideas-pertaining-to-a-pure-phenomenology-and-to-a-phenomenological-philosophy-second-book-studies-in-the-phenomenology-of-constitution_edmund-husserl/1107916/?srsltid=AfmBOoprHrl8bDhBFgWIbUfQ3Rf77XWX_Q1I7yH_5UFJKM36fa43esU7#edition=57209947&idiq=46637840
>>43552336TAke a look, y'all
>>43552336There is no definition listed on this page.Thanks for confirming you are being disingenuous for absolutely no reason. If you want to try again, hmu
>>43552325If you arrive at your destination you are no longer in transition.Idk why the definition of the word upsets you so much. Care to explain? I will listen.
>>43552378If you are only willing to read a definition and have no desire to build a deeper understanding of a topic then a sentence or two long definition then you have no value in speaking too
>>43552420Its fun to argue online (:
>>43552453So why won't you post a verifiable source to your definition?If you own the book, take a photo of the exact page. You have read the book, right?
>>43548391I started at 23. Life is good, but I think that comes down to the community I'm in and my husband. If your question is "is 24 too late to pass" then I have no idea. Depends on way too many factors. Some people pass flawlessly without HRT, others struggle when they started at 18. Low key skill issue but thats slightly toxic take from me.
>>43552655No i didnt spend several hundered dollars on this book lmfao, i got it from the library and returned it when i was done. Its not a book of definitions its philosophical text that im suggesting you might find value in because it discusses the topic we are in disagreement on. That being said im gonna conclude from your need for me to add the "." to the link for you that you are a semiliterate 14-17 y/o and stop replying now, i hope you are well.
>>43552727So you have no verifiable source?Thanks for confirming this fact. We can't really move on until you supply a new defintion, with a source, that you deem correct.So want to try again? Or are you ceding the point?
>>43552779holy autism, nta but you’re clearly hung up on strict written definitions of words rather than grasping the fact that language and words change over time as to best adapt at expressing the ideals and meanings of a society. A definition of a word by itself is not its sole definition as its meaning can expand beyond that in the context of society. Please take a fucking linguistics course or finish college instead of LARPing gatchas via “but it’s not in the book!” like some christfag obsessed with the belief in their magic sky man.
>>43552941>I'm leaving!>Replies againOk.So you don't have a definition, and are refusing to find one that we can both read and verify?That means you are ceding the point, so I'll accept your concession for that point now.Sound good?
>>43552941don't use autism as an insult
>>43552984You’re right, it’s more accurate to call out chud behavior when it rears its low-iq head. Illiteracy, and bad faith actors are too abundant with these chuds.
>>43552968Newfag/summerfag dosent know what NTA means lol...
>>43553020Stop crying.If you can't prove your claims true, you can't ever win. Sorry if this upsets you hon.
>>43553021It doesn't say that anywhere in the post lol
>>43553058>actually illiterateK E KE E K E K
>>43553040>deflects>>43553058>pic relyou illiterate mongoloid
>>43553098>Asking you to do the thing you promised 200 posts ago is "deflecting"Uh-oh, looks like you need to look up what that word means too!
lets be real. if you have to ask to start hrt then the answer is always no.
>>43553425I see your point but reapectfully i feel like the opposite is true. Like if youre seriously considering it then thats a very strong indicator you should take it, no?
>>43552032What? No. Transwomen are forever transwomen and forever AMaB / male.But the ones that seem more feminine will enjoy a better quality of life as a cute tranny.That said, the reppers on this board should really weigh the consequences of not even doing HRT. It could lead to enough bravery to become/present as a transgirl but for some even the hormones make them feel more at peace.
>>43553466no. people know whether they will pass or not before taking hrt and they dont need to ask others if its "too late".
>>43553695>people can see the future and never need reasurence to overcome their self doubt
i am smart enough to not post pictures to 4chan but if you could see my before and after you'd be amazed. i started transition a bit later than you but not enough to make a big difference rly. the day i decided to, i legit looked so bad. people here would have told me i'm better of killing myself. 10 years later and i'm stealth and pretty. i think some of it is luck and starting point but also people in this board hate to admit they have any agency over their transitions. it will be what you make of it, and chances are passing is something you could manage one day if you wanted to and had the resources and drive to get there.
>>43548391Repping is literally death. If you want to kill yourself when on HRT, maybe that is your goal in life then? Execute your free will till it either reaches ultimate satisfaction and inner-peace, or leads to ultimate self-destruction. These are both good things because ultimately you are executing your free will. Life isn't about happiness. Life isn't about avoiding pain. Life isn't about avoid death. Its about existing. Live your fucking life you bitch.
>>43553867>Live your life>kill yourself
>>43553881Killing yourself is LIVING your life. What comes through you when you pull the trigger, pump the helium, jump the building, overdose on the heroin - hm? Answer that.>inb4 you're ending your life -Incorrect. You were destined to kill yourself. This is what your free will chose. Life has no end or start. It is just being. You either make the choice to enact your desires or don't. Whether those desires kill you isn't an "end to your life.", rather death is merely a phase and consequence with which comes from living your life. Filtered you? Re-read it and say it to mirror. And I'll say it again: killing yourself is LIVING your life.
>>43553922>Killing yourself is LIVINGProbably the most trans thing I've read all day.Why yall always trying to kill yourselves?
>>43553939Youre doing it too we are just more self aware and actuallized because we exercise and thereby increase our will to power
>>43553955>Killing yourself is good actuallyAlright, you first.
>>43553969NTA, but you fool. OP brings up hypothetical fear that being trans will kill them. That people off themselves if they transition after 24. Poster in thread says even if you were killing yourself, so what? You, being very high IQ, misinterpret that as trans bitches having a death wish. How are you allowed to have eyes, Anon?
>>43554007If killing yourself is good, you first.
>>43551900>But if I stop taking my HRT, the effects vanish. I can't complete the transition and become a women, no matter what.>I think it's unhealthy to deny this fact, but you can do whatever you like.Literally one of the most brain dead things I've read on this site. You do realize that millions, possibly billions, of people take pills every day, right? Who gives a fuck if I have to spend 30 seconds a day taking a pill
>>43551819Do you have a girl name OP? I want to be one of the first people to call you by your girl name. Good luck on your transition!
>>43554183That doesnt mean what I said is incorrect.
>>43554052>post says killing yourself is a hypothetical>takes hypothetical literally>doesn't understand figurative languageWe need an IQ test to allow entry into certain threads.
>>43553707>people cant understand if they are attractive or not.
>>43554386First, these bitches have bdd, they litterally cant lol.Second, if you live only to be attractive to others you are truly pathetic.
>>43554370>Doesn't understand what the word "if" meanswow...
>>43554432first bdd has nothing to do with identifying attractiveness.second they literally say in the op is 24 "too late" because of "failed transitions"you cannot be more wrong.
>>43554521>doesn't understand that "good" is a value judgement>doesn't understand the point that no poster was claiming killing yourself was good or bad because it was a figurative claim>keeps insisting that a poster said killing yourself is good>is schizowow indeed IDIOT ... :)
>>43548391idk maybe probably probably not
>>43555002I think you're confused, you're making up things that never happened and getting upset like they are real.
