cmon bump. im 5 years hrt

>>43550008
Almost 2 years hrt
Is it true that changes really start moreso 3-5 years in? Is weight cycling the dream people make it out to be?

>>43550008
if i lose weight will i love these beautiful breasts ive grown .°՞(っ-ᯅ-ς)՞°·.
ive been considering it
t.almost a year

>>43552987
COW YOU'RE LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?
Jesus fuck oh mein ghott

>>43552987
LOSE* spelling error bc im retarded

>>43552987
if you lose weight your boobs might get smaller.

>>43552975
>Is weight cycling the dream people make it out to be?
not really. that just puts unneeded stress on your body

>>43553001
actually no, i just checked, im 1 year and 6 hours hrt!!!
that is if you include my month of being a pillhon (｡ᵕ ◞ _◟)
otherwise its 11 months
gosh time rlly flies, i feel like ive looked the exact same since my 6 months milestone

>>43553003
>>43553019
hopefully it doesnt ruin me going down weight(;´ - `;)

>>43553064
Congrats on the anniversary!!

>>43553076
tyy<<33

bumpppppppppppp

>>43552975
3-5 years is when I had the most change, but I've always attributed that to getting an orchi in that time(I went up like 3 cup sizes)... 10 years is the time for new fat cells to come in anyway, so don't worry too much about weight cycling, just make sure you have healthy fat intake.
I've been on hrt for over a decade now, the changes never really stop. We're always growing and changing, aging is a process.

>>43554946
^^^

Dont start progesterone until 3 years into hrt!

>>43550008
When did you first start noticing emotional changes? I'm like ~1.5 weeks in and I just feel like shit all the time. No mood swings just bad all the time

t. 15 years hrt
>>43556472
I forgor
>>43552987
Youll probably lose your tits yeah.

i like this thread idea

>>43556590
I know this might be super rude to ask but can I get a pic of you to show off to a friend, she doesn't believe me when I talk about you :0

>t. 10 years and 3 surgeries
>>43552975
weight cycling only really works with pio
I think most boob growth happnends from 3-6 years. It's just a slow continuous improvement. Hard to tell it's doing anything until you look at pics from 2 years in the past.
>>43556472
never. prog on the other hand makes me histrionic
>>43552987
they will get smaller but not faster than the rest of you does.

3 months E, feel like things aren’t really happening. Not even the skin change they say happens fast. I have a little breast development but otherwise physically I feel like much hasn’t changed. I know it takes a while but like my body hair isn’t even thinning really.

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>>43556661
Hii here have we spoken before??
Sure hope it doesnt disappoint skmszn

>>43556728
no we haven't, just, have heard about you as a legend in passgens haha, ty!!! you're vurr pretty and I hope we look like you one day

>>43556728
HOW

>>43556737
aww tysm ily kstsntsjt
>>43556745
Raised "gender neutral" (aka: everyone knew since the moment i could walk), social transition at 9, was brootal, moved to a lefty city, started hrt at 11.

>>43556801
Holy fuck I would give anything to have your life

>>43556708
>3 months E, feel like things aren’t really happening
well no duh. it takes while to see visible changes. make sure your levels are good

>>43556939
Yeah they’re probably not great. Rn I do 0.2 ml injections once a week. I’m intentionally trying to make my levels look lower next appointment so they up my shit. I know it takes a while, just damn I thought like skin change was quick? How long does it take for my body hair to start thinning so I can be less miserable with my stupid ugly chest hair?

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>>43556987

How do I know when it's time to switch to the women's room? I'm getting to the point where I'm like a borderline case I think and it makes going to the men's room scary but also going in the women's and winding up on tiktok mortifies me

>>43552975
>Is weight cycling the dream people make it out to be?
not really but pio is

>>43556708
god i wish estradiol thinned body hair

>>43556801
killing everyone in my vicinity forever

>>43557011
do you pass or not

>>43556728
you're this hot and you waste your time and energy on this website. what's gone wrong in your life?

>>43557029
Genuinely idk, I boymode and malefail occasionally but most of the time dont get gendered at all. My bf says I pass but obviously he's biased

>>43557011
as long as you look like you're trying you'll be fine. i live in a red state and all my coworkers are chuds and nobody cares which restroom i use.

>>43557037
>whats gone wrong in your life
I dont want to get into it. A lot.

>>43557011
The ideal time for your own comfort is probably a little bit before you have a guy ask you why you're in the men's room but you won't know until that happens.

Really go for it whenever as long as you're presenting appropriately for a woman in your age bracket.

>>43552975
HRT might as well be sugar pills for the first 2 years the most changes happen by far in years 3 and 4.

I ended up looking at old photos of myself and having a damn girl you used to live like that moment around that point in time.

I don't think weight cycling matters much but I did loose and gain a lot of weight at that time I think my baseline weight went up as well because I would really struggle to get as skinny as I was before could be gaining muscle mass though

if everyone i asked (an ex-girlfriend, a new acquaintance, an old friend who i asked to be completely honest and completely assured that i won't be hurt by the truth (also she's too autistic to lie afaik), some other randos) says that i pass, but every, i mean almost every fucking time i look in a mirror i think that i 100% don't pass, like not a chance
.
do i trust myself here or others?

i'm 5 years on hrt, started at 27, im 175cm, small hands and feet, but the face, boy howdy, the face.

i see a lot of people here who are 10-15 years on hrt, the ask is for you girls

>>43557393
Your brain cant be trusted.

People told me all my life i was beautiful. I was convinced they were lying to appease me. I got plastic surgery for my face and i was botched. I now realise they weren't lying, i really was pretty.

Theres a saying, youth is wasted on the young, its because you dont know what you've got until its gone. You'll look back at pictures of yourself in 15 years from now and you will be shocked how good you really looked.

>>43557393
Trust everyone else. I dont think I pass despite somehow being stealth. Dysmorphia can be incredibly brutal. Be kind to yourself and try your best to have faith in those around you.

>>43557424
>>43557467
Thank you, lovelies. hugs

>>43556728
woww asdlkj

bump

>>43550008
can i have your staff

>>43559273
ty for saving the thread

10 years HRT here :)

>>43556708
Just give it more time tbhon it takes ages and ages

>>43556987
0.2 is a pretty normal amount? You honestly don't want your levels to be giga high or else it can stunt your development. You cannot rush this. For what it's worth I only inject 0.15ml these days and even that makes me worry it's too much because my levels are still too high

>>43557024
Where do you buy pio? I want to try. I have reta but haven't compounded it yet

>>43557393
Trust others but also your lived experiences

>>43557467
I second this

>>43550008
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8 yrs hrt, post ffs
reading this thread.. maybe i should try pio

>>43552975
Changes idk, I've always felt it's too open ended of a phenomenon with too many variables to say for sure. Anecdotally, biggest changes I've noticed is in fat distribution, more subq fat, bit more boob growth, and melasma lol. But i cant say it'll be a given nor what influences or causes it.
>>43552987
Ime it's likely but again ymmv.
>>43556472
Ime it takes a few months to stabilize and adjust to any hormonal changes, you will survive
>>43556708
Regimes vary and onset or degree of changes can be affected by HRT regimes due to AA use (i.e. cyproterone), among a plethora of other factors.
Wrt bodyhair - All hair grows cyclically and bodyhair (iirc) takes roughly 4-6 months to do so, so it can take a while for noticeable thinning. It's very much ymmv since it's the lack of androgens that thins it and each of us have different physiologies that affect such. Ime it took years and personally I can't have 'satisfactory' results without complete androgen blockade, even with monotherapy.
My advice is try and keep it in the background for now so it doesn't occupy your mind, it'll drive you insane otherwise. Maybe check in with yourself at 6 months then 1yr or so, evaluate where you're at and how you're progressing. If you're unsatisfied still then bicalutamide and/or dutasteride exist to play around with, though as a warning having absolutely 0 androgen signalling in your body is not healthy.
Oh also you should epilate what bodyhair you can, it does help. And start moisturizing, good emolient with niacinimide will lighten and improve skin tone, I like picrel.
>>43557011
When you look like you belong, as open ended as that sounds. Maybe your bf can help encourage you, my ex helped me a lot with settling into my transition.
>>43557393
Second this nona >>43560064
>Trust others but also your lived experiences

>>43554946
>3-5 years is when I had the most change, but I've always attributed that to getting an orchi in that time
Anecdotally also had huge changes post surgery recovery (ffs), I always attributed it to growth factors and weight gain. Maybe that's the secret to changes at 5+ years lol.
>>43556705
>prog on the other hand makes me histrionic
Have you tried dutasteride? I used to be the same but since duta it does nothing to my mental state.

>>43560941
nah, I lowered the dose and its ok now

how do you start gaining confidence girlmoding

>>43550008
literally how do I as a paycheck to paycheck wagie realistically afford ffs

>>43562266
Unironically join a coop or tranny house to save money on rent
>>43562260
Finding clothes that fit, especially for us tall girls, is a life changer. Otherwise, move to a more liberal area when possible and embrace delusion.

>>43562260
Small steps. 0% chance you'll get it right first time, accept it. Like riding a bike, have to take it slow.

So girl mode by going for a 5 min walk. Then go to a shop. Then a bit longer outside. Eventually it will become very natural. And you will look back and cringe, we all do lol if you dont cringe, you haven't grown

>>43562266
Invest in bonds and take out a loan

I have dark, noticeable chest hair (mostly on my clavicle region or whatever you call it). There isn’t a lot, but even if I shave it’s incredibly obvious since I’m so pale. I considered tweezing (I tweeze my nipple hairs) but I feel like it would take ages. I’ve tried an epilator and it felt like it didn’t grab. Maybe it was too short, but somehow the epilator hurt more than waxing. I can’t afford laser for my chest (doing face right now and it’s cutting into my budget more than I’d like) so do I just suffer?

>>43552975
my boobs grew at least 33% last year. im now 7 years in.

>>43562266
Move to new york, we require your employee health insurance to cover it here.

>>43563220
>>43562390
I would move to find community like that but I live in the butt fuck middle of Idaho and doubt I'll ever be able to afford to move that far ;m;

>>43550008
is there any point living to the 5 year mark or should i splatter my brains sooner?

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>>43562260
you kinda just have to do it and it snowballs from there, learning to dress for your body, what makeup works, how to carry yourself, present, etc, basically comes with practice
>>43562761
>so do I just suffer?
unfortunately yes, sorry nona
condolances from another hairful woman
>>43563347
i asked the oracle for you

bump

bump

>>43559323
>>43560064
>>43560887
>Trust others but also your lived experiences
>just read other people's reactions

When I was young I used to have a visible difference from other people, but I don't anymore. It used to be hell: most people would stare at me, some laughed, some did worse things, it happened everywhere I'd go, not just school.
Although my difference is gone now, I still have heavy PTSD from my childhood/adolescence and I just don't look at people's faces if I can help it, to avoid triggering it. It was the main reason I transitioned late too. When I was young and visibly different, I had no hope I could make it or that transitioning would do anything for me. It was stupid for me to think this way, but it was a stupid time and nobody talked about how much better it would just feel inside my mind and body to be on HRT, it was all "if you don't think you'll pass don't try HRT, don't, it'll ruin your life" etc.
So yeah, there's a bit of a unique "me" problem with that. I don't think that you can advise me on that, but maybe you know some other way for me to judge if I pass or not. Even if I tried to judge their reactions, I feel like I wouldn't be able to because the PTSD would overtake my mind and tell me they are repulsed by me or something. Because it's like dysmorphophobia for other people's facial expressions.

>>43565169
ok the baby trans arent asking questions so your elder trans feel good hour can die alright.

>>43565884
I am not one of those americans <~>

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Is there is hope? My facial and body hair is killing me, this feels like a never ending torture
t.3months

>>43565916
I dont even know how to do that

>>43566048
I'm already getting laser and there is just still so much left, not even talking about my body, it's just going to cost so much, and I'll definitly need electrosys
Also is laser supposed to hurt on my face? Does electrosys hurt more? What's that like?

>>43565963
goddamit get a job in Washington.

>>43565868
>if someone hatecrimes you then it's your fault
>the violent bigots are famously discerning and rational, they would never over-react

>>43566165
Tbh as soon as we save enough to move we're looking into going that direction anyway

>>43566175
good lol. wa forces them to cover ffs.

>>43565306
>When I was young I used to have a visible difference from other people, but I don't anymore. It used to be hell: most people would stare at me, some laughed, some did worse things, it happened everywhere I'd go, not just school.

So real. Whenever i walk past someone on the street i instinctively raise my hands so they wont be able hit my face

>>43565868
>then just see how it goes and if someone hatecrimes you then you need to try harder

What was she wearing? Was she drunk? Was she asking for it? Why did she provoke him?

>>43550008
does it ever get better? will my tits ever stop being cones? will i ever look like a woman?

>>43550008
>6 months in. 22 year old lateshit neverpasser without boobs
how will i ever make cis female friends? everyone made all their friends in highschool and college. my only female friends now hate me because they see me as a man
also how do i get a job as a fresh out of college manmoder? should i be applying to faraway places under a female name or should i apply as a man and hope to troon out at work later

>>43550008
bumpppp i like this threadd

>>43569775
can i have YOUR stick and or staff

>>43569777
naur only my bf is graced with that opportunity I guess

>>43550008
yes

>>43569399
It sneaks up on you. Agonizing over every day of hrt's progress will just stress you out. Before long you'll look like a woman.

>>43569416
Firstly you are not a lateshit. I started HRT a few years after you and I felt awful about it at first. Starting age is just a factor, its not THE factor. I'm in my 30's now and I'm stealth. You could do the same! 6 month is nothing.

>how will i ever make cis female friends?
I think this gets easier with time. It snot even just about passing so much as being really self assured. The less you treat cis women as 'other', the easier it is to be considered the same. If you're out to them then there will be sometimes weird moments but generally we're all just women lol, the way you make friends with them is the same way you make friends with anyone else.

>also how do i get a job as a fresh out of college manmoder?
I did a lot of volunteering with local trans stuff and then used that experience (planning events for example) as a foot in the door for an entry level position, where I was just out and proud. As soon as I could stealth I moved and found a new job in the same field. I think this might be harder today than when I did it with the fact we are more visible idk

good thread bumping it

>>43570076
how much longer do i have to wait? its been so long, i see all my peers who transitioned at a similar time get these insane results while i look like a man with gyno

>>43569416
You might make friends at your job or at grad school, in grad school now and most of my friends here are cisf which is not what I expected and is a bit awkward at times. Do you really want cis f friends? Or is it just something you feel you should do. You should just bite the bullet and transition now and apply post trans.

>>43570910
It can take years, it was like three years for me when one day I was looking in the mirror and was like huh wow! That's crazy

>>43565306
Yeah i think this is why all of us settled on indirect or mostly vague advice in response - it's quite a loaded question on a very nuanced subject matter fraught with subjective bias and contextual subtlety, it's difficult to provide a meaningful answer.
>Even if I tried to judge their reactions, I feel like I wouldn't be able to because the PTSD would overtake my mind and tell me they are repulsed by me or something
Being aware of such means you're better positioned to reason back and forth between your perception/intuition and your potential bias, and essentially that's what we were saying or alluding to: Gauging whether you 'pass or not' is a very personal and deeply involved exercise of back and forth inductive reasoning from lived experience, something to be learned and integrated and tested in the field.
Anyways imo the most reliable way to gauge passability is from those short one-off interactions you have throughout life, like with a cashier or a clerk - they're quick and cordial enough to the point that the other party has no time to think, where they perceive and act accordingly on autopilot. Where i'm from I value the reactions of 'commoners' more than urbanites, the kinds that hold minimum scrutiny to their conduct and simply act, who usually have speech and behavioral patterns that signify their perception of you (i.e. common men here use love, sweetheart, darling, etc. and are more amicable to women)
You can gauge a lot from their initial receptiveness before you speak or properly interact too. Look for patterns or trends in behavior from multiple interactions over time. Dont forget they could be having a bad day or generally be a dickhead. Also don't forget people can and will react to what they consider 'strange behavior' ex. if you're neurodivergent or otherwise socially challenged. Man or woman, if they think you're weird you'll be treated with contempt xd

>>43550008
when was your first malefail + do you pass now? checking how over it is for me t. 1 year no malefails

>>43569399
>will my tits ever stop being cones?
Sometimes they don't. I'm at 8yrs and will probably have to swallow my pride and get a BA due to my ribcage size and loose skin. I've tried a lot of things. It's like hairloss, sometimes it's best to just get hair transplants instead of trying for regrowth.
To answer all of it, the best thing you can do for yourself is try and take control of what you can. Do everything in your power to try and address your issues but don't beat yourself up over it, the best we can do is try the best we can with what we have.
>>43569416
I think >>43570115 is right in saying the more you see yourself as a woman the easier it is to integrate, and the more others will perceive you as a woman as well. You have to take yourself seriously for others to take you seriously. The most difficult thing with (well meaning) cis people is their ignorance if they know you're trans. I know it's bad to purity test but generally I draw the line at them not considering me a type/subcategory of woman like they would a 'tall woman' for example. Terf island has it's name for a reason tho ig.
Also generally the less you conform to societal expectations of women behaviorally the less seriously people will take you unfortunately, even if you're stealth. Not a problem unique to trans women though.
>>43571655
I think at around 1.5-2 yrs in after getting hair extensions. Was also gym and skincaremaxxing, shaping my brows, and wearing more feminine clothes than hoodies, not actual menswear but womens jeans/jumpers etc. Also post laser. Would make me about 23 at the time.
I pass mostly without makeup now, post-FFS. Was a twinkhon before (probably still am lol)

>>43550008
bumpity-bumpy-bump

Almost 10y, but y'all young trannies can all go fuck yourselves. You're either retarded twinkhons with dogshit opinions or just basically cis girls who transitioned at 10.

>>43572311
young as in time on hrt or young as in started hrt?
>t. almost 10 years

>>43572578
Young as in both tbqh. If you started at 10yo why the fuck are you even here lmao

>>43572599
no I started at 16 but im 26 now. been on it for 10 years. I was already moided out at 16 tho.
I do hate babytrans tho, esp when they are all positive and full of hope

>>43572811
I think the full on doomer ones "manmoders" type shit we get today are even worse ngl
I started at 22 so 9y this year I think lol I mean I know I'm a luckshit for that age but I'm still brainwormed af but still I try and be aware of that and I just live my life chill yknow

>>43572853
its not worse of course you wont understand you say it yourself youre a luckshit, luckshits / youngshits just cant comprehend being a neverpasser

<~> is it normal for my libido to come back on injections.
I feel moidbrained for these feelings and I actually preferred it hurting to try, but pills are supposedly much worse.

>>43572906
There are other things in life than passing

>>43572311
im 6 years hrt but i started at 19 so its ok :)

>>43573690
thats what i hear every passoid says i hate you all so much oh my god i hate this response no there are not there is nothing to life when everyone around you can only see you as a male forever no matter where you go or how you present of course you wont ever know whats it like

>>43572906
I AM a youngshit neverpasser.

>>43554946
>the changes never really stop. We're always growing and changing, aging is a process.
:)

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>>43552975
yes, fat cells die and are replaced over an average time of 10 years which means the % of fat cells that were created post-hrt follows a logistic curve

>>43573849
when did you start + how much time on hrt + did you ever malefail for me to evaluate if this is true or not

>>43556987
is that 40mg/ml?
it took 3-4 months for me to smooth out but everything is hitting really fast for me

i was under the impression that it didnt actually thin body hair that much but the combo of waxing tweezing and time and im pretty hair free for like 2-3 weeks and then maybe 15 minutes tweeze for cleanup and theyre getting so thin i kinda get to pick and choose whats dark enough to care. obviously this will depend on your starting point i didnt have much to begin with but it was a bitch and took like 2 hours to clear the first couple times and a ton of ingrowns and bumps everywhere and wanting to die for like months on end. i dont even think i really need laser anymore its that different and im old af lateshit too

>>43573920
im >>43572811
I only malefailed when wearing straight up dresses etc, which I don't do anymore because im a manmoder now.

>>43574147
oh aw im sorry for you, im heading down the same path as you of not passing despite starting young

>4 months estrogen, 6'3, massive ribcage, size 12 shoe.

how did you make it through the first few years? I cant imagine myself ever passing no matter what I do.

>>43573773
You're not a young tranny lol
>>43573776
Being visibly trans isn't the same as being seen as a man

>>43574520
How much of a life happens after 20?
Is it less than happens before?

>>43574520
luckshit passoid talks about manmoder problems shut up omg yes its the same as being a man can you even imagine not being able to pull of being visibly trans? what would that mean? dressing like a woman? that would look to everyone as if im crossdressing not as a trans woman

>>43574537
Your life doesn't start until you're 20
I mean unless you have a nice family and shit but I'd rather not think about the daily abuse
>>43574597
Omg this is exactly what I was talking about omg stfu
It's always the same with ppl like you when actually it's just some average twinkhon

>>43574643
okay maybe i was a bit rude sorry i know what youre talking about all these twinkhons / bdd passoids that complain and complain but im just not that. i never ever malefailed and ive been told im extremely masculine before can you realize that for some its legitimately over i cant even get to the position of "being visibly trans"

yeah i just dont care "passing" is synonymous with "attractive to cis men" which first of all ew and second of all they have delusional shit standards

>>43574665
I mean if it's true it's extremely sad and I'm really sorry nona
Just by experience it's seldom the case and it's just extreme brainworms

>>43575567
thank you sorry for earlier youre okay

>>43556728
what the fuck winemom, how do you look this incredible