Penis envy doesn't exist.Nobody actually wants to have a penis and to penetrate hole with it. It's completely retarded.AND a vagina can also do all of those things.Try to prove me wrong, you'll just fail!
>>43551715I have more of a testicle envy than a penis envy, because it's really hot when sweaty balls plap against someone's skin. But I might be in the minority here. I also like that you can throatfuck someone with a penis and feel it all.>inb4 "it's a fetish"Yes, I have little to no bottom dysphoria as a FTM. It's all either social or sexual in my case.
>>43551752>testicle envy as a ftmHm... to be fair, it's logical. You get to have your own carry-on T injection device.>throatfuck someone with a penis and feel it all.idk, clits are more sensitive though.
>>43551715Idk, im ftm and i feel like if i had a penis i would be forced to be straight cause i would like to use my penis and a man ass is not iviting. Now im gay as i have just a vagina but i am happy.I think penis is a really good thing for all the tops
>>43551778>idk, clits are more sensitive though.I have to beat mine up to feel something, but it's an ok sensation. Not unpleasant.
>>43551787>>43551791I don't believe any of yous. Penises are not that great to use anyway.
>>43551715If you top it’s kind of easier to have a dick because you feel something. I don’t think penis envy is so torturous though, it’s more of a what-if thing and not dysphoria. Yes, I can use straps and my fingers and not feel anything but I can also tie someone up and aggressively ride them till they cry and cum early or something. There are just too many ways to have sex for me to get so hung up on having a vag.
I love having a penis tho it’s just I have a woman’s penis >t. babyhon
>>43551814I would just love to penetrate someone and feel it on a physical level, the emotional satisfaction is already there. But I'm well aware that some men have erectile dysfunction and body issues.
i'm a bottom and i like having a penis even though 99% of the time i prefer to be the one getting railed. i would also top if i'm really into a guy and he wants it. vagina is probably better than hole, but not by that much. being male is like having the best of both worlds. sure, bottoms can't reproduce with tops, but honestly not everyone wants kids anyway and being a fag is like a 100% natural contraceptive because there are no vagoobers involved.
>>43551844Like, knowing you're entering their body and all?>erectile dysfunctionthese always make me laugh though. Sorry...>>43551887>100% natural contraceptivetrue true
I very much enjoy having my penis and would miss it if I didn't have one
>>43551715You don't mean what you're saying. You're a smirking little provocateur. You're completely retarded. AND a vagina can write better bait.Try to prove me wrong, you'll just fail!
I've got penis envy; envious I'm not gettin' more of it, hey-o!
>>43551945I actually mean what I'm saying. I'm just mindful and try to not hurt anyone's feeling, even people with penis no matter how inferior their genitalia is.It's just not real, heck, even not POSSIBLE to have that.
I have penis envy but im a trans woman n wish i had a bigger penis.
Like, what's even "enviable" to having a penis?It literally inferior to the pussy. literally
>>43552072Why is it inferior? Doesn’t that depend on what the person wants to do with it? If I want to impregnate and penetrate, a functioning penis would be useful to have. Sure, if someone wants to get pregnant, they’d rather have a vag than a penis, realistically speaking. It all has upsides and downsides. There are things I like about having a pussy but sometimes I do get envious because I don’t want to get pregnant, I want to get someone pregnant.
Why is a pussy better? Assume someone who isn't riddled with psychological disgust at their own male anatomy
>>43552089Multiple orgasmsFemale ejaculation (check mate)MUCH greater pleasureNon rapey.
>>43551715>vagina can also penetrate hole
>>43552117>Female ejaculationI can piss, tooEverything else is subjective
>>43552117I didn’t even know we had stronger orgasms than men until I looked it up. I thought it was the same. Well in that case my penis envy is cured and I need to order 200 sex toys to experiment with and cum harder
>>43551925>Like, knowing you're entering their body and all?Yes. It would be so nice to be able to do that
You all sound like you've virgins that don't know about female anatomy >:(You guys must be trolling
If women don't want penises why does my gf always shout "GIVE IT TO ME!!" when we're doing the deed??
>>43552238Maybe she's talking about an orgasm?
>>43552117>Non rapeyThis completly ends the penis vs vagina argument. Literally just existing with a penis attached to me feels rapey. Trying to use it for sex feels like it should send me straight to jail. I can't fathom why anyone would want one of these things. They're strictly inferior in every way.
>>43552263That's part of it, but she also says, "GIVE ME THAT DICK!!" sometimes, which seems pretty unambiguous.
>>43552278>I can't fathom why anyone would want one of these things.Because we're rapists born into a body with a tight, fuckable pussy.
>>43552278This explains why I knew so many repressors that got excited at the idea of being free use dildos and extremely awkward at the idea of thrusting wow
>>43552278>>43552300This is you lol
>>43551715Ive never felt the urge to have a penis, I'm always surprised (some) other ftm want one
>>43552367Can't wait to be a hermaphrodite snailchad with a retractable rapestick
I want everybody who wants a penis to have one.Imagine a bunch of women who want a penis just for fun and they are doing tons of silly dumb shit with it.What if they thought of something stupid to do with a penis than men have never thought of?Should hold a parade for them.
>>43551825Testosteronized pensis are not nearly as sensitive as you are imagining they are. Like yes you can feel with it but there are only a couple small spots that are erogenous. You feel waaaay more detail with a finger than you do a dick
>>43552148Stick your finger in warm water. That is about what it feels like.I do not understand for the life of me why men like fucking, but they sure seem to
>>43552758I doubt that it's like that for most men. It's just varying levels of sensitivity and there are plenty of women who can't cum no matter how much they rub their clits, they don't feel shit either. The whole female full body orgasm thing isn't real btw, literal fiction
>>43552758>Stick your finger in warm water. That is about what it feels like.Yeah this is exactly what having your penis in another person feels like. No notes. No idea why men like it so much. Don't they know they could just pour a glass of warm tap water and got to town? Really give that cup of H2hOe the night of it's life.
>>43552758exactly, penis envy CAN'T be realit's just a psyop
>>43551887>vagina is probably better than hole, but not by that much. being male is like having the best of both worldsI rather have my pussy than a cock. breeding kink is not cool compatible with anal and I enjoy the submissive aspect of having the perfect hole for a penis
>>43551934Why you enjoy it? Are you a top?
>>43551715>Nobody actually wantsI do.>prove me wrongProven.
>>43552995There's nothing to actually desire from having a penis. It's ludicrous
>>43553011You postulated nobody wanted it. Whether or not you believe the wanting in question is ludicrous, the fact that it exists remains true.
If you don't have a dick you need to get it from someone who does. This is an evolutionary drive that keeps our species alive.
>>43553045I haven't hard much real explanation why you would want to have one. Just "I do" answers mostly. I'm absolutely not convinced it's a real thing.
>>43553086First of all, you're conflating penis envy (Freud) and dysphoria.>real explanationThe instinct to penetrate rather than to be penetrated, also having a vagina feels wrong.>whySometimes things just are.
>>43553118I don't know, I don't really care about Freud.>The instinct to penetrateHow would you describe this "instinct?"
>>43553198If you use a word, you should know what it means.>describeWhat is says on the tin. Intense desire to be the top whenever I'm aroused and hypnotized by hole. Outside of arousal, it's just really weird not having a dick.
>>43553251idk, I always thought Freud was like, put on the side like an outcast and not actually meaningful.I'm just confused, because I'm often told that it doesn't exist, that strapons are not "dysphoria" and all, that there's nothing actually enviable to fuck a hole.
>>43552821I was fairly sensitive before HRT and pretty much every time I had sex with women it felt like slipping into somethinf warm. Like little to no friction or squeeze, bascially nothing to signal to you that your dick is inside something, just heat. The heat isn't erotic either, more relaxing and it threatens your hardness. Then if you start thrusting there is maybe a tiny bit of drag you feel around the edge of the glands but not much (im uncircumcised btw). Like when thrusting your biggest tip off part of your body is in another person is you feel a tug in your groin if you move around while inside her.Sex as a man was fantastically underwhelming to me from a sensory perspective. I can't wait to get a vag.
>>43553296I, too, think the Freudian penis envy doesn't exist. Dysphoria, however, is real.
>>43553251also like, what's "enticing" in hole?Like, corners don't have this effect, so what's so great about them? Do people with penis have a different brain structure that has "hole preferences and analysis"? (I'm not trying to make fun of you, I'm just tired and can't explain me well)
>>43553330I'm sure nobody actually believes in freud's ppnvy
>>43553340I've known afabs who are into corners. A lot of them have their first erotic experiences doing shit like humping the armrests of couchs when they're little.
>>43553340The people obsessed with hole are either dickless or virgins and think fucking will feel a lot better than it actually does.The people obsessed with fucking like seeing the effect their dick has on other people, and or they like being the one to make other people feel that wayt. mtf
>>43553384Ok, you got me :')>>43553407yeah, no offense to you all but penis "dysphoria" seems to be like in bad faith or smtidk I just can't wrap my head around that
>>43553340>what's "enticing"Everything? It's sexy and almost irresistible. Fucking just feels right.>Do people with penis have a different brain structure that has "hole preferences and analysis"?No idea, seeing as I don't have one.
>>43551715anyone who wants a penis or has one and is comfortable with it should be on a watchlist like how some places do with gun ownership. it's not psychologically normal
>>43553500>anyone who wants a penis or has one and is comfortable with it should be on a watchlist like how some places do with gun ownership.raar, come and take them >:)
>>43551715>AND a vagina can also do all of those things.???
>>43553549what?
>>43553587How do you "penetrate hole" with a vagina exactly
>>43553602prolapse.
>>43553602are you saying women can't fuck?
>>43553613Nobody does this.
>>43551715>a vagina can also do all of those thingsi'm sorry?
>>43552719Sorry about your circumcision, anon.
>>43552758i tried this, and well, let's just say... i'm no longer a virgin. heh
>>43553740vagina can totally give( and do) lots of pleasure for both sides, can totally dominate and intimidate
>>43553761maybe "teabagging" is a real thing and men actually do put they balls in hot water?
>>43551715>Nobody actually wants to have a penis“everyone wants to be girl, i’m not a tranny” style repper, fun
>>43553791I'm not repping, just curious and baffled
>>43553758Im not circumcized
>>43552117literally all completely untrue. males are blessed with literal throbbing meat rods that shoot semen during the peak of sexual pleasure like a fountain and you're still not fucking satisfied. i'm a woman (ftm repper) and i have not had a single orgasm in my entire life and neither have approximately 10% of women on earth because that's how defective and useless vaginas are. most women can't even get anywhere close to orgasming without a plastic toy, whereas all men need to do is use their hand. please stfu
>>43551715I just want my clit to get bigger and look more dick like that's all
>>43554419You (and most people in this thread) are focusing too much on the sex aspect. In real, day-to-day life, having a penis is so shit. It hinders physical activity, makes sitting so much harder than it has to be, it's uncomfortable, and not to mention it's fucking humiliating to be seen with a bulge in your pants, so much so that I have to wear extremely tight undergarments and move in a very specific way just to make sure it's not visible throughout the day. You know what you have to do to hide a vagina/vulva? Put on clothes. That's fucking it.
>>43555499Right, you don't like ithow does that make it a fact of reality and general truth for all humans everywhere? Do you think you're the only person?
>>43555499and a vagina bleeds humiliatingly for a week out of every month and produces discharge for the rest of the month. both have drawbacks, one is significantly less likely to function sexually in an enjoyable way. what's your point? you are speaking from a place of dysphoria but both are bad if you have one and hate it.
>>43555499Super dramatic. It's not really a big deal day to day. Normal people don't care if you have a bulge it's just your dysphoria talking
>>43555544You did the same exact thing?>I have not had a single orgasm in my entire life And 10% is not a high enough percentage to claim that vaginas as a whole are "defective and useless"
the male organ doesn't even fucking do anything it's literally just a lump of flesh the male body is inert and lifeless it is an incomplete human and should be detested whereas the female body is more capable in every way it is an actual full human and not some violent half-alive golem that delights in suffering fuck you
>>43554419The orgasms suck. I have had botht. mtf
>>43555499>makes sitting so much harder than it has to behow the fuck does it makes sitting difficult?
>>43555551>produces discharge for the rest of the monthMy discharge is just lube. I find it hot and erotic
>>43552144Its variable. Some women cant feel anything. Some can. Same with men
I wouldn't mind having an average or not limitingly above average one, if it wasn't uglier than my current one, and if it could still be as healthy or healthier than the current one>t. 12-13cm pp
>>43560695but you already have an average dick?
>>43560695Porn has rottened your brainNo wonder your a tranny
>>43555551>bleeds humiliatinglyThe bleeding is supposed to be humiliating? I thought it was pretty OP.
>>43560772fair, it's 40th percentile length and not pencily. much better to be 6"+ (15-17cm) and proportionately girthier thoughI'm ok with my current one though, I like that it looks and works good even as I'm nearing 40>>43560786failing at life has done that, thankfully at least I don't have dysphoria
>>43560823it's the debuff that prevents them from being too op, that and the emotional instability and deeply-seated fear of ostracism and need for someone to make them feel safe (on average)
>>43560857>emotional instabilityI think this is some kind of normie meme because I've never felt any differ before or after period, unless increased appetite counts as emotional instability.
>>43560871oh I meant in general. It may be that there isn't that much underlying difference between the genders, but maybe the culturally allowed amount or type is different
This has got to be the most deranged thread on the board right now.If you showed this thread to any person it would make them 10x more transphobic
>>43551715Personally I WOULD not have anything against ftms if I was not for the fact that some of you infest our beloved yaoi community with your repulsive hideous disgusting gross cuntboysYaoi is for males with dicks periodyou want vaginas then read hetslop
>>43551715>vagina owners
>>43562623It's weird how it's still up, it's such a simple assertion.>>43562663cuntboys are god's gems though. But yeah, they're mostly badly drawn for some reason.
I think people on 4chan have forgotten the existence of trolls.
>>43562714for what is worth I also think futa is grossIt’s just that either of these things are off putting to me, I can understand why ftms like but i genuinely don’t get why some cis guys like cuntboywhat is the appeal though inb4 tourist
>>43562857I'm into the pure cuntboys: men born with a pussyThose boobie scars and t-dick are just ugly. I want a man with an innie.
>>43562857>what is the appeal thoughcute guy + vagina
>>43562883yeah but with ugly scars and micropp
>>43562883If you are afab that’s understandable if you are a male you are a degenerate and probably a rapist too No gay guy or gay-adjacent guy (I mean guys who like femboys and twinks exclusively) is attracted to guys with vaginas whether fictional or real.
>>43562891I love scars so it works out
>>43562915>No gay guy or gay-adjacent guyU forget pan/bi people exist?
>>43562663>Yaoi is for males with dicks periodNah, women make yaoi and omega mpreg is the new hip thing right now. In ao3 boypussy means that a man has a vagina, no ass pussy. Its only a matter of time before these fanfic writings start leaking into mainstream, boylove fics are already almost dominated by cuntboys
>>43552349im a transbian and this is the only way i can use my dick and feel comfortable. taking control makes me feel like a rapist. the only id theoretically top is if she was constantly begging for it but not in like a cringe "pls fuck me daddy" ways but in a "whats wrong faggot? too weak to fuck me? im gonna dick my nails into your skin until you either bleed and start crying cry or fuck me" way and i only start thrusting after i start crying
>>43552758are you circumsized? like im bottom dysphoric and even i know that is not how it feels like at all lmao
>>43562971I know and I have to concede that I owe much of the material I goon to to degenerate women etc.but that doesn’t change the fact that mpreg and boypussy in essence are hetslop with extra stepsI guess faggots have no choice but to put up with this or move to bara.
>>43563028Maybe you just don't like yaoi like that
>>43563087I love yaoi but but anal sex is not that hot
OP how would you feel if you were raped, and your rapist started humiliating you for not having a penis to rape him back with?
>>43563113Challenge them to a fuck battle and whoever can take the bigger dick is the winner
>>43551715>"I want to fuck animals. That means everyone else wants to fuck animals, too. They just keep it a secret."
>a vagina can penetratewhat the fuck are you talking about?
>>43562995Nope, still have my foreskin and my skin in general is super sensitive. Fucked 3 chicks in my early 20s and all of them bascially felt like fucking a bowl of body temperature water unless they intentionally squeezed me. Like zero sensation of having my dick inside someting.Everybody had normal BMIs, were otherwise healthy and normal, and were all early 20s.
>>43563882Thats weird. Are you a wanker? Did you deathgrip yourself into a blob?
>>43551715Itt: average /lgbt/ user vs theory of mind
>>43563914What 22 year old guy doesn't masturbate frequently?With that said I had and have fairly severe genital dysphoria and I had to put myself into a sort of disassociative space to get an erection and fuck. But I thought I was a straight guy at the time so I wanted it, and afterward I was dismayed at how unsatisfying the act was.There was one girl I was with for a while that I enjoyed fucking but that was only because I enjoyed watching my dick break her brain and I lived vicariously through her facial expressions.In all cases masturbation with a dick feels waaay better than vaginal sex.
>>43563936people who think different from me are simply incorrect. anyone who actually wants a rapestick is untrustworthy
>>43551715Girl, imagine NOT having penis envy!That's not wanting to have the weapon, the tool of pleasure and dominance that is retarded.I can't believe people want to live in a body that can only get penetrated...
>>43564628>I can't believe people want to live in a body that can only get penetrated...God I want it so bad
>>43555862how delusional do you have to be to believe this? you would change your tune real fast if you woke up as a biological female tomorrow and suddenly realized you are now subhuman
>>43564573>people who think different from me are simply incorrectinherently male thinking pattern
>>43564669Imagine being just a hole lol, nothing to do anything with except getting penetrated. The most potent thing you could would be humping a butt XD
>>43564701there is a lot more to life than sex and female brains seem better at doing all of that than male ones ime
>>43564718>there is a lot more to life than sex if you are a sexhaver in a relationship who regularly has orgasms or masturbates you should be forbidden from saying this
>>43564669NTA but waking up female would be the best thing to ever happen to me
>>43564767i have not had sex or romantic contact in 12 years
>>43564777i hope you wake up with your bedsheets soaked in stinky blood and your uterus on fire
>>43564821me too ^_^
>>43564821I hope you wake up with a raging erection and yourpenis aching under the intense swelling, highly sensitive and ready to take and penetrate any hole in ecstasy.
>>43564821I hope you get to face localized social destruction any time you dare to show any emotions besides subdued anger or momentary elation. And eventually you grow into a bitter adult scared to show anybody, including your SO, anything but complete stoicism.
>>43565055that just happen to men who are to weak to be vulnerable. there are many that are emotional and all.Grow a pair.
>>43564087Well you were not a normal man. I love pussy
>>43551715Penis feels nice to have feet onCan't say the same for vagina
>>43564628>the tool of pleasure and dominanceis this not what a vagina is, so long as you're already trained? You could make 3 cocks bust before you even think about cumming.
>Vaginas can penetrateWhat? since when? how? I wish I had a pussy that could fuck pussy
>>43555862Then why are most artists and great thinkers men?
>>43565196A lot of guys were just the face of the brand name, not the actual artist or designer. Margaret Keane for example.>>43565182Deeldoh?
>>43565215>DildoAh fuck I dont want that! I was hoping you meant a big penis clitoris.Id love a vagina and a penis simultaneously.
>>43565055i've already faced social destruction because i'm ugly, you're not special
>>43565070lmao the pooner thinks she is going to reinvent how being male works! you go, girl!!!
>>43551715I envy those who have full intact normal penises
lmao, I've probably jacked off 15k times. even after all those tries I still hate the thing and im going to get it turned into a fuck hole
>>43565196the deliberate exclusion of women, duh. all of those artists and thinkers came from the 1% of society lucky enough to not be farmers, and of that 1% they prevented and excluded women from engaging in the same pursuits, with some exceptions
>>43565055This is possible to fix and change unlike biological sex
I'd like to have a dick, but if I was born with one I'd probably be impotent from how much I smoke and drink. so either way I'm gonna be the bottom. I wish I could get a blowjob though.
>>43564821I hope you go through being a male teenager. Hope you don't have the wrong thought and tent your pants infront of everyone and ruin your lifeyeah gotta constantly police what you think about because your body shows it. And everyone's eyes are drawn to an erection...
>>43564087>masturbation with a dick feels waaay better than vaginal sexthis isn't true at all ime
>>43568444I was just sharing my experience... maybe it just sucked for me because im that true trans
>>43567533>Hope you don't have the wrong thought and tent your pants infront of everyone and ruin your lifeLol xDa single erection in front of your classmates is not "life ruining".Maybe you should grow a pair xD
>>43551715they do
Just asking, is rape so scary and traumatizing for vag-owners because they know their genitalia is vulnerable and can't fight back and do the same thing in return? Is this an actual source of penis envy?
>>43570109You can do the same thing, you might need some drugs thoughAnd sex is very aight so if you penis is under 8-9 inches don't even bother raping anyone because it'll be embarrassing for you
>>43570131this poor hole, defenseless, it does not project anything, it's only hope is to contract, to clench...Facing the string rod slowly approaching it's entrance, the poor vagina now understands the reality. It's powerless.
>>43570333Irl it's more like having a defense 80 shield vs a lv10 club
>>43570356Unless you have vaginismus you're not going to shut your hole strong enough to prevent penetration.
>>43570418Youre not preventing the penetration, the defense is just tanking the hits. Eventually the club will break after so many hits, but the shield isn't effected much.
>>43570505>but the shield isn't effected muchanon never had sex :X
>>43570542I've had sex with quite a few people, that's how I know this. Rarely will you encounter an effective, trained swordsman. Usually it's just untrained cave men or amateur fencers.
>>43570576Idk, gynecologists are quick to point out how it tears and bruises inside.Though if you want, you can show me how you would do it :3*bends over*
>>43570604I've never bruised from sex, but I did once while sitting on a dildo while driving. Are you getting bruised and torn?
>>43570640>Are you getting bruised and torn?Not yet, and looking at your crotch I don't think it's going to happen~*still bending over*
>>43570646bot moment
>>43570670dickless answer :)
>>43570679We both have pussies, Chai. That's why I know dick feels eh majority of the time.
>>43570691still, you can't take my ass and I find it hilarious.
>>43570703You want to fight because we both have vaginas? What?
>>43570718See? It validates my thoughts on the rape thing.It's because vags literally CAN'T do anything that it's scary.
>>43570752Maybe you're just using your pussy wrong and haven't trained yet
>>43570785What the fauci are (You) on about it's literally a hole in the human body, what things do holes do?
>>43570816Do you agree with my >>43570109 statement then?
ive come around to the idea that the penis is evil simply because its capabilities invite misbehaviour, when women rape it's mostly via social stuff but the penis invites rape simply by its nature. matthew 19:12 had the right idea, surgical correction of males is the only way forward
>>43570816>what things do holes do?You're thinking about it like a hole in the ground, when it's more like the inside of Jean Jacket
>>43551715it doesthat's the whole premise of "no penis humiliation"
>>43572407Which is made up by cis men who cannot cope with their ugly male bodies
>>43573080I'd like to see what cope allows you to say your hole can fuck without using a prosthetic (strapon), because you'd just look disabled for needing it.
>>43572407>no penis humiliation>look it up>nothing???
>>43573671https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/84550091
>>43573270Who wants to fuck? Its better to just lay on your back and receive in the fuck hole thats been perfected during millenia of evolution to be the perfect organ
>>43574067>changing goalpostIt's not about wanting. Can your smooth crotch "fuck"? Nope. Your body cannot do that.While men can do both.
>>43573679>open link>it's just big clits and vaginasso it's vagina humiliation...?
>>43574101Only gay men want to fuck, eww
>>43574185humiliation for having a vagina and not being able to fuck, impregnate, pee standing up, inspect you own genitalia...https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/84566052/I'd post pics but I'd get b&d
>>43574197ok little smoothcrotch they didn't need you for that anyway :P
>>43551715My experience tells me otherwise. As a penis haver, I very much enjoy penetrating. Your argument is completely subjective and is, in truth, your opinion alone
>>43574319Having sex as a man is degrading.Your only way is to use your rape-tool to violate someone's core and literally use their body to masturbate yourself with.It can't get more degrading.
>>43574319You only like it cause you don't have a pussy
>>43574242But what's the name of this? I can't find it anywhere.
>>43574517>/NPH/ no penis humiliationIt's in the titleIt's a new fetish just starting up!
>>43574536>start up fetish>no content
>>43575207I'm trying my best ok?
>>43551715i want it so badsly so badlyim no real man without a penis i just want a dick i jsut wantr to be a realman