Hail! I come here as an outsider, asking your opinions on politics. Things such as what parties you vote for, and more importantly, where you disagree and where do you agree with said parties. What are some (political) issues that matter to you? Are you generally left or right wing? Did you see an evolution in your political orientation? What would be the ideal society?
>>43596059Browsing 4chan and other right-wing spaces made me even more leftist than before
>>43596059national socialist
ultra far right economy + ultra far left social policies
>>43596174This is incompatible and anyone who says this is just a conservative that's afraid to be called a bigot
>>43596183>uhm uhh [retarded babble] bigot bigot bigot
>>43596183ok you convinced me. now im a communist
I guess i'm a moderate nationalist
>>43596196>Immediately goes for conservate insult lol so easy to clock
>>43596231im not american
>>43596174you are a retard, as a trans person you should want a left wing economy that provides HRT and healthcare under the state and a government that doesent import millions of migrants who will kill and rape you
>>43596256>HRT and healthcare under the statebad>import millions of migrantsgood>kill and rape youdeath sentence
>>43596244What does being an American have to do with being a conservative? That's not a political party
>>43596059Progressive but not fucking retarded
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>>43596289why do you want hormones to cost money and why do you want white people to be genocided via immigration
>>43596059I'm a taiwanese ultra nationalist, I'm like one step away from being an asian equivalent of a nazi. I align with the values of confucianism, buddhism, and chrisitanity. >>43596174sexy political views >>43596183I'm a conservative and your personal suffering means nothing to me. Your false virtue creates more human suffering in totality. I believe in utilitarianism, but conservatives are absolutely correct on most things. However, if you take American politics at face value, you're immensely stupid. You guys are the type of retards to get duped by Hasan or AOC. I think of you as having subhuman intellect, you disgust me. You are stupid, stop having opinions, you're uneducated on economics, sociology, and every aspect of life. Stop voting, you have no life experience. I think we need to go further right and trick retards performatively that we're populist.
>>43596305your reaction is typical of americans
>>43596059Everyone here just has retard undergrad politics, even the millennials who just never grew up>>43596331Not this poster tho
>>43596256>you should want a left wing economy that provides taxpayer-funded HRT.
>>43596328smart, but we also need remigration of like a good 1/2 of the third world population in europe
>>43596348Sorry you called called out for being a conservative
>>43596343hormones always cost money. try having children maybe?
>>43596359yes, but not even income taxes, im a socialist not an actual hitlerite nazi. socially far right economically far left. Juche, strasser, mussolini type stuff
>>43596364Western Europeans could never live in a Chinese style society. They're too selfish, they have no communal spirit, they'd fight against the government and liberalize it. You have to at least import Slavs to get it to work, but then again you've seen the Slavs since the 90s.
>>43596398>I'm 18-24 years old and spend too much time onlineNever saw that one coming
>>43596398>not an actual hitlerite>describes themselves as a national socialist>calls themselves troonwaffen1488being socially far right means eliminating you from society btw
>>43596376no i am not a cuckservative
>>43596400dont blackpill, we just need a cultural revolution to purge our society of all individualist and jewish ideals. it will be hell but we can build a great society from the ashes
>>43596398>socially far right economically far leftThat doesn't work
Im a trad Catholic and I want a left wing Catholic integralist monarchy.
>>43596425Would you try to convince the crackhead at the gas station not to smoke crack or would you see that as a huge waste of time? Now, why are you talking politics with "troonwaffen1488" on 4chan?
>>43596398You're retarded and it's a pity that you don't know. You're going to live a hard life as a laborer when your parents stop taking care of you.
>>43596425i literally listed examples, North Korea is this in current practice. they are an ultranationalist ethno nationalist isolationalist country with a socialist economy and no persecution for sexual minorities
Very conservative on culture (mostly for the matters of beauty, aesthetics and civil order)Pretty libertarian on govt regulations and personal liberties (definitely against censorship, internet control etc.)Moderately libertarian on economics (yes to free markets generally, more cracking down on giant corporations, more workers rights and better compensation)Very nationalist on borders (yes to free flow of people between Europe and East Asia, largely close borders to third worlders)
>>43596417the name is because i hate jews and like making internet trannies mad
>>43596468Can you point me to one trans person in North Korea?
>>43596448I'm sorry senpai. I will learn.
>>43596479pretty based but the issue with capitalist economic policies is that they give power to jews and let the poor of our volk die on the streets addicted to drugs and mentally ill
>>43596468>Explains socially left wing and economically left wing
>>43596468you are actually stupid lol, the state doesn't acknowledge them at all but there are also zero protections, it's not safe at all to be gay in north korea, you won't have a good timeThe best asian countries to be a gayTaiwanChinaJapanThat's about it. The only countries in the world that aren't subhuman, really.
>>43596480the name is because you're stupid, and it makes people think you are stupidCalling you stupid isn't anger, it's just a factual statement. You're too stupid to even comprehend this.
>>43596522You can't be trans and gay in China lol
>>43596487we dont know THAT much about the DPRK, trans people are under 1 percent of their population and they are a sort of cultural time capsule of the mid to late communist bloc. I doubt that they have a concept of transness in the same sense of us but its extremely unlikely that trans people are persecuted. Hell even the islamic republic of iran has transgender rights, its not impossible to have a socially right wing nation without persecution of transgenders. The reason transgenders are victimsed by so many far right movements is because they have firmly positioned themselves on the pro white genocide side of politics, it would be less so if trans people formed anti immigration movements
Labels are hard but probably socdem who cares a little more about good budgeting and leaner orgs. ig im big on rule of law, infrastructure, and education as important policies/approaches. Also pretty pro immigration and I care about gutting citizens united
>>43596544So you can't. Thanks just needed to confirm your retardation. Thansm
>>43596537you can, you just cant be a fucking diaper fetishist sexual degenerate or AGP like half the people on this board. they wont arrest you unless you promote sexual degeneracy, it simply isnt culturally accepted
>>43596059im a marxist-leninist. i vote for whatever party does the most to oppose american imperialism. i used to be a social democrat when i was younger, holding the same tired line of "oh communism would never work thats why we need social democracy" but i kept learning more about socialist experiments and leaning slightly more to the left over the years until the genocide in gaza, that was the thing that fully radicalized me.My ideal society is one thats classless, stateless and devoid of private property but i know thats not achievable in my lifetime so realistically what I really want is an end to the 70 year long genocidal project to exterminate the palestinians and steal their land, and maybe if we're lucky an end to american imperialism.
>>43596537Stop having opinions if you are retarded and have no knowledge. You're a stupid, ugly dysgenic white monkey from middle america. There's a gay scene in Shanghai and Beijin. Almost all of the urban youth are progressive on gay issues. In private, they do not care. Institutionally, they push back because it threatens social cohesion, but they largely don't do anything to gays. I would argue it's much safer to be a tranny in China than Los Angeles, because Los Angeles has niggers and beaners. It's disgusting to be a tranny and not even intelligent. What the fuck are you useful for in society, anon?
>>43596550its the equivalent of asking someone if trans people are accepted in amazon tribes or tibetan mountain villages, like i dont know its too remote to find out and the way transness is viewed is very different in non western cultures, they dont have such rigid medical diagnosis type identities. so if i went there (which is illegal as im not russian or chinese) and i could actually speak korean, there would be no direct word that i could use to ask them
>>43596588these views are okay if you understand they cannot work at scaleit's okay to live in communes or indigenous societies, but if you think a real legitimate state can be communist, you have subhuman levels of intelligence and should never think again
>>43596503nationalism is socially right wing, and extreme nationalism is socially far right. I would like a normal sane society where trans and gay people are integrated into the general public like in the GDR not turned into jewish circus freaks. I want a society where most people follow religion. I want people to have lots of children so we dont end up like japan. I want a society without modern forms of feminism. i want an ethnically and culturally homogenous society, i want a country with zero jews. i want degeneracy taken off of TV. that is socially far right.
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>>43596679Unfalsifiable statement, reasonable of you to say this now under the current system that has been all you've known for your whole life though.
>>43596695you do not have enough intelligence for your wants to create optimal outcomes. Every stupid person wants things. >ethnically and culturally homogenous societyCompletely impossible because white people do not reproduce so they need brown guys to do their job. If you were in charge of any decisionmaking, your country would perish overnight. White people will go extinct and there's nothing really you can do. Your people are docile and naive. You know you're not an intelligent person, stay in your lane, lol.
>troon against jewsDoes he know?
>>43596714you are genuinely stupid lol, you have zero social intelligence. read into economics and sociology, why do you just watch some fucking youtube video, read marxist literature, and conclude you're a technocrat that knows what you're talking about? you're an idiot. Communism cannot work at scale. Perhaps in a very postmodernist society that is impossible to achieve except in simulation environments. Get an education.
>>43596714communism will never be acheived, that is completely fine. Communism is a utopian dream of Karl Marx. Marxist socialism actually has worked, though you need to admit that the most sucessful marxist states (the ones that actually exist) are fascistic
>>43596726you are a brown person
>>43596755>Marxist socialism actually has workedI studied a lot economics in school and this entire thread is painful lolStupid people are really dangerous. I agree with Elon and Bill Gates, we should cull all poor people because they think like this. They are comfortable pushing ideas that have consequences they can't comprehend. Being stupid is a personal moral failure.
i dont have any opinions on the matter and even if i did they wouldnt matter
>>43596771I'm Taiwanese gentry with hundreds of years of thoroughbred lineage lolYou are a pink monkey to me, you're laughably stupid and you will never amount to anything in life. You're destined for mediocrity.
>>43596745magnus hirschfeld i know. the modern transgender movement is jewish to but transsexualism is a real disorder that has existed long before the 1920s in germany. in europe, america, south asia, and more. basically most non christian societies but alot of trans people also repped because there was no way of trooning and being a passoid
>>43596794wow you went to a jew school and learned their religion and you let them tell you about how the goyim must never leave international finance because its totally necessary (ignoring the fact that self reliance was the norm for most of human history) and the goyim must have their local industries destroyed and denationalised so talmud epstiencorp can sell their now jobless working class porn subscriptions and antidepressants
>>43596851Wow you're a pink wigger sitting in your room all day, sulking while your parents provide for you. Lmfao. I will help jews genocide your race, I promise you. You're an unserious person, how do you even live? You know your future will be difficult, right? The white race will be the absolute first to perish.
>>43596807I think you're overstating your case. Transsexualism is the natural result of a degenerate mind and you would be hard pressed to find a non-degenerate transsexual prior to the age where everyone started to be degenerate (post 1789). And even the famous degenerates such as the heliogalawhateverus is obviously just slandered to hell and back for being a faggot Syrian. The tranny cults in Mesopotamia seem to me more like the schizophrenic hallucinations of modern academia; one of it's proponents even went so far as to argue that the Sumerians knew a "third gender" because in their iconography the workers were depicted as being different from the kings and the "pig-tailed persons" (women). I don't think I need to explain how retarded that is.
>>43596886The person you're arguing with is profoundly stupid, you're wasting your time. The anti-intellectualism makes me want to erase her from existence.
>>43596059this is my law
>>43596886>prior to the age where everyone started to be degenerate (post 1789)Degeneracy started with the French Revolution or with the US using the constitution lol??
>>43596886>one of it's proponents even went so far as to argue that the Sumerians knew a "third gender" because in their iconography the workers were depicted as being different from the kings and the "pig-tailed persons" (women).To further expand on this, because I to this day can't believe this argument was made in a published work, she argued that kings were depicted wearing fishnet skirts and beards, being obviously male, while "workers associated with female occupations such as weaving" were depicted having pig-tailed hair, making them probably women. Meanwhile, all other workers, in agriculture and industry for example, were depicted as being bald, without beards. I think you know the typical depictions of Sumerians. BECAUSE they're depicted as markedly different from the kings, having no fishnet skirt nor beards, she went on to argue that this could mean that the Sumerians knew a third gender under which the vast majority of the population fell under. This shit was published in the 90s.
>>43596750Again unfalsifiable statement just ad hominems, I've read about what I'm talking about, if I didn't I wouldn't be talking about it.>>43596755Yeah I do think it's more likely for it to never be achieved because we will all die because of climate change before that, but saying that it's Marx's utopian dream when Marx dedicated his life to opposing utopian socialism and outlining the ways in which scientific socialism was the way to achieve communism, or even how communism predates Marx himself lmfao. It's just so plainly wrong.I do reject the idea that all successful marxist states have been fascistic though. There are significant differences in the material conditions of practiced fascism and socialist experiments, and the notion that they are the same is just red scare "le authoritarian commies!" horseshoe theory nonsense. But most notably the "authoritarian" aspects of socialism developed under the overwhelming pressure of western capitalism breathing down their necks, it was a necessary response to the sheer level of force and sabotage the west imposed onto them, like how the USA had the single most sophisticated and largest intelligence apparatus in the Soviet Union and the eastern bloc that the world had ever seen, that it very much did use to sabotage and eventually overthrow those countries. While fascism had no such pressure, if anything it had overwhelming support of the west up until the very last moment when they could not appease any more. And also there are significant differences in the key issues of nationalism, worker representation, class struggle, etc... But I'm worried I'll get "field too long"d if I keep going
>>43596968I just ask you to educate yourself more. The scope of your understanding is extremely limited. At least you're not the nazi tranny with 15 IQ. You have potential but you're an ignorant person on this issue.
>>43597017>reads theory>reads about how socialist experiments in practice>reads about their flaws and successes>"you don't agree with me so you must be uneducated">offers no preferred source of education???
Mandate all men marry a gay and cis woman mandatory via some UN proclamations and we can become a better world.
>>43596479Pic looks like a big upturned penis
>>43597044Dude you're fucking stupid lol. Read fucking economics, sociology, get an actual understanding of incentive structures in labor markets. I suggest actually taking formal classes in Economics. Do you understand human variation, entropy? Do you understand information asymmetry? Every communist society at scale must be a violently evil and authoritarian power grab at least in the beginning. It will be more inequal, the wealth will just be more centralized and concentrated in fewer people, they will fail at meaningful price discovery. It can only result in immense human suffering. It will only create greater inequity. No matter how many times you repeat this in real world outcomes, it will fail. You have zero social intelligence, anon. I don't think any of these words will reach you because you're not intelligent. You read academic theory that was never meant to be meaningfully implemented as a state solution. It can only exist in theory, it can only exist in postmodernist societies where no one is selfish or evil. You have no idea how easy it would be for me to dupe you and be Mao. You don't think like an evil person, that's why you're doomed in every aspect of life, you're a gullible fool. Tankies are genuinely stupid and their views are a personal moral failing. >they did it in social experimentsI already explained it can only work in simulation environments or postmodernist societies where it's not possible to be evil or do low trust low honor behaviors. Everything you think and say is wrong, JUST FUCKING STUDY ECONOMICS. How do you entertain the idea of radical economic systems while having the most rudimentary understanding of economics possible? You're an absurd person. Just fucking learn and understand you know less than you think you do.
what should i believe?
>>43597044>>43597148Also I have a degree in economics from an elite Californian institution. I have a master's in accountancy. You're just wrong. You're using the same echo chamber to validate your personal biases. You were more intelligent as a child when you believed in social democracy. You're profoundly ignorant. Just stop lol. It disturbs me how adamant you are while knowing you know nothing about economics.
>>43597156technocrats and exceptional statesmen like Deng Xiaoping and Xi
>>43597148>>43597197>>43597044Sorry there's one more exceptioncommunes - it can work at a small scale, maybe city level at best, not a legitimate state solutionindigenous societies postmodernist society in hypothetical onlysimulationsIt worked in simulations so you want to adopt it at scale.. you're so irresponsible it scares me.
>>43597148>Dude you're fucking stupid lol. Read fucking economics, sociology, get an actual understanding of incentive structures in labor markets. I suggest actually taking formal classes in Economics. Do you understand human variation, entropy? Information asymmetrythese topics are extensively covered in das kapital (or just capital, i think its confusing if you just say capital though) you'd know it if you read it too>Every communist society at scale must be a violently evil and authoritarian power grab at least in the beginning. It will be more inequal, the wealth will just be more centralized and concentrated in fewer peopleIf you mean the full on marxist definition of communism, that is purely speculation, again a completely unfalsifiable assumption. But if you mean existing socialist experiments, they start out with a revolution yes because the ruling class would never let themselves be subjugated without a fight, and that requires drastic measures specially when the entire world's ruling class is very interested in doing whatever it can to see you fail. But more unequal? No. Land redistribution, seizing of the means of production, dictatorship of the proletariat, these were all measures that were instituted essentially immediately after revolutions, and in the USSR for example essentially eradicated the ruling class until it was raped by privatization, the living standards were significantly improved, society was completely restructured, they finally achieved food security when the pre soviet regime experienced regular catastrophic famines and never solved that issue, managed to industrialize and modernize the country that was a rural feudal backwater. That's significant progress for any country in just 70 years of existing, let alone a country that was constantly embargoed and had to face invasion after invasion in devastating wars for most of it's history, never being allowed peaceful development.(1/4 probably lmfao this is a long one)
>>43597341>these topics are extensively covered in das kapital (or just capital, i think its confusing if you just say capital though) you'd know it if you read it tooOH MY GOD STOP. YOU USED THE SAME BOOK TO VALIDATE YOURSELF, IGNORING ALL OTHER ECONOMIC THEORY, DUCKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND. YOU'RE CRAZY!This is circular logic.. this conversation is over. You are actually a genuine subhuman. No one would let you be in charge of any decision making at all. Yeah, I'm done with you, anon. You actually existing and conveying that you're a serious person is like an existential shock to me. I need to figure out a way to persecute tankies. They should be enslaved.
>>43597341my final statement - i can't believe we're considered the same species
>>43597341you're using a circular validation system to affirm your cognitive biasI tell you that the scope of your understanding is limited and you say those topics are covered, but you're using the same source as an authority figureit's like trying to debate a christian that believes the bible is absolutist truthit's actually very stupid and childishyou delegate your thinkingyou are dumb, anon. you are profoundly dumb and no one should ever give you any power. listen to professionals and stop thinking. you're very young, aren't you? everything about you disturbs me
>>43597341also it'd be funny if the only book you had to read in economics school is marxist literature and they claim it's all encompassing. you're an unserious person and it's antithetical to everything about me. I'm so upset that you exist. I don't even know if I'm mad at you, you're just ignorant but you seem to mean well.
>>43597148they will fail at meaningful price discovery. It can only result in immense human suffering.The economic calculation problem is a non issue let's be real, it wasn't a real problem for existing socialist experiments back then and it sure as hell isn't now with the invention of supercomputers.>It will only create greater inequity. No matter how many times you repeat this in real world outcomes, it will fail.What exactly does failure mean to you? because again the USSR by all means was a massive success if you look at the way it actually changed society and improved the lives of the working people creating a much more equal system than the ones that preceded it.>I don't think any of these words will reach you because you're not intelligent. You read academic theory that was never meant to be meaningfully implemented as a state solution. It can only exist in theory, it can only exist in postmodernist societies where no one is selfish or evil.Weird ad hominem but it's true that marxist theory isn't supposed to be followed to the letter 100% and it was more of a general outline of the way he thought communism could be achieved, but he isn't a prophet. That's why theory isn't the end all be all, it's still necessary but actual praxis is extremely important.>You have no idea how easy it would be for me to dupe you and be Mao. You don't think like an evil person, that's why you're doomed in every aspect of life, you're a gullible fool. Tankies are genuinely stupid and their views are a personal moral failing.??? Again weird ad hominem but why do you assume I think Mao is inherently evil lmao>I already explained it can only work in simulation environments or postmodernist societies where it's not possible to be evilDid you think by socialist experiments I meant like social experiments with small sample sizes and not existing socialist countries? (2/3 oh wow it didn't take as many replies)
>>43597148>Everything you think and say is wrong, JUST FUCKING STUDY ECONOMICS. How do you entertain the idea of radical economic systems while having the most rudimentary understanding of economics possible? You're an absurd person. Just fucking learn and understand you know less than you think you do.Crazy of you to say that I know nothing and that I should learn about what I'm talking about when you took a course in uni and now are speaking as an authority figure lmfao. Implying that I don't also study economics? Just a very obvious "I am very smart!!!" emotional response please come back to this later (3/3)
>>43597505>The economic calculation problem is a non issue let's be real, it wasn't a real problem for existing socialist experiments back thenI can't have a discussion with you because you're completely unreceptive to logic. If you had any power in this world, it'd be very dangerous. You're genuinely dumb. >why do you assume I think Mao is inherently evil lmaoI don't, I think you admire him because you are stupid. I.. I just can't. The fact that you went back to Marxist literature as a source of authority on what I asked you to study. It's just disturbing and you not understanding that is enough to close this conversation. You're willfully ignorant and you do not want to be proven wrong because you're attached to this socioeconomic model as an identity thing. You terrify me. Not because I think you're evil. But the consequences of your ignorant thought can result in evil. This is too much, anon. Have a nice day.
>>43597368You're so mad lmao, just because I as a marxist think that marxist theory is best means that I can NEVER cite marxist theory even when it's extremely pertinent to the subject and it's one of the most exhaustive and detailed economic works? I'm not sure that's how that works
>>43597523I have two degrees in economics and finance related subjects, one is a master's degree, one is a bachelor's fully in economics from a top 35 school in the countryYou scare me. How do you not have enough self awareness to know you're dumb? You can parrot rhetoric that sounds intelligent but you're deeply stupid. I don't even think you're evil or a bad person. You're probably a decent person, but profoundly ignorant.
>>43597551It's called existing in an echo chamber. I'm not mad, more shocked. Your views are very shocking. Conveying them in a serious manner is shocking.
>>43597547>I just can't. The fact that you went back to Marxist literature as a source of authority on what I asked you to study.Again not how discussion works, just because I believe that Marx's assessment of these topics is the best doesn't mean that I MUST NEVER CITE MARX AND BECAUSE I DID THAT AUTOMATICALLY INVALIDATES ALL MY ARGUMENTS MUAHAHA!!! Like what is that even achieving? I never even said I never read other economists I just said that the things you mentioned are covered extensively in the book thats literally marxism 101 for begginers.
>>43597609Study more and get outside your echo chamber, get nuanced perspectives. Again, I'm not mad at you, your lack of epistemic hygiene is like.. some kind of emotional violence towards me. I just feel very frazzled.
>>43597583It's really hard to have a discussion with you when all you do is pearl clutch then tell me I'm stupid and you're smart and to "study!!" and never citing what I should study or what conclusion are you expecting me to arrive in. I'm not trying to disprove you I really want to see for myself what is said economic works that you are so ride or die for that you get so emotionally charged over it. But you offer me nothing!! You offer me no arguments you offer me no works you offer me nothing but telling me I'm a stupid stupid dumdum and you have le degree so you are automatically right
>>43596059>>43596417>being socially far right means eliminating you from society btwWell, if you're actual far-right, it's not a big deal for you, because fuck modern world. Isn't it obvious?
>>43597645I would never respect someone without a degree Even if they're a millionaire small business owner, I kind of see them as a subhuman I am le smarter than you, I'm a good girl and had good gradesI recommend just getting a formal education and asking your economics professor what they think of communism kekYeah I'm getting emotional because you kind of scare me. I'm a coastal elite. It's not that.. you're an asshole or a bad person. It's kind of like seeing someone shit in public. It's just an alarming conversation.
>>43596059Transition made me esoteric nazi.even though it may seem controversial. Not really the transition itself, but trying to fit into woke LGBT+-= space, people I met there, specifically extreme left/woke.On the other hand, I made really good friends spending time with fight winged folks, even though they're extremely transphobic and homophobic I felt comfortable with them, I felt understood. Of course, I wasn't disclosing to them my sex at birth, but I don't really associate myself with "trans identity", I'm just a girl :bI wish I could have meaningful connection with person who share my worldview and spiritual beliefs, but it's extremely complicated for obvious reasons. Gasp.
>>43597645There's reading academic literature and digesting it like an NPC and then there's critical analysis Just go to uni anon pls, it literally teaches you how to think with greater discernment. Go to school and take the education seriously without cheating, you'll come out a better person. You're ignorant and that can be resolved.
>>43597637>your lack of epistemic hygieneholy shit you are so pretentious
>>43597720>>43597756Mf I am in an economics related major as well. Again offering me no alternatives and openly saying you just took your professor's word for it without doing any thinking of your own(unless its 2 different anons) like there has never been university professors that were wrong about anything, if they said it I must parrot it too! Literally doing the same thing you accused me of doing except I've actually read the source material and the critiques to it
>>43596059I’m pro Neo-Nippon imperialism
>>43597817if same person - and you [or she] use(s) circular logic to validate your worldview when I say it is limited in scope. the entire field of economics and sociology isn't going to be understood in one book. you can't just read a small book. stop asking for shortcuts. it can't be spoonfed like that, I studied it over the course of 4 years. go to school and read $300 textbooks. self learning for most things is for hobbyists. if this is your worldview and you take it seriously as an economic model, and you advocate for this, it's worth at least understanding things holistically. Marxists are an unserious people. I hate to project but correlation and pattern recognition exists. You know how I see you. But I apologize for being so damn mean, it's just that you are like the polar opposite of me and it rubbed me the wrong way how confidently you speak about something I perceive you to have a naive understanding of. You should also understand that historians and economists can contend on many things. Many historians would rate FDR highly, but I hate that guy profusely. Some people also believe Hitler "fixed" his economy, and I have sharp words for them. Talking to you about Mao would take an entire day.
>>43597836economics "related" how? accounting, finance? The original person I was talking to doesn't have a degree, is what I inferred. it's also not one author, my suggestion is for her to go to school. If you graduate from an economics school being a marxist, I find that funny. That stupidity is for humanities majors.
>>43597908i dont need to be a marxist to see that your are just posturing and are saying very little of actual substance
>>43597970how so? be intelligent enough to articulate why. Marxist theory is mental illness and I have no reason to entertain it seriously or be civilized here. It's incredibly destructive rhetoric for society, it's disruptive to social cohesion, and it's also often a self-destructive identity for people in their personal life. Tankies are a dumb and selfish people. You're currently studying economics and you're just a kid, doesn't sound like you're in the advanced classes. You're naive lol. how are your grades?
>>43596059im a single issue 2a voter. this means I have to vote republican even tho they hate me. Im kinda a social libertarian personally tho.
>>43597970So, what is this "economics related" majorinb4 a finance kid tells me they understand economics
>>43596059I’m left leaning because I like that I can get medication for cheap I can chill at the public park or library & my transportation bills are less that $150 monthly
Politics is cringe
>>43598085politics is awesome because i get to erm ackshually people and argue for no reason
>>43597215>>43597215i have never even heard of Denf Xiaoping, how do i into him?>technocratswhere to start?
>>43598021you are just lecturing people and talking about university achievements as though anyone here gives a shit. maybe you are lost? this is an anonymous imageboard, no one fucking cares about whether or not you went to a top school or how well read you are or whatever prestigious bullshit you feel the need to share. go post on twitter or facebook or whatever if you want people to care about that. you are a colossal faggot. good day
>>43596059Sensible centre-left New Deal Democracy except we have Woke Blackshirts this time
I don't know if anyone could be more left-wing than me. It's that simple for me.
>>43598153Lol, cry more you tredemndous faggot. For the same reason, I am allowed to do what I want. Stop whining. I discussed credentials because they are relevant in this subject matter, you utter tard. I didn't come here just to brag. You're an actual idiot. >>43598126Honestly for this kind of thing, casual learning about exceptional statesmen, Youtube is totally fine. Just youtube Deng Xiaoping, he saved China from that subhuman monkey Mao Zedong. The funny thing is Mao persecuted his technocrats because they were smarter than him and he felt paranoid that they threatened his legitimacy and mythos. He worked under Mao then turned China into state guided capitalism to stop the destruction of the state by violent uneducated subhumans. He was always in danger of being killed by Mao at all times, all of his closest guys were.
>>43596059i have leftist positions around things like healthcare and housing etc. im fine with some immigration, but the whole thing where indians can essentially buy citizenship and then shit up our country annoys me to no living end, so i guess im racist against jeets specifically. i voted for biden, but mostly out of necessity bc trump was/is talking about basically exterminating us, but if the right was less deranged about us id be more open to the right
>>43598126>>43598213Also Youtube Lee Kuan Yew I fucking love that guy. But first, start with Deng. The absolute best of the best in modernity. Thank god for Deng and Zhou Enlai. If they were not alive during Mao's rampage, China wouldn't exist.
I'm too stupid to understand politics but rightoids are the only reasonable and enjoyable people so I guess I might be right-ish
They either functionally or materially have none. They're useless, completely disengaged with actual political processes, or entirely disingenuous and untrustworthy.Ofc i'm just as easy to write off but whatev
>>43596695>nationalism is Statism>Globalism is statism
>>43598122Yeah that's why it's cringeNone of it matters in fact participating in politics only reinforces the shitty state of affairs we're inEveryone wants to think they can change the world and it's just reifying the status quoYou can't scream about G.od not existing all day and not believe in G.od. Atheists believe in G.od, people who don't just don't give a shit. Same for politics. The Left whether it be anarchist socialist or whatever even retarded evil brownreds it just is a psyop
https://voca.ro/1dZcbbnVLknThere's my opinion
>>43598213>>43598237ty i will look into this. i know a little of chinese history around the CCP vs techie antics from the zero covid policy a few years ago. that was interesting to me and only scratched the surface... something good came from this thread after all
>>43596903same xister
>>43596886>goes onto tranny board >gets mad that there are tranniesgo to /pol/ or the site that took this place down a while ago, thats where you find tranny hate instead of trannies
>>43596059(Canadian opinions, ignore)My vote means nothing as I'm one of like 3 trans ppl in a very bougie suburban neighborhood, they always vote Liberal so I tend to vote Rhino (it's like if Vermin Supreme had a whole part to run)The only issue I'm really concerned with right now is the global rise of fascism and disinformation surrounding it. Especially in my home province of Quebec, our cops are restricting our ability to protest laws that EXPLICITLY withholds the human rights of all people who do not speak French. Swat team has red armbands now, they're getting really violent and eager to bust out the tear gas. Also bothers me that canadian security contractors like Gardaworld are getting away with 9 figure staffing deals with ICE.Having now actually taken a few courses on political science and philosophy, I can pretty confidently say that my political preferences have not changed. I've been brainwashed before, but I've always been socially progressive. I believe partisanship rots the brain and the vast majority of both the left and the right are authoritarian scum.Also I want my guns back. Don't let them take your guns.I don't believe in utopia so I've got nothing as far as that "ideal society" BS is concerned. People suck. Politics will always be shit. I don't have the right to speak my native language without risking a fine, so I guess a world where someone outside of my city cares about that? The fact that all eyes are on the states is letting quebec get away with a full fascist restructuring. They're banning hijabs. I know y'all hate brown people, but this law would also ban kippas and crosses.We were promised that 100% of our cops would have bodycams by 2025. I think we're still at less than halfway there. And every 5 feet there's graffiti that says "Officer blah blah raped my sister and dumped her body in the river" "detective something rapes little boys." And our churches have untouched WW2-era murals of mussolini and them.
I'll vote for whoever is more interventionist and will topple/resist the authoritarian regimes in the world (CRINK) along with reaffirming our commitments with allies.
>>43596059Left leaning over all politics, but fascism immigrant politics.
>>43596059people who are hating on my ideas.imagine waking up in the morning next to your chud husband, the birds are chirping, you look outside and see the countryside, no mosques or jeets anywhere to be seen. You put on your tradwife whoahjack dress and go downstairs. you take your free government provided estrogen pill and t blocker. and start making breakfast for your husband, it just consists of slicing raw meat. There are no AGP people left alive, and you look at the picture of the supreme leader up above the dining room table and thank him for acking them all. You eat raw meat and drink raw milk with him and you go to the AFA pagan temple after (its the weekend).volkisch tranny reich
>>43598464how do you feel about the whole MAID situation going on in Canada
As an oldfag who hasn't been here in years, I am shocked how leftist the board here has gotten. Disturbingly so.
>>43598728why is everyone here AGP, was it always like that
>>43598728A whole wave of trannies have their worldview shaped from bluesky and tiktok university and it has irreparably damaged this board and the entire trans reputations
>>43596059i dont really care about politics as it is usually framed. a lot of it is, quite frankly, larping. it is larping because ultimately ideology means nothing when you do not have real collective sovereignty. when you are ruled by epsteinite zionist oligarchs who are immune to the law and bribe western politicians, any debate as to what a just society is becomes meaningless. if you can not prevent the development of such parasitical entities, your political views are broken from the outset. that is the very first basis for how i think about things: sovereignty and collective self-determination. as the accumulation of wealth permits the emergence of such entities, i am broadly anti-capitalist. at the same time, i feel as though modern representational democracies are ran in a nonsensical fashion. the average person should not be capable of voting for the the highest executive head. for one, this is because they do not know anything about politics and are susceptible to choosing candidates that are simply celebrities that can make the greatest noise, as opposed to the most intelligent and competent people for the role. moreover, the citizens of nations can be distributed across massive landmasses which have wildly massive conditions. as such, their opinions for how the whole should be coordinated quickly becomes meaningless on this account. at the same time, completely severing democracy leads to a lack of accountability. the solution to these issues is to have a largely localist form of governance with a fractal voting system. the average person should only be permitted to vote at the level of their workplace, in which they elect a representative. representatives of a municipality come together in order to form a council. this council may then elect a representative to attend a higher level council, and so on. some parallel democratic structures such as guilds may be in place in order to ensure broad representation of various interests and areas of expertise
>>43598833you may have noticed that the base level of voting is at the workplace. this is the first way in which i hold anti-capitalist principles. as i see it, current businesses are all monarchies in which the boss holds no accountability to the worker. this leads to general instability. rather than this, i believe we should have workers cooperatives instead. studies have shown that these are generally more stable than normal businesses, and due to the workers keeping the leader of the cooperative accountable, they tend to be much more responsible to their local communities. a nice thing about having voting start with cooperatives is that it ensures that voters are responsible. if they vote for some celebrity fraud, the entire business will go under in a way that would quickly effect them, so they are incentivized to vote responsibly.beyond the cooperative and looking to higher conciliar levels, their main function is for the coordination between localities that are otherwise self-sufficient. there might also be some wealth redistribution between businesses in order to ensure that one does not become much more powerful than another (this is not to achieve some sort of equality, but simply to ensure collective sovereignty does not get tarnished by briberies). here i take partial influence from distributism
>>43598743Nah. Every year that passed more were AGP though. It was gradual but noticable. AGP always outnumbered the rest by a good bit. >>43598830Yeah makes sense. When I was last here bluesky didn't exist and Elon hadn't bought X yet.
>>43598855of course, as i have already said, politics is a larp, because as things stand, our system is held hostage by an elite of technocrats, zionists, oil barons, and various corporate entities. it is for this reason why i instead believe that the above structure should be built autonomously, without any regard for electoralism for revolutionism. with enough wealth pooled together, various cooperative startups may be formed with the larger political structure stratified on top. the system i have described is much more stable than our current economic system ran by incompetent pedophiles, and would likely outlast it through the various crises. i want to build a cult with an organization structured in the fashion outlined so that trannies who are financially threatened or have been forced into prostitution may be hired by us and further the cause. for more information, see:https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/pisas.htmlof course i have only described the fiscal side of things as i believe that they are the most important baseline before you can get anything concretely started. when it comes to social politics, like i said i am creating a cult, so i lean towards an inclusive theocracy. people will not be forced to convert, but there will be a decentralized form of religious authority that will help guide the political organs. i believe that the true socius is constituted from the bottom up, from shared struggle within a particular locality. it is from there that ethical and spiritual authority should be first cultivated, and such figures may then be integrated into the greater religious body to encourage broader social cohesion to complement economic cohesion>>43596398>strasserwhat is the appeal of strasser? is it just because of b00t or is there something else?
I'm a leftist and like trannies, simple as
>>43598873>what is the appeal of strasser? is it just because of b00t or is there something else?i like the socialist form of natsoc, everyone on this board is trying to deny that it existed
>>43598728ive always been a leftist, i just never bothered expressing it because it wasn't relevant. the board has way more politics bait threads and other garbage plus the hon threads have gotten permanently deleted by the mods. this combined with the shilling of tttt to twitter has done irreversible damage to board culture. the klansfem transbians are also funny as in old board culture people would dunk on them for being walking optics nukes
>>43598870being an actual HSTS is ropefuel
>>43598833Though flawed, capitalism is the only viable economic model. particularly, state guided capitalism. I would say China has the best socioeconomic model currently. Rather than erasing capitalism in totality, you can reform it. Social democracy particularly fails if the society is not homogenous. a migrant wave can create an instant system shock if foreigners commit low trust low honor behaviors. >>43598855these are good things on a micro level but not at scale because it creates labor market shocks, people will retire early then your GDP will stagnate. your currency can also become worthless. If you somehow made a commune or you live among the indigenous for some reason, it's fine, and you can ignore these constraints. >>43598873Eh, I don't agree with fatalistic thinking. We have to live in the here and now and we have to make decisions that impact our daily lives, anon. You should trust technocrats & experts, they have the most reliable data available. How are you funding this cult btw?
>>43598662I have personal experience with that actually. I was 13 when the program was first launched and I immediately started begging all my doctors for it. (My parents were telling me that trans kids didn't exist, while I was being trans and a kid. Dumb story.) They refused to even give me a pamphlet, even at the hospital, said I was ineligible, and that they were shocked and appalled by my line of questioning.I have heard about some veterans being OFFERED MAID when they were in perfectly treatable situations, and that disgusts me. But my grandmother has already decided that she'd like to take herself out when the time comes. I think a lot of people would like to be allowed to have some agency over how their life ends, and I like that they found a way to make suicide less fun and more beaurocratic while still keeping our freedom in tact.It's like ketamine therapy, where on paper I question it's ethics/effectiveness but in practice the only the risk is bad practitioners. Same with any other procedure/practice.I know it's controversial but MAID imho is a big plus. Medical autonomy is always a benefit and im eager to see the older generation go before they get too senile.>>43598743AGP doesn't exist lol. It is the personification of transphobia, the same way that Hysteria was the personification of misogyny. You're using very very outdated terms and frankly they mean nothing to anyone who isn't autistic.
>>43598939i have wanted to be female since the age of like seven or eight, my body is distorting itself and im going insane. I have had mental illness since childhood and nothing ever feels right. People with a sexual fetish will never understand this TAGPD you disgusting perverted spirtiually weimar fetishists
>>43598959agreed. AGP does exist but almost all attractive women are AGP. When you like taking sexy pics of yourself, it's AGP. There is nothing wrong with that. I've observed that trannies that reinforce AGP/HSTS dichotomy are more often than not babytrans hons that are insecure in their identity. I've never seen one extensively on HRT for a very long. They're not always full time either. The attractive trans women I've seen are actually bisexual.
>>43598917i see. personally i think the italians were better on fiscal policy than the nazis overall. i like the collective bargaining with corporate groups and the attempt at nationalizing industries. ultimately both of them should have cancelled their debts and allied with the soviets. the whole lebensraum plan to pay of debts completely blew up in their faces as stalin psychotically mass-collectivized in preparation for world war 2. they also failed to anticipate western europe including britain attacking them too which was a major failure on their part
>>43598939It's that bad now? I met an ex here comically enough who was HSTS. So they weren't entirely rare back then. I left here early 2022 though. >>43598933Interesting. Mods getting heavy handed with removals is a sad thing. I know there were many lefties back then, but there were also a shit load of libertarians around. I enjoyed those talks. Lot of fucking Destiny fans back then too.
>>43598959>AGP doesn't exist lol. It is the personification of transphobia, the same way that Hysteria was the personification of misogyny. You're using very very outdated terms and frankly they mean nothing to anyone who isn't autistic.then why do i see so many obviously AGP people, especially on here. F1nn5ter is probrably the best example of textbook AGP. there are tons of people being groomed on 'cord into being "trans", that is proof of AGP, people are being made to develop that sexual fetish by groomers
>>43599038NTA I'm an oldhead I'm still libertarian. I fucking hate tankies so much, leftism is cancer.
>>43599038they deleted my thread calling all white trans people to become fascists and defend europe and eat the carnivore diet
>>43599069libertarianism is retarded but i can see why a trans person would adopt it
>>43599096libertarianism is an umbrella term that could really mean anything you retarded subhuman Even Vaush is libertarian lolyou think I don't want to pay taxes because you have a contextual understanding of what libertarianism isso to reductively state it's retarded shows you are a mouth breathing imbecile, you don't even know what I'm saying and you cast judgment confidently, like you do in all manner of life, being purposefully ignorant but confidently wrongthat's why your future will always be hard, you lack the IQ to navigate life successfully
>>43599012desu i dont care that much about the 20-40s history, i dont think we should anymore. we need to move on, dugin who is a retard said that anti communism and anti fasicism are fears of the dead ghosts of the pasts or something, i actually agree with him on that. we should all fight against liberalism, sadly a large majority of "leftists" would never ever wish to do that
>>43599131i dont want to have a heated argument about your american piss snake ideology, it means nothing to me. there is a whole ocean seperating me from it. i was just making an observation about how it makes sense for a trans person to want guaranteed freedom. but if you wanna go there look at argentina lol
>>43599139it's sad I'm on your side about leftism and liberals but I feel personal disgust towards you because you are fucking retarded >>43599182Like I said, you make assumptions and project then fight the strawman like a retard. Politics is much more complicated than a label and the inferences you make. I consider social costs and externalities, not freedom in absolutism. You're fucking dumb.
>>43599084you sound so fucking ugly lol, I have the impression that you're a very socially isolated person
>>43599232You are a jew i bet, or a glowniggerEither way some gross thing, go to your bank funded pride celebration where they expose themselves in the streets and be gone!
>>43598940>you can reform ityou need sovereignty for that. china killed plenty of people as well as autocratic rule>a migrant wavethese happen partly because of foreign interventionism destabilizing regions and putting them into debt. aside from that, you have in america big agriculture hiring illegal immigrants for cheap labour that they would never be able to acquire from a natural citizen. btw this is why it was obvious that trump was never going to do anything about illegal immigration, as there are too many financial interests against such a thing, and these people have more power over the government than the general american people. i believe local communities should be the ones first and foremost determining who is allowed to immigrate and settle there, rather than now where it is up to various alien forces and crises>then your GDP will stagnatei do not care about gdp numbers. the goal is to have a sustainable system which leaves people with enough free time to go after spiritual pursuits. i also dont plan on using our own currency either as we would be more of a democratically ran corporation than an official state. ideally the system should evolve to be something like bookchin's municipalism, with some cybernetic planning between the different cooperatives and municipalities. furthermore, individuals are first and foremost responsible to their local communities and their agency is most pronounced in said communities. it is not every person for themselves>You should trust technocrats & experts, they have the most reliable data availablewhy should i trust the decision making of elon musk, peter thiel, the rothschilds, mark zuckerberg, trump, big oil, and various other people that obviously just want to destabilize the economy and cannibalize the west? these are the type of people that are in control of things, and for it we are entering an oil crisis that has been started due to zionist foreign policy and economics geared towards stagflation
>>43599206I dont understand libertarianism in detail and i dont care to, its too ameripilled and barely exists in Europe where i live
>>43599316>>43598940>How are you funding this cult btw?out of pocket, investments, and then from there establish new business to accrue profit. the last step is one of the reasons why cooperatives are important, as i recognize it is impossible to immediately build communism or whatever without sufficient land and resources. this has been why the dichotomy has always been between revolution and electoralism
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>>43599316>why should i trust the decision making of elon musk, peter thiel, the rothschilds, mark zuckerberg, trump, big oil, and various other people that obviously just want to destabilize the economy and cannibalize the west? these are the type of people that are in control of things, and for it we are entering an oil crisis that has been started due to zionist foreign policy and economics geared towards stagflationYou may be conflating the word technocrat with oligarch, but I strongly disagree that any of these people are qualified to be called technocrats. Definitely not Trump. Peter Thiel is the closest but still not, he would not even self describe himself as one I don't think. I agree with everything else you're saying and I generally like you but I'm a consequence vs principled thinker. I'm somewhat indifferent to it all.
>>43599327>>43599345bro we're discussing ideological theory, and you discuss different systems that you want implemented in your countrylibertarianism is not an american concept at all, it's derived from european thought. Why haven't you caught on to the fact that you're stupid yet? Gain some self awareness, NPC.
>>43596059I am a zionist because it's the only state in the middle east that doesn't murder trans people and because some of my close friends are Jewish.I vote for the least bad party, sadly every party sucks.Low taxes and freedom should be desired - as a woman who is trans I am often excluded from healthcare, I am paying all that money to the state while at the same time I am denied any help.I am not fond of muslim immigration due to transphobia.I care about digital freedom, privacy, trans rights, taxes, pollution.I consider myself a leftist.
>>43599139i actually think dugin has quite a few good ideas actually. the eurasian framework is a nice approach for dealing for the multi-ethnic realities of america. rather than a nation state, it makes much more sense to have a civilization state that unites various ethnicities according to a mutual respect, while still respecting the determinateness and relative autonomy of the various cultures. maybe it is still plausible in europe, but on this continent there needs to be a middle ground struck between cultural substantiality and collaboration. we see in china and russia a plurality of recognized ethnicities yet they have for the most part found a way to make it work. liberalism is unable to do this because it is stuck within the individual-society dialectic. his tweets are funny though>sadly a large majority of "leftists" would never ever wish to do thata lot of it just feels like larping. i dont see many of them even wanting to try anything new>>43599379true they are not all technocrats, so i am really just pointing out the sort of people that are in control right now. a lot of them do seem to like either having a technological surveilance state or fragment countries into network states (ik the former is not really a technocracy though the latter sort of is). china is more of an actual technocracy by the strict sense of the word, and i do think having actual experts running things is good provided they do not have major conflicts of interest
i hate modern liberals and all main line "socialist/leftist" parties, but at the same time theyre really the only ones that are protecting transgenders the most...
>>43599480>china is more of an actual technocracy by the strict sense of the word, and i do think having actual experts running things is good provided they do not have major conflicts of interestAbsolutely agreed!>true they are not all technocrats, so i am really just pointing out the sort of people that are in control right now. None are they're just grifters and tech bros, all evil. A technocrat has to be a true expert in the field. Elon is no more than a tech bro selling false hopes of futurism to midwits. Nothing close to a technocrat. He's not an expert, he's just a morally bankrupt heinous loser. Trump But usually when I think of technocrats, I thinking economic technocrats. I think the word technocrat is used as a buzzword and people don't understand the original meaning. But it's meaningless to argue semantics and I'm not going to hold it against you. I don't think any of them are qualified to be technocrats. I think we should call them corrupt oligarchs that engage in crony capitalism. They're tech bros at best. Elon and Sam Altman would never be qualified to be engineers or actual experts in AI. They're startup bros with massively overpriced companies that just yell at their staff to make impossible outcomes happen. I'm very averse to calling these guys technocrats.
>>43596059i'm a secular antiracist feminist socialistborders are a scar upon the earth whose only real purpose is to cultivate ethnic enclaves and economically-precarious labour pools for capitalists to exploit with arbitrage of currency values and regional buying power, propagandise with media narratives to manufacture nationalist and consumer sentiments, and instrumentalise as a military force to conquer and claim natural resources
>>43599058By that logic the alt-right doesn't exist cause it's being spread through discord and not books? Idk why it matters whether they picked it up in college, at the library, on the internet, or at a gay bar.How people find the Bible doesn't matter. Its how they apply it to their lives.If AGP ever existed then we're all AGPs.I know you're shitposting but come on dude. Red flag. Immersion broke. fail RP. No self-respecting trans woman has ever used the word autogynephiliac to describe another trans woman.
>>43596059>What would be the ideal society?we stop harming each other and start making sure everyone has their needs met.
>>43599480Dugins nazbol days were okay but idk what he is on about now
>>43599477My husband's Jewish and we had to cut off his entire family because they literally started bribing me to shut up whenever I brought up Israeli warcrimes. I thought I could tolerate all forms of extremism, but obviously I draw the line at Jews offering me hush money. I wish these were antisemitic jokes. Both of our comments.Seriously, Israel does not care about or defend trans rights. Whatever propaganda you're digesting that tells you that is 100% Israeli made. Remember that they made a group of Ethiopian refugees chemically castrate themselves before even CONSIDERING opening their borders to them. Remember the flour massacre. Remember that they are still lying about October 7th.
>>43599477You should be fucking killed, may hamas kill every kike in Palestine. You love the people destroying our civilisation, the jews drive muslims into Europe by starting endless wars, the day of the rope is coming and the rope shows no mercy
>>43599767Transphobes are not humansTry to stop exploding please...>>43599734You must be extremely obsessed to keep bringing this up.Also downright retarded to defend people who hate you.>Seriously, Israel does not care about or defend trans rightsIt doesn't kill trans people, apparently this is a very high standard in middle east though.I don't care about anything else, every country has skeletons in their closets (and most of them have trans skeletons as well)
>>43599767based
>>43599477You are not even a leftist, simply a race traitor and freak. You hang around with out ethnic enemy and support their disgusting ideology. Jews see us all as subhuman, your “friends” might not but its still there in their subconscious never trust a kike
>>43599820I hope your savage civilization has the end it deserves.Am Yisrael Chai.
>>43599796israel is based for protecting trans rights while having strong immigration laws and racial hegemony
>>43599796I dont care what hamas does to trans people, the IDF kills more trans people than hamas does. Hamas can does what it likes to transsexuals if it comes to power, Palestine is not my country. I simply wish for the liberation of Palestinans and the destruction of the vile jewish state that is genociding the palestinians and has turned our culture degenerate and disgusting. Israel is run by child rapists who sex traffick children from america and Eastern Europe, create porn to pervert western men, spread hatred against whites and wish to create an empire within the middle east. Death to judaism
>>43599870>I dont care what hamas does to trans peopleYou would if you were trans.
>>43599870You sound like an immature young man who's trying to act like he's part of the Third Reich
All this Israel talk, across every board. Nothing changed in half a decade. Fuck I can't wait for the next President so the Israel subject is done. Trump will be the final Israel First president. Palestinians are gonna be in trouble then though. Without having to worry about enraging America, Israel can send them all to Jordan.
>>43596059Unironic progressive neo-liberalPeople complaining that the current system is "fundamentally broken" are fucking retarded, and would instantly kill themselves if they were teleported to any other time period in history, in addition to 99.99% of outcomes where a communist/fascist revolution actually works >>43596256You're the retard, in an ultra right wing economy literally anything that has a want will be provided for by enterprising citizens, that's the whole advantage of capitalist systems, in ultra left wing systems you end up mass famines because the government's inefficient bureaucratic central planning has a much harder time meeting the needs of its citizens.Also what if said "left wing economy" decides that HRT is not actually necessary because gender is a social construct and you should just be happy in your body instead? (A view held by a sizeable number of so called "allies"), we'd all be SOL. Obviously totally free markets have their own issues, many of which can even be observed in America's considerably less-than-free market, but that's another point
>>43599889Im HSTS, i simply dont care what other people do in their countries.and I would rather have liberation for 99+ percent of Palestinians than oppression for 100+
>>43599914also just want to point out that despite being a so called "centrist", I still think the dumbest, most virtue signalling tiktok marxist is a trillion times smarter and morally resolute than this piece of shit scumbag >>43599820>>43599870>>43599944stop larping retard you was calling yourself a twin with a "hrt habit" a few weeks ago
>>43599796Yeah except Turkey and Cyprus both welcome trans people without making them step on active military targets first. Letting trans people live is not the bar. The middle east is fucked, that doesn't mean Israel gets 100 "get out of baby-murder free" cards for each breath a trans person takes.Who tf am I defending? The ethnostate of Israel? Or my husband's pedophilic family? Cause the only kike I don't hate is the one who gives me rimjobs while I fall asleep.And what the fuck do I "keep bringing up"? My previous comments were about MAID and Autogynephilia. Idk how either of those correlate to trans rights in the middle east or the Palestinian genocide.
>>43599899I simply have common sense and dont cuck worship those who have spread blood libel against my people and destroyed our civilisation
>>43599820So there's not a single disconnected jew? Literally all of them, even the babies? It's in their blood? They teach them how to steal from you with their blood? They rape you with their Jewish baby blood? So we have to kill all their babies, right? Psalm 137:9! Right?
>>43599964That wasn’t me
>>43599996You are so fucking dumb it's unreal
>>43599995I never said that, its their culture and religion, never trusting them is a good and healthy precaution to take because its basically all of them. I wish for their expulsion from europe and west asia, not a holocaust. Im sure a few of them are fine but we need to make hard choices for the sake of our volk
>>43599944>Im HSTSYour kind tends to be the first to celebrate about the death of your sisters, I know.>i simply dont care what other people do in their countriesLooks like you do though. Otherwise you wouldn't care about palestinians.>>43599968I am explicitly not including cyprus because it's culturally and practically europe (and trans rights are not great there to be honest).Turkey is factually much worse than israel.>that doesn't mean Israel gets 100 "get out of baby-murder free" cards for each breath a trans person takes.It does, especially if it causes less transphobes.>Who tf am I defending?Transphobic muslims>Cause the only kike I don't hate is the one who gives me rimjobs while I fall asleep.You hate people that are dear to me, you hate your own sisters, you are my enemy.>And what the fuck do I "keep bringing up"?In your family meetings.What they say about husstuss iq is true.>>43599971>my peopleI get the sad suspicion that this doesn't refer to "trans people".
>>43600035>I wish for their expulsion from europe!>they go back to their traditional homeland>noooooooo not like that, I wish their expulsion from europe AND west asia!
>>43600035I think we should take the children from orthodox jews and reducate them in normal families because orthodox jews literally rape their children en masse and suck the blood from their penisies in a ritual
>>43599870also wasnt atomwaffen coopted by feds? what do you think about david myatt?
>>43600057They shouldn’t run a country, israel controls all our politics. We can find some land in africa and build a sort of open air prison reservation situation, the nazis originally proposed this but in a more ridiculous way
>>43600096"we"?
>>43600086Yeah probably they just look cool as fuck, pretty retarded group tho
>>43600108As in goyim, you would probably be hanged
>>43600121I wish for a world without nazi freaks like you :)
>>43600126I wish for a world without shabbos goyim and white genocide but we cant have everything we wish for
>>43600035 expelling them en masse would still be a genocide. Still be a holocaust. Just cause you say "well I guess they can live" doesn't make you a decent person. You're casually describing an entire race of diverse people (who hate eachother btw) as though they are a monolithic force united against you. What kinda kool-aid are you drinking, man?>>43600040I don't have any sisters. I haven't seen my family in years and if you weren't paying attention, I JUST SAID that I cut off my husband's entire family too.Idk what you mean by "at my family meetings" or husstuss. You niggas are incomprehensible these days.My husband is trans btw. I'm exclusively attracted to breedable goth femboys and my current model has giant natural tits and a functional/receptive womb. which is a cool bonus. Also you think I'd marry a jew without first making sure that I could properly puppeteer said jew?>>43600149Yeah white genocide definitely doesn't exist. No worries there.
>troonwaffen1488 in the other thread about Juniper's deathI genuinely think we should figure out a way to cull poor people. Elon & Bill Gates are right. Being stupid almost guarantees you will be an evil person. Stupid people feel powerless in every aspect of life so they impose their problems on other people. Need to find a way to cleanse dysfunctional people. >b-but transThere are many assimilated, high functioning trans women, being trans is not a mental illness. It could be comorbid with other issues, though. I think neutralizing troonwaffen1488 would be morally correct in a just society. This person is not fit for society at all. Just end their suffering quickly with one bullet imo. This isn't a threat, but I won't be sad if I saw her on the news, dead.
>>43596059communist
>>43596059My favorite political philosophers are Evola and Stirner. It makes total sense in my head.
>>43596059I'm a libertarian RWer, but unfortunately I have to vote libtard for troonpolitik self-preservation reasons since miga wants ttd
>>43600266Troonwaffen 1488 is pure evil and should just get euthanized. Being a trans nazi is probably the most heinous thing you could be in society. Why even allow her to live?
>>43600561republicucks are all in on corporate welfare, tariffs and farmer subsidies and are not any more laissez faire than democrats
>>43596059I generally skew to the left and socialism on a lot of issues, but my views can be all over the place. I vote on parties mostly based on sustainability (reducing fossil fuels, plastic, nuclear power) and public transport support (important, as it phases out cars which helps with the former). The housing situation is also really bad in my country right now, so that's important. I think being trans should remain medicalized, but education about it should improve. That isnt something i vote on thought. stealth eurotranny
economically i'm a fan of mixed economiessocially i think otc hrt would be cool and that car dependency is a scourge on americat. mtf
>>43600645capitalists have never wanted the free market. all the big corporations want monopolies, and as they can bribe the govt and have propganda bux they get what they want. this is why libertarianism makes no sense>bbut in true capitalism there would be no monopoliesthis is a cope but even if it wasnt we already have massive megacorporations that dominate various markets and continuing to accrue further assets through private equity. libertarians would unironically need a revolution to get what they want, assuming it wont just collapse under itselfindividualism is also a mental illness. humans are tribal animals. if you saw a bee or an ant act like it is just an individual u would think it is a broken animal
>>43600889>my brain works like that of an ant and this is why you should listen to me
>>43600942we have been tribal animals before we even evolved into humans. collectivism is human nature and individualism is a mental illness that only came into being in the past 500 years
>>43600281Lol bibisi
>>43600592Me and you
>>43600592i accept trans nazis into my cult as long as they agree to work with non-white transgenders towards building trans volksgemeinschaft. sigh.. the time cant come soon enough when we set up farms in rural canada ..
>>43601251Im not even that racist, i just dont like white foids who take bibisi. I can work with the tranjeets and traniggers
you basically have two choices to vote for in american politics.red neocon zogbot who wants you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps while they replace you with immigrants, automate your job, and outsource the factories, all while they demand you send more money to israel and the military industrial complexorblue neoliberal zogbot that hates white people, especially white men and wants to implement some fucked up caste system where whites are at the bottom and handicapped otherkin Chicana african feminist demisexuals are at the top, all in the name of "equity"im 35, i have experienced the lows of both democrat and republican presidents, its shit all the way down.i have really had to sit and think of what i value in life being trapped in this loop of red zog and blue zog, i came to the conclusion i value freedom, what i value is freedom from moral police whether they be woke libtards or evangelical right wingers, or from political or corporate tyrantsso i guess im some sort of anarchist now
>>43601251Please never invite me to your cult ever again if you would tolerate nazis. I will act hostile to you next time you link your website here.
>>43601996as i said before, i regard most politics as larping so why should i take seriously random disgruntled trannies online who are simply misguided? if they can even see the issues with liberalism, it is easier to convince them on things as well. wait i wrote further analysis on this issue elsewhere>the klansfem phenomenon is a result of a growing discontent with the democratic party and the subversivist gender movement. on the first point, it is quite blatant that trans people are just being used as a scapegoat by dems, who are cynical and barely make any positive steps towards the improvements of our lives. at the same time, there is intra-lgbt community tensions, with there being various strains that still have a tendency to purity-spiral over gender and broader woke issues, on the misguided notion that being trans must be "radical" with respect to social norms that have been the concern of feminist, queer theorist, intersectionalist etc orthodoxy. their reaction is simply a reflection of these broader tensions. ultimately, it would be difficult for these groups to really gain any traction as there are too many chuds that are transphobic, and besides i dont think their alignment with national socialism goes to such a deep level; it is more about yielding the signifiers that signal their unwillingness to be wedded to hitherto nominally pro-trans tendencies ..
>>43602177 (cont)>it is not about whether or not their position is "valid". i am simply pointing out the basic dynamics of the situation. 4chan trans culture (even amongst those that are not even chuds) was also a reaction to similar tendencies in liberalism, that is not to say that /tttt/ culture is necessarily good or not>plenty of klansfems also still feel persecuted and like they have crappy lives and they do care about the persecution from republicans, but they do not see much potential in dems to help them in a very substantial manner. there is a distinct element of resentiment here that should be appreciated. you see this for instance in debates they engage with at times about whether trans or black people are "more oppressed". ultimately the trans community feels a lack of real power to do much of anything and this has started to manifest as cannibalism and targeting peripheral issuesif you disagree, please point out where in my analysis is wrong. i generally want to include as many trannies as possible as long as they are not sexpests and they are willing to work towards a shared destiny
>>43602177>>43602206it's not a rational justification, you will lose the plot and the cohesion of your cult because you're not feeling the emotional gravity of how ugly the optics are. perhaps you just intellectualize it. most trans women will not care about the context. we all intellectually understand that people are a product of their environment, but you have a duty to protect your people from harm. this person is maladaptive and dysfunctional. I just disagree. I won't act hostile towards you, but I'm disappointed.
>>43602236maybe you are right and i am being too optimistic, and i understand optics is a problem as it might scare off other potential members off which is why i have avoided associating with any klansfems on twitter. i just feel like at the end of the day actual action will always overshadow internet ideologies that dont get anywhere and that would get people to shift their priorities (like i said earlier, the true socius arises out of a shared struggle). maybe it can't though idk>this person is maladaptive and dysfunctionaltbf many trannies are maladaptive and dysfunctional. we are a very troublesome people to try and organize because we end up distracted by stupid things and fight amongst ourselves over nothing. my vision needs to be stronger than all of these tendencies. i cant afford to think like a normal human being for this reason. i cant even afford to have too much of an ego about these either. still i will meditate on this
>>43602885I appreciate that, you're a good person, you're intellectually honest. I retract my earlier statement, it came from a place of shock.
>>43602957thanks nona for the concerns .. why are cults so hard to run ??
>>43596059nazbol
>>43603025fellow nazbol :0
>>43598728It's bizarre just how much the tourists dominate this board, I never thought it could get this bad in such a short amount of time
>>43598959>leftist nutjob thinks its a good thing to kill people because theyre a "drain" on society
>>43604261i knew things would end up like this with the boymoder meme + making tttt twitter accounts + people on reddit posting screencaps
>>43599084Is carnivore a good idea for trannies? I can't imagine red meat helps with looking feminine as a male
>>43600281>I genuinely think we should figure out a way to cull poor people.TRVKENVKE
>>43604293they arent leftists, their entire ideology is a creation of the jews. they dont want to implement a leftist economy and only call themselves leftists because they love degeneracy and cuck worship jews and niggers. I have respect for actual leftists like marxists, syndicalists, maoists etc NOT anarchists tho
>>43604316yes, lots of protien and fat will give you a nice body but only if you are on estrogen. if you arent then dont
>>43604917I would slit your throat irl you nazi piece of shit I hope you get curb stomped to death freak
>>43605027shut up you degenerate kike, you wont do shit
>>43604933I was always worried even with chemical hormones it wouldn't be enough and eating so much testosterone-boosting food would have a bad effect. Maybe I'm wrong but it makes sense in my head, and I don't think I've ever seen a carnivore tranny.
>>43605269Jews own you. Learn to respect your master, worm.
>>43596347>I'm a taiwanesestopped reading here. i don't consider the opinions of browns.
>>43605386Lmfao! Taiwanese people are not brown, you uneducated meth head retard. They have the same complexion as other east asians and have the highest IQ on the planet. Taiwanese is a nationality. You're just a subhuman to Chinese people.
>>43600266>I don't have any sisters. I haven't seen my family in years and if you weren't paying attention, I JUST SAID that I cut off my husband's entire family too.So you willingly left the trans community, and now you are betraying us, I see.You are our enemy.>My husband is trans btw. I'm exclusively attracted to breedable goth femboys and my current model has giant natural tits and a functional/receptive womb. which is a cool bonus. Also you think I'd marry a jew without first making sure that I could properly puppeteer said jew?crazy and antisemeticyour children will be jewish btw
>>43601251You are working actively against our sisters, don't like about supporting a trans state.
>>43605472lie*>>43605452*Chinse taipei>>43596347*Chinese
>>43605452sounds brown to me
I do wonder what politica outside of the west is like, or if western influence has reached so far it's the same everywhere by now
>>43605491>sounds brown to meFound a pic of you. Only brown people do this lmao. You aren't capable of actual thought, you're less intelligent than AI.
>>43601251I don't hate all browns just for being brown, I only hate the ones that act like animals and insist on ruining my society. I don't mind being around reasonable ones and in manageably thirdie countries.
>>43605481Literally 97% of Taiwanese people are han chinese.
>>43605522I don't know why you're so angry
>>43605540>Act retarded, fling insults>call you retarded, fling insultsB-but you're the mad one!!Are you actually retarded, like were you medically diagnosed?
>>43605481Taiwanese is not an ethnicity you'd say something like indigenous peoples for what you're thinking of I'd imagine, most people understand Taiwanese people are Chinese
>>43605547I never insulted you, I just said you were brown. I've never been diagnosed with anything
>>43605772I have a pale complexion, actually. It's just not accurate. But I explained their skin tone is the same as all east asians and you could not intellectually register that, so I concluded you're a dumb guy. They mostly have paler complexions. It would be accurate to say I'm yellow, not brown black or white.
>>43605838anything that isn't white is brown
>>43605292we will kill you all and destroy your wretched civilisation, just wait and see
>>43605859I wouldn't want to be white. Especially if you think you're an example of an excellent white person lmfao. It's a naive, gullible low IQ slave race that will go extinct, I support jews on ethnic cleansing white people. Even high IQ rich whites want to erase their own kind.
>>43606114and you wonder why we feel the need to subjugate you
>>43596059I care more about philosophy than politics. So I clash with left-wingers and right-wingers equally, but for different reasons. In my experience, the left-wingers usually employ plausible deniability and have arbitrary arguments (like generalising men is fine, but race is not). While the right-wingers tend to be more good-faith, a lot of their arguments tend to be an appeal to nature and use the bible to justify it. Feels like I get nowhere with either of them, though, debates have a phantom effect, which influences onlookers. So debate is not pointless, as some people think.
racist tankie
>>43606226And you wonder I think you need to be subjugated.
I'm an anarchist. I wish to live in a better world where we all come together to make things better. But I read threads like this and it's probably not going to happen. Anarcho communism, regular communism (not fucking dengism or something), whatever really. Something has to better than this. But until a day comes when things change I just suffer under this system rebelling as an individual and encouraging others to do the same regardless of their political beliefs. Smashing a Starbucks window during a protest is a performance. Taking time out of your day to instruct people on how to pirate video games and other types of media effectively improves their shitty lives and puts a small dent into the corporations they would pay money to otherwise. That's the way I see it. Go through life doing subversive things. Encourage others to do the same. Don't always preach about how you're fighting the man or whatever. Just normalize your own behavior.
>>43606114White people are the most sought after, according to dating statistics.
>>43606414Do you genuinely think someone would trade a kilo of flour for your poetry?
>>43606529I don't care. I'm just biding my time. Doing crimes.
>>43606525Just completely wrong. Asian women are the most sought after according to all statistics, even in your own white country. I do not think white people are attractive, intelligent, or good at anything in particular. How you might think of latinos, I think of white people. They're not really the bottom of the world, but they're objectively below me in looks and intelligence. Ever since I was a child I thought white people were incredibly dumb and naive. My entire life I thought leftism was pathetic.
>>43596059I’m an opportunist. I vote for whatever option makes me the most moneyt. Poon
>>43606739No, I meant men. Women aren't people.
>>43606739You seem insufferable but I am too so I'm one to speak. Takes one to know one I guess.
>>43596059Politics are just theater for the ignorant masses while the (((important people))) actually run the show.
>>43606803I'm only stating the facts, stop whining>>43606785Kill yourself, I hope someone caves your skull in one day. Say that in a public place and watch what happens to you.
>>43606831This is the only real truth.
>>43606836I don't think you could make it in Asia.
>>43606850>thinkI doubt it, lol. I don't think you *can* think. >make it in Asiathose opinions do tend to happen when someone deeply stupid projects on a complete stranger. I don't know why white people don't *know* that they're dumb. On this website, all the arguments are dogshit. All the thinking is dogshit. I feel like white people aren't sentient. Any chink can outwit a white in their own language without effort.
>>43606925You say all this then you come here and find yourself slapped in the face by how backwards things really are. You would start to understand that you weren't really some ultra intelligent sociopathic operator. Instead you were just taking advantage of people's kindness when they were disarmed which is something you would struggle to do here without white skin.
>>43607055That's an immense amount of projection for an anonymous forum, anon. You're genuinely embarrassing. I don't even know how to respond when you are so stupid that you attack a strawman of who you think I am and expect me to respond seriously. Whites are not kind on average, I'm much kinder than them, but I have no reason to be civil with uncivilized beasts. They're a very emotionally bankrupt race because their IQ is so low, they're so docile and gullible, they fall for emotional rhetoric very easily, become radical, then get depressed. They're just the least wise race on the planet. Black and brown people may have lower IQ but they understand common sense and don't seek their own emotional self-destruction. I don't respect whites. >you were just taking advantage of people's kindnessYou mean I earned my socioeconomic status by being superior to you, while you sit in your room all day doing absolutely nothing and your parents provide for you. Asians have a sense of honor, unlike you. Whites are incredibly lazy and just coast by in life. A smart white is an exception, a smart asian is the norm. Whites don't value education at all, it's sad. In grad school I didn't enjoy dealing with non asians.
if you are anything but a commie nowadays you are cattleand i mean real commie, not like some shitty maoist stalinist larpoid who wants to do fascism but woke
>>43607145You think you're a very important person. You think that socioeconomic status represents self worth. If it did you wouldn't need to constantly bring it up. If money and status and whatever academic achievements brought you happiness you wouldn't be spending your time arguing with me on the most miserable website on the internet that isn't called Bluesky. You don't understand much. That's why you will accomplish very little. You think I live with my parents. I actually live in Asia surrounded by Asians never hearing about petty white people bullshit, only the petty bullshit of the people that surround me. It's different, but it's the same. From the trailer park, to rural nowheresville, to Hawaii, to the ghetto where everyone else was black and I was white, to rural nowheresville Asian edition with lots of long stays in fancy condos... You can say I've experienced my fair share of diversity. This means that if I strike up a conversation with a non-white barista at the Starbucks nearest to the place where you spend the majority of your day I will be able to relate to her as a human being better than you can. Some of your friends might like me better than they like you too. But if the topic of where I actually came from ever came up they might think I was lying.
>>43607315No, it's genuinely just fun to argue and it's good practice. All of what you said was nonsensical and irrelevant. I don't even care about you on a personal level. I'm just here to beat the points. >You think you're a very important person.>You think that socioeconomic status represents self worth.I brought this up because you implied that I'm "taking advantage of people's kindness" so I inferred that you think asian migration is some kind of charity when asians objectively provide superior human capital to all races. Is that the case? That was my interpretation. I don't think you're a very smart person, you can't keep track of what's going on in the conversation. You insult people, then get frustrated when they disprove your projection, then punish them for proving you wrong. You also acted hostile and act surprised when I do. You just have a low level of sentience. The reality is, if I'm understanding you correctly, your residency in Asia is actually the charity. You don't articulate yourself well. You type like you're just sending me a really ignorant stream of consciousness straight from your head. You're just shooting words at me. You also project way too much, you have a bad read of people in general and your takes are just incredibly dumb. You're reaching too much, anon. Who gave you the confidence to feel comfortable sharing your ideas? I think you should stop thinking, it's not working well for you. What a retarded tirade you sent to me, it looks schizophrenic to me.
>>43606836You come across as jealous of white people. A "sour grapes" situation.
>>43607467Not at all, the initial convo started with hostility towards me and I returned the fire. I think you're a stupid person for thinking it's wrong for me to retaliate. Bullies are often shocked when they get bullied back. I'm not jealous of whites, in the same way "you guys" on 4chan disparage black people. It's not jealousy, there are profound issues in your culture(s). Asians are not perfect, but they're not midwits like you.
>>43607467Btw when I said kill yourself to her/him it's not about race, it's annoyance at his/her/whatever misogyny. They should actually kill themselves.
>>43607456Well this is 4chan not a serious debate. We're not being simulcasted on all the major networks. We're lucky if a single other person gives a shit. I think this has already run it's course.I'll just leave you with this. Every race has shitty humans, including yours. I'll bet we could find some in your family tree. You can damn sure find them in mine! My cousin is locked up for murder. That's just scratching the surface. Instead of doing /pol/ tier race science evaluate what's in front of you on a case by case basis, not a racist basis.Money is worthless if you're just going to live the rest of your life like a cockroach, rarely venturing far beyond your nest. If you worked as a secretary in an office your life wouldn't be that much different. I've been everywhere and nowhere. Sometimes for work. Sometimes just because I got bored and decided to wander around. Go talk to some more people and stop being so goddamned stuck up. I don't care what color they are. Go to Asia and chat up the people that are driving you around. Find out what their lives are like. Contrast it with yours. Put it all in perspective.
>>43604293So the decriminalization/normalization of suicide is the same as committing mass murder? The fuck are you on about.You're the only person calling seniors a "drain" on society. I work in hospice, retard. My concern for their senility lies solely with their own comfort, autonomy, and quality of life. Most people who have watched a mind decay would rather die than experience it themselves. I have never heard a senior complain about MAID, never seen a protest about it, and the vast majority of articles against it are American. Probably because everyone with any REAL experience with it IMMEDIATELY sees its benefit.I think it's cool that there's now a way to end your life that doesnt risk you or your family going to jail. I think it's cool that I have the freedom to choose when I die. I think it's sad that your brain works the way it does.
>>43596059mandatory estrogen yada yada...https://discord.gg/gejUmDBzMG
>>43607559> Every race has shitty humans, including yours.This is such an empty platitude that everyone understands. Once again, stop thinking, it's not working well for you.>goddamned stuck upI'm not stuck up lol. You acted like a dickhead and I acted like a dick to you in return. Whites don't have enough sentience to notice when they're rude and they act like a victim when they get rude treatment in return. It's just so.. self-centered. Stop being such a whiney victim. If you're courteous to me, I'll be courteous to you. I recommend thinking more before sharing your opinions. Have a nice day, anon.
I tried to step out onto the balcony of this condo but someone outside is playing Chris Brown really loud. That ruined my mood. I wish Chris Brown would just die. But that would probably make people play his songs more which is a bad outcome. But at least his woman beating ass wouldn't see a penny from any of it.
>>43596059>what parties you vote forIn the US, democrat, in Canada, NDP.>where you disagree with said partiesI don't like how they're liberals in the economic sense. I think socialism is where we should be heading and then eventually, communism.>where do you agree with said partiesI'm pretty pro-LGBT+, pro-immigrant, and stuff like that.>What are some (political) issues that matter to you?trans rights and a transition away from capitalism>Are you generally left or right wing?left wing>Did you see an evolution in your political orientation?I used to be a libertarian, with the caveat that I thought large corporations are a defacto part of the government, so they should be made to be small, as I thought small government was better.>What would be the ideal society?Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
>>43596174We have the former and it prevents the latter, you’re just a retard
what I don't understand is why thirdies are always so cripplingly insecure
>>43607882>We
>>43605472>You are working actively against our sisterswhy?>don't like about supporting a trans statewhere did i say that? >>43599316> the goal is to have a sustainable system which leaves people with enough free time to go after spiritual pursuits. i also dont plan on using our own currency either as we would be more of a democratically ran corporation than an official state. ideally the system should evolve to be something like bookchin's municipalism, with some cybernetic planning between the different cooperatives and municipalities
>kill all the niggers and kikes 1488Unfortunately, aside from some niche little enclaves of like-minded individuals there's zero widespread support in the far right for people like me. It's been wholly demoralizing to hate the left but they're the only ones who seem to, at least on the surface, sort of want to leave us alone.I don't even know where I belong anymore and frankly this shit sucks. I want a tranny supporting freedom party that isn't the Lolbert Party itself.
>>43598873>>43610329oh yeah ive also written like 30k words on what i plan to do with trans people and some of the underlying social and ontological logic. maybe my plans are not going to work out, but i am not being disingenuous >https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/blog/posts/2025-11-04-On-The-Transgender-Question.html>https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/aspcte.html
>>43610410The amount of cognitive dissonance you lil shitbag nazi chuds have never ceases to amaze me. I cant wait for the day that one of your own friend beats you to death in the street like the dog you are
Politics is a scam. It's all pageantry. It doesn't matter who you vote for, who conquers who. It's always just a different master wearing the crown.I would rather govern my own life, I will control my own destiny. I make my own rules, set my own guidelines. I don't need some idiot in an ivory tower tell me how I should spend my life.
>>43605452are you a bottom because you have a little brown chink penis and can't top?
Stuck in Texas. I’ll vote for blue almost no matter who once it comes down to it. But before for there I like this talarico guy hope he can change some minds in Texas. Leftism not liberal. Mostly humanitarianism. healthcare is a human right. So is food. Maybe get a better passenger rail for America all drugs should be legal. Addiction is as much a psychological problem as medical problem. Or smt.
>what parties you vote foras an American I don't vote unless there's something unambiguously good and I only vote in local ballots and primaries >Where you disagree with or agreeI tend to vote democrat, socialist, or green but there's no party that I would endorse. when I agree with a policy in theory, it usually comes with other policies or justification that I can't agree with. For instance gun control, I don't think it's justified and it is the democrats' party line in 90% of cases. the very few candidates that are pro gun or at least lenient on them claim shootings are a result of mental health crisis.. this is not true, mass shooters are 90% of the time males who were rewarded for dehumanizing others, particularly women. As a mentally ill person I find the rhetoric is dangerous because it villifies innocents and is victim blaming.>What are some issues that matter to youAbortion and bodily autonomy, freedom of expression, healthcare, privacy, ecology, economics>Left or right wingfar left but there's aspects of leftism, especially online, that make me uncomfortable. I dislike porn and think I would have relatively conservative social values if I wasn't a lesbian.>Do you see an evolution in your orientationI was a teenage lib and read hobbes, locke, the others as well as the modern libs like gladwell, and I believed in the social contract. As I got older I edged towards more libertarian values especially as the Snowden leaks occurred during this time. My faith in liberalism, humanism, and rationalism broke after I was familiarized with anarchism and especially Robert Anton Wilson. I was also more acquainted with Marxist ideas and read society of the spectacle, and anarchist ideas via Emma Goldman. I was into late 20th century philosophy for a while but grew out of that phase too. I went from liberal -> libertarian -> ancom -> green anarchonihilist -> accelerationist lesbian separatist -> anarchist without adjectives, where I am now.
I'm genuinely curious as to why there are lgbt people who embrace the far right's refusal to understand political ideas and experiences at face value. I'm not asking you to support everything your black neighbor does, but rather why it's difficult to greet them with some compassion and understanding as you might say, a homosexual or a transperson who rejects straight society and culture. I'm also very curious what the kind of third positionism that entails as a form of meaningful action about the problems (which are what exactly?) when it seems so deeply alienated from the collectivism of more mainstream authoritarian leftism, and its activities.>>43610452I've been reading about your ideas since I first encountered them a few months ago and they're probably some of the most indecipherable stuff I've read, they're worse than even bourdieu in that regard. This isn't because they're especially dense but rather because they're very disorganized. I tried to read your piece on trannies and can't make heads or tails of it, there are points when you circle around to sensible conclusions on certain hot button topics but if the philo-mystical stuff you get into has anything to do with it, its non obvious from the text and would probably be better off separated out into different essays.I am curious about a few things, specifically what you consider the nature of social logic to be and the specific mechanics of how this arises from your philosophical framework. As well as what questions that framework answers that you felt weren't satisfiably covered elsewhere.>>43614163>Better passenger rail>All drugs should be legalThis, I forgot to get into this in my post but these are my top political interests as well. I think addiction isn't a super useful category of experience and the best way to help people who use drugs is break it up into the specific kinds of roles played by drugs in their lives.
>>43596059Generally left/socialist-esque. I was big into communist circles when I was younger, switching between Marxist-Leninist and anarchist ones. I still vaguely agree with socialism, and lean on the libertarian side, but I matured enough to see how shitty MLs are and how naive anarchists are, as well as anyone else who thinks that they're organizing any meaningful revolutionary action against the first world. So then, I guess in practice I'm something like a social democrat. I have a lot of disdain for most Democrat politicians, apart from people like Mamdani and Bernie, but I still vote for them. While I understand that voting isn't as meaningful as normies think it is, I still get annoyed with people who don't vote out of principle. Obviously we wouldn't be any sorta leftist utopia, but things would be considerably better if Al Gore won in 2000, or if Trump lost in 2016. That's the thing that really annoys me about a lot of leftists today, the stubbornness and lack of pragmatism/realism. I'm not active in any online political circles, I don't watch Hasan or whoever else is popular in those circles right now, though I did watch people like Contrapoints and Philosophy Tube when I was younger (talking, like, 17-21).
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I'm far left on social issues and I don't care about the economy because it's boring and I don't get it
In contempary american english my politics can only be described as accelerationist clown world. My hitlers are in the tomb of the unknown soldiers, theyre the 100% real americans theyre the real "normies" AND theyre totally genocided and mutilated, piles of goo and guts. If youve noticed normie americans theyre OBSESSED with genocide, mutilation, and their ideologies and just lives in general render them into goo and guts, literally and figuratively. This is by design. If youre familiar with "meme warfare" then id hate to be the first to tell you, its actually caused a Linguistic form of AIDS, which has crippled most of american society, making them slaves to the language, contempary american english.Which is alive btw. Its like zog on crack. Itd been slicing up guys like tucker carlson they think its a demon lmfao
>>43598662>how do you feel about the whole MAID situation going on in Canadaonly reason im not going to canada
>>43615178i will assume since you have read my stuff you already understand the terms i will be using so i can just lay stuff out>the nature of social logicthe typical queer theoretic view of gender essentially views gender as an interplay between performance and subjection. this it largely inherits from feminism, and so its politics leans into the freeing up of performance contra the tendencies of subjection. this leads to a subversivist politics. while the performative understanding of gender is more rigorous than some sort of gender essentialism, it normatively falls short when it comes to providing a normative justification for why trans people should be able to seek "gender affirming" care and why such care should be funded. if it is simply a vapid personal fancy, then spending thousands of dollars in order to risk one's life on the operating table becomes ridiculous. beyond the side of normative justification, there is also the problem that the performance view thinks about things in an immediate way. the transvestite might as well be the same as the transsexual, they are all under one big umbrella. this discounts the fact that transsexuality is not simply an immediate presentation of particular signifiers, it is a time-extended process with extensive material presuppositions. it is better to view sex transition as a project rather than a mere performance. as such, i am inclined to suspend the thinking of things in terms of gender at all. when we take a step back, it becomes clear that there are a plurality of cultural logics in the past for how transsexuality was justified and reproduced. when liberals point to "third genders" and other phenomenon in other cultures, they also ignore the surrounding cosmology wherein such a gender was intelligible in the first place. the liberal's framework may then not be in fact the ideal one for defending transsexual existent, and indeed there are largely hidden tendencies within liberalism that render it hostile
>>43617246this takes us to janice raymond, who as a feminist, ultimately operates within largely the same paradigm as the queer theorist. she discovers a basic tension to be found within subversivist queer and feminist politics with respect to transsexual existence: the binary transsexual appears at times to affirm the gender binary as much as they in some respects transgress it. worse, this affirmation comes in the form of surgeries that may be manifestly dangerous and damaging of the "integrity" of the organism. the ethic of integrity is raymond's key innovation, or rather, discovery. here, the problem latent in the normative force of queer theory for transsexuals becomes an active argument against our existence. if gender is just a performance, what sense does it make to mutilate ourselves just to fit within a particular subjection?the ethics of integrity also takes us to the basic logic of the liberal state. here i reference agamben quite a bit. with the concept of human rights, a basic innovation of liberalism, there is a universal duty towards the upholding of the life and integrity of every human being. this is a right that is simply based upon the bare existence of the human organism, zoe. it is indifferent and at times even hostile to the qualified life, the way of life, bios, of the person. we see then that raymond working primarily with this conception of right. but of course right means absolutely nothing without some of force to ensure it. the state has taken on its role to uphold this rights, leading towards the development of modern biopolitics. it is not an accident that raymond was an advisor for raegan's administration with respect to healthcare policies for transsexuals, and it is also not an accident that you see with the current administration the entertaining of institutionalization and detransition camps on the pretext of "health". it perfectly falls within the spectrum of "human rights", sickeningly so
>>43617267if we are to move forward, it may hence be fruitful to look for an alternative paradigm, an alternative understanding of transsexual existence that falls outside of the current debates between subversivism and medicalization. is it possible to develop a new weltanschauung, a new cosmology that makes sense of transsexual existence? this is where i bring in some of the mythological ideas of the hidweh project and such to provide perhaps a beginning direction. i tried to bring in a lot of different points of view and such in order to provide the reader with fertile soil in which to make their own developments. in that regard, the writing is a sort of machine>I'm also very curious what the kind of third positionism that entails as a form of meaningful action about the problemsif we look at the most prominent third positionist tendencies in history, they seemed to largely come about through non-revolutionary means and in response to times of crisis or significant decay. i think it develops far more naturally than socialism in first world countries. moreover, climate refugees would probably make racism even more prominent than it is already (look already at what the refugee crisis has caused politically, and realize it is only going to get worse).. with that said though, i think with the progress of financialization, mass-surveilance, drone technology, and the collapse of the ussr, the future will probably go down a more techno-feudalist, neo-reactionary direction
>>43617371this provides further motivation for my own politics>[...] the point on technocrats deserves expanding. we see with the government spending and tax cuts, combined with the mass layoffs of federal workers, the commitment towards gutting the power of the federal government. one of the groups targeted by such layoffs were the fbi. this is likely part of the attempt to privatize national security and give it to the hands of palantir and other tech companies. as a result of this movement, the federal government is weaker than ever before in its capacity to engage in special operations. if there was a time to build an entrenched position, the time would be now. aside from this, the erosion of the federal government is also a sign of neo-reaction now rising towards state ideology. the ideal many of these technocrats are moving towards is "patchwork", wherein there would be multiple relatively autonomous zones that would experiment with their own forms of governance. the federal government is meant to give way to "freedom cities", "network states", etc. i believe this is an instance of imperialism being turned inward, with these imperialist nations mounting towards self-colonization. there has been a serious lack of appreciation of this tendency on the left in any actionable capacity. if the western countries are really moving towards "patchwork", why is it not possible to have a socialist form of this? while these corporations have the capital, the labour does not strictly belong to them. there is, i believe, untapped potential in the prospect of pursuing "exit". by this i do not mean the usual anarchist lifestylism which simply attempts a small-scale secessionist strategy. rather, i am talking about something more coordinated. i am not afraid of some degree of centralization as long as the relation between the local and the global is sufficiently mediated. i hence personally lean more towards a council communist orientation
>>43596059I don't vote. Not a single politician advocates for my positions.
